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    The IRA have just released a statement in which they apparently totally and utterly disarm, completely stop all criminal activity and from now on will pursue entirely peaceful and legal activities. Ive only heard some extracts on local radio, I havent found the full document yet.


    Edit: Here is the statement in full.



    The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann has formally ordered an end to the armed campaign.

    This will take effect from 4pm [1600 BST] this afternoon.

    All IRA units have been ordered to dump arms.

    All Volunteers have been instructed to assist the development of purely political and democratic programmes through exclusively peaceful means.

    Volunteers must not engage in any other activities whatsoever.

    The IRA leadership has also authorised our representative to engage with the IICD [Independent International Commission on Decommissioning] to complete the process to verifiably put its arms beyond use in a way which will further enhance public confidence and to conclude this as quickly as possible.

    We have invited two independent witnesses, from the Protestant and Catholic churches, to testify to this.

    The Army Council took these decisions following an unprecedented internal discussion and consultation process with IRA units and Volunteers.

    We appreciate the honest and forthright way in which the consultation process was carried out and the depth and content of the submissions.

    We are proud of the comradely way in which this truly historic discussion was conducted. The outcome of our consultations show very strong support among IRA Volunteers for the Sinn Fein peace strategy.

    There is also widespread concern about the failure of the two governments and the unionists to fully engage in the peace process.

    This has created real difficulties. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland fully support this process.

    They and friends of Irish unity throughout the world want to see the full implementation of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Notwithstanding these difficulties our decisions have been taken to advance our republican and democratic objectives, including our goal of a united Ireland.

    We believe there is now an alternative way to achieve this and to end British rule in our country. It is the responsibility of all Volunteers to show leadership, determination and courage.

    We are very mindful of the sacrifices of our patriot dead, those who went to jail, Volunteers, their families and the wider republican base.

    We reiterate our view that the armed struggle was entirely legitimate. We are conscious that many people suffered in the conflict.

    There is a compelling imperative on all sides to build a just and lasting peace. The issue of the defence of nationalist and republican communities has been raised with us.

    There is a responsibility on society to ensure that there is no re-occurrence of the pogroms of 1969 and the early 1970s.

    There is also a universal responsibility to tackle sectarianism in all its forms.

    The IRA is fully committed to the goals of Irish unity and independence and to building the Republic outlined in the 1916 Proclamation.

    We call for maximum unity and effort by Irish republicans everywhere. We are confident that by working together Irish republicans can achieve our objectives.

    Every Volunteer is aware of the import of the decisions we have taken and all Oglaigh are compelled to fully comply with these orders.

    There is now an unprecedented opportunity to utilise the considerable energy and goodwill which there is for the peace process.

    This comprehensive series of unparalleled initiatives is our contribution to this and to the continued endeavours to bring about independence and unity for the people of Ireland.
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    If this is true, i hope Protestant paramilitaries would do the same.

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    The IRA is to stand down. A statement issued by the privisionals within the last half hour says they have formally ordered an end to their armed campaign from 4 o'clock this afternoon. All IRA units have also been ordered to dump their arms and assist with the development of purely political and democratic programmes through exclusively peaceful means. The statement adds that IRA Volunteers have been told not engage in any other activities whatsoever. The IRA says its remains fully committed to the goals of Irish unity and independence. So far there has been no reaction from Dublin or London. However the Taoiseach is expected to hold a news briefing at Government buildings around 1 o'clock. The Sinn Fein leadership will give its reaction at a city centre press conference later this afternoon.
    from newstalk.

    This is all I could get so far. All the major news services are taking their time on this.
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    Good news if it happens , but this bit.....
    The leadership said it will invite one witness each from the Protestant and Catholic churches to witness the disarmament.
    ....looks like it will lead to a repeat of the blocking of disarmament that happened last time .

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    Why doesn't the government ban religion. If I was Blair, that's what I would do. No religion, no fighting. Simple, no?

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    Religion's got very little to do with it.

    Tribesman, I agree, they should have gone all the way. But I think this differs from other times in that they are saying, "This is what we are going to do", as opposed to "This is what we are prepared to do".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Why doesn't the government ban religion. If I was Blair, that's what I would do. No religion, no fighting. Simple, no?
    Actually, if you did that EVERYONE would be blowing London and Belfast up, not just the IRA and the Protestants.

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    Excellent news for the future of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Perhaps now we can look forward to reasonable peaceful negotiations without the threat of violence looming over at all times.
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    Meh, they've said this before. It might work, and I hope it does, but I have a feeling that some of the splinter groups will just go full-time in organised crime, instead of part-time.

    And Bertie has confirmed (again) that the McCabe killers arn't going to be released early

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    It is very good news - I just hope we can sort out the final details of the peace and political plan.
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    What seems so good about this announcement is that it is very definitive, and not like previous announcements, which were very much 'if' statements. The language that they use, that the IRA would be purely political, seems very much that the IRA is serious about this. But we'll just have to wait and see.
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    What do you British and Irishmen think of the movie "Patriot Games", particularly the depiction of the Irish conflict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus
    What seems so good about this announcement is that it is very definitive, and not like previous announcements, which were very much 'if' statements. The language that they use, that the IRA would be purely political, seems very much that the IRA is serious about this. But we'll just have to wait and see.
    I also hope this is what actually happens concerning the IRA and their disarmentment.

    Thanks for the good news on this Martyr
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Patriot Games is a crock of shit to put it bluntly The depiction of the conflict is fairly silly. There are much better films, see a film called Nothing Personal, a much better film imo

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    Both the book and the movie "Patriot Games" are, although entertaining, a load of bollocks in terms of the portrayal of the conflict, as BKB said. Same goes for the other Hollywood movies that involve or mention the IRA.

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    Oh.. so a normal hollywood interpretation of things then?

    It was a good movie though..

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    Same goes for the other Hollywood movies that involve or mention the IRA.
    Same goes for the other Hollywood movies that any mention historical events or indeed many present day events.
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    With the current development, they have realized that it's not a good idea to be a terrorist....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    Part of me is happy that they have laid down their arms; another part of me is sad that they might fade into the background.

    I don't care too much about the IRA or Ireland, but my family comes from a long line of IRA supporters.
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    ....looks like it will lead to a repeat of the blocking of disarmament that happened last time .
    Further to my earlier post , it looks like the same crap is going to happen again . On top of his usual "No, Never , No , Not ever , No Surrender , Scrap the peace deal" crap Paisley has once again said that he will not accept this as an act of decommissioning .
    Also he is having trouble understanding this bit ...
    Volunteers must not engage in any other activities whatsoever.
    ....he wants further clarification of "any other activities whatsoever" that seems very easy to understand to me , so what is his problem ?

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    Well If the IRA do what they say they will do everyone will be very happy.

    but. I am skeptical about it. I will wait for proof about it first before I celebrate about it though.

    Partiot Games' depiction of it is just so silly it's funny.

    And I do hope the Loyallist paramilitaries do follow because the current conflict serves noones purposes.

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    Partiot Games' depiction of it is just so silly it's funny.
    What did you think of the depiction in "Ressurection Man" Shades ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    But one cannot deny Patriot Games was a good book. I'm a sucker for that whole Jack Ryan series.
    specially the ones with a lot of John Kelly /Mr. Clark in there
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    To somehow make a hero like figure out of Lennie Murphy, the Leader of the Shankill Butchers confuses me. The gang were complete cowards and killed Catholics( and Protestants) in the most hideous and brutal ways possible and this film seems to glamorize the violence.


    Nothing Personal is much better imo and i'd rather read Martin Dillons books to be honest than watch RM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Partiot Games' depiction of it is just so silly it's funny.
    What did you think of the depiction in "Ressurection Man" Shades ?
    I haven't seen it. I'll have to rent it out and try to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    Ah, yeah. I'm just gonna asume you've read "Without Remorse" then. Very good book.
    you assume correctly ....great book...and one of my favourites in the series next to october and bear/dragon.

    haven´t read the last one(rabbit) yet tough.
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    Thats strange Blind King , I didn't think it "glamourised" the murderers at all .
    I thought it showed them to be brutal murderers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    That would be the only one I have not read, as well. Apparently it's a prequel between Patriot Games and Hunt for Red October, according to Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy#Fiction
    It's quite a good book not his best but good enough. The large amount of British bashing is very annoying for me though.

    IIRC it's just after Patriot Games (a few months maybe)

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    £100bn+ estimated financual cost

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