==The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret==

[Sarcasm]

Welcome to the place where all the facts and rumors released by those sneaky bastards, AKA EB modders, are gathered. This one-time gathering of information is presented with copious ammounts of sarcasm, just for YOUR viewing pleasure. I am not part of Europa Barborum, and this is completely UNOFICIAL.

So here is a little segment I like to call....

The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret

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• The Idea:

From its start, Europa Barbarorum, has been shrowded in mystery, and as Unramma and the rest of the gang run a tight ship, very few information comes out, except that which is released in some news bolletins. These are spread across the board and tend to be flooded with a whole lot of exclamation points and worship posts, not to mention useless spontaneous conversations started by the likes of me.

Also, there is a lot of speculation and discussion on this forum regarding units, factions, translations, graphical aspects, historical accuracy AND nudity, believe it or not.

So, I thought, wouldn´t it be nice to have a single forum were it´s all organized and with as much information as can be found on the stuff exposed on the news bolletins and other threads? Hell, it might even become a 'cult' thread.....but most likely it won´t. So, with Khelvan´s reluctant approval here I am.

• The Map:

Here it is, a magnificent work of art, if somewhat outdated, as some of the factions here have been replaced and some were added. Since then Numidia (dark blue in North Africa) has been removed and replaced by Bactria which will be on the Easternmost provinces of the map, to the right of the Seleucid Empire (Greyish-Purple area from asia minor into Persia). Also Scythia, is no more, replaced by Sarmatia, which occupies virtually the same starting location.

• The Factions:

To the day in which this is being written, the playable factions are Rome, Gaul, Britania, Germania, Iberia, Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Dacians, Thracia, Sarmatia (replaced Scythia), Parthia, Armenia, Macedon, Pontus, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt and Baktria (replaced Numidia).

Allied Hellenes is rumored to be called Aetolian League (translated to greek) instead. Other factions may also be translated to their native tongues, but this is all speculation.

Faction Icons:

Part of the Mod´s objective is to remake the faction icons, and those that we know about are:

Macedon:



Parthia:



Ptolemaic Egypt:



Germania:



Numidia, which is currently on standby as part of the rebel faction, waiting for CA´s decision to make the game more mod-friendly, and allow EB to add more factions:



I speculate that there are other factions being considered to be made rebels, such as Thracia...Armenia was considered as well, but the supporters of its replacement were promptly lynched by an angry mob with pitchforks and torches, and now, all is as it should be.

Barbarian Tribes:

As you know, there were no such things as a real barbarian nations. Instead these people organized themselves in a multitude of tribes. In Europa Barbarorum, factions will be set more around specific tribes than those supposed "nations" featured in the original Rome:Total War.

In EB, Dacia will represent the Getae, Gaul will be Aedui, Thracia will be the specific tribe of the Odrysians, the Iberians will be represented by the Celtiberic tribes (including the Lusitanii), Britannia will be the Casii Kingdom and finally Germania is based loosely on the Suebii Confederation.

• The Armies:

Faction Armies:

Before going into the unit lists proper, the new system based on cultures rather than factions, which this thread bases itself, has left in my opinion, a void in information concerning the actual nature of the faction´s armies. So I will attempt to give a description of every major faction´s armies.

Allied Hellenes:
The Allied Hellenes will have an army based mainly around hoplitai of diferent sorts (including elite spartans), supported by little other Heavy or Light Infantry. It will rely on screening units to guard the flanks of its phalanx, mainly skirmishers. It will rely little in heavy cavalry (which will be most likely very expensive to train and maintain), or archers (small range, inadequate damage). The nearby presence of the right kind of mercenaries will most likely make up this deficiencies.

Armenia:
The Armenians will likely field an army made up of Light/Medium Infantry with a few Heavy Infantry (Axemen). In suport it will field large quantities of both Light and Heavy cavalry in the form of horse archers (probably from the steppe tribes) and cataphracts (of lighter build than those of Parthia).

Baktria:
Although very little has actually been released on the army of Baktria it will most likely field a core of Greco-Macedonic phalanx and Hetaroi-type Heavy cavalry. In support it will field light infantry, light/medium cavalry and archers from the subjugated Iranian peoples. There´s also an Indian element in the army, so there´s the possibility of fielding Indian longbowmen and elephants.

Britannia:
Britannia will field an army composed of very mobile infantry and chariots. It´s infantry is mostly light and medium and many posess the ability to skirmish and hide in long grass in order to spring ambushes.Also swords are rare due to relative shortages of iron in the isle. It has a couple of heavy infantry units which are very expensive to recruit but of very good quality. It will have very little in manner of cavalry (one unit of pony cavalry), and relies on chariots as a mounted-arm instead. Slingers provide the only missile support of this faction.

Carthage:
The Empire of Carthage will field armies made up almost exclusively of foreign units. The core of its armies are is relatively few African troops, who form a phalanx (Liby-Phoenician) and heavy cavalry arm. It´s temples also provide the elite Sacred Bands (foot and mounted). Realisticaly, though, the majority of its Infantry is recruited among the Iberians and Celtiberians as is its cavalry. They have a couple of edges over other factions by fielding some of the best mounted skirmishers in the game and the best slingers. A sort of Carthaginian Legionaire is a possibility.

Dacia:
The Dacians will presumably field mostly infantry, with some archer support. They will most likely have a mix of light and medium infantry including the terrible Falxmen. They will likely have some medium cavalry as well.

Gaul:
The Gauls field a very balanced unit roster, with good quality light, medium and heavy infantry, all fully able to stand in a battleline, some even phalanx capable. Their medium cavalry is also of good quality, and so is their heavy cavalry, though very expensive. They have access to a great variety of regional units as well, which give them other useful ranged infantry. A good all-round army.

Germania:
Although there´s little information on the entire unit list, but will, like the Britannia´s army, have little ammounts of armoured troops and swords (which will be reserved to elite and semi-elite troops which can afford to make or import the equipment). Presumably it will rely mostly on light-to-medium infantry armed with framae, thrusting spears and javelins. It will contain at least one unit of archers, and an extremly expensive elite heavy cavalry, armoured and armed with everything of the best.

Iberia:
Little or nothing has been released on the Iberian/Celtiberian armies. But it will most likely contain some light and medium infantry, with ability to make both ambushes and open battles. Most infantry will carry a falcata or a straight thrusting sword of great quality, since they were great smiths and metal was plentiful. Almost all will carry a javelin of some sort, the soliferrum being espeacialy deadly. The cavalry is some of the best in the western world, and medium and heavy (reportadly, they are a sort of western cataphract) variants should be in the roster. For missile support they use slingers, including those of the Baleares Islands.

Macedon:
The Macedonic army will base itself around the use of a fixing phalanx, with little heavy/light infantry and skirmishers covering the gaps between the blocks and heavy cavalry in the form of subject Thessalian Cavalry and Hetaroi. The main line can be reinforced by elite units (hypaspists) and supported by both slingers and archers.

Parthia:
The Parthians will rely mostly on cavalry as the main force of its armies. It will field a force composed mostly of horse-archers (including some from steppe tribes), supported by very heavy cavalry (cataphracts) and some light infantry (with missile capability) and archers. Elephants are also a possibility. They should also be quite inefective at assaulting cities.

Pontus:
Almost no mention has been made to Pontic Armies in the EB forums. Presumably it will be a mixture of Phalangitai along with some Light (native infantry) and Heavy Infantry (Pheraspidai) covering the gaps between blocks. Galatian infantry is also a possibility. The natives should provide the light cavalry (javelin throwing cavalry) and skirmishers. Horse archers could be provided by steppe tribes. The heavier cavalry should be of Hellenistic origin and in the Hetaroi fashion. Other Medium and heavy cavalry should be provided by the Hellenic population and the Cappadocians as well. Scythed Chariots are a possibility.

Ptolemaic Egypt:
The Ptolemaic army, like most of those of the Diadochy are made up of a core of Hellenic soldiers supported by natives. The Greco-Macedons provide the main phalanx, the elite infantry guards (thureophoroi and pheraspidai are a possibility as well) and the Heavy, Hetaroi-style, Cavalry. The natives provide skirmishers, light infantry and light cavalry, perhaps even some archers. Elephants should also be present.

Rome:
The Romans should have two periods for their military. The first period Rome will field large contingents of Latin Heavy Infantry as their main force and reserve, Skirmishers and Light Infantry in the front and low-quality Heavy Cavalry in the flanks. There should also be large ammounts of allied Italian contingents even in a 1:1 ratio, but with a larger proportion of cavalry.
The second period should be a time where the Legions are standartized, and all Latin and Italian contingents are armed in the same fashion, as Heavy Infantry. Skirmishers should also be present. Troops hired in unromanized provinces should provide auxilia in form of armoured spearmen and specialized cavalry.

Sarmatia:
The Sarmatian tribes should field almost exclusively cavalry, particularly horse-archers. They should be supported by heavely armoured lancers and some other Light/Medium Cavalry (which most-likely will have bows as well). Foot soldiers should be negligable, with the very probable existence of archers-based Infantry.

Thracia:
Thracia should be able to field some Hellenic-style soldiers such as hoplites, phalangites and heavy cavalry armoured in bronze (for the nobles) along with their more traditional Medium Infantry armed with javelins and rhomphaias, peltastai skirmishers, light cavalry and javelinmen on horse. Bastarnae mercenaries should also be present.


Unit List:

A large number of these unit screenshots, descriptions and lists were collected in the beginning of the development of the Mod, when it was more open to the common user and much has surely changed after that. So relatively few of these units have actually been 100% confirmed in the way they are here. The ones marked with "UNCONFIRMED" are the ones that have only been mentioned in post or two, without details, or my own supposition. Others are marked as "OUTDATED SCREENSHOT", which means those units have either been probably replaced by now or received a new visual that I am aware of, but haven´t got access to.

Also, we know that units will not be recruitable in a linear manner as it was in vanilla RTW. There will be faction specific units, region specific units which can only be trainable by some factions or by all. Same goes for mercenaries. Take every unit description with a pinch of salt. Wait...you better take some more...

Making it short, this list will try to collect all information regarding the units that will fill your screen. I will also attempt to make out its function on the battlefield and translate their names, when applyable. RUMORS INCLUDED.

***************AFRICAN***************

*Astarte Sacred Band (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT



Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured elite cavalry owned by the Astarte temple in Carthage. The sons of noblemen are handed over to the temple to train to become heavy cavalry. Armed with a two-handed spear. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Carthage

*Baal Sacred Band (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured elite hoplites. Armed with underhand spear and Argive Shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Carthage

*Libyan Spearmen (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT



Translation : N/A
Description : Recruited among the Liby and Liby-Phoenecian subjects of Carthage, which provided tribute in form of money, produce and troops. Presumably Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage
Recruitable in : Libya, Carthage, Thapsus

*Numidan Cavalry



Translation : N/A
Description : Mounted skirmishers, recruited in North-Western Africa. They ride without saddles and are regarded as the best light cavalry in the western world. Unarmoured and armed with javelins and a small shield. Mounted Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa

*Numidan Javelineers



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured skirmishers, armed only with a javelins and a small shield. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily

*Numidan Slingers



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured slingers, armed only with a knife and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome?, ???
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily

*Garamantes Nomads (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Pre-Muslim Arab camelry, unarmoured and armed with a sword and a large shield (NOTE: Scimitars will not be available in this time period). Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome, ???
Recruitable in : Sahara Desert, Garama

*Garamantes Infantry (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Pre-Muslim Arab infantry, unarmoured and armed with a spear and large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Carthage, Rome, ???
Recruitable in : Sahara Desert, Garama

*Machimoi



Translation : 'Native Egyptian Phalangite'
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pantodapoi



Translation : 'Eastern Soldier (All Purpose?)'
Description : Militia recruited among the non-Greek stratus of the population. Unarmoured and armed only with a spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Numidian Light Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Mounted skirmishers, recruited to fight for the Roman Empire, either from their homeland or by traveling to the Italian Provinces to hire themselves out. They ride without saddles and are regarded as the best light cavalry in the western world. Unarmoured and armed with javelins and a small shield. Mounted Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : North-West Africa, Sicily

***************CELTIC***************

*Silurii Byrnai



Translation : Silurii (tribe) Spearmen
Description : Basic foot soldiers of the fierce southern tribe. Disciplined, well trained, and brave these warriors carry throwing spears and a large shield.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Modern Wales, Venta Silurum

*Clyddailauddynion (Cli-thu-deh-thin-un-ee-on)

Translation : 'Swordsmen'
Description : Generally, these are some of the wealthiest men of the southern tribes as iron supply was short and thus made the process of forging or trading swords, a very expensive matter. They use woad patterns all over their bodies and spiked hair. They are unarmoured but carry a large oval shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britannia

*Calwr Chlaiddyfwir

Translation : 'Glorious Giant Blade Men'
Description : These are men very akin to the Brycalaware, but carry a two-handed sword and are armoured in the finest mailshirts besides wearing metal helmets. Their weapons have the ability to shatter shields and armour, and instill terror on their foes and inspire their fellow men. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia, except Caledonia

*Eginynauddynion

Translation : 'Bladesmen'
Description : These are young but experienced warriors of the Midlands. They are impetous and cover their bodies with intricate designs believing it will bestow protection upon them. They are armoured with a leather vest, and equip themselves with a shortsword and a small shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Middle Britannia

*Ffonaflauddynion

Translation : 'Slingmen'
Description : These were the youngest warriors of the tribes, still learning the trade of warfare, still their slings are a very effective weapon. They will probably brake and flee if forced to fight hand-to-hand since they are only armed with a knife and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia

*Maliwyr Charde (Mall-ee-wir Chard-eh)

Translation : 'Warriors of the South'
Description : They are the file warriors of the Southern tribes. They are unarmoured and are armed with a handfull of javelins, a spear and a large oval shield. Skirmishers/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britannia

*Rhyfelwyr (Rh-eye-vell-wir)

Translation : 'Warriors'
Description : These are the warriors of the Caledonians, an isolated people, who do not have large ammounts of iron, and as such use less expensive weapons. They are seemingly fearless and believe their tatoos give them speacial protection. They are unarmoured, and are armed with javelins, a spear and a square shield. Skirmishers/Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Caledonia

*La Tene Cerbydau (Bock-see-deh)

Translation : 'Light Chariots'
Description : Light chariot with bronze fixtures and hubs, drawn by two horses, driven by a skin woaded men, with spiked and lyed hair, and a rider with a bronze cuirass, with bronze helmet, javelins, oval shield, and an iron longsword. Light Chariots.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia, except Caledonia

*Fionn Gaelladha (Kid-unk)

Translation : 'Free Gaels'
Description : These are the greatest warriors of Hibernia and forget all tribal bonds to defend their homeland from foreign invaders. They wore extremely well made chain shirts, and used a combination of long range javelins, iron longswords, and round shields. Heavy Cavalry/Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Britannia, Gaul
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Drwmcerbydau

Translation : 'Heavy Chariots'
Description : Heavy chariot with many bronze fixtures and hubs, drawn by two horses, with an armored driver (armored the same as the rider), and a rider with a bronze cuirass, with bronze helmet, armed with javelins, oval shield, and longsword. Heavy Chariots.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : All of Britannia

*Brycalaware (Rie-call-a-oo-ree)

Rebel Skin



Briton Skin



Translation : 'Great Champions'
Description : Veteran, made wealthy by the offerings of their chieftans men, capable of buying the best equipment. Armoured and armed with a spear, large shield and sword. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Britannia

*Milnaht Belgae (Mel-not)

Gallic Skin



Briton Skin



Translation : ???
Description : Middle-aged, experienced, but non-aristocratic Belgae tribesmen. Unarmoured but armed with a sword and a large shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Samarobriva, Aduataca, Vesontio, possibly Southern Britannia

*Tribal Militia (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT



Translation : N/A
Description : Low quality levies from the barbarian Celtic tribes. Unarmoured and armed with a thrusting spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul, Britannia

*Leuce Epos



Translation : 'Light (fast) Horse'
Description : Unarmoured Horsemen, armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large shield. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul

*Mala Gaeroas



Translation : 'Southern Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with javelins, spear and large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Patavium, Mediolanum, Tolosa, Vienna, Limonum, Avaricum

*Belgae Batacorii

Translation : ???
Description : ???
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Samarobriva, Aduataca, Vesontio

*Soldurii



Translation : 'Soldiers/Warriors'
Description : Armoured elite warriors. Apparently armed with a long spear, large shield and longsword. Possibly Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Burdigala, Limonum

*Botroas



Translation : 'Swordsmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Patavium, Mediolanum, Tolosa, Vienna, Limonum, Avaricum

*Senone Slingers (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A (Senone-tribe)
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured and armed with a short sword and a small buckler besides its sling. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Aquitanian Archers (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A (Aquitanii-tribe)
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured and armed only with a short sword, besides their bows. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Tolosa

*Bodvoritus

Translation : 'Running Wrath'
Description : Very Impetuous, Very Undisciplined, Good Morale, unarmoured warriors that are armed only with a sword. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Veneti Bagaudam

Translation : 'Veneti (tribe) Guerrilla Fighters'
Description : Low Morale, unarmoured warriors that get bonuses when fighting at night and are more probable to spring ambushes. Armed with a sword and a small square shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Dorioritum

*Bodubatae

Translation : 'Raven Warriors'
Description : High Moral, High Valour, Disciplined warriors that can afford very good equipment, their name being given by their raven helmets. Armoured in a bronze cuirass and armed with a long spear, longsword and large oval shield. can form both phalanx and shieldwall. Phalanx infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Bibracte

*Carnute Cingetos

Translation : 'Carnute (tribe) Warriors'
Description : High Morale, Mail-armoured druidic infantry that causes fear on other Celtic soldiers and have large bonus against non-Celtic units. Armed with a longsword and a round shield. Recruitable in Carnute territory, around Cenabaum. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Cenebaum

*Brihentin

Translation : 'Elite Cavalry'
Description : Disciplined, High Moral, Mail-Armoured mounted noblemen, armed with spears, longsword and a large round shield. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Transalpine Gaul

*Arvenii Arjos



Translation : 'Arvenii (tribe) Noblemen'
Description : Disciplined, High Moral, Mail-Armoured noblemen, armed with long spears, longsword and a large shield. Can form shield wall. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Gergovia

*Northern Warband (subject to name change)



Translation : N/A
Description : Similar to Botroas. Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul
Recruitable in : Bibracte, Cenebaum, Darioritum

*Mori Gaesum



Translation : 'Sea of spears'
Description : Tribal warriors of the Helvetii, decently armoured and armed with a sword, a long spear and a large shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Helvetia

*Gaetsae

Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Good Morale, High Valour, completely naked warriors except for a helmet (don´t worry, they actually have a loincloth...wow, that was close, hey kids?) and are armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large hexagonal shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : All of Gaul

*Ordocorii

Translation : 'Hammer Troops'
Description : Good Valour, Average Moral, Mail-Armoured warriors that are armed with a War-Hammer and a round shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Southern Britanniam, Northern Gaul

*Boii Botroas



Translation : Boii (tribe) 'Swordsmen'
Description : Unarmoured and armed with a longsword, javelins and shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, ???
Recruitable in : Northeast of the Helvetii, Transalpine Gaul

*Goidilic Daernaght

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) 'Spearmen'
Description : Most basic warriors of the Goedelic tribes with Good Morale. They are only semi-professional, training only four months a year, returning to work afterwards. They are unarmoured but carry a large shield and are armed with one heavy javelin, thrown before a charge, as well as a spear. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

Goidilic Laech

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) 'Warrior'
Description : Warriors of the Goedelic tribes. They are professional soldiers which train all-year round and make up the core of the Goidilic armies. They are unarmoured but are equipped with a large shield and a sword. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Goidilic Gurrain

Translation : Goidilic (ethnic) Cavalry
Description : Most basic warriors of the Goedelic tribes. They are only semi-professional, training only four months a year, returning to work afterwards. They fight mounted in a pony, are unarmoured, carry a shield and are armed spears, for both throwing as well as a thrusting. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia
Recruitable in : Hibernia

*Gallic Medium Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured Horsemen, armed with throwing spears, longsword and a large shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Gaul, Northern Italy

***************EURASIAN NOMADS**************

*Scythian Steppe Cavalry (subject to further translation)


Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : All
Recruitable in : Northern Steppes, Black Sea

*Scythian Light Cavalry (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : All
Recruitable in : Northern Steppes, Black Sea

*Aorsi Riders (subject to further translation)



Translation : Aorsi (tribe)
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the steppes armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Sarmatia
Recruitable in : The lower Volga River and as far east as the Aral Sea

*Dahae

Baktrian Skin



Parthian Skin



Translation : Dahae (tribe/'robbers')
Description : Unarmoured horsemen from the Scythian tribe of the Dahae. Armed with a composite bow, a small shield strapped to his arm and a sword. Ranged Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Parthia, Baktria, Sarmatia
Recruitable in : South of modern Kazakhstan

***************GERMANIC***************

*Teutones

Translation : Teutones (tribe)
Description : Excellent Valour, Excellent Morale, Disciplened mounted warriors which dye their hair red, grow a full beard and are armed with throwing spears and a small square shield. Heavy Horse Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Germania
Recruitable in : Along the Rhine

*Chatti Fanatics (subject to further translation)

Translation : 'The Distinguished'
Description : Fanatical unarmoured axemen/spearmen also equiped with a large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germannia
Recruitable in : Tribus Chatti

*Framaemen (UNCONFIRMED/probably subject to further translation)

Translation : 'Framae (spear with short and narrow blade) Men'
Description : They form the bulk of any germanic army and are armed with a spear which can be thrown as well as used in a melee and, presumably some kind of shield. Trained to form a shieldwall. Phalanx/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania

*Bu?on-Manwaz



Translation : 'Bow Men'
Description : Hunters gathered to form an archer warband. Armed with a bow and knife/short sword. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania

*Sahsnotaz



Translation : 'Swordbondsmen'
Description : Unarmoured swordsmen also equipped with a large shield. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Germania
Recruitable in : Tribus Saxones

*Germanic Heavy Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : Armoured Horsemen, armed with a spear (couched), longsword and a large shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Heavy Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Germania, Italy, Pannonia

[Sarcasm]

***************HELLENIC***************

*Spartiates Hoplitai Agema (IMPROBABLE)

Translation : 'Elite Spartan Hoplites'
Description : Elite hoplites trained from infancy to fight. Very high moral, tough to brake. Armoured with bronze/iron cuirass and armed with a overhand spear, short sword and large Argive shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Sparta

*Spartiates Hoplitai

Translation : 'Spartan Hoplites'
Description : Hoplites trained from infancy to fight. Very high moral, tough to brake. Armoured with linen cuirass and armed with a overhand spear, short sword and large Argive shield. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Sparta

*Peltastai

Allied Hellenes Skin



Macedonic Skin



Translation : 'Shield (Pelta) Bearer'
Description : Hellenic lightly armoured soldier with javelins as its primary weapon. Skirmisher/Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Hippeis Xystophoroi



Translation : 'Xyston (Long Spear) armed Cavalry'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among the wealthy of the Greek Polis. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Grecce

*Taxeis Phalangitai

Translation : 'Militia Phalangites'
Description : Unarmoured Phalangites armed with a sarissa. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Thureophoroi

Translation : 'Shield (thureos) Bearer'
Description : Presumably a lightly armed infantry, with a large shield, and fills the gaps between phalanxes. Heavy Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon, Greece

*Pezhetairoi

Translation : 'Foot Companions'
Description : Lightly armoured Phalangites armed with a sarissa. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Argyraspidai

Translation : 'Silver Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Elite Infantry armed with sarissa spears. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Hypaspistai

Translation : 'Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Macedonic Guard Infantry presumably armed in a hoplite fashion and fight with an overhand spear. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Pheraspidai

Translation : 'Shield (aspis) Bearer'
Description : Close assault infantry. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon, Greece
*Taxeis Hoplitai (UNCONFIRMED)

Translation : 'Militia Hoplites'
Description : Unarmoured hoplite. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Everywhere

*Slingers (name subject to change)

Translation : 'Sphendonetoi' (trans?)
Description : Hellenic Slingers. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Toxotai

Translation : 'Archers'
Description : Hellenic Archers. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Greece, Macedon

*Hippakontistes

Translation : 'Horse Javelineers'
Description : Unarmoured Light Cavalry armed with javelins. Horse Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Akontistes

Translation : 'Javelineer'
Description : Unarmoured skirmisher with javelins as its main weapons. Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Greece, Macedon

*Prodromoi

Translation : 'Scouts'
Description : Macedonic Light cavalry armed with a Xyston as its primary weapon. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Hetairoi

Translation : 'Companions'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Noble Macedonic Cavalry. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Macedon

*Thessalian Cavalry (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among the subject nobility of Thessaly. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Macedon, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thessaly

*Kleruchoi Agema



Translation : 'Military Settler Guard'
Description : Armoured Phalanx armed a Sarissa spear as its primary weapon, a sword and a shield. Reruited among Greek military settlers who were given land for their service. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Basilikon Agema



Translation : 'Royal Guard'
Description : Elite royal guard recruited from the Greek stratus of the population. Armoured Hoplitai, armed with a large shield and overhand spear. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Alexandria

*Kleruchoi Cavalry (subject to further translation)



Translation : 'Military Settler (Fief holder) Cavalry'
Description : Heavly armoured cavalry with Xyston as its primary weapon. Reruited among Greek military settlers who were given land for their service. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Ptolemaic Egypt
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Ptolemaic Egypt

*Cretan Archers (subject to further translation)



Translation : Cretan (trans?) Toxotai
Description : These soldiers, recognizable by their characteristic red tunic, are considered the best archers in the Hellenic world. They wear no armour and are armed with a bow, a short sword and a small shield. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome, Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Pontus, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, ???
Recruitable in : Crete, Ionia, Rhodes, Western Greece

***************IBERIAN***************

*Dubis Dusios (VERY IMPROBABLE.....hopefully)

Translation : 'Black Demons'
Description : Elite Celtiberian warriors from Spain. They are chosen from among the ranks for their skill, fitness and bravery in battle. Though rough and ready, these Celtiberians are fierce ferocious fighters that can hold their own against almost any opposition. Armed with a sword, and an oval shield. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Gaul, Britannia, Iberia
Recruitable in : Celtiberia?

*Iberian Light Cavalry Auxilia

Translation : N/A
Description : These are lightly armoured cavalry, armed with javelins, a falcata sword and a small round shield. They are recruited from their homelands or travel to the Italian Peninsula, to fight for the Roman Empire. Light Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Iberia, Italy

***************ITALIAN***************

*Velites

Translation : 'Cloak wearers'
Description : Poorest or youngest soldiers in the Early Republican Legions. Unarmoured and armed with javelins as their main weapon. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Hastatii



Translation : 'Spear (hasta) carriers'
Description : Middle-aged soldiers which have done service in the Early Republican Legion, but don´t have enough wealth to buy expensive armour. Armed with pilla, large shield (scutum) and short-sword. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Princepes



Translation : 'Leaders'
Description : Middle-aged soldiers which have done service in the Early Republican Legion, and have enough wealth to buy more expensive armour (lorica hamata). Armed with pilla, large shield (scutum) and short-sword. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Triarii



Translation : 'Third liners'
Description : Oldest most veteran soldiers in the Early Republican Legion. Able to buy the best equipment available. Armed with a spear (hasta), large shield (scutum) and short sword. Possibly Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Equites



Translation : 'Horsemen/Knights/Cavalry'
Description : Made up of the citizens that are wealthy enough to provide their own mount. Armoured and armed with a spear, large shield and sword. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Early Cohors Legionarii (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Late Republican Cohorts. First step into making a homegenous legion, as all the equipment is bought from the state. Well trained, armoured in chainmail and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Auxilia



Translation : reserve troops, auxiliary troops
Description : Imperial soldiers recruited from the roman provinces, among non-Italic peoples. Trained, armoured in chainmail and armed with a large shield and a spear. Medium Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Late Cohors Legionarii (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Imperial cohorts. Well trained, armoured in banded armour (lorica segmentata) and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Early Cohors Praetoria (subject to further translation)



Translation : ???
Description : Special elite cohort which guarded the tent of the legion´s Legate (thepraetorium) of the Late Republic. In time it became a bodyguard force for generals and eventually formed full cohorts. Well trained, high moral, armoured in chainmail and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Late Cohors Praetoria (subject to further translation)



Translation : ???
Description : Special elite cohort which guards Generals and Emperors as well as forming special cohorts that fight across the Imperium. Well trained, high moral, armoured in banded armour and armed with pilla, gladii and large shield (scutum). Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome
Recruitable in : Italian Peninsula, Romanized territory

*Samnite Infantry



Translation : N/A
Description : Recruited in the southern mountainous ranges of Italy, they were enemies of Rome but were defeated in a recent war and now are found fighting in their armies. Reliable, lightly armoured, and armed with a spear, possibly javelins and a large shield. Light Infantry.
Recruitable by : Rome, Carthage, ???
Recruitable in : Southern Italian Peninsula

***************NEAR EASTERN***************

*Median Cavalry (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Lightly armoured horsemen made up of the lesser nobility of Persia. Armed with a spear, small shield and a sword. Medium Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Baktria, Seleucid Empire, Parthia
Recruitable in : Media

*Doryphoroi



Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured dual-purpose infantry recruited among the Iranian peoples of Persia. They are armed with a spear and a composite bow. Light/Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Baktria, Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Persia

*Thanuvaniya



Translation : Archers
Description : Poorer elements of the various infantry levies of Parthia. These men are skirmishers only and not inclined to close with enemy troops. Armed only with a knife/short sword besides their composite bows. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Parthia

*Eransahr Arshtbara:



Translation : 'Spearmen'
Description : Unarmoured dual-purpose infantry recruited among the Iranian peoples of Persia. They are armed with a spear and a composite bow. Light/Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Persia

*Kataphraktii (UNCONFIRMED)

Translation : 'Armoured Soldier'
Description : Very heavly armoured horsemen made up of the noblemen of Persia. Armed with a two-handed spear and a mace. Shock Cavalry.
Recruitable by : Parthia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Parthia

*Pantopadoi Phalangitai



Translation : 'Eastern Phalangite'
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Pontus
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Pontus

*Pantopadoi Phalangitai



Translation : Eastern Phalangite
Description : Lightly armoured Infantry armed with sarissa spears, recruited from the non-Greek stratus of the population. Phalanx Infantry.
Recruitable by : Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Asia Minor

*Pantodapoi



Translation : Eastern Soldier (All Purpose?)
Description : Militia recruited among the non-Greek stratus of the population. Unarmoured and armed only with a spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Seleucid Empire
Recruitable in : Asia Minor

***************Thracians***************

*Thrakioi Prodromoi

Translation : Thracian Scouts
Description : Light cavalry armed with a Xyston as its primary weapon. Recruited from Thracian tribes. Light Cavalry
Recruitable by : Thracia, Macedonia, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thrace, Northern Macedon

*Thrakioi Peltastai

Translation : Thracian Shield (Pelta) Bearer
Description : Lightly armoured soldier with javelins as its primary weapon, recruited from Thracian tribes. Skirmisher.
Recruitable by : Thracia, Macedonia, Allied Hellenes
Recruitable in : Thrace, Northern Macedon

*Dacian Spearmen (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with spear and a large shield. Town Militia.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Dacian Peltastai (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with javelins and a large shield. Light Skirmishers.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Dacian Archer (subject to further translation)

OUTDATED SCREENSHOT



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed only with a short sword besides its bow. Ranged Infantry.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

*Falxmen (subject to further translation)



Translation : N/A
Description : Unarmoured, armed with a mighty Falx. Heavy Infantry.
Recruitable by : Dacia
Recruitable in : Anywhere in Dacia

• Siege Engines:

*Oxybeles



Translation : Catapult (missile-thrower)
Description : Light siege engine, constructed to fire bolts on the enemy line.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes

*Bricoli



Translation : ???
Description : Light siege engine, constructed to fire bolts on the enemy line. Short range and inaccurate.
Buildable by : Germania, Britannia, Iberia, Dacia?, Thracia?, Sarmatia?

• The Navies:

*Transport Boat (subject to further translation)

Translation : N/A
Description : A large merchant galley, used only as a transport auxiliary.
Buildable by : Rome:, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia, Sarmatia

*Liburnes

Translation : ???
Description : Technically a late design, used mostly after the fact of Octavian’s victories made the Mediterranean an imperial roman pond. An aphract, two-banked galley, they generally seem to have carried a ram, but otherwise raged from 16 – 50 oars.
Buildable by : Rome

*Covered Liburnes

Translation : ???
Description : Same as a Liburnes but with a fully covered deck.
Buildable by : Rome

*Trireme

Translation : "Three-oared"
Description : War galleys with three rows of oars on each side. Relies on speed and maneuverability to ram enemy ships.
Buildable by : Rome

*Corvus Quinquireme

Translation : Crow "Five-Oared"
Description : Warship with three rows of oars, with two men pulling each of the top two oars. Besides the regular bronze ramthis ship carries a special ramp with spike that would be dropped onto an enemy ship to facilitate boarding, the corvus.
Buildable by : Rome

*Biere Aphraktos

Translation : Unarmoured (not fully-decked) "Two-oared"
Description : Two rows of oars. Light, fast ship that uses a ram in combat.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia

*Biere Kataphraktos

Translation : Armoured (fully-decked) "Two-oared"
Description : Two rows of oars. Light, fast ship that uses a ram in combat.
Buildable by : Carthage

*Tetrere

Translation : "Four-oared"
Description : The ‘four’ was an updated version of the trieres, really meant mostly for fast agile tactics, not boarding.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pentere

Translation : "Five-oared"
Description : A powerful and flexible galley, depending on how the ship is designed (with one two or three oar banks) these ships are capable of both the maneuver and ramming tactics of the earlier age of the trieres, or the artillery and boarding tactics of the large polyereis.
Buildable by : Carthage, Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt

*Pentekonteros

Translation : "50-oared"
Description : Older warship than the trireme with a single row of 25 oars on each side. The trireme's staggered seating permitted three row of oarsmen, and an outrigger above the gunwale, projecting laterally beyond it, kept the third row of oars out of the way of the first two.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia, Dacia, Thracia, Parthia, Baktria

*Trimehiola

Translation : ???
Description : The triemiolia was invented by the Rhodians to help with their anti-piracy policy: An aphract trieres, with (based on the name parallel) the same kind of rig as a hemiolia. With three oar banks and sails (and possible a lighter build than a normal trieres the triemiolia presumably, could catch a fast pirate with its own game, and with a larger crew and professional marines, could overwhelm the pirate or simply ram it. In terms of translation the Triemiolia is not three-and-a-half, but instead simpler version of the compound word made by combining trieres and hemiolia.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia

*Triere

Translation : "Three-oared"
Description : War galleys with three rows of oars on each side. Relies on speed and maneuverability to ram enemy ships.
Buildable by : Allied Hellenes, Macedon, Seleucid Empire, Ptolemaic Egypt, Pontus, Armenia

*Curragh

Translation : ???
Description : Small ship made of a wooden frame and covered with hides for floatation. Barely suitable for combat as it carries very few people for boarding.
Buildable by : Gaul, Iberia, Britannia

*Tallship

Translation : ???
Description : ???
Buildable by : Gaul, Iberia

*Baitaz

Translation : Boat
Description : ???
Buildable by : Germania

*Skipaz

Translation : Boat
Description : ???
Buildable by : Germania

*Nava

Translation : ???
Description : Presumably a light ship powered by sails.
Buildable by : Baktria

*Pirate Ship

Translation : N/A
Description : Hemiolia, A fast dikrotos (two-banked) galley and famous as the quintessential pirate ship. The name and is reputed use by pirates have been take to suggest the ship typically used both oars and sail, thus allowing in to catch a feeling merchant and outlast a warship that had been cleared for action (i.e. without it’s sails and rigging) in a chase. The One-and-a-half presumably means just before closing on a prize the aft section of the top rowers could quickly pull in their oars, lower what would probably a light mast and sail and then be ready to serve as boarders.
Buildable by : Rebels

• UPDATE LOG:

27/03

- Thread is changing it´s ownership, Sheep will now take over, as I´m now working directly with EB, and as such cannot provide information as you might understand, but hopefully I´ll drop by with some rumors. It´s been a great experience, Abraço.......Sarcasm.
- Reached 4000 views!

22/03

- Added faction armies´ description to "Faction Armies" sub-section
- Visual tweaking and spelling
- Minor rumor-mongering and guessing

21/03

- Dacian Units now have all 4 conditions properly filled out
- Added Iberian, Numidan, German and Gallic Cavalry Auxilia
- Huge update on all of Britannia´s unit descriptions
- Some of Britannia´s units were replaced, due to the finding of an, aparently, more recent unit list
- Tribal Militia now recruitable by both Gaul and Britannia
- New visual scheme
- New Siege Engine - The 'Bricoli'
- Spelling and minor tweaking
- "The Armies" section will now have a "Faction Armies" sub-section to explain what each army is about

20/03

- Phase 3: Update information regarding the new parameters (COMPLETE)
- Phase 4: New Culture-Based layout "The Armies" section
- Visual tweaks
- Reached 3000 views!

19/03

- Phase 3: Update information regarding the new parameters (PARCIAL)
- Samnite, Numidian and Garamantes descriptions have been corrected

16/03

- New Layout construction begins
- Phase 1: Units now have "recruitable in" and "recruitable by" parameters
- Phase 2: New visual layout of the "The Armies" section
- "LAST UPDATED" moved to the beginning of the thread
- Gaedelic Daernaght parameters are now normalized

15/03

- Germania´s symbol is now edited to match the others´ layout
- Warship list descriptions partially redone (thx conon394)
- "Warship" section renamed "The Navies"
- "Ground Units" section renamed "The Armies"
- Visual tweaking of "The Navies" section

14/03

- 7 New Units (1 Sarmatian, 2 Parthian, 1 Briton, 3 Mercenary)
- Spelling, minor tweaking
- Reached 2000 views!

11/03

- Spelling, minor tweaking
- New faction description for Armenia with info from the .net
- Warship section revised
- Teutones have been exposed as mounted!

10/03

- Large update with 11 new Gallic units, including 3 new screenshots
- Boii Botroas is now a Mercenary unit as well as Gallic
- 3 new mercenary unit descriptions
- Germanic units and warships translated from Proto-Germanic
- General tweaks and spelling correction.
- Doryphoroi spelling fixed (thx Cataphract_Of_The_City)
- Most Roman units are now translated

9/03

- My apologies to the guys that had their posts deleted in the name of organization (Conon394, Khelvan, Proper Gander, Idomeneas and Crownsteler)
- New Screenshots added
- 2 New Germanic units found
- 2 New Rebel units found
- New condition "Recruitable by" added in the Rebel unit list
- Placed Gaedelic Daernaght on the Rebel List instead of Germanic (my fault)
- Reversed updates so the newest are first
- Revised and updated the Update Topic
- Colours added to main topics
- Reached 1000 views!

8/03

- Added new updated screenshots (7 Roman, 3 Gallic, 3 Carthaginian, 2 Mercenary)
- Image limit, forced me to open a new post
- Image size is finaly completely equal
- Most Warship descriptions added.
- 4 New Units added as Dacia is now out of the closet
- Recorrected Kleurochoi and Basilikon Agema descriptions (no thx to aymar )

7/03

- Spartans translation corrected (thx Idomeneas)
- Implemented Screenshot size standard at 205x275 pixel (incomplete conversion)
- Topic "Mercenaries and Rebels" Added
- Agema translation corrected (thx Idomeneas)
- Thx for the links (already knew about them, but thx anyway)
- Minor Rumor-mongering and guessing

6/03

- Updated with screenshots from the .org.
- Added Siege Engines section
- Added Warships section
- Added News Bolletin 4/03
- Added Update log section
- Screenshot size revised
- Boii Batroas description corrected (thx Aymar)
- Leuce Epos spelling corrected (thx Aymar)
- Kleurochoi Agemata description corrected (thx Aymar)
- Minor Rumor-mongering

5/03

- Thread created. Basic Structure laid out
- News Bolletins prior to this date were added
- Most Screenshots added.


This Thread will be updated as more information becomes available. Also, user feedback is not only apreciated, but encouraged, give us your questions, your feelings, the rumors you heard, the rumors you think you heard and even flat out confirmed data! So feel free to post.

Hope you like it.

[Sarcasm]

Need some help from a kind admin...khelvan? .....can you put this last piece up next to the first part? Is that possible? Cause I ran out of images for that post.

Regarding those quotes I´m refering to 1st (the list) and the 6th unit list, which I don´t know if its official or semi-official or whatever...

[khelvan]

Need some help from a kind admin...khelvan? .....can you put this last piece up next to the first part? Is that possible? Cause I ran out of images for that post.

Regarding those quotes I´m refering to 1st (the list) and the 6th unit list, which I don´t know if its official or semi-official or whatever...

Not unless I delete every message in the thread between the first one and the second one.

If you are referring to the Germanic list of names, this is old, and no longer applicable. It has a mix of different types of names, and we've moved to fully Proto-Germanic.

If you're referring to the Daernaught, yes, that is a sample of our full unit description.

[Crownsteler]

About the equites I just put a temporary one. It was getting late and I was beginning to suffer the effects of a massive hangover. Took me 2 hours to correct spelling errors .

As for the thread that he quoted, I can´t seem to find it. That´s why I was asking for more details on what were those things, or maybe just give me the specific thread.

There are a few threads I used;
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/f...f=9,1397,30,50
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/f...f=9,1885,30,50
http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/f...f=9,1515,90,50

but mostly they give general information, you should read the news issue on that forum whan the Ptolomaic faction symbol was showed, then people started complaining about how thw Ptolomaic symbol should be the eye of rha or a scarab can you imagine? So Khelvan had the (ungrateful?) job of telling the people there over and over again about what the mod does, and the reason for the change, but sometimes, new information is released there we here haven't seen yet.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Hey, Sarcasm. It seems I've induced you in error. I misread some texts and gave you the wrong information.

I'll explain:

The Kleruchoi Agema is a macedonian-style phalanx (they carry 6m sarissae)

The Basilikon Agema is a lakedemonian-style hoplite phalanx (the use the overhand grab and serve a similar role to the Hypaspitai)

I'm very sorry for the blunder...

[Sarcasm]

@ Khelvan:

Not unless I delete every message in the thread between the first one and the second one.

Well as much as it pains me to delete the few congratulation posts in here and a couple of discussion, I don´t think they´d mind. Half the conversation is between me, you, Aymar and Crownsteler which has posted the thread links I asked. Can you do it then? I´ll be sure to apologize and thank them.

If you are referring to the Germanic list of names, this is old, and no longer applicable. It has a mix of different types of names, and we've moved to fully Proto-Germanic.

Ok, got it. No longer applicable. But I´m curious, are all of these names germanic units? They´re way too many to be faction germanic......maybe some of them are rebel germanic?

@Crownsteler

Thx a bunch m8!

@ Aymar

A pensar que EU tava de ressaca....lol vou corrigir imediatamente.

[Urnamma]

There is A LOT of misinformation in this thread...

[Sarcasm]

@Unramma

LOL....That´s the whole point of this thread.....j/k

Can you be so kind as to clarify some of the misinformation I collected here?

BTW: conon394......ancient warships are not exactly my thing, can you provide me with better translations, descriptions or other ideas you have?

I would really apreciate it. I have already done a few, but they don´t seem to be very accurate. I´m mostly making suppositions here.

[conon394]

Sarcasm

Yes I can, but not till after work.

[Sarcasm]

@Conon394

Roger that. I´ll patiently await it then.

You´re obviously welcome to make other comments aswell.

@Unramma

Why do get the feeling you´re not going to?

[Urnamma]

Because I'm not going to spoil the surprise, and no information is going to get posted outside of news threads

[Sarcasm]

@Unramma

Well can you at least tell me some misunderstanding I might have done? I´m not talking about disclosing information...just the things which I obviously didn´t understand or make out correctly from the info already posted in these forums.



Please?

[khelvan]

Well as much as it pains me to delete the few congratulation posts in here and a couple of discussion, I don´t think they´d mind. Half the conversation is between me, you, Aymar and Crownsteler which has posted the thread links I asked. Can you do it then? I´ll be sure to apologize and thank them.

Ok, sure. Deleting posts is fun :)

Ok, got it. No longer applicable. But I´m curious, are all of these names germanic units? They´re way too many to be faction germanic......maybe some of them are rebel germanic?

No, this was an example of FAMILY names, not unit names.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

@ Aymar

A pensar que EU tava de ressaca....lol vou corrigir imediatamente.

Também tenho direito, pá!!

[Crownsteler]

Ok, sure. Deleting posts is fun :)

Okey, you naughty, naughty little boy (6) :P

This is, unless I am very much mistaken, the latest screenshot we have of the sacred band:

it might not be useful to you, but it sure feels good to post it :)

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I fished this one out of Prom's sig, it is a bit small and I had to filter out the red Prom added, so it isn't to great either :(

[Sarcasm]

Plutarch clearly states that all the Carthaginian soldiers were equipped with white shields, that includes the Sacred band. This is a red shield with a silver embossement on it......also, an iron cuirass does not necessarily mean a muscular one. There are example of iron cuirasses even in Greece and Macedonia that do not follow the classic muscular bronze one.

Like this one (even if it is, in this case, too decorated):



Thoughts on this? Is this the final version?

BTW: Can someone help me identify the gaul units, over on....

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/561/53if.jpg

http://img173.exs.cx/img173/2834/49ce.jpg

......The Soldurii and the Milnaht Belgae I´m sure, but the rest are confusing me. Anyone care to take a shot at it?

[khelvan]

The Sacred Band you see above is not the final version, nor even the current one. They are pretty, though, eh?

[Sarcasm]

Glad to hear it. Plz don´t let the red shield pass into your final version...you´ll make Plutarch roll in his grave.

Oh...

....And the Gallic units?

Represented in those screenshots are six different units or unit versions.

Type 1 -> Mail-clad soldier with a long spear and red shield

Type 2 -> Blonde fella with a sword and a light/dark blue shield and a green cape which looks like the now defunct southern warband

Type 3-> Blonde fella with oval shield divided in 4 sections (Green and Red), dark blue cape and sword

Type 4-> Ginger with a small round shield and some javelins.

Type 5-> Blonde fella with a Yellow/Green large shield, and some javelins.

Type 6-> Ginger with a large green shield, helmet and a sword

You gave us four names - Soldurii, Mala Gaeroas, Boii Botroas, Belgae Batacorii - and another had already been released, the Milhnat Belgae, in this case the Gallic skin of it. We´re still short of one name.
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Ranika provided some explanation for three of them....

Soldurii were elite warriors of the Aquitanii; Caesar mentions them by name. They varied in equipment (we've chosen to feature the more heavily armored Soldurii as a regional unit).

Boii Botroas carry long, one-handed swords, throwing javelins, and large shields. Botroas in this case are particularly the southern swordsmen

Mala (southern) Gaeroas (spear troops) are light infantrymen; they're the lightest southern infantry after militiamen. They use the Celtic longspear (really just about as long as a regular spear to others, Celtic short spears are very short), and javelins, as well as the large line infantry shields.

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Based on this information my guess is :

Type 1 - Soldurii
Type 2 - Boii Botroas
Type 3 - ????
Type 4 - Belgae Batacorii (simply because he is red-haired)
Type 5 - Mala Gaeroas
Type 6 - Milhnat Belgae

Your take on this? Who the hell are Type 3???

[khelvan]

Hehe, I guess you'll have to wait and see!

Keep in mind though, each of our units have different skins for different factions, where they can be recruited by multiple factions, and I know some of what you're asking about are Briton/Rebel/Gallic skins for the same unit.

[Crownsteler]

The Sacred Band you see above is not the final version, nor even the current one. They are pretty, though, eh?

They are incrediable, please keep the shield in tho! even if it isn't for the Sacred Band, then at least for some other Carthaginian soldiers! I (l) the shield :)

Oh, and the fella's with the blue shields are the Southern Warbands, or Mala Gaeroas as they are translated. It was, at least, this way in some very old topic, but it might have changed.

[Skilfingr]

Are the Goidilic Daernaght are really a germanic unit. Sounds more like a briton or gaulish unit.

Nice thread anyway.

[Ranika]

Goidilic units are regionals, not Germanics (and the Germanics, as it is, don't get them anyway).

[Skilfingr]

So it's as I thought. I was a bit confused, because they were listed as a germanic unit.

[Sarcasm]

Sorry about that. I acidently placed them in the Germanic unit list when I meant to put them in the Gallic one.

Still I´m reading that it is not a faction specific unit......so I´m placing it in the Rebel/Mercenary section and recruitable by both of the Celtic factions. Is this ok to you?

Again, people, take a look at the thread and post on what you do not agree, wether it´s based on your history skills, opinion or somrthing you read around in the forum. Hell, sugest modifications on the structure or whatever. I´m more than willing to change anything here if you have a valid point.

@Khelvan

Oh.....c´mon......*speaks with a Dr.Evil accent* throw me a freakin´bone here!

Men, making this thread is like having a blind men drive a submarine, in the dark, facing back. *runs to his room crying over the fact that no one really apreciates him for what he is, and no one noticed his new hairdo*

[jerby]

lot of units for macedonia, very little units for seleucids. transfer? maye give seleucid some bactrians as well

[Urnamma]

The sacred band did wear a muscle cuirass, in the Greek style. Punic elite infantry certainly did this. The sacred band had white shields... at what time period.

[TheTank]

Sarcasm
I mis the Avernii Arjos for the Gallic faction.


They are really cool units

[khelvan]

Oh.....c´mon......*speaks with a Dr.Evil accent* throw me a freakin´bone here!

So you're making a thread designed to, as best as possible, remove the element of surprise from our release (that we have worked to cultivate), and you want our help in doing so?



Naw, it doesn't hurt to have you post a bit of misinformation.

[Sarcasm]

@ jerby

I was reluctant to give some of the units that belong to the mainland greek, to the Diadochi because I´m not sure that they used Hellenic units besides the core phalanx and the elite units. I´m pretty sure they used natives or mercenaries for auxiliary arms (i.e archers, slingers, light cavalry....).

Oh, the 2 Iranian units that have been released are common to Parthia, The Seleucid Empire and Baktria.....having said that I´m not sure what you mean about baktrian units....???

@ Unramma

Muscled Bronze armour was used at Marathon in 490 BC,and at Chaeronea in 338 BC with basically the same look. Argive Shields remained largely unchanged until the 3rd and 4th centuries.....

Plutarch mentions large white shields at Crimissus, in339BC, and the game starts in 270 BC......I argued once that the band was disbanded after this battle, you and others argued otherwise, that there was evidence that these corps survived in the same fashion....so why is this argument applyable in some cases and not in others?

You have primary sources on white shields. I´m guessing you don´t on red shields with Bull/Lion combo.

@ The Tank

I don´t think they aer going to be used anymore, they might have been replaced by the Soldurii........but I´ll put them up tonight.

I´ll also try to find the thread where Ranika placed an early Gallic unit list.

@ Khelvan

No I´m not. Everything here is either common sense (which is not the same as to say its accurate) or something you or your crew said or shown in the threads of the forum. I just pick them up and try to make something of the bits and pieces (which apparently I´m not even doing correctly).

What would be the harm in clearing something up that you have already released?

@ Conon394

Conon buddy.......how about those warships, hey?