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    Unhappy Army Lists

    ********************WARNING: This thread is outdated**********************
    (Nonetheless, it give a very good and comprehensive overview of Hoggy's awesome works)


    Japanese Army List

    Infantry
    Ashigaru
    Yari Samurai
    Naginata
    Samurai Infantry
    No-Dachi Heavy Samurai
    Samurai Archers
    Sohei Monks
    Mighty Swordsmen
    Kamikaze
    Hero Ronin
    Hero: Tomoe Gozen

    Cavalry
    Samurai Cavalry
    Yari Cavalry
    Samurai Horse Archers
    Samurai Heavy Cavalry


    Concepts




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    Chinese Army list

    Infantry
    Peasants
    Light Spearmen
    Heavy Spearmen
    Imperial Guard
    Mace Infantry
    Imperial Archers
    Cho Ku No (Repeating Crossbowmen)
    Shaolin Monks
    Elite Imperial Guard
    Tibettan infantry
    Hero: Hong Shue Fei
    Hero: Jian Sheng

    Cavalry
    Imperial Cavalry
    Bactrian Archers
    Light Chariot
    Elite Archers/Scouts
    Guan Yu cavalry

    Special Units
    Leopards
    Fire lances (possibly)




    Officers etc:
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    Demon Army list

    Infantry
    Basket Demon Ronin
    Undead Samurai
    Zombie ashigaru
    Rokurokubi
    Ghost Geisha Fighters
    Bakemono
    Kappa Archers
    Hanya
    Noh Demons
    Shreeking Hags
    Snow Monkey Infantry
    Wang Liang
    4 arm warrior

    Cavalry
    Shishi Riders
    Camel riding demons
    Kappa Elephants
    Beast Riders

    Special Units
    Bronze Dragon (with palanquin)





    Officers
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    Indian Army list

    Infantry
    Peasant Infantry (loin cloth, buckler and scimitar)
    Krishnapur Swordsmen (ornate turban scimitar and shield)
    Krishnapur Guard (ornate turban spear and shield)
    Chakra Infantry
    Golden warriors (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
    Golden archers (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
    Fanatic Tribesmen (dreadlocked with loincloth and club)

    Cavalry
    Horse Archers/Scouts
    Krishnapur Lancers (ornate turban spear and shield)
    Arjuna Chariots (ornate gold helmet early cone style after hero Arjuna)
    Elephant Archers
    War Elephants
    Royal Elephants (ornate white elephant with minaret palanquin)

    Special Units
    Tigers



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    Monk Army:

    Infantry
    Sohei monks
    Shaolin Monks
    Masters

    Cavalry
    Cavalry Monks

    Leaders
    Officer
    Shrine standard

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    Mongol Army:

    Infantry
    Khanate warrior
    Khanate Archer
    Khanate Spears

    Cavalry
    Khanate Elite Cavalry archers
    Khanate Cavalry

    Leaders
    Officer

    Korean Army:

    Infantry

    Hwrang
    Choson Elite Archers
    Choson spears
    Choson Warriors
    Choson Infantry
    Choson Firelancers

    Cavalry
    Goguryo Cavalry
    Choson Scout Cavalry

    Last edited by hoggy; 12-06-2005 at 13:38.

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    Neutral Armies (ie remaining factions):
    Infantry

    Boar Spears
    Eagle archers
    Bear Warriors

    Cavalry
    Lion Cavalry

    Leaders
    Officers



    Rebels/mercenaries:

    Infantry:
    re-use:
    Boar Spears
    Eagle archers
    Bear Warriors
    Samurai
    Ashigaru
    Chinese light Spears
    Mace Infantry
    Chakra Throwers
    plus:
    Ronin
    Red Hair samurai
    Ghost skull throwers
    Tribal Spear
    Fish men
    Chakra Throwers
    Hanuman
    Yakuza
    Dragon
    4 arm woman

    Cavalry
    re-use:
    Lion Cavalry
    Indian Horse archers
    Khanate Elite Cavalry archers
    plus:
    Durga Cavalry
    Giant Turtle Riders
    Last edited by hoggy; 09-04-2005 at 17:23.

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    What army lists I just see the names of the factions?
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    probably just place holders that he'll update later :)


    otherewise this will be the most boring mod ever
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_John
    otherewise this will be the most boring mod ever
    lol

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    Yep, I just wanted to make sure the most up to date army lists stay at the top of the thread really so these placeholders will keep them all together. I've updated them now (was too hung over yesterday )

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    As I mentioned the following is based around my old notes and ideas for an Asian wargame I never got around to developing further. Its quite bulky and probably goes back over a lot of stuff you already have but feel free to borrow any parts that take your fancy (and pay no heed to the rest).

    To begin, you’ve laid out several factions already but apart from the main regions individual branches, if any, still seem to be a bit up in the air. As such I’ll put forward my own suggestions for possible choices. The names given for the various regions below are their original names (as close as I can figure) and seem appropriate for a mythic pseudo-historical setting. Each region would have its basic unit available to all factions within that area and then special units available only to individual factions.

    The various factions should ideally have some unit cohesion in terms of look and prowess, i.e. the various units should look good when brought together as well as by themselves and the army should have a particular focus in terms of gameplay, strong and weak points that distinguish it slightly from the others. So far there are 12 factions (I know pay no heed) I myself would consider worthwhile for current or future consideration, they and the possible character of their troops are as follows.

    1) Western Shogunate (Progressive cultured Samurai army) - Very Disciplined, best spearmen
    2) Eastern Shogunate (Old-fashioned, spirit worshipping Samurai) - Very Heavy Infantry
    3) The Clan of the Bear (Civilised Korean human kingdom) - Best Archers
    4) The Clan of the Tiger (Chaotic Korean spirit kingdom) - Almost entirely non-human
    5) The Court of the Sun (Southern Chinese Empire) - Balanced Army, slightly stronger
    6) The Court of the Moon (Northern Chinese Empire) - Balanced Army, slightly lighter & faster
    7) The Jade Kingdom (Lord of the Spirit World) - Unbreakable troops
    8) Dai Jiao - "the Evil Cult" (A sect of decadent anarchists) - Largest mobs of troops
    9) The Barbarian Horde (Allied tribes on the Empires border) - Fastest Cavalry
    10) The Sarvabhauma (Semi-Arabic Indian kingdom) - Mix of Light cavalry and Infantry
    11) The Ekarat (Far Eastern Indian Kingdom) - Very heavy Cavalry
    12) The Islands of Mist (Warrior-Monks) - Best close combat but small in number

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    Yamatai (Japan)

    Factions

    The two halves of the country are fighting over which family will act as regent for the 10 year old boy king. The native spirits of the island have lent their aid to the humans they see as most in touch with their spiritual goals. The East is seen as more cultured and progressive while the West is more tribal and conservative.

    1) Eastern Shogunate – Allied with spirits of heaven (Amatsu kami)
    2) Western Shogunate – Allied with spirits of Earth (Kunitsu kami)

    Units

    0) Basic
    Machi Yakko - Peasant Militia
    Ashigaru Yari - Light (Hara-ate) Armor
    Ashigaru Archers - Lt.Arm
    Samurai Archers - Lt.Arm
    Chugen - Samurai Squires, weak infantry, maybe scouts
    Samurai Pavise archers - Lt.Arm
    Samurai Naginata Light Foot - Medium (Do-maru) Armour
    Samurai Sword Heavy Foot - Heavy (O-yoroi) Armour
    No Dachi Heavy Foot - Lt.Arm
    Samurai Light Cavalry - Med.Arm
    Samurai Heavy Cavalry - Hvy.Arm
    Samurai Mounted Archers - Med.Arm
    Ronin Mercenaries - Shock troops, Med.Arm, poor morale
    Hatamoto - Elite Bodyguard

    1) Eastern Shogunate
    Kamikaze - Unbreakable, cause fear
    Shojosenshi (warrior maidens) - Morale boost to nearby troops
    Kenshi - Best “giant-killer” unit in game
    Sohei - High Morale, fast
    Ikko-ikki - Fanatical monks, unbreakable
    Omikoshi Sohei - Carry portable shrine, provide moral bonus to friendlies
    Light Oyumi - Repeating Crossbow
    Heavy Oyumi - Ballista
    Kitsune - Fox Spirits, Spirit Archers, fox tails red hair, elven features
    Tengu - Bird Spirits, Elite Swordsmen
    (Note: Tengu also appear as Raven headed men in tall wooden sandals rather than masked dwarfs with long noses and imo look much more striking this way)

    2) Western Shogunate
    Kabukimono - Human bandits
    Hengeyokai - Shapeshifters
    Kappa - Water Spirits
    Blue Oni
    Red Oni
    (Note: the Oni are the traditional Ogres and distinct from the masked Hanya – who is in actuality female)
    Yamanba - Mountain Hags
    Jikininki - Ghouls, Corpse Eaters
    Kama-itachi - v. fast weasel monsters with sickle like claws (mammalian Raptors)
    Kijo - Forest ogre
    Kumo-kami - Giant spider spirits
    Yasha - Giant vampire bat

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    Choson (Korea)

    The people of Choson are descended from Bear spirits to whom the Gods granted human form. The vengeful Tiger spirits who also sought this boon from the Gods but were refused have since that time attempted to bring chaos and ruin to the region.

    Factions

    1) Bear Clan
    2) Tiger Clan

    Units

    0) Basic
    Peasant Levy
    Light Infantry
    Archers
    Light Cavalry

    1) Bear Clan
    Hwa Rang Light Infantry - Use triple bladed spears
    Hwa Rang Heavy Infantry - Use swords
    Hwa Rang Archers - Use composite bows
    Hwa Rang Cavalry - Use spears
    Sulsa - Special forces, more Green Beret than ninja
    Chiha yo Changgun - Ancestral guardian spirits
    Malgal Tribesmen
    Bear Warriors (Can take massive amounts of damage)

    [Note: Korean Medieval warriors have a distinct wide brimmed helmet that can help distinguish them from Chinese and Japanese troops.
    Some examples can be seen here http://scheltrum.ironmammoth.co.uk/yidynasty.html Other troops often wear long headscarves. Officers often have Chinese style helmets but these could perhaps be ignored as with the other two types they have more of a clear identity]

    [Note: to give them a distinct focus the Bear clan army can be made more missile oriented with the addition of the Repeating Crossbows and Artillery found on the Chinese list. The reason for this being of course that the bow is often given the reverence in Korea that the sword receives in Japan]

    2) Tiger Clan
    Human bandits
    Chejun Giants
    Kumiho - Malevolent fox spirits – missile skirmishers
    Tokebi - Goblin light infantry
    Tiger warriors - Berserkers

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    Qin (China)

    Factions

    The sprawling Empire is so large that it is almost too much for anyone ruler to handle. Thankfully the land has two in the form of the unaging Emperor and Empress, twin brother and sister who have ruled for almost a thousand years. In Summer it is the Emperor’s laws that hold sway as new edicts are issued from his Court of the Sun in the Southern regions. In Winter however, power shifts to his sister whose commands flow from the Court of the Moon in the North.

    Although over the centuries they have often come into conflict with one another, and sometimes occasional civil war, generally the find themselves allied against the other forces that threaten their great Empire.

    On the Western borders various Barbarian tribes continue to press against the Empires boundaries, testing it for weakness and possible invasion routes. On the Eastern coast a vile cult that edifies degenerate behaviour and debauched excess, leading whole villages or regions in rebellion against the Imperial order. And of course, throughout the Empire, the perpetual shadow of the Jade Kingdom looms. The rulers of the land of the dead always seeking a return to the lands of the living or fresh souls to force into their servitude.

    1) Court of the Sun
    2) Court of the Moon
    3) Jade Kingdom
    4) Dai Jiao (the Evil Cult)
    5) Barbarian Tribes

    Units

    0) Basic
    Yibing - Peasants
    Mubing - Peasant Militia
    Light Infantry
    Archers
    Light Cavalry

    1&2) Both Imperial Courts
    Imperial Infantry
    Imperial Crossbows
    Imperial Cavalry

    1) Court of the Sun
    Fire Lances - Rudimentary, short-range flame-throwers
    Rocket Artillery - [Good images of an medieval rocket cart can be found here http://www.koreanmonsters.com]
    Brocade Guard - Royal Bodyguard, wear elegantly embroidered uniforms.
    Zhanmajian Infantry - Anti-cavalry troops
    Zhuge Nu - Machine Gun action repeating crossbow
    Lian Nu - Shotgun action multiple crossbow
    Tie Fu Tu - Heavy Infantry, Iron scale armour

    2) Court of the Moon
    Ying lan (brave orchids) - Warrior women
    Ch'in-chun - Elite Cavalry
    Gansi-Dui - Oath-bound Shock Troops
    Tie Qi (iron riders) - Heavy cavalry
    Shishi Riders - Chariots

    3) Jade Kingdom
    Jiang’shi - Hopping Zombies
    Ghost warriors - Spectral versions of regular infantry
    Ghost cavalry - Spectral versions of regular cavalry
    Hand Maids - Flying ghost women
    Palanquins - Undead Lords carried by lantern bearing servants


    4) Dai Jiao (Evil Cult)
    Bandits
    Slave Troops – Captured villagers forced to fight one another in bear pits
    Cultists - Drug Crazed Psychopaths
    Cult Priests - Fanatical Wild-man Priests
    Yang Liang - Horned Demons
    Ch'uan-T'ou Skirmishers - Bat-winged people

    5) Barbarian Tribes
    Light Cavalry - Mtd Archers
    Heavy Cavalry - Xiongnu Mtd Archers - Elite Archers
    Wuhuan Light Cavalry - Very Fast
    Mangudei Heavy Cavalry - Elite Mongol Shock Troops

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    Bharat (India)

    The battle among the countless princes of Bharat has is reaching its conclusions with two great Lords now posed to claim the title of “Samrat” king of the entire Indian sub-continent. The ancient gods of the land, the rival Devas and Asuras, now choose sides and watch the final stages of the game play out, lending their aid to those they deem most worthy of glory.

    Factions

    1) The Sarvabhauma – favoured by the Devas
    2) The Ekarat – favoured by the Asuras

    Units

    1) Basic
    Atavi skirmishers - Forest tribesmen
    Sreni Infantry - Merchant Guild Spearmen
    Bhrta Infantry - Low morale Merecenary light infantry
    Bhrta Cavalry - Low morale Mercenary light cavalry
    Maula Infantry - Hereditary light infantry
    Maula Archers - Hereditary troops
    Maula Cavalry - Hereditary light cavalry
    Kshatria Infantry - Noble Heavy Infantry
    Kshatria Archers - Noble longbowmen


    2) The Sarvabhauma
    Kamboja Horsemen - Elite Light Cavalry
    Light Chariots - Heavy Chariots
    Armored Elephants - Close combat role
    Howdah Elephants - Missile support role
    Saffron Guard - Robed fatalistic noblemen
    Gurkhas - Aggressive close combat troops
    Cera Archers - Elite Tamil archers
    Apsaras - female water/wood spirits
    Gandharvas - male nature spirits, half beast
    Garuda - Bird men
    Kinnaras - Horse-headed men, bonus to friendly morale

    3) The Ekarat
    Bahalika Cavalry - Elite Light Cavalry
    Camel riders
    Camel Archers
    Nihang swordsmen - Elite Sikh warriors
    Chakram skirmishers
    Tomara skirmishers - Javelins
    Bindipala Fighters - Heavy Clubs
    Kanda Kodali axemen
    Pata swordsmen - Long, thrusting gauntlet-swords
    Mulf-I-khar swordsmen
    Nagan swordsmen
    Chota Nagpur axemen - Bullova two handed axe
    Batak axemen - Kapak throwing axes
    Rakshas - Skeletal demons
    Naga - Men with the lower bodies of snakes
    Dund riders - Headless horsemen
    Abarimon skirmishers - Backwards feet, fastest runners

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    Shangshung (Tibet)

    The impassable mountains of this region rise far into the clouds and on the highest peaks sit the secret schools of the Shangshung warrior monks. These schools ring the tallest of all mountains in the world, the great Shen’bei’chang, at whose summit the Celestial Court can be found. This is the meeting place used by the various Earthly Gods to interact with one another and also with the divine creator itself. Among many of the mortal races it is said that any who can make their way here can become gods themselves, gifted with eternal life. Many have tried but so far none have succeeded.

    Factions

    1) Islands of Mist
    2) Celestial Court – Unplayable Senate faction. The warring armies are fighting for ultimate control of this.

    Units

    1) Islands of Mist
    Dan’chu (Dawn Students) - Yellow robed skirmishers, using throwing irons
    Wu’chu (Noon Students) - Orange robed, shaven headed staff fighters
    Gan’chu (Sunset Students) - Red robed swordsmen
    He‘pai (White crane School) - Female warriors with iron fans
    She‘pai (Snake School) - Top-knotted swordsmen
    Hu‘pai (Tiger School) - Burly, black-bearded polearm fighters
    Tang‘pai (Mantis School) - Sickle wielding white-bearded old men
    Long‘pai (Dragon School) - Fire-breathing fat bald guys

    2) Celestial Court
    Unplayable but perhaps some unique guardians to kick ass in the end game.

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    jenns, cool stuff! but it almost seems like you should maybe look into creating a whole new mod? i personally wouldn't mind seeing hoggy borrow some ideas of yours though. for me, your setup is a bit too fanciful, whereas hoggy's (as of yet) maybe is a bit too bound by historical concepts. a happy middle ground would be cool.

    but a lot of your setup would require RTW modding capability that doesn't exist yet unfortunately
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Thanks John, I'd never have the time to work on a seperate Mod though. As I said, the lists above were for an old game concept I had that was left by the wayside due to other commitments. It also goes without saying that I'd never have the talent to bring such units to life that Hoggy seems to possess.

    I've noticed that some of the uits above are doubled up, e.g. in Qin, Shishi Riders and chariots are seperate unit, as are the Barbarian Light Cav, Mtd Archers, Heavy Cav and Xiongnu Archers.

    Just to note, the units above are all existing historical or mythical groups rather than any creation of my own.

    Some other possible factions that weren't part of my discarded concept:

    Island Kingdoms
    Inlcuding both the South-Eastern tip of the continetal mass (Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, etc.) plus the various island regions (Philippines, Indonesia, Fiji, Borneo, etc.) that have untapped distinct cultures would nicely wrap up the entire Asian continent.

    Conquistadors
    European (or Arabic) Explorers in the vein of Columbus or Marco Polo who find a route to the mysterious east and try to set up a puppet kingdom, perhaps starting from a tiny island trading post (in the manner of Hong Kong).

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    Tibet=Xizang, you can't call it anything else.
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    China is not a world power. China is the world, and it's surrounded by a ring of tiny and short-lived civilisations like the Americas, Europeans, Mongols, Moghuls, Indians, Franks, Romans, Japanese, Koreans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
    Tibet=Xizang, you can't call it anything else.
    lol, why not?
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Xizang is the current name for Tibet in Mandarin Chinese (since 1965). It refers only to the Tibet Autonomous Region which makes up about half of the old kingdom of Tibet which was comprised of three seperate regions (Amdo, Kham and Utsang) and was know in ancient times as the kingdom of "Shangshung".

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    so it sounds to me like xizang is the last thing we should call it then
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    I'm surprised there's not much emphasis on any Turco-Mongol factions........The Chinese built the Great Wall to keep us out you know

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    Seriously! We need Mongolians! Kara-Khitai! Tatars! Merkids! Huzzah!


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    Some quick thoughts here.

    Hoggy, for hero units, will we be going with an individual's name (eg Tomoe Gozen), or a group name (as I mentioned on the main thread)?

    Now the Japanese naginata units. As the dev it's up to you, but why not make them a female unit? I like Jenns' idea of the "warrior maidens" but only if they are effective fighters as well. The wives and daughters of samurai were bushi themselves. I think it would be a waste if they were simply Japanese-looking "screeching women". Perhaps that would be a use for the "Joushigun" title I mentioned before.

    Also, did those ordinary units of "geisha" tickle your interest? Because I think it might be a bit odd to have dead geisha warriors, if there were no live ones to begin with. If you made the ghost units "ethereal", then they can't easily be hurt by many weapons - the real geisha could be a counter to that. I think a geisha unit would also be a better source of moral for an army, than samurai women clad in armour.

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    Well I PM´ed Hoggy about my idea for the Hanuman a few days ago and he suggested me to paste my PM here on the 'Army list'-forum since he may include them as mercenary troops, bandits or rebells on the Indian part of the map.


    "Hi!

    I do´'t know if you have read my post about the Hanuman on the 'General forum' and the 'Blue lotus forum' yet. The post is about to implement the Hanuman into the game, and hopefully as an entirly own faction.

    I guess you and your team already have alot of your own ideas and probably dosen't need any new faction ideas... but here I go anyway


    You know the god Hanuman, the monkey/ape featured humanoid that stands for guidance and wisdom, follower of Rama? Also called Sun Wukong in chinese mythology.


    My idea was to make the race of ape-men (vanara) to be called after the great monkey god Hanuman (or Sun Wunkong in chinese mythology). In apperance they should look like him but less powerfull. Baybe some variation between the troops. Slim human looking creatures with silk fur (mostly yak-brown, some could be orangutang-red or snow monkey white), long tails and arms and monkey/chimpanse-like facial features (but still looking human in some way).


    I have a few inspiring links/pictures here of Hanuman/vanara...
    http://www.sjc-serbia.com/download/hanuman.jpg
    http://deepak.portland.co.uk/images/hanuman.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/posmandir/hanuman.jpg
    http://www.indianink.net/cards/hanuman.gif
    http://www.swamishyam.org/hanuman-deco.jpg
    http://www.warriorprincess.com/seas...Way/hanuman.jpg
    http://www.pilgrimage-india.com/gifs/lord-hanuman.jpg
    http://www.holymtn.com/gods/HAN-3med.jpg
    http://www.ape-o-naut.org/famous/fa...ges/hanuman.jpg
    http://images.google.se/imgres?imgu...hl%3Dsv%26lr%3D



    Possible backround/fluff for the HANUMAN
    A possible background story for the Hanuman/Sun Wukong could be that the Hanuman once where humans who lived in a templar empire deep in the jungle. They where at war with evil jungle spirits and lurking demon beasts (agents/outcasts of the Yomi empire?). The Hanuman won the war but the fallen enemie cursed them and their god. The powerfull curse turned both them and their god into mindless monkeys. But at time the god Hanuman woke from his haze and then; one by one, woke his faithfull followers and learned them how to speak and craft things again. Made them to vanaras.

    Another story could be that Hanuman was a renegade god/spirit/demon of the Krishnapur or the Yomi empire. He fled to the southern jungles and hide their in a abandoned ruin city. After hundreds of years he got bored of the company of animal spirits and worked his magic and might on the monkeys that inhabited the ruins. He learned them how to speek, craft things, work togheter and in the end form them into warriors and guardians of Hanuman and his jungle kingdom.

    A third possible story for the Hanuman could be that they are the heirs of the god Hanuman and his children: the monkey/ape spirits (vanara). They live in the deep of the jungle in their hidden temples and citys and only the friendly minded are allowed to enter their kingdom. This may be the possible seed of the conflict between the Krishnapur and the Hanuman. The Krishnapur who want to expand west find the Hanuman in the way and have successfully pushed them aside. But now has the conflict reached the point where the last strong jungle city of the Hanuman have mobilised. Ready to fight back the furless intruders. Some of the old ones even suggest that the Millenia of the Monkey god are att hand and that the known world shall be aware of the army of Hanuman and his children.



    Cultural profile of the HANUMAN
    I also have an idea when it comes to the way their culture could look. Since the Hanuman originate from hindu mythology they could be portraid indian style. But that would clearly make them just a mirror-faction to the Krishnapur.

    Instead you could let them have a cultural apperance much like Thailand http://imagesoftheworld.org/thailand/01816.jpg blended with Indonesia http://www.globalgeografia.com/albu...a/borobudur.jpg

    Another cultural apperance of the Hanuman civilisation could the be the one of the ancient tempel city of Anchor Vat (...or even the ruins of the monkey king in Mowgli). Dense owergrown SE-asian ruins.

    Possible helmet designs of the elite Hanuman warrior:
    http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/thai97.jpg
    http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Thai/lit...anumanfront.jpg
    http://images.google.se/imgres?imgu...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN



    End of part 1"

    "Part 2.


    Possible symbol and color-scheme of the Hanuman
    White and Gold, or Pink and Green.
    Their symbol could be a sillhuette of a tower á la Ankhor Vat style, or it could be the sillhuette of a crowned dancing monkey/hanuman.




    Possible armylist of the HANUMAN

    Warrior Hanuman
    Standard melee units. Nearly naked, only wearing bronze/gold bracers/bracelets, necklease, open ornated bronze/gold helmets and similar things. Wears pink sarong-like skirts. Armed with short spears. They should have brown fur.

    Hanuman Bowmen
    Ranged units. Similar clothing/jewelry as the warriors except the helmets. They have golden tiara style headbands/hats. Wears green sarong cloth. Armed with indian horn bows. They could have orange fur. May probably only consist of female vanara?

    Késari Warriors
    Named after Hanumans father. Buff and strong. They are berserker like units with low defence and armor but does major damage. Almost naked except for the sarong cloth. Armed with two-handed Hanuman style mace. Brown fur.

    Anjana guard
    Named after Hanumans mother. They are slim and armed with dual saber like knifes. Fast and deadly and frightening. They looks like bowmen and warriors but have mask-like helmets (look far above*). They also have shoulder like pads of bronze or gold and gold ornated green cloth. They could have white OR black fur. May probably only consist of female vanara?

    Old Monkey Wanderers
    Named after the avatar name of Hanuman. Few in numbers and with no armor but does muches damage with area effect. They are old male (and female?) vanara with long braided white or greyish fur/hair and beards. They wear long white and pink robe-like cloth pieces and heavy ornated golden neckplates. They are armed with an Indian weapon I have forgot the name of. The weapon is like a sword but the blade is several meters long and much like thin and flat bands/strands of metal. The one who handle it use it much like a whip (a whip that can cut of limbs). Old Monkey Wanderers are slow but extremly deadly and have great closecombat range. They higher the morale of friends. Their downside is their small numbers.

    Hanuman temple guard
    Elite infantry. Looks much like the warriors but are taller and wear more armor. They have crowned helmets much like the one that Hanuman has in the portraits of him.
    They wear green and pink sarong and are armed with hanuman style mace.

    Serpent Spirits
    Special infantry. Slow but inflict terror in their enemies. Looks like giant python. Good at killing/strangeling large enemie troops like elephants. But they are way to slow and large to counter human-sized enemies.

    Tiger Spirits
    Special infantry/cavalry. Looks like tigers with white glowing eyes and are twice (or trice?) the size of regular tigers. Good at killing moost troops but are few in numbers and quite slow, afraid of fire based attacks.

    Hanuman Tiger Riders
    Standard Hanuman cavalry. Hanuman warriors armed with spear (or maybe bows), riding on large tigers.

    Rama Tiger Cavalry
    Heavy cavalry. Hanuman tempel guardians armed with mace and shield, riding on great white tigers.

    Jungle Tramplers
    Special skirmisher cavarly. Hanuman bowmen sitting on dwarven elephants (elephants small/large as big working horses) with hanuman style golden tiara on their forheads.




    Possible strategic traits and downsides for the Hanuman troops
    They could get bonus when moving and fighting in forest or jungle terrain.
    Or maybe have the "invicible" ability when they are in dense forests/jungles.

    They could get higher moveabillity when moving through other troops because they can "climb" over troops.

    They are good at retreat when you want them to. Good skirmishers.

    They could get minus when moving or fighting on flat ground without any terrain.

    They are quite weak compared to troops from other factions.

    Their morale and fighting spirit will drop when trying to move them over waters/floods and bridges due their fear of water.



    Thats it. I don't know if you like the idea of Hanuman as an own faction. But i really think a neutral/good non-human faction would make the game even more intressting!
    *I really like the god Hanuman*

    Well, if not worth considering then I hope it was atleast some good reading (even though my extremly crappy grammar).

    Cheers!"


    Now I asume that the army list will be reduced for the Hanuman. Also I agree with Ramareddy that the Hanuman should be called Vanara. I mostly agree with this because the original idea to call the monkey men is lost when they are not an own faction (called after their Kingdom and god - Hanuman). As mercenaries they should be more likely to be called by their race's name - Vanara. But if they will be a mini-faction then it would be nice if they will be called Hanuman or Sun Wukong.
    Last edited by Kageka; 06-28-2005 at 11:17.

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    I've updated the japanese army list at the top of this thread with concepts for the assorted units of the japanese style armies.

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    Great stuff as usual Hoggy. However i was wondering if it was possible to give Sohei thier own personal officer and banner bearer, possibly even a portable shrine. Also it would be cool if some units would have ninja scouts.

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    We may be able to do this for the Monk faction and therefore should in theory be possible for Sohei used by other factions, I'll look into it. Ninja will probably only appear as spies/assasins on the strat map and as hirable units.

    Ps. I've updated the link for the japanese concepts at the top of this thread. made alterations to concepts to incorporate unit changes etc.

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