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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    @Dp101 what's the meta on this situation? It seems too convenient for it to be Town-only action, but OK.

    Let's say Cuth and GH are legit.
    Just outlined it, virtually no chance that GH is scum/Pizza was turned. Why do you clear Cuth? I thought we were still in the position of not understanding what happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    Just outlined it, virtually no chance that GH is scum/Pizza was turned. Why do you clear Cuth? I thought we were still in the position of not understanding what happened?
    The question wasn't of Pizza 'turning', but of scum saving GH's skin by deploying this move in the most apparently pro-town way possible. This power doesn't have to be pro-town in general, so that's where the meta or flavor comes in.

    Cuth was very towny, I already considered him that way. It was GH whom I was provisionally adding to the category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Jesus Christ, a log (or whatever)?

    Cuth, what do you have to do with this?
    nothing whatsoever

    other than apologize to pizza

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    Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.
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    Destroy Manasi with fire, destroy BSmith with fire, destroy novice with fire.

    Any order.
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    I take back what I said about taking back what I said about Bsmith being lazy.

    He's just a wolf.

    Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.

    Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:

    Novice: Normal
    Novice: dip dip dip
    Novice: ain't got much to say

    That's wolfy.
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    Gonna have to reiterate why you don't lynch about 10 other people today and please listen to me this time.

    Some of you folks, I <3 u, but you're just not getting it.
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    Askthepizzaguy- Because I'm never a wolf and scums lynched me.
    autolycus- If Novice is scum, this slot is likely a townie, and he's a shitty low-info lynch regardless. Lynch for partner analysis, not lurker punishment.
    Csargo- Because he's town.
    Cuthillius- Because he's town.
    Dp101- Because he's been trending up but he's still not lock.
    El Barto- Maybe he shouldn't be this high. But his slot looks astounding if my scums are correct.
    GeneralHankerchief- if he doesn't die by final 3/4 lynch here. Not until, for mechanical reasons.
    Logic- Because he tried to help me lynch novice. Plus he's way more pure than everyone below this line.
    Montmorency- I almost have an actual town read on this guy. That's astounding.
    Winston Hughes- Has townie thoughts I can quote for you. He's good, otherwise he'd be higher.
    Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.

    I can go in-depth on most of these, but I already did. If you need a refresher ping me and I'll go find it for you, but if I post info in wall form it's not gonna be read apparently.


    You only ever lynch below this line today:

    Fredwood- starting tomorrow he can be considered again if and only if novice was town. If novice is scum, don't lynch here until super late game.

    If someone mechanically clears themselves in my wolf pile, think about him but I dunno too many town indicators.

    really only mentioning him because of the 4 wolf probs.

    ........

    long way down.

    .......

    novice<----still my top scumbag and he always dies this game barring a miracle, but you need to examine these two
    BSmith<----This one
    Manasi<----This one

    If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three.

    So start preparing for such a possibility.

    Tinfoils on my town core welcome, votes not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthillius View Post
    nothing whatsoever

    other than apologize to pizza
    Kill wolfs don't apologize

    You have my permission to disagree with me on my suspects.


    Separate thought:


    I'm also going to take a back seat this round except for giving those reads and explaining them.

    You guys have work to do and follow-the-virtualmason is not good. You must lead today and make pushes.

    I don't even want people to talk to me. Nobody talk to me, especially if I suspect you. Your chance to talk to me was yesterday, you don't have permission anymore.

    If I suspect you and you're town, you have work to do and you need to start finding wolves and townies properly.

    It's up to you to clear yourself. I'm neither your judge jury nor executioner anymore, you are. You decide if this game is where you town it up or not.
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    I mean, you can ask me questions and stuff but my presence is a distraction. I'm not trying to be a dick and go "hurr hurr I'm too good to be spoken to"

    Pretend I am still dead, is what I'm saying. It's good for the game.

    It's bad when the discussion is follow the cop or follow the mason, neither of which are role claims, just analogies.

    Town solves the game by suspects talking, not non-suspects.

    That is all from me for now.

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    Ok this comment I wanna respond to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dp101 View Post
    Also if I was scum I'd be tilted/10 at this turn of events.
    Gonna assume a strange setup mechanically

    Given: no role reveals on death, just alignment

    Given also: Me

    Zack has lots of hosting experience scums have something worth this kind of headache for balance.
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    I am re-reading the whole.danged.game one.more.time, feeling like this and every single townie should as well:














    Will post everything I find before end of round.
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    Pizza, I would strongly recommend not holding anything back between now and EOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    Pizza, I would strongly recommend not holding anything back between now and EOD.
    Order of operations.

    Everyone else posts their thoughts/reads/analysis

    Then I do.

    Follow the clear is bad for analysis and bad for the game.

    My wording above is strong and maybe misleading, but people absolutely need to be able to have space, clear themselves if that's at all possible when they're in such a bad position suspected by a known townie, because if those suspicions are wrong it's a free round.

    Suspects and non-clear townies alike need freedom. Otherwise it becomes capo-y, and you know what I'm getting at. That's not freedom and it's bad for fun and the game itself.

    Don't worry, my thoughts will be visible. But this is the tango where I don't lead.
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    promise even if I'm not talking I'm still working in the background and will speak before eod.

    No worries.

    Now I must vanish, taken up too much thread presence as it is.
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    If scum day vig takes me out my leans as of n2 were posted at start of round anyway. So I'm not worried.

    Just looking to update/reverse/amend and look at my townies carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthillius View Post
    csargo

    this is town

    fite me if you think this is ever not town
    Yeah, i thought Dp101's post EoD was good, I feel better about him currently.
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    Askthepizzaguy - super town duh
    autolycus - meh
    BSmith - scummy
    Csargo - super town
    Cuthillius - slight town
    Dp101 - kinda town
    El Barto - gutread kinda scummy?
    Fredwood - null/slight town
    GeneralHankerchief - returned pizza, prolly town
    Logic - kinda scummy
    Manasi - scummy
    Montmorency - null/kinda town
    novice - scummy
    Sooh - kinda town
    Winston Hughes - town

    These are my vague thoughts before I have to go to work. GH/Barto are up in the air imo, I don't feel great about those. Logic/BSmith also sort of idk, need to look at Logic's iso again. BSmith is meh.
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    So a temporary tree stump is a log?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    So a temporary tree stump is a log?
    Too much philosophizing for my blood, I'm out.

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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.
    I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.

    I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.
    And if not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:

    Novice: Normal
    Novice: dip dip dip
    Novice: ain't got much to say

    That's wolfy.
    So now my day one was normal? Ever heard of confirmation bias?

    I can't compete with your frenzy, Pizza. And frankly, being tunneled by a dead wrong townie (literally) with superior debating skills does not help.

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    I'll offer some observations at my own pace later.

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    I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:

    Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.

    I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:

    Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
    Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.

    I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.
    Just like every other day...
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    Just like every other day...
    Tunnel of death.

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    I figured I would do 2 easy ISOs, since I have limited time:

    The ISO of Bsmith is rather quick: he has 5 posts total. I understand leaving over the weekend and taking some time to get caught up, but here is everything he has to say, with two relevant posts from Csargo in the middle.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSmith View Post
    Random Gods tell me to vote: Sooh though I am tempted to vote for one of the no lynchers.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSmith View Post
    Yeah. Sorry about lurking today. I'm on vacation through this weekend so things are a little off. That and I am never that talkative let alone on D1 when there really isn't much solid to go on other than tone and meta analysis, which absent gross incompetence usually isn't indicative. Most of my time is just going to keeping up. But at least the noise ratio is lower this game than other recent D1s. Don't expect much from me the next couple of days.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSmith View Post
    I've been in the car the past two days and have a ton of catching up to do. Can anyone give me the Cliff's Notes version of D2 so far?
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    Cuth, Dp going after pizza. Pizza going after novice with a side of Logic. idk what else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    Also, GH in the game now.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSmith View Post
    Thanks Caargo. Trying to catch up but afternoon is filled with unpacking, etc. I will get a vote in before EoD.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSmith View Post
    Mostly caught up, I'll admit I skimmed a lot so some of the finer nuance may be lost on me. I'm going to go with vote: pizza here. I frankly find Cuth's logic and counter to pizza's push much more convincing and the fact that pizza has been ignoring it tips the scales for me.
    D1 is just a random vote with an explanation of why he will be gone. Not indicative of alignment.

    D2 he reiterates his absence, thanks Csargo for a summary, and then votes Pizza after believing Cuthillius over Pizza.

    Overall, I give Bsmith a null, with a slight wolf lean. I don't think his little bit implicates anyone else, but I find it unlikely that he would talk to his teammates with only 5 posts, so if Bsmith is a wolf, I give Cuth and Csargo slightly better town leans.

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    Multicultural? We are a multi-species community, not merely a multicultural community. You must be XCOM :P !

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    I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:

    Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.

    I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:

    Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
    Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.

    Be back for a little bit in about four hours.
    Now auto I don't get, but it's probably because he has so little to say. Why is he voting Dp101? I don't think DP is by any means cleared, but if auto is caught up as he claims, he should know that people are likely to take this day to vote for either Manasi or novice, so why start out off-wagon?
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