XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Manasi]

I rly need a post votecount button.

[Csargo]

As he admitted with his full-claim just now, he was putting on something of a show, and I think it bled over into his serious townie work. He looked overly interested in the environment and his own presentation, which isn't exactly anti-town - I'm guilty of it right now as well - but it contrasts with ingenuity and "pureness", something people have also have faulted me with today.

Yeah, okay. I missed his claim post initially. How are you so good Monty? omg.

[Csargo]

I rly need a post votecount button.

4 novice
4 pizza
3 Manasi

iirc. Don't worry, I won't let you down. I'll save you promise.

[Csargo]

Actually, it might be 4-3-3.

[Manasi]

4 novice
4 pizza
3 Manasi

iirc. Don't worry, I won't let you down. I'll save you promise.

I don't like either of the other wagons though.


Wsfahuifqhweg.

[Csargo]

No, they're not particularly great. novice probably the best out of the three imo.

[Montmorency]

Actually, it might be 4-3-3.

Dude.

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4 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, Barto)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)

2 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101)

1 Sooh (Manasi)
1 GH (Csargo)
1 Csargo (GH)

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Not Voting: BSmith, crimson_snow, Fredwood

Not Posting: autolycus

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And CSnow is voting Champ.

[Montmorency]

Oh yes, 4-3-3 with Bsmith's vote after my tally, I missed that.

[Cuthillius]

I think Pizza is town, I think Novice is town, I think Cuth is town, I think CSargo is town, I think Fred is town, I think Sooh is town.

Winston and DP are the lightest of town reads.

Champ
Manasai
El Barto
Autolycus
BSmith
Logic
Montmorency

That's my PoE, with some obvious pairs not knowingly aligned in there.

Vote: Champ in spirit, but not comfortable placing a real vote without having fully caught up.

Won't be around rest of day, glglgl.

see

i kinda like this

and i kinda think this COULD be the case

but it just seems

too easy

those are the low posters, and more to the point the low-impact posters

i don't think this is that sort of game

[Cuthillius]

No, they're not particularly great. novice probably the best out of the three imo.

while i'm addressing your bit, do you want to talk to me about my case on novicetown

convince me i'm wrong?

[Cuthillius]

that said a champ/generalhankerchief lynch would be my second choice in an ideal world

[Csargo]

while i'm addressing your bit, do you want to talk to me about my case on novicetown

convince me i'm wrong?

Yeah, I'll go back and find it.

Oh yes, 4-3-3 with Bsmith's vote after my tally, I missed that.

:P

[Cuthillius]

ok

so i just grabbed some posts from a random page, 9 in this case

first off

Just reading the room since I had dinner and a nap, the climax of this day was my pushing Jowy and mentioning fredwood.

Neither one of them handled that push well.

Then, after I was gone, look at their behavior. You all let them go, and the tension all vanished.

Neither one of them did anything at all, really. Jowy's back on low-hanging fruit that won't fight back, and Freddo didn't do anything. Literally.

confirmed town/very likely town

focusing game on potential mislynches

on low-hanging fruit that won't fight back, as it were

In any case, time is basically up for a lot of people this round.

Sooh and I are not going to be around I'd imagine, just due to where we live on the earth.

A lot of people have already peaced out for the round, and many of them were my suspects, and those people looked super comfortable with the tally.

I think this is a mislynch or non-scum lynch in progress, just by reading the room.

I think those of us who are here need to throw our weight around and push a scum now.

If you're not following me then I need a scummy candidate I can lynch. And most of the folks with votes ain't cutting it.

"the people who are here, which include me, but not a bunch of my suspects

well, i thought my suspects looked comfortable with where votes where, so everyone here needs to cfd"

editor's note: this is cow feces

pulling up different mislynches

Csargo I'd lynch Jowy, Fredwood, Novice, and very few other people.

I gotta go. What's the call?

still looking at >confirmed town, probably town, probably town, ???

he's literally focusing the game

and i'm not saying that that'd never happen as town

just in this case IT IS ON TOWN

that is SOMETHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT

he is giving out a level of confidence that is THIS BIG and pushing town, and focusing on people who are super towny, in particular people who aren't around, as he admitted himself, going into eod

this is not the towniest approach i've ever seen, but i don't know about you

Monty, you want to lynch an actual scumbag, one that would have been fine picking you off today, lynch Jowy.

You want to stop tinfoiling me? If I lynch a scum day one, you can call it bussing tomorrow. But a dead scum will still have happened.

Lynch me and I flip townie, and you'll never push Jowy because I've read the room and no one's paying attention.

important context: jowy was town

so here we have pizza offering two choices

either lynch scum and call it bussing

or lynch pizza and he's town and jowyscum will survive until endgame and ??nobody is paying attention??

first off, there are a couple of false claims in there, in particular that jowy was either scummy or actually scum, and that nobody was paying attention

in this case, there were several people actively trying not to lynch jowy, and being in the thread and trying to solve

this is unfounded

in addition, he never offers the option of jowy potentially being town

again, he doesn't want attention to go there

again, that could happen as town

again, it's a strange juxtaposition of confidence levels

either he's confident about his thoughts which are bad, so much so that he deliberately spends all his effort focusing everything on this small pool of towny people

or he's scum

And that's it.

It's 3am and I have school in a few hours.

I put in a monster day one and all my reads and suspicions are posted. There's also night chat, so you can ask me stuff before day 2 even happens.

But that's all I can do.

You remaining folks that need to have every little thing wrapped up in a bow aren't going to get it. Make a gutsy call.

Good night.

and now he calls it a gutsy call, rather than obviously lynching the obvious scum

he says look at the effort i did, look at me, ask me questions

he doesn't ever try to engage people, draw them out, unless it lines up with his agenda

and that's kinda pizza's mojo anyway

but

it just drips of insincerity and misdirection to me

[Cuthillius]

If you can't read what I just said, and know how absolutely true it is, you're no townie. Point blank.

You may not feel confident in reading me in games, but you've watched me play dozens of games and played dozens of games with me.

You know my main priority as scum is protecting the team. I can't do that if I spew half a dozen people townie by killing it day one and then dying.

You also know how much I want to kill scums right away, but mostly, find townies. You know this because you saw me start doing it in every town game since we started turbo-ing, where finding townies is key to locking the game away, and I'm hit and miss for finding scums.

Scums have to mess up for you to find them, townies don't.

here he says he wants to find townies

but that's not what he's been doing

he's been making a town pile, sure, but then focusing the majority of his attention on getting people lynched and appealing to the better senses of those who disagree, while ignoring everything else

again, a misalignment of what he says he's doing and what he's doing

[Cuthillius]

Jowy 39
Now I know better and will be able to read Jowy better in the future, and kudos to those who read him right based on his meta. Apparently he is straightforward to read, but his process is just like nails on chalkboard to me. At one point he put csargo in his town core and then voted him. This is part of the problem I have with Jowy. Now, it is still MY fault I didn't read him right. But it's gotta be understandable. Even if you know Jowy better. His process was not the same as his votes, and I always vote someone who does that, and it's usually right.

.,/

[Cuthillius]

all cards out on the table, i poisoned pizza last night and it had no effect on him

[Cuthillius]

if bulletproof town claim is accurate, i could see this being some sort of unpoisonable town or scum role

don't know if bulletproof is able to be poisoned

but

worth bringing up for future reference/hearing what pizza has to say about that

[Fredwood]

Hi I went to a birthday and got more drunk on Whiskey and Icecream then I was planning to, but I'll try to be lucid.

Anyone got a vote count?

I'm not really liking Manasi lynch if only cus I don't learn anything.

The other 3 I have issues with

Novice: cus I don't want to doubt my IGR on him
Pizza: cus I'd be sheeping the meta
Bart: cus I don't want to tunnel.

Cuth and I are melding, and if he sites the Pizza Meta as enough to lynch him I guess I can get behind the Pizza lynch I guess. I do think I have something I want to pursue for the next phase though.

[Dp101]

all cards out on the table, i poisoned pizza last night and it had no effect on him

*interesting*. A quick browse of the wiki shows that XCOM units can be immune to poison if they have a medikit, but unfortunately there are also several poison-immune aliens, so we can't get anything AI out of this.

[Cuthillius]

Hi I went to a birthday and got more drunk on Whiskey and Icecream then I was planning to, but I'll try to be lucid.

Anyone got a vote count?

I'm not really liking Manasi lynch if only cus I don't learn anything.

The other 3 I have issues with

Novice: cus I don't want to doubt my IGR on him
Pizza: cus I'd be sheeping the meta
Bart: cus I don't want to tunnel.

Cuth and I are melding, and if he sites the Pizza Meta as enough to lynch him I guess I can get behind the Pizza lynch I guess. I do think I have something I want to pursue for the next phase though.

i'm not reading pizza scum for META, but rather for inconsistencies in pov/actions

no idea about meta tbh, it's all over the place

last i heard votecount was 4-3-3 novice/pizza/manasi

[Dp101]

I'm so used to only using interesting on discord that I did the discord syntax for the italics, rip me.

[Cuthillius]

*interesting*. A quick browse of the wiki shows that XCOM units can be immune to poison if they have a medikit, but unfortunately there are also several poison-immune aliens, so we can't get anything AI out of this.

yup

it's not massively useful

but it is something

[Cuthillius]

I'm so used to only using interesting on discord that I did the discord syntax for the italics, rip me.

i do appreciate the effort, though

[Cuthillius]

dp what are your thoughts on the gh slot?

[Montmorency]

all cards out on the table, i poisoned pizza last night and it had no effect on him

if bulletproof town claim is accurate, i could see this being some sort of unpoisonable town or scum role

don't know if bulletproof is able to be poisoned

but

worth bringing up for future reference/hearing what pizza has to say about that

Could be Town PR, hypothetically. Could be poison resistance. Could be scum self-protect. IDK

One concern here is two players making ultimate PR claims in the same EOD.

This is going to be WIFOM night, you realize.

Pizza needs to wake up.

[Dp101]

dp what are your thoughts on the gh slot?

Very, very awkward. Hopefully will improve post-promised reread of the game overnight.

[Dp101]

Pizza needs to wake up.

IMO, Pizza needs his sleep after the recent awakenings on prior days.

[Montmorency]

IMO, Pizza needs his sleep after the recent awakenings on prior days.

Final rest? You lynchin?

[Fredwood]

i'm not reading pizza scum for META, but rather for inconsistencies in pov/actions

no idea about meta tbh, it's all over the place

last i heard votecount was 4-3-3 novice/pizza/manasi

I meant with in specifics to his effort, you said it's within his scum meta to put in that effort.

I'm scumrreading him for many of the same things you were, just I was having a hard time reconciling the tonal read I had on some of his posts that read as excitement to me and the amount of effort he's putting into the game, even in light of the somewhat manipulated ISO's

[Dp101]

Final rest? You lynchin?

I mean, I do want him dead, but my comment was made as a joke.