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    Default Swordsmen vs Spearmen

    Do the swordsmen have a different function over spearmen? Certain spear units have a relatively high attack power that matches the high offensive power of the swordsmen.

    What's a better offensive unit to use? Nedes Nesamoi or the Argoi? The Hyperaspistai or the Thorakitai? Most of the Germanic Spear Units vs most of the sword units?

    If I engage the spear/sword unit with their opposite counterparts, will they be at a disadvantage?

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    Default Re: Swordsmen vs Spearmen

    Spearmen have various bonuses against cavalry, depending on the type (it's a bit cryptic and confusing, as there seem to be three types of bonuses). Some of the swordsmen have the AP trait, namely if their swords are curved forwards and sufficiently large. This usually doesn't show on the unit card because practically all of those swordsmen use javelins as a primary weapon. As for direct combat, I'm not sure. Ideally, it should come down to which direction the unit is engaging from, and weapon length. For fighting on walls, I much prefer swordsmen, don't know if they really are better at that though (they should be).




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    Animations play a big part in this, in terms of the battlemap performance of each type. One of the things we consciously did in 2.3 was reduce the over-performance of overhand spear-users, and improve the animations of sword-users.

    The spear is ultimately the better formation-fighting weapon, lots more men can use it effectively in a confined space. The engine is supposed to reflect that, but in a disordered formation, the sword has the clear advantage.
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    Default Re: Swordsmen vs Spearmen

    As a general rule of thumb, swords are better against infantry, whilst spears are more all-purpose with a bonus against cavalry. Swords are particularly unimpressive against cavalry, generally speaking, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius View Post
    Animations play a big part in this, in terms of the battlemap performance of each type. One of the things we consciously did in 2.3 was reduce the over-performance of overhand spear-users, and improve the animations of sword-users.

    The spear is ultimately the better formation-fighting weapon, lots more men can use it effectively in a confined space. The engine is supposed to reflect that, but in a disordered formation, the sword has the clear advantage.
    The improvement is indeed noticeable. The Nedes Nesamoi I sent to stop a unit of Batori got badly beaten with heavy casualties while in another battle, the Argoi I've sent killed a alot of Boii Retainers while only suffering a few casualties. The swordsmen even managed to hold against regular Hoplites.

    However, during a siege my Celtic Swordsmen got wrecked by a unit of Celtic Spearmen when compared to my unit of Celtic Spearmen holding back another unit of enemy spearmen for a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Genghis Akhan View Post
    As a general rule of thumb, swords are better against infantry, whilst spears are more all-purpose with a bonus against cavalry. Swords are particularly unimpressive against cavalry, generally speaking, as well.
    Where do the Axe/Club fit in the weapon advantage however? Are they still only capable of only attacking the enemy units from the rear due to the fact everyone can wreck them if put to the front lines?

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