[BI] Adding a new religion

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Well been able to add manichaeism and Arianism but I cant get the religions to appear in the regions (cities). Only the old religion shows with 80 % (so 80 % in all) when I added manichaeism 20 %. I checked everything and deleted the rmw map but still don´t see the religious breakdown. What could be the problem?

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Edit an example:

Babylonia
legion: Parthica
Ctesiphon
sassanids
Persians
177 58 167
iron, slaves, silk, elephants, camels, sughdian
5
9
manichaeism 20 zoroastrian 80

Manichaeism is present with a symbol under conversions but no symbol appears under religious breakdown. Most peculiar

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Found it, I spelled manichaeism with a M instead of m like this...puh, finally.

manichaeism
data/ui/pips/pip_religion_pagan_positive.tga
data/ui/pips/pip_religion_pagan_negative.tga
data/ui/pips/pip_religion_pagan.tga
MANICHAEISM_LABEL
MANICHAEISM_UNREST
MANICHAEISM_ORDER

[Mouzafphaerre]

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[Mouzafphaerre]

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[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Thanks but next problem

Newly added religions do not cause unrest. I searched but could not find any solution. Ideas? Ie the religions appear but they don´t have "unrest" effect

[alpaca]

Ye, I'm aware of the problem and currently snooping around about this.
I'll edit it into the tutorial, too.

[Rodion Romanovich]

I have an idea that might be interesting to check out. Have you tried making any added religion a majority in a settlement? Does it still not cause unrest? Frankly in RTW-BI vanilla I haven't seen both zoroastrianism and paganism cause unrest at the same time in a Christian settlement. A possible theory could be that only the strongest non-official religion can cause unrest in a settlement.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

I have an idea that might be interesting to check out. Have you tried making any added religion a majority in a settlement? Does it still not cause unrest? Frankly in RTW-BI vanilla I haven't seen both zoroastrianism and paganism cause unrest at the same time in a Christian settlement. A possible theory could be that only the strongest non-official religion can cause unrest in a settlement.

Nope, does not work that way

Media
legion: Parthica
Arsakia
sassanids
Sughdians
58 167 177
iron, slaves, silk, camels, sughdian
5
6
manichaeism 70 zoroastrian 30

No unrest

[Meneldil]

Well, in your case, 'manichaeism 70' shouldn't cause unrest, because it's the official religion. Now, if 'zoroastrian 30' doesn't cause unrest, there's obviously a problem.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Well, in your case, 'manichaeism 70' shouldn't cause unrest, because it's the official religion. Now, if 'zoroastrian 30' doesn't cause unrest, there's obviously a problem.

Yep, a majority religion should not cause unrest but as you point out neither does zoroastrian which is peculiar. The new religion is not connected to the unrest feature as it is. You could add a new religion building to model it but that is not a real solution. Must look into this more

[alpaca]

You have to keep in mind that the official religion is that of the religious building and not that of the majority of believers.
I don't have any results so far, but I'll look a little more into it this evening.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

You have to keep in mind that the official religion is that of the religious building and not that of the majority of believers.
I don't have any results so far, but I'll look a little more into it this evening.

Good luck, seems difficult I will check too

[Andreas]

I was looking a bit on this today, not as much as I wanted, but still a bit... It's irritating that the new religions don't effect, but for our project we don't really need more then three religions, but still it would be nice if we could have more... anyway, have someone tried to remove the three first, and then added your own, keeping nothing of the old? And if you have, has they caused unrest now? Because in my eyes, if they don't cause unrest after the three first have been removed, it smells hardcoded to me.

If no one has done this, I might try tomorrow...

[Meneldil]

Bernhard > So it would appear that the game can't handle the effect of unrest if there's more than 3 religions ?

You have to keep in mind that the official religion is that of the religious building and not that of the majority of believers.
I don't have any results so far, but I'll look a little more into it this evening.

If I'm not fooling myself, there should be an unrest anyway, if there are 2 religions in a city

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Bernhard > So it would appear that the game can't handle the effect of unrest if there's more than 3 religions ?



If I'm not fooling myself, there should be an unrest anyway, if there are 2 religions in a city

Seems so but I am not a mod expert at all. Maybe some wizard will find out how to mod in unrest for new religions if this is not hardcoded.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

I was looking a bit on this today, not as much as I wanted, but still a bit... It's irritating that the new religions don't effect, but for our project we don't really need more then three religions, but still it would be nice if we could have more... anyway, have someone tried to remove the three first, and then added your own, keeping nothing of the old? And if you have, has they caused unrest now? Because in my eyes, if they don't cause unrest after the three first have been removed, it smells hardcoded to me.

If no one has done this, I might try tomorrow...

Nope have not tried that yet, busy adding religious buildings at the moment but if you have tested let me know

[alpaca]

Well I changed the order in the descr_belief file and only the three religions that appear first in it cause unrest.
So if you shift e.g. zoroastrian to the end and insert another religion in the 3rd slot, the newly inserted religion causes unrest but zoroastrianism doesn't.
I think this is hardcoded, but I'm not completely sure.

[Andreas]

Yes, I have tested this too... removed all starting religons with my own, no problem(hell of alot of replacing though... context rocks)... But the fourth wont work. Seems hardcoded, yes... too bad. I hope they patch it.... seems unlikely they would though.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

Sad to hear since this would have been a very interesting feature. Wonder if the "conversion" effect is broken too? I have tried to implement some changes but so far not been able to mod it correctly. I will try again and if I fail I might post my chnages for opinions on what I am doing wrong.

[Andreas]

the conversion work for the three first in the list at least... I haven't been able to test more yet.

[Bernhard of Clairvaux]

the conversion work for the three first in the list at least... I haven't been able to test more yet.

I tried to test using my mod for Manichaeism and Arianism (using Alpaca´s instructions) yesterday but I could not launch the game so something went wrong. I have checked my mods carefully but can´t find the problem. I have now posted a thread in the mod question forum so if anyone reading here care to review my work please feel free to do so and hopefully my material may come to use at some point

[Andreas]

Hmm seems like I have a strange problem... Look here:
http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload3/isthisit.JPG
You see the problem? That is the wrong text for that line...

Another interesting thing would be to add belief figures to a spy, and put him in one settlement and see if he effects it:) I'll have to try someday.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Andreas, could you please tell how you did to get the right icons for the religions? Where did you put them and what format and size should the icon have? Then it's easier for me to help testing the edited religions.

[alpaca]

Conversion works fine.

[Andreas]

You create a ui folder in you original rome data folder, in that ui folder you create a folder named pips and put them in there.

TGA's, 16x16 px.

Should be added to the guide:)

Edit: alpaca: good:)

[alpaca]

Ok, 24 bit TGAs?

Edit: Oh dear, it really has to be added to the R:TW base dir, you can't put it into a mod directory...
I'll edit it in.

[Andreas]

I used 32 bit, so i guess any is ok.

And as for your descr:
The pips have to be 24-bit TGA files with 16x16 pixels size. The directory information is resolved to the original R:TW base directory, so you have to create a folder called "Rome: Total War/data/ui/" then "/data/ui/pips" and put the images in there.
Might be read as the folder should be:Rome: Total War/data/ui/data/ui/pips if you're new to modding?

[alpaca]

Hmm true.

[Andreas]

Of course;)

Well, I tested spies for effecting the conversion rate... didn't work:( To bad, could have been a cool strategical element, create havoc with hidden preachers.