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[sharrukin]

One suggestion. Stop referring to libarel (sic) and conservative!

It's a bu**sh*t dichotomy that does everything to advance ignorance and hamper understanding. Trying to apply what is in itself a mistaken view of contemporary US politics into a grand theory of politics and history would be laughable if it wasn't so predominant and all pervading on this board.

You need to start off with a basic grasp of political theory and history before even beginning to label the Nazi's political beliefs.

Generally scholars have described the manifestation of facism in the early 20th century as a 'black bolshevism'. The idea being that the growing communist movements were in places taken over by capitalists for their own ends. Mussolini in Italy and Moseley in Britain wree both originally socialists (of wealthy backgrounds) but switched to facism.

One of the key differences between socialism and facism is it's treatment of the means of production. Socialists see trade unions and workers committees as the natural place to distribute control of the means of production. Facists do the opposite. They make such groups illegal and give greater powers to the bosses. Some of your quotes from Hitler seem to contradict this - but judge a tree by it's fruit - most of what he said as well as the word 'socialist' in National Socialist was merely a bit of window dressing. At no point in Nazi Germany was the place of non-jewish capitalist ever under threat.

As for Stalin working with capitalists.. I don't quite know where you plucked that from - your imagination?

Now when you have understood the basics. And I suggest you do some further reading. Barrington Moore - the Origins of Democracy and Dictatorship is a good starting point. Only then can you look at some similarities and cross overs between the nazis and the KDP in 1930's Germany.

Well the point is that not all socialist groups are the same, nor are all liberals. Some of either group are a long way from being open minded.
I agree, the Left-Right spectrum is more than a little inadequate.

This is a rather good example of what I meant!

[Tribesman]

As for Stalin working with capitalists.. I don't quite know where you plucked that from - your imagination?
Off topic , but Ford motors springs to mind, then I suppose Krupp aswell.

[Azi Tohak]

Beating somebody from the British Isles will be tough. If you cannot already beat an American on grammar, I'd get my money back from the company from which you bought the tapes.

I had no idea how bad we were until my wife got pregnant. I am receiving grammar lessons all over again.

What does pregnancy have to do with grammar?

No, I can't spell, but I'd like to think I have well grammer. Wouldn't you agreed?



There is a Family Guy (did I just shoot myself in the foot?) where they make a crack about Brits superior English skills. I love that scene.

Azi

[sharrukin]

As for Stalin working with capitalists.. I don't quite know where you plucked that from - your imagination?
Off topic , but Ford motors springs to mind, then I suppose Krupp aswell.

You are correct. Armand Hammer is another.
There are a lot more than that as well, but there is little point to arguing with someone like that as they have absolutely no intention of listening to anyone elses point of view. He opens with vulgarity and personal insults. What exactly would be the point of such a discussion?

[Don Corleone]

She corrects me on every slight little offense, on the grounds she does not (see, doesn't shouldn't be used in writing, except in quotes) want our little bundle of joy to pick up my frequently incorrect speech patterns. The is another issue I need to be working on.