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    Nail? Meet hammer.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson...0507220816.asp

    Then the Islamists declared war on the United States. A quarter century of mass murdering of Americans followed in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, East Africa, the first effort to topple the World Trade Center, and the attack on the USS Cole.

    We gave billions to Jordan, the Palestinians, and the Egyptians. Afghanistan was saved from the Soviets through U.S. aid. Kuwait was restored after Saddam’s annexation, and the holocaust of Bosnians and Kosovars halted by the American Air Force. Americans welcomed thousands of Arabs to our shores and allowed hundreds of madrassas and mosques to preach zealotry, anti-Semitism, and jihad without much scrutiny.

    Then came September 11 and the almost instant canonization of bin Laden.

    Suddenly, the prior cheap shots at Israel under siege weren’t so cheap. It proved easy to castigate Israelis who went into Jenin, but not so when we needed to do the same in Fallujah.

    It was easy to slander the Israelis’ scrutiny of Arabs in their midst, but then suddenly a few residents in our own country were found to be engaging in bomb making, taking up jihadist pilgrimages to Afghanistan, and mapping out terrorist operations.

    Apparently, the hatred of radical Islam was not just predicated on the “occupation” of the West Bank. Instead it involved the pretexts of Americans protecting Saudi Arabia from another Iraqi attack, the United Nations boycott of Iraq, the removal of the Taliban and Saddam, and always as well as the Crusades and the Reconquista.

    But Europe was supposedly different. Unlike the United States, it was correct on the Middle East, and disarmed after the Cold War. Indeed, the European Union was pacifistic, socialist, and guilt-ridden about former colonialism.
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    I think the author is being foolishly naive. Yes, there is a large element of the population that denied Israel the right to defend itself by pursuing Hamas & Hizbollah into Jenin, and they deny us the right to defend ourselves, in Afghanistan, let alone Fallujah. No offense Prol, but this is rather sophomoric, especially coming from National Review.

    Are YOU surprised a large element of the population believes appeasement of Al Queda is the only way to peace?
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    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
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    No.

    Meanwhile an odd thing happened. It turns out that the jihadists were cowards and bullies, and thus selective in their targets of hatred. A billion Chinese were left alone by radical Islam — even though the Chinese were secularists and mostly godless, as well as ruthless to their own Uighur Muslim minorities. Had bin Laden issued a fatwa against Beijing and slammed an airliner into a skyscraper in Shanghai, there is no telling what a nuclear China might have done.
    Your thoughts on this bit?

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    that was my favourite part

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    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
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    This is a myth cultivated in the Western world, by secular fundamentalists. The Chinese DO have terrorist attacks by Islamic fundamentalists. I saw one in Cheng-Du when I was there. This is part of the reason China is trying so hard to shift new development from the coastal Eastern cities to the poorer, less developed Western cities. They understand that working people are too busy to be terrorists. What's more, they arent' afraid to kill anyone and everyone involved, and freedom of the press over there is uh, well, it's lacking.

    That statement does have some merit however. The Jihadists aren't morons, they will continue to deploy the majority of their efforts and manpower at the softest targets, especially those that offer the biggest payout in terms of 'moral victory', such as taking Tibet (home of Buddhism) or Israel, or Rome.
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    the same thing goes for India but, like China, they don't bend over backwards to attempt to accomodate the desires of the terrorists.

    Thailand hasn't gone the western route after terror attacks either.

    I was under the impression that the "Islamic " terror in China was more about the flood of non-muslims into previously muslim areas and an associated (primarily) ethnic conflict rather than being a jihadish international panIslam v. China conflict.
    The Chinese govt. does likes to portray it as the latter: if it is still the former I can still see why they would do this.
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    No more appeasment. No more coddling. No more support. If corrupt mullahs want to hate us, so be it. We do have the finest military in the world. The finest special forces in the world. If someone threatens, why not use the force? Oh wait...we did that. And now the liberals are using that war for their own selfish ends.

    Israel is the one working democracy in the whole region. Why not support them? I've been a strong supporter of Israel ever since I learned exactly what they had to do to get a nation of their own. Sure, maybe the nation was imposed on the arabs who lived there, but why did the arabs leave? The Jews never forced them out. The arabs left of their own accord and could have returned. Until they were brainwashed and began to become bombs.

    If the US trains half the world's terrorists, why not realize that and forbid ANY nationals from Mulism thug-ocracies from entering our universities?

    Don, how exactly is he being naive? He has pointed out that cowards make good targets and that appeasment fails.

    And no, I am not surprised that a large segment of our population (I believe that is what your question meant) believes appeasment is the way to go. For some reason so much of the media blames us for what has happened and that has filtered to too many people. I don't know why this got started, but appeasment does not work. The media and liberals refuse to believe that. Why? I don't know. Protection money fails. But then...it is easier to pay and hope (not pray mind you, since there is no God) then to confront the problem at its source. The Cold War was hard, but we won because we would not appease the Soviets. Why is this any different? Because the suicide bombers can attack us here? Well why in the hell can we not attack them in their homes too? Oh wait...that is cruel.

    It is not my fault their nations are poor and stupid and useless except for oil.

    "Perhaps the jihadist killing was not over the West Bank or U.S. hegemony after all, but rather symptoms of a global pathology of young male Islamic radicals blaming all others for their own self-inflicted miseries, convinced that attacks on the infidel would win political concessions, restore pride, and prove to Israelis, Europeans, Americans — and about everybody else on the globe — that Middle Eastern warriors were full of confidence and pride after all."

    And do not blame me for their failings. They must take responsibility upon themselves.

    Azi
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    Dane-Geld by Rudyard Kipling

    It is allways a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say:-
    'We invaded you last night, we are quite prapared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.'



    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
    And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

    It is allways a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say:-
    'Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to
    meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.'

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we've proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.

    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray:
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say:-

    We never pay ANY-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that plays it is lost!'

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