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    machine working in game enjoy it :)

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    keep it up -_-!

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    All looking very promising, I love the concept art btw lads.

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    keep this up man, think you are doing fine and a bright promise future for this game :)
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    Why aren't you guys pelting questions yet??

    I remembered years ago before MTW came out I was arguing the case for Zhan Guo TW in the Off Topic section. People got really cross about the idea....XP
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    Perhaps then was not the time.

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    Perhap it will be nice if you guys can show us more of those picture, like a battle betweens the two factions will be good
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    Questions aye.....

    What are you modelling this modification on? The actual historical events of the "Three Kingoms" or are you using the Romance of the Three Kingdoms as your reference?

    How much variety between the units of each faction can we expect? Rather than the STW style of all factions have same units etc?

    Any famous generals?
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    The mod isnt in the same time period as threekingdoms.

    Actually, if im correct i think its in the same time period as the movie 'Hero'.

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    no, actually I believe this time period happen after the qin dynasty broken down.
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    no, before qin dynasty

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    OK. Finally some questions I can answer and some assumptions I can correct.
    Questions aye.....
    Aight.

    What are you modelling this modification on? The actual historical events of the "Three Kingoms" or are you using the Romance of the Three Kingdoms as your reference?
    Romance of the 3 Kingdoms takes place a full 6 centuries after this MOD. To give you a good understanding:
    Eastern Zhou dynasty (770-256 BC, vanquished by the state of Qin)
    Qin dynasty (221-206 BC, vanquished by peasant leader Liu Bang)
    Han dynasty, established 202 BC, by peasant leader Liu Bang
    Three Kingdoms usually starts in 180 AD when the Yellow Turbans rose against the government.

    Zhan Guo MOD starts at 480 BC.

    How much variety between the units of each faction can we expect? Rather than the STW style of all factions have same units etc?
    Well, its going to be a mix of STW and MTW style. According to our historical knowledge of the era, we have divided China into 4 main cultural spheres (going deeper we actually have 7 small cultural spheres). Each of the 4 cultural sphere would have a unique unit, and we also try to give each state a unique unit as well.

    Any famous generals?
    You asked for it.

    1. Sun Wu. OK, this guy has already became a hermit again. However, his legacy still remained in the troops he had trained for the state of Wu. Due to his extreme fame, people also call him Sun Zi (and this would resonate for millenia to come)

    2. Wu Qi. This is a person that is portrayed as the most unemotional and unfeeling person throughout the Central Plains. When the duke doubted him for having a wife from another state, it is said that he killed his wife and took her head to the duke. He's not only a great general (defeating the state of Qi leading the armies for the pathetic state of Lu), he also went to Wei and helped seize the He Xi territories from Qin. He then left for Chu and reformed the entire state. However, when the King of Chu (who trusted him) died, his enemies at the Chu court raised an army and attacked him. He died under a shower of arrows.
    Wu Qi also had a legacy and hence he is also called Wu Zi. Like Sun Zi he also had an art of war dedicated to him.

    3. Sun Bing. Also had an Art of War and is said to be the descendant of Sun Wu. He defeated the Wei army led by Pang Juan and paved the way to Qi supremacy in the East (the other contender would be Qin in the west). He is named such because he was framed for treason while he is in the state of Wei by his ex-classmate Pang Juan and had his knee-caps removed (the Bing punishment)
    Like his ancestor he also wrote an Art of War and probably expanded the original works.

    4. Le Yang. Great general of Wei who helped to overpower the foreign Di state of Zhong SHan (the Zhong Shan state is composed of the Di people who sinicized themselves). History goes that the Zhong Shan captured his son and threatened to boil him alive in a huge couldron. Le Yang was not stirred but ordered the Wei army to assault, capturing the Zhong Shan fortress but losing his son in the process.

    5. Le Yi. Descendant of Le Yang. Like many generals of his time, he is also not only a military leader but a great politician. He helped the state of Yan under King Zhao to reach a great power and led a 5 state alliance against Qi, annihilating the Qi army, capturing the capital and started to besiege the only 2 remaining fortresses at Ju and Ji Mo. However, court suspicions and distrust from the new King of Yan forced him to flee for his life.

    6. Tian Dan. One of the Qi defenders that held out at Ji Mo when the Yan seized almost the entirety of Qi. When he heard that Le Yi has fled from the Yan army and a new replacement named Qi Jie arrived, he started a series of strategem to stir up the emotions of the people of Ji Mo. Using a night assault of 5000 warriors dressed in vivic colors and war-paint, as well as armored bulls covered with spears and knifes and set on fire (causing them to charge against the Yan army which panicked), he routed the Yan army and proceeded to liberate the entirety of Qi.

    7. Bai Qi. Perhaps the generals with highest bodycount in Chinese history. He started off in the Qin army as a footsoldier and worked his way up (thanks to the new merit system introduced by Shang Yang). Bai Qi was recognized for his efficiency, brutality and no defeats in his record and promoted to be a general. He defeated a Han-Wei alliance with only 80000, capturing the princes that led them and seizing 240000 heads. He was thus promoted to the State's Marshal as well as the Great Fine Builder of Qin (Da Liang Zao). He would attack Chu 3 times, the first time seizing the Chu second-capital by directing the river waters to flood the fortress, the second time he seized the Chu capital and the 3rd time he occupied the ancestral tombs and great Temples of Chu and destroyed them. The areas occupied were made into provinces under Qin jurisidction. Bai Qi would have many other campaigns, but his greatest campaign would be the Campaign at Chang Ping in which he trapped the Zhao army of 400000 men. After 46 days without food, the Zhao army surrendered. Bai Qi then ordered them give up their arms in exchange for food and wine. In the night he told every Qin soldier to wear a white turban and kill everyone in the Zhao camp. Generals Meng Ao and Wang Jian led the cavalry patrols to make sure no one escaped. If anyone has reached the legendary status, it is the Marquis Wu An of Qin (Bai Qi's highest title in his career).

    8. Lian Bo. The Zhao general that was famous for his stubborness to acknowledge that he's old. However, his initial defensive strategem at Chang Ping made the Qin army ran out of ideas and they couldn't advance. Qin General Wang Jian knew that the men were losing heart and quickly appealed to the king of Qin for solutions. The resulting strategem was replacing Lian Bo has general of Zhao using rumors and bribery.

    9. Wang Jian. The generals of Qin mostly started their careers as the rank and file soldier. Wang Jian is also one of them. He would continue to campaign until his old age, destroying Chu with 600000 men under the reign of King Ying Zheng of Qin.

    10. Wang Ben. The son of Wang Jian and destroyer of Wei. The fortress of Da Liang stood strong before him, and like Bai Qi, he directed river waters to flood the entire fortress.
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    great map. most likely the best mod in developement. really looking foward to this

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    yep, their map is impressive can't wait till it come out though :)
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    Looking forward to this!!!!!!!!!!

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    Igo(weiqi) Game was also came into being from wars between states in Chunqiu & Zhanguo Age. Weiqi is base on Great stratagem ,but Chess and chinese xiangqi(china chess) is base on tactics.
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    Western Zhou 西周 (11th cent.- 770 BC)
    Eastern Zhou 東周 (770-221 BC):
    ---Spring and Autumn Period 春秋時代 (770-475 BC)
    ---Warring States Period 戰國時代 (475-221 BC)
    The Zhou Dynasty is probably the dynasty that reigned for the longest period not only of all Chinese dynasties, but of the whole world. Of course, such a long period contributed to a certain image of the Zhou rulers and their institutions as the guideline for all later people. The founders of the Zhou Dynasty, the Kings Wen and Wu (abbreviated to the couple Wen Wu 文武), and the Prince Regent Duke Dan of Zhou 周公旦, were seen as the ideal monarchs and even as patrons and inventors of every kind of arts. The Confucianists venerated these rulers as guided by morality, humanity and righteousness.
    But 900 years of history were also times of profound changes that took place. The first kings of Zhou enfeoffed their fellowship and relatives with large domains that later developed to kingdoms themselves: the central government lost its authority, the "feudal system" (fengjian zhidu 封建制度) similar to the Western Middle Age system of enfeoffment disintegrated. The once venerated kings of Zhou, people like King Cheng 成王 and Kang 康王, lost their central position as the Heaven-approved sacrosanct ruler and were challenged by feudal lords that overtook the leadership of the Chinese world.
    The Zhou kings had to flee from their western capital to the east, forced by "barbarian" tribes that invaded the Zhou territory. This was the begin of Eastern Zhou period. It is divided into the Spring and Autumn period, called following the seasonal recordings of the annals, and the Warring States period when the six most powerful kings fought against each other. Only the state of Qin was to defeat her enemies.
    The Zhou time was also the time of the hundred schools of philosophers and thinkers. The important Confucian classical writings find their beginnings also in this historical epoch.
    What happened in the rest of the world?

    Greece: Sparta dominates the Peloponnesian Peninsula. Palestine: Israelian kings David, Solomon around 1000 BC. Empires of Urartu, Phrygia and Lydia in Minor Asia. Neo-Assyrian kingdom. New Egyptian dynasties, attacks of the "Sea Peoples". The Iron Age replaces the Bronze Age. Etruscian kingdoms in Italy. India: Late Vedic time of the Aryan people.
    Greek town states; colonisation of the Black Sea region and of southern Italy. Literature (Homeros' epics and poems, Hesiodos' tales) and philosophy (pre-Socratian nature philosophers); development of written law and constitution, Draconian law 624 BC, Athenian democracy: Kleisthenes. Foundation of Rome 753, period of Roman kings. Kingdoms of Israel and Juda, destruction of Jerusalem 578 BC by Babylon (king Nebukadnezzar). Persian king Kyros conquers Minor Asia and the Near East.
    Highlight of Greek culture: dramatists (Sophocles, Aischylos, Aristophanes), philosophers (Socrates, Platon, Aristoteles), historians (Thukydides); Athenian democracy: Perikles; Peloponnesian War. Alexander the Great conquers Minor Asia, Persia, Egypt 333 BC; division of his empire among generals. Rome becomes master of Italy, adoption of republic state form. Wars with Carthago, Hannibal, Rome conquers the western part of the Mediterranian area until 202 BC. Gautama Buddha preaches his religion of enlightenment, died 483 BC; Jaina religion. Maurya emperors Chandragupta and Ashoka, a Buddhist emperor. The Persian Achaimenid kings Dareios and Xerxes in vain try to conquer Greece. Persian religion founder Zarathustra. Late Egyptian empires, endangered by Persians and Greeks.

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    hi,Iam a chinese TW game and East Zhou dynasty history fan.China base Map be made by me--swordolf, it's me that provide the map to china MODgroup, .I am making full china map, even full Euoasia map!!

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    An Outline of Western Zhou History
    The Western Zhou (Xizhou 西周) period is a highlight of moral government and enlightened rule in the thinking of the Confucianists. In the Zhou Dynasty's eyes, heaven-appointed King Wen "the Cultured" 周文王 received the heavenly mandate (tianming 天命) of overthrow the depraved last king of the Shang Dynasty.
    Shang oracle bones and careful examination of the historical texts instead show that the conquest of the Shang area was mere a result of the general eastern expansion of the Zhou people. Myths of the moving of the capital from Bin 豳 (or 邠) to Qishan 岐山 or Hao 鎬 are proved archeologically. Around 1150 BC, the Zhou moved from the Fen River 汾水 valley in modern Shanxi to the Wei River 渭水 valley in Shaanxi where they settled among the Rong 戎 and Di 狄 barbarians.
    After overthrowing the Shang Dynasty (a defeat that must have come quite suddenly for the Shang), Zhou rulership was in no way assured. It was not a foreigner who now acted as the enemy, but King Wu's 周武王 own half-brothers that challenged his rule. It was only after the defeat of his own family that the Zhou king could establish a reign that expanded rapidly beyond the old political borders of the Shang states.
    When King Wu died, he wanted his half-brothers Duke Dan of Zhou (Zhou Gong Dan) 周公旦 and Duke Shi of Shao 召公奭 to assist the young ruler King Cheng 周成王 in government. The later tradition sees in Duke Dan a founder of Chinese civilisation, more than the kings themselves. The Duke was said to have invented historiography, the strucure of government (see the Classic Zhouli), the divining by milfoil stalks (shi 蓍), and much more. The Zhou rulers had two capitals, Zongzhou 宗周 (near Xi'an/Shaanxi) in the east in their homelands, and Chengzhou 成周 (or Luoyi 雒邑; near Luoyang/Henan) in the east where the Shang culture had its cradle. The Zhou were successful in subduing the Shang people and the tribes to the east. Their rule stretched from modern Shaanxi to the Shandong peninsula and the Peking area. But the "barbarians" (Non-Chinese) of the south and the west were strong enough to repel the Chinese Zhou. The Xu 徐 people of modern Jiangsu even attacked the eastern capital during the reign of King Mu 周穆王, King Zhao's 周昭王 southern campaign against the peoples of Chu 楚 failed. An attack of the Quanrong 犬戎 or Xianyun 玁狁 at the begin of the 8th century BC forced the Zhou elite to leave the western capital and to settle down east in Chengzhou (near modern Luoyang), an event that for the first time proved the superiority of the steppe warriors over the settled agriculturist Chinese. The following later half of the Zhou period is called "Eastern Zhou" (Dongzhou 東周).
    King You and the End of Western Zhou Period
    Although the Confucianists see the Western Zhou period as a time of glory, humanity and perfect government, it was a hard time for the Zhou rulers to survive the attacks of the southern and western tribes. But for more than two centuries, they reigned without severe interruption. The case of King You 周幽王 gives nourishment to the Confucian writers who blame him to have followed the words of his consort Baosi 褒似, thus making him equal to King Zhou 商王紂 of the Shang Dynasty and tyrant Jie 夏王桀 of the mythical Xia Dynasty. King You had established a warning system of towers that had to light a fire when the barbarians would attack. Baosi abused this system just for fun. When the Quanrong nomads 犬戎 really attacked, nobody hurried to the weapons. The fleeing Zhou elite had to dig their precious bronze vessels in hoards, a great luck for today's archeologists.
    Spring and Autumn - A Period of Disintegration
    One of the oldest traditional texts of China is the chronical of the state of Lu 魯, beginning in 722 BC and stretching down to 481 BC. It covers political events not only of the mere small state of Lu itself but also of the major states of Qi 齊, Jin 晉, Qin 秦 and Chu 楚 that dominated the politics of these three centuries. The entries in the Lu chronicle are regulary noted down per year and per season, thus giving the whole historical period the name of "Spring and Autumn" (Chunqiu 春秋時代). Historically seen, the period started when the Zhou 周 rulers had to flee from their western territories in 770 BC and moved their base from Zongzhou 宗周 to Chengzhou 成周 (or Luoyi 雒邑/modern Luoyang) in the Yellow River Basin, furthermore not being able to expand their domains. The end of the period came, when the few states taking over the de facto rule of old China, disintegrated by intern quarrels and gave up their decade-long politics of (almost) peaceful coexistence during the middle of the 5th century BC.
    The second great historical writing of the Spring and Autumn period is the collection Guoyu 國語 "Discourses of the States", which accounts anecdotes of the states Zhou, Lu, Qi, Jin, Zheng 鄭, Chu, Wu 吳 and Yue 越. Said to be a composition of Zuo Qiuming 左丘明 (because much of the material is similar to the Annals of Zuo 春秋左傳, a kind of complement to the Spring and Autumn Annals), its oldest parts must have been compiled at the end of the 5th century BC. See a table of the feudal lords (zhuhou 諸侯) of the whole Zhou period.
    The ba 霸 Hegemonial System: From Lord Protector to Overlord
    The fleeing Zhou elite had no strong foothold in the eastern territories. The Zhou kings had to rely on the help of their neighbour states not even to protect themselves from raids by other powers but also to solve intern power struggles. The first lord to help the Zhou kings was Duke Zhuang of the state of Zheng 鄭莊公 (r. 743-701). He was the first to establish the system of hegemonial rulers (ba 霸), which was intended to keep up the old feudal system once founded by King Wu of Zhou 周武王 in the 11th century BC. Later historians said it was intended to protect the original Chinese states from the intruding barbarian tribes Man 蠻, Rong 戎 and Yi 夷. But in fact, all states of old China had a multi-ethnic population, which could not really be divided into Chinese and Non-Chinese. Tribes that were ethnically and culturally different from the ruling elite were scattered all over the country.
    After Duke Zhuang's death, the two dukes Huan of Qi 齊桓公 (r. 685-643) and Wen of Jin 晉文公 (r. 636-628) made a step further in institutionalizing the system of the hegemon. The protecting task of the overlord gradually lost its original intention to become a system of hegemony of one major state over weak satellites of Chinese and "barbarian" origin. The attitude to help small states during internal quarrels changed to regular intervention into political affairs to the advantage of the great states. The two states not only perfected their own strength but repelled the southern State Chu whose ruler had proclaimed himself king and whose armies step by step intruded into the Yellow River Basin. The contending states Qi, Qin, Jin and Chu finally met for a disarmament conference.
    During the relatively peaceful 6th century, the two southern coastal states Wu 吳 and Yue 越 emerged as new powers. After defeiting king Fuchai 吳王夫差 of Wu, king Goujian 越王句踐 of Yue (r. 496-465; actually a "barbarian") became the last overlord. The hegemons are also called Wu Bo 五伯 ("Five Counts"), identified as Duke Huan of Qi 齊桓公, Duke Wen of Jin 晉文公, Duke Mu of Qi 秦穆公, Duke Xiang of Song 宋襄公, and King Zhuang of Chu 楚莊王.
    During the Spring and Autumn period, more and more land was made arable by implementing the system of rotating crops, thereby enhancing the general nourriture. Additionally, iron ploughshares became widespread during the 5th century. The peasants who had to render a slavelike civil and military service to their lords, worked the so-called well-fields (after the character for well jing 井) with nine compartiments. The fruits of the central field had to be rendered to the lord. Theoretically, all fields belonged to the king, but even in the several independent states, a crop tax of a nominal tenth was gradually introduced.
    Iron was thought to be an inferior metal and thus only used for ploughshares, not for weapons. Industrial production of ceramics and bronze tools became widespread during the Spring and Autumn period. Interstate relationship was not only conferred to war and peace conferences, but there was also an intensive trade between the different regions. As commerce slowly emerged, it was also necessary to produce and to standardize coins.
    The Era of the Warring States
    A very intensified warfare, not in number of battles, but in length and professionalism of the particular campaigns gave this period its name. The old army of a fighting aristocracy was replaced by a general led infantry (similar to old Greece and Rome and the European Middle Age), with peasants pressed to be human material and commanders almost being independent from their lord. New weapons like halberds and crossbows came up, chariots and archers supported the armor and iron helmet protected infantry. The warring states erected garrisons and walls along their frontiers, military advisors tried to defeat foreign armies, and wandering persuaders (the most famous being Su Qin 蘇秦) proposed the best alliances with other and against other states. In this time of political division, a great diversity of thinkers (called the "Hundred Schools" baijia 百家) tried to persue different rulers to make their best way.
    Coalitions to Rule the World
    The Warring States Period began with the brutal extinguishing of the ruling house of Qi (the Jiang 姜 clan) by the house of Tian 田. The Tian clan took over the rulership of Qi in 481 BC. In the small state of Lu 魯, already in 562 BC the three Huan 桓 families had replaced the house of Ji 姬. At the begin of the 5th century, five families in the state of Jin 晉 began to engage in a civil war for the rulership of this state. Three of them, the clans Wei 魏, Hann 韓 (written with two "nn" to distinguish it from the Han 漢 Dynasty) and Zhao 趙, finally overcame their rivals and founded their own states, dividing Jin. In 424 BC they mutually recognized their independence. The king of Zhou only recognized this partition in 403 BC.
    A century later, when the different states had already begun many of their interal strucural reforms, marquis Hui of Wei was the first ruler to call himself king (wang 王): King Hui the Benevolent of Liang 梁惠王. Besides the "barbarian" (Non-Chinese) states of Chu 楚, Wu 吳 and Yue 越 in the south, he was the first ruler to disrespect the traditional position of the powerless kings of Zhou. One by one, the other states followed.
    But they were in no case united against the kings of Zhou: the Zhou rulers were not more than the lords of a small territory. Warfare became the normal situation for the next century. Seven major states, Qin, Wei, Hann, Zhao, Yan 燕, Qi and Chu, fought in ever changing coalitions (zongheng 縱橫) against each other. In the end, only the well-reformed and half-barbarian state of Qin was able to overcome the others, being "like a wolf or a tiger". King Ying Zheng 贏政 of Qin conquered one state after the other and proclaimed himself the First Emperor in 221 BC, having unified the whole territory of ancient China.


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    The Kings of Eastern Zhou (Dongzhou) 東周 part I (770-475 BC): Spring and Autumn Period (Chunqiu shidai 春秋時代)
    Capital: Luoyi 洛邑 (modern Luoyang 洛陽/Henan) or Chengzhou 成周
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    Zhou Pingwang 周平王 Ji Yijiu 姬宜臼 770-720 BC
    Zhou Huanwang 周桓王 Ji Lin 姬林 719-697 BC
    Zhou Zhuangwang 周莊王 Ji Tuo 姬佗 696-682 BC
    Zhou Xiwang 周釐王 Ji Huqi 姬胡齊 681-677 BC
    Zhou Huiwang 周惠王 Ji Lang 姬閬 676-652 BC
    Zhou Xiangwang 周襄王 Ji Zheng 姬鄭 651-619 BC
    Zhou Qingwang 周頃王 Ji Renchen 姬壬臣 618-611 BC
    Zhou Kuangwang 周匡王 Ji Ban 姬班 612-607 BC
    Zhou Dingwang 周定王 Ji Yu 姬瑜 606-586 BC
    Zhou Jianwang 周簡王 Ji Yi 姬夷 585-572 BC
    Zhou Lingwang 周靈王 Ji Xiexin 姬泄心 571-545 BC
    Zhou Jingwang 周景王 Ji Gui 姬貴 544-521 BC
    Zhou Daowang 周悼王 Ji Meng 姬猛 520 BC
    Zhou Jingwang 周敬王 Ji Gai 姬[勹+亡] (i.e. 丐) 519-476 BC
    Already during the Spring and Autumn Period, the Zhou kings had fully lost their authoritative position. Enfeoffments and politics were all made by the local rulers, especially by the few powers that were successful in gaining the overlordship over the smaller states. The five hegemons (wuba 五霸) of the Spring and Autumn period had taken over the supra-state role of a judge, an appeaser and an executor that once was observed by the kings of Zhou. When the seven great powers (qiguo 七國) of the Warring States Period (Zhanguo 戰國) proclaimed themselves kingdoms, the Zhou rulers had lost their last administrative role. They were not more than the scions of a once mighty house, and the only thing they had to perform were the ancestral rites and the worship of Heaven and Earth. Shortly before the occupation of the small Zhou territory by Qin 秦, it was divided into a western (Xizhou 西周: Henan 河南) and an eastern branch (Dongzhou 東周: Gong 鞏). The last years of the Zhou rulers are still not clear to historians. The Kings of Eastern Zhou 東周 (Dongzhou) part II (475-249 BC): Warring States Period (Zhanguo shidai 戰國時代)
    Capital: Luoyi 洛邑 (modern Luoyang 洛陽/Henan) or Chengzhou 成周
    Dukes of West Zhou (Xizhou 西周)

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    personal name
    time

    Zhou Yuanwang 周元王 Ji Ren 姬仁 475-469 BC
    Zhou Zhendingwang 周貞定王 Ji Jie 姬介 468-441 BC
    Zhou Aiwang 周哀王 Ji Qubing 姬去病 441
    Zhou Siwang 周思王 Ji Shu 姬叔 441
    Zhou Kaowang 周考王
    Xizhou Huangong 西周桓公
    Ji Wei 姬嵬
    Ji Jie 姬揭; brother of King Kaowang
    440-426 BC
    Zhou Weiliewang 周威烈王 Ji Wu 姬午 425-402 BC
    Zhou Anwang 周安王
    Xizhou Weigong 西周威公
    Ji Jiao 姬驕 401-376 BC
    Zhou Liewang 周烈王 Ji Xi 姬喜 375-369 BC
    Zhou Xianwang 周顯王
    Xizhou Huigong 西周惠公
    Ji Pian 姬扁 368-321 BC
    Zhou Shenjingwang 周慎靚王 Ji Ding 姬定 320-315 BC
    Zhou Nanwang 周赧王, the last king of Zhou Ji Yan 姬延 (or Dan 誕) 314-256 BC
    Xizhou Wugong 西周武公
    Dongzhou (Gong 鞏) Huigong 東周惠公
    Ji Jiu 姬咎
    Ji Ban 姬班; both sons of Xizhou Huigong

    The Lord of East Zhou (Dongzhou Jun) 東周君
    Xizhou Wengong 西周文公
    255-249 BC

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    Enfeoffed by the Zhou Dynasty kings as Dukes (gong 公), Marquises (hou 侯) and Count (bo 伯) of different territories, these feudal lords (zhuhou 諸侯) gradually became independent from their liege lord. Dukes started to call themselves kings, and marquises rose to the rank of duke or king. In the ruler lists, rank increasings are written in bold types. Personal names - as reported - of the feudal rulers are written in brackets behind the posthumous temple name, e.g. Liang Huiwang 梁惠王 (Ji Ying 姬罃).
    For Western Zhou and the Spring and Autumn Period, Chinese historians accept 13 official feudal lords (incl. Wu), for the Warring States Period 6 (with Qin 7) although the smaller states were still existing.
    The feudal lords are listed by state and by time, the states can be chosen from the dynamic maps below, the time lists (only in Chinese and without date) from the small table to the right.

    Western Zhou and Spring and Autumn Period: ZHOU 周 Qin 秦 Chen 陳 Yan 燕
    Lu 魯 Chu 楚 Cai 蔡 Wu 吳
    Qi 齊 Song 宋 Cao 曹 (Yue 越)
    Jin 晉 Wey 衛 Zheng 鄭 [Ba 巴 and Shu 蜀]

    Warring States Period: ZHOU 周 Hann 韓 Chu 楚 Yan 燕
    Qin 秦 (Zheng 鄭) Yue 越 Qi 齊
    Wei 魏 Zhao 趙 (Cai 蔡) Song 宋
    Wey 衛 Zhongshan
    中山 Lu 魯 [Ba 巴 and Shu 蜀]

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    Chinese and Western historians call the type of government of the Zhou Dynasty a kind of feudal system (fengjian zhidu 封劍制度) because in many parts, the custom of enfeoffment was similar to Middle Age Europe.
    The basic structure of Zhou government is said to be described by the Zhouli Classic 周禮, a book compiled during the 3rd century BC.
    The king was assisted by the Three Dukes (Sangong 三公: Grand Preceptor Taishi 太師, Grand Mentor Taifu 太傅, Grand GuardianTaibao 太保) and the Three Solitaries (Sangu 三孤).
    The rule over the outstretched area of Zhou China made it necessary to give a large part of the territory as feuds (guo 國; the rest was the royal domain) into the hands of trustworthy people (called feudal lords zhuhou 諸侯). The territories of Lu 魯 (Shandong), Jin 晉 (Shanxi), Cai 蔡, Cao 曹 and Wei 衛 (all Henan) were given to relatives, the far territories of Qi 齊 (Shandong), Chen 陳 (Henan), and Yan 燕 (Peking) came into the hands of generals. The domains to the west and south (Qin 秦 and Chu 楚) were ruled by peoples more distant to the Chinese of the Yellow River Basin. All of them were bestowed with different grades of nobility, called the five ranks (wujue 五爵: "duke" gong 公, "marquis" hou 侯, "baron" bo 伯, "count" zi 子, "viscount" nan 男), all with an appending territory.
    The vast area made it necessary to establish a bureaucracy to manage the government. The general administration was in the hands of six ministers (qing 卿), surveying the six ministries (Liubu 六部): Ministry of State (Tianguan 天官, headed by the Chancellor Zhongzai 冢宰), Ministry of Civil Administration and Social Welfare (Diguan 地官, headed by the Minister of Education Situ 司徒), Ministry of Rites (Chunguan 春官, headed by the Minister of Rites Zongbo 宗伯), Ministry of War (Xiaguan 夏官, headed by the Minister of War Sima 司馬), Ministry of Justice (Qiuguan 秋官, headed by the Minister of Justice Sikou 司寇), and the Ministry of Works (Dongguan 冬官, headed by the Minister of Works Sikong 司空).
    The officialdom was divided into three ranks (ministers qing 卿, grand masters dafu 大夫, and servicemen shi 士) and nine honors (jiuming 九命 or jiupin 九品, each of the ranks divided into upper, ordinary and lower shang zhong xia 上中下). The office of the scribe (shi 史) became more and more important. From the personal rule of the shaman king of Shang times, the rule changed to a king that was simply the head of many officers among whom the ministers, intendants and provisioners became more and more important. Even military affairs had to be handed to the authority of generals. With the younger generations, the relatives became more distant and had to be enfeoffed with their territories. These territories would become more and more independent from their king in the course of centuries. Sometimes like during the reign of King Xuan 周宣王, succession struggles in the small states had to be solved by the king himself.

    The feudal system established by the first Zhou rulers had disintegrated during the Spring and Autumn period. The enfeoffed lords became rulers themselves. Among the multitude of big and small fiefdoms, a few gained hegemony over the smaller ones, including the territory of the Zhou kings. The permanent warfare made it necessary to build up standing armies and to create a centralized state. The most succesful state in reorganising its political structure was Qi under the guidance of Guan Zhong 管仲 (d. 645). "Master Guanzi" 管子 divided the territory into administration units and likewise organized traders, artisans, soldiers, citizens and peasants in units controlled by officials, that were rewarded or punished according to their effectiveness. This kind of centralized state would be much more capable to cope with all matters that required a strong organisation like war and public work. Guanzi was the first Legist, a thinking school that should later be fundamental for the founding of the Chinese Empire. The other states one by one copied this system, giving up the old kinship official system. Instead of ministers (qing 卿) and secretaries (dafu 大夫), related to the lord's family, a class of professional officials called shi 士 took over the state service, additionally gaining high specialized knowledge in both military and civil service. Confucius mourned his life long for the old elite and their rites that now suffered a social downward. As a crucial person in the new administration, some prime ministers (xiang 相) could dominate over the whole state, making the ruler a simple puppet in their hands.
    But it was not only the bureaucracy that caused a drastic change in state affairs. Becoming independent from their former lord, the king of Zhou, the dukes (gong 公) of the great states enfeoffed their own followers with new territories. Several of these families could gain independence from their lord, like the families Zhao 趙, Wei 魏 and Han 韓 (sometimes written "Hann" to distinguish it from the great Han 漢 Dynasty) in the state of Jin. The feudal system with the king of Zhou at the top thereby dissolved gradually.

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    The Zhou culture is apparently a mixture of different cultures of peoples that lived in the Wei River walley. After leaving the Zhou plain to expand their realm, the Zhou people adopted keenly the culture of the subdued Shang people. Oracle bone divination, bronze casting for sacrificial purposes and burying rites were almost the same as the Shang rulers used to impose. Writing was first used to comment divination results on bones and to write down enfeoffments and events of great importance upon bronze vessels that were buried with the deceased nobles together. But the Western Zhou also developed their own style in decorating vessels. Ornaments and vessel types became quite different from the Shang motifs earlier.
    But historical events during the Western Zhou period were also written down upon bamboo strips, that did not survive, but whose texts were transmitted through the centuries. The most important texts to the Zhou tradition became also the core texts of the later Confucian classics: The "Books of Documents" (Shangshu 尚書 or Shujing 書經, literally "Texts of the Old") is a collection of speeches and discussions from the mythical Xia and the Shang Dynasty to the end of Western Zhou period. The "Book of Songs" (Shijing 詩經) is a collection of hymns, critics and popular songs from the Western Zhou and Spring and Autumn periods. The third great text is the "Book of Changes" (Yijing 易經), a manual for milfoil divination said to have been compiled by King Wen or the Duke of Zhou.

    The Hundred Schools of Thought (baijia 百家)
    In a time of warfare and state reforms, practical advisors were the most wanted teachers. Very successful were the Legists or Legalists (fajia 法家) who were the most respectless to enforce the ruler's authority. Almost all of them were engaged in the state of Qin who should be the winner of the great war centuries: Guan Zhong 管仲, Lord Shang Yang 商君鞅, Li Kui 李悝, Shen Buhai 申不害, Shen Dao 慎到 and finally Han Fei 韓非.
    Another practical school was that of Military treatises (bingjia 兵家), with the examples of the famous Sunzi 孫子 The Art of War, Sun Bin 孫臏, Wuzi 吳子, Yu (Wei) Liaozi 尉繚子, the books Sima fa 司馬法 and Liutao 六韜.
    The third practical school was that of Coalition persuaders (zonghengjia 縱橫家), meaning geographical vertical coalitions and horizontal coalitions, with or against the state of Qin in the west. The most important book is the Stratagems for the Warring States Zhanguoce 戰國策 (also translated as "Intrigues"), including many anecdotes of persuaders, making it a novel-like work of very attractive character. The book Yanzi Chunqiu 晏子春秋 is also a book of this category.
    The most known school outside of China is the Confucian one (rujia 儒家). Confucius (Kongzi) 孔子 did not create new things, but he said his duty is to hand down old good knowledge and customs. In his eyes, the sage rulers of old had enough humanity and righteousness to gather the people in their domain and to rule without weapons and punishments. His follower Mengzi 孟子 assumes that man is good by nature. Nonetheless, social division in upper and low, reigning and serving is the only way to avoid chaos and war. The youngest Confucian, Xunzi 荀子, on the contrary, assumes that mankind is naturally evil and therefore has to be guided by ritual and rules. The collection of Confucius' sayings is called the Analects or Lunyu 論語.
    Rivals of the Confucians were two schools of thought, that are not very known outside of China. The first is the school of Mohists (mojia 墨家) with the only representative Mozi 墨子. Mozi castigates not only the lavishness of his contemporaries, fighting against expenditures for burials, rites and music. His greatest merit as "the oldest socialist" was the proposal of an all-sided love that would overcome murder and war, poverty and envy. The second school is that of the Divine Farmer (nongjia 農家), proposing the equality of everyone, thus forcing even a king to engage in farming.
    The second great religion of China, after Confucianism (means ancestral ritus), is the Taoism (daojia 道家), whose most important pre-Han books are the Daodejing 道德經 of Laozi 老子 and the book Zhuangzi 莊子. All of them show as an integral concept of Taoism the withdrawal from the worldy affairs and the self-cultivation. The latter concept results in the seek for eternal life with different methods like herbal drinks or meditation, leading to the development of alchemy. The Zhuangzi even sees a throughout relationship in every existing thing that one has to overcome, making the Taoism similar to Buddhism.
    The many other schools of thinking like the Sophists (mingjia 名家) Hui Shi 惠施, Deng Xizi 登析子 and Gongsun Long 公孫龍 or the Hedonist Yang Zhu 楊朱 cannot be separated from either Mohist thinking nor from Taoism. Most of their theories are only scattered (three examples of Sophist debating: "A white horse is not a horse", statements of Hui Shi and "Zang has three ears"; examples for Hedonist thinking) in different books like the collection Lü Shi Chunqiu 呂氏春秋, whose structure shows the Correlative Thinking of the two principles Yin and Yang 陰陽 and the Five Phases or Elements (wuxing 五行). The relationship between the Hundred Schools and their difference is mostly shown in their unlike interpretation and emphasis of underlying terms like tao 道 ("way"), de 德 ("virtue"), ren 仁 ("humanity"), yi 義 ("righteousness"), li 禮 ("etiquette") and li 理 ("order").
    Recently many unknown books have been unearthed from Warring States tombs. These texts evidently show how important philosophical schools were to help a ruler to survive in a difficult time.
    Except the Hundred Schools, there is still existant an abundant library of books from the period of Warring States. Almost all books said to have been composed during the Zhou Dynasty, were only written down in the last centuries of it. Among these are geographies (the book Shanhaijing 山海經 refers to many magical animals in different regions), books of ritual, historical and poetical character (like most of the so-called Confucian Classics, the Book of Documents Shujing 書經, the Book of Poetry Shijing 詩經, the Book of Changes Yijing 易經 and the Book of Etiquette and Rites Yili 儀禮. A very interesting book is the Poetry of the South (Chu Ci or Chuci) 楚辭 (ascribed to Qu Yuan 屈原), that shows the mystical, nature-bound character of the southern thinking.

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    Very very nice, this will be another one I'm looking out for.

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    序(一)
    序(二)
    围棋本源
    一、话“游戏”
    二、说“田”
    三、话“模仿”
    四、说“天文”
    五、话“地理”
    六、说“建筑”
    七、话“韧”
    基本术语
    八、话“术语”
    九、说“劫”
    十、话“气”
    十一、说“形”
    十二、话“厚”
    十三、说“断”
    十四、话“筋”
    十五、说“腾挪”
    十六、话“应手”
    十七、说“打入”
    十八、话“定形”
    十九、说“弃子”
    二十、话“复盘”
    棋艺纵横
    二十一、话“味”
    二十二、说“美”
    二十三、话“节奏”
    二十四、说“线”
    二十五、话“序化”
    二十六、说“时机”
    二十七、话“转换”
    二十八、说“借径”
    二十九、话“分寸”
    三十、说“品”
    三十一、话“四艺”
    三十二、说“入神”
    纹枰思维
    三十三、话“易”
    三十四、说“因果”
    三十五、话“经纶”
    三十六、说“逻辑”
    三十七、话“模糊”
    三十八、说“感觉”
    三十九、话“现象”
    四十、说“阴阳”
    四十一、话“玄”
    四十二、说“数”
    四十三、话“心理”
    四十四、说“静功”
    四十五、话“棋道”
    四十六、说“韬略”
    枰外功效
    四十七、话“忘忧”
    四十八、说“境界”
    四十九、话“中医”
    五十、说“人文”
    五十一、话“礼”
    五十二、说“企管”
    五十三、话“公关”
    五十四、说“五得”
    小结
    五十五、话“定义”
    五十六、“围棋与人生”对应录

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    what with all the numbers and names? are those the provinces from the map
    Lord of Lucius
    No Matter what Pathes You Take All Lead To Death!

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    No,they are some Igo's nomenclature word.:)
    Last edited by swordolf; 06-15-2005 at 08:23.

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