How to host shogun MP Games.

[Shambles]

Shogun MP Game Hosting.

Ok 1st things 1st
We need to get you on to fakeserver.

I host one, And so does tosa,
Now there are a couple of ways to get yourself on to the fake server,
i will tell you the 1 that needs least amount of editing on your part 1st,

you can Download Shamblestw.exe
http://shoguntw.2ya.com/ShamblesTW.exe
that will allow you to switch between servers, with relitive ease.

If you cant run BAT files please install
Libary files
http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/libraryfiles.exe
I previously added a link to this file that was then replaced with a virus,
But this 1's good


Now most people that are left in the MP shogun community use Warlord edition v1.02

so you probably need to download the official v1.02 patch

This is WE v1.02 UK/US
http://download.activision.com/activ...v1.02_Euro.exe

This is JAPANESE v1.02 Gold edition
http://download.activision.com/activ...Gv1.02_Jap.exe

This is asian v1.02 WE
http://download.activision.com/activ...v1.02_Asia.exe

For other updates visit
http://www.totalwar.com/community/download.htm

Then u can also download Toga's Stats swapper,
So you can switch between game versions
I.e Back to v1.0
This will only work with v1.02
http://snow.prohosting.com/tdrabags/Statswapper.exe


An Alternative way of connecting to fake server is you can edit your internet.cfg file, (so no need to download shamblesTW.exe)

so edit the text in the internet.cfg file located in your shogun game folder
like so

For tosa's server

ChatserverIPAddress	= 212.238.194.39
ChatserverPort 		= 8793
NewsserverIPAddress 	= daphne.eagames.co.uk
NewsserverPort 		= 8797
ShogunTotalWarWebsite 	= www.totalwar.com

or for mine

ChatserverIPAddress	= ShogunTW.no-ip.info
ChatserverPort 		= 8793
NewsserverIPAddress 	= daphne.eagames.co.uk
NewsserverPort 		= 8797
ShogunTotalWarWebsite 	= www.totalwar.com

Then when your In the game
Hit multiplayer
then tick use existing Internet connection

next simply click on Play on EaPlay

It will attempt to connect,
it may take several attempts but will eventualy connect.

Then you are on The fakeserver and able to play multiplayer games and join other peoples hosted games !!!!



As for hosting your own games
SEE POST NUMBER 4

ShambleS

[Drisos]

Thanks for the clear information, shambles. I hope I can fix it soon.

[Shambles]

Please feel free to state The way you connect to the interenet.
Any devices you use to conect to the internet,
Manufacturers namee and Model of your components,

I.e
you are conected to a pc with a wierless network, Through a router. And that pc connects to the internet.


What is a router?

Well heres a picture or 2 of what they COULD look like

*pic removed*-Sasaki
They should not be confused with modems

For details on hosting behind a router.
SEE POST NUMBER 4

"THE NEXT POST"

ShambleS

[Shambles]

Here I adress 2 factors,
1, the fact that It is difficult to log in to fakeserver to play your online games,
And
2, When you host a game people cannot see them.
So please bear with me and read the "article" throughly


Heres the "article"
------------------------------------------
These are the same basic directions You would use to Allow your self to Host any game,
but You would need to know which ports that particular game uses,


These are 2 ports that shogun uses,

8793
AND
18321

It use them For hosting games, and receving UDP's That allow you to see other hosted games,

these 2 ports are always used, So you can open them but id advize you only leave them open for Shogun.

However fake server is begining to puzzle me,
it accepts incoming ports from almost any range,
and every time some 1 logs in the port number changes,

I.e
I log in to fake server and it registers,

My-ip.adress:1200

then trish would log in.
and it would register,

Trish-ip.adress:1201
then some 1 els would log in
and it would use,

There-ip.adress:1202
And so on.

So there is No 1 port number i can give out that will guarantee you a place on fake server,
Infact,

If i told people to open port
1205
This would not neciseraly guarantee that you could connect as that port may not be the one shogun has now decided to use.

But also, Fakeserver dosent always let people log on 1st attempt,
even if shogun is attempting to connect on an unused and open port,

So unfortunatly The only thing i can tell people to do Is just try again untill it does eventualy log on,

Some times it will be 1st time,

for most it will be some where between 1 in 3 and 1 in 7 attempts will connect,

Others may find it even more difficult.

As for hosting games behind a router,
It seems even with the correct ports open.
People cannot host a game sucsessfuly,

This is becous your router conects to the interenet and you then connect to it,

So people only see your routers ip adress and not Your pc's ip adress

I.e
you router registers you on to the internet. and its Ip adress is,
11.11.111.111
and your real ip adress for your pc is
11.22.121.221

The game then registers you on to fakeserver as,
11.11.111.111
When it should register you as
11.22.121.221
So people then cannot see your game,

Heres the deal in more precice detail

When you host a game, other joining players need to be able to connect to your Pc, but when the incoming connection request reaches your router, your router does not know which pc it should forward the request to, so instead it just ignores the request. This is what is happening when other players are unable to join your hosted games.

But dont worry You can Fix this,

The solution is to configure your router to do port forwarding/port mapping. This tells the router to forward requests from certain games directly to your pc's local/private IP address

You should check The documents that came with your router.
As this would tell you how to set up port forwarding correctly for your device,

Your device will be difrent from the next persons device,
so I cant really tell you how to set up yours, But your documentation can.

However, If you dont know where your documentation is.

I can send you to this web page which will help you set up port forwarding,
This Is how you would configure any Game. so people can see your Hosted games,

Remember,
here we are trying to allow SHOGUN to forward the ports, 8793 and 18321, To YOUR pc's local address. "dont say allow all programs to forward to these ports as that could compromize your system security"

this page will dislpay your local adress, and help you configure a multitude of Firewalls and routers to forward the ports needed from your router to your pc,

http://portforward.com/routers.htm

This is the only way people behind a router can host games, and allow people to see them,

Im sorry about the fake server login problem's But really There is nothing we can do about it,
The thing is just Annoying,

P.s
You could tell your router to forward ALL ports that shogun tries to send or receve data on, (port 1 to port 9999) or port range 1-9999

(DO NOT tell it to allow ALL programs to forward ports as this could also comprimise your computers security, But allowing SHOGUN To forward things would Just allow Shogun to do so And there for is safe to do.)

This would guarantee shogun game hosting capabilaties to you,
and could help you log on to fake server slightly faster

"but fake server will still probably take multiple log in attempts to connect"


Thank you for your time,
and I hope this helps you host your online games "not only shogun"

ShambleS




EDIT
this is a link to SpeedTouch. 580 wireless router configuration details,
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...edtouch580.asp

[Cha]

Here I adress 2 factors,
1, the fact that It is difficult to log in to fakeserver to play your online games,
And
2, When you host a game people cannot see them.
So please bear with me and read the "article" throughly


Heres the "article"
------------------------------------------
These are the same basic directions You would use to Allow your self to Host any game,
but You would need to know which ports that particular game uses,


These are 2 ports that shogun uses,

8793
AND
18321

It use them For hosting games, and receving UDP's That allow you to see other hosted games,

these 2 ports are always used, So you can open them but id advize you only leave them open for Shogun.

However fake server is begining to puzzle me,
it accepts incoming ports from almost any range,
and every time some 1 logs in the port number changes,

I.e
I log in to fake server and it registers,

My-ip.adress:1200

then trish would log in.
and it would register,

Trish-ip.adress:1201
then some 1 els would log in
and it would use,

There-ip.adress:1202
And so on.

So there is No 1 port number i can give out that will guarantee you a place on fake server,
Infact,

If i told people to open port
1205
This would not neciseraly guarantee that you could connect as that port may not be the one shogun has now decided to use.

But also, Fakeserver dosent always let people log on 1st attempt,
even if shogun is attempting to connect on an unused and open port,

So unfortunatly The only thing i can tell people to do Is just try again untill it does eventualy log on,

Some times it will be 1st time,

for most it will be some where between 1 in 3 and 1 in 7 attempts will connect,

Others may find it even more difficult.

As for hosting games behind a router,
It seems even with the correct ports open.
People cannot host a game sucsessfuly,

This is becous your router conects to the interenet and you then connect to it,

So people only see your routers ip adress and not Your pc's ip adress

I.e
you router registers you on to the internet. and its Ip adress is,
11.11.111.111
and your real ip adress for your pc is
11.22.121.221

The game then registers you on to fakeserver as,
11.11.111.111
When it should register you as
11.22.121.221
So people then cannot see your game,

Heres the deal in more precice detail

When you host a game, other joining players need to be able to connect to your Pc, but when the incoming connection request reaches your router, your router does not know which pc it should forward the request to, so instead it just ignores the request. This is what is happening when other players are unable to join your hosted games.

But dont worry You can Fix this,

The solution is to configure your router to do port forwarding/port mapping. This tells the router to forward requests from certain games directly to your pc's local/private IP address

You should check The documents that came with your router.
As this would tell you how to set up port forwarding correctly for your device,

Your device will be difrent from the next persons device,
so I cant really tell you how to set up yours, But your documentation can.

However, If you dont know where your documentation is.

I can send you to this web page which will help you set up port forwarding,
This Is how you would configure any Game. so people can see your Hosted games,

Remember,
here we are trying to allow SHOGUN to forward the ports, 8793 and 18321, To YOUR pc's local address. "dont say allow all programs to forward to these ports as that could compromize your system security"

this page will dislpay your local adress, and help you configure a multitude of Firewalls and routers to forward the ports needed from your router to your pc,

http://portforward.com/routers.htm

This is the only way people behind a router can host games, and allow people to see them,

Im sorry about the fake server login problem's But really There is nothing we can do about it,
The thing is just Annoying,

P.s
You could tell your router to forward ALL ports that shogun tries to send or receve data on, (port 1 to port 9999) or port range 1-9999

(DO NOT tell it to allow ALL programs to forward ports as this could also comprimise your computers security, But allowing SHOGUN To forward things would Just allow Shogun to do so And there for is safe to do.)

This would guarantee shogun game hosting capabilaties to you,
and could help you log on to fake server slightly faster

"but fake server will still probably take multiple log in attempts to connect"


Thank you for your time,
and I hope this helps you host your online games "not only shogun"

ShambleS




EDIT
this is a link to SpeedTouch. 580 wireless router configuration details,
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...edtouch580.asp

Should I type in both 8793 and 18321 at the internet file?

[Shambles]

Should I type in both 8793 and 18321 at the internet file?

no they are ports that your pc uses to send data,
Most people wont have a problem, But if you use a router then you may haft to adjust some settings,
Some firewalls may also need to be edited to allow incoming connections, on certain ports.

each process that uses the internet on your pc is allocated a port number,
If these ports arent open then the data cant be receved or sent,

So those ports are the 1s that people must open and then forward to their pc, from their router,

[R'as al Ghul]

UDP or TCP?
Thats the question.
both TCP doesnt seem to work, neither does both UDP.

[Shambles]

i give them udp and tcp.
udp are usualy what let people see your hosted games,
and then it also uses tcp as a nother chanel for data,
Most games use udp for the most part and tcp for a kind of back up

Shogun seems to use tcp most but you need udp to let people see your hosted games,
so both tcp and udp are needed.

heres how i have my shogun setup on my fire wall,

Note that the ports and stuff are only open to Shogun
the same ports can be opend for 1 game alone on routers as well,

I use udp and tcp protocalls and Any other stuff it may need,

And the ports are opend for both local and internet use

[R'as al Ghul]

okay, I've forwarded the ports 8793 & 18321. Both UDP and TCP.
However there're a few questions left.
My settings:

Protokoll  	Port  	to IP-Address  	to Port  	
UDP  		8793 	192.168.178.20 	8793

The IP is my local machine. The setting looks similar in all 4 cases.
Notice the last column "to port". Is 8793 in this case correct?
Or should it be something different?

Another issue is UPnP. My router has it activated for
transmission of status-request (sorry, translation here).
Under WinXP I like to have it deactivated.
I guess I need to change that?

Anyone who can host and is behind
a router, can you please share your settings with us?

[Drisos]

I have done about the same.

Entered 10.0.0.138 as my router IP-adress, and forwarded ports 8793 and 18321 both tcp and udp.

R'as checked for me but he couldn't see the game.

Shambles, what can it be?



darn router!

[Drisos]

I the those ports. It should work now shouldn't it?

I only can't figure out how to let shogun only use them.

Hope it works.

P.S.: This thread should be stickyfied.

EDIT: thanks for the link in your post. That's my router. I now managed to open ports.

[R'as al Ghul]

Are you really sure about the port numbers, Shambles?
Where are they from?

I know for a fact that I've my router configured properly
and from the screenshot that drisos provided I can tell
that he's done the right thing too (that is if the IP-address
is correct).

You should also correct your post because you're
mixing up IP and port several times.
No offense but this topic really gets on my nerves.

GAH!

[R'as al Ghul]

drisos,

we made a mistake in your settings.
It just occured to me. You're reaching your
router interface under 10.0.0.138. This also means that
your local machine has a different IP. This
other IP is the one that you need to enter for the
port-forwarding.
Because the router is already visible on the web.
What we want to "see" is your local machine.

But, I've got it correct and it still isn't working.

[R'as al Ghul]

Desperate attempt to host #X:

Ok, here's what I did to ckeck my router's portforwarding.
There's this low budget game "Soldat". Google it, it's the first result.
The free 12MB download comes with a dedicated server exe and the game exe.
So I set up a dedicated server, forwarded the required udp port, called my brother
and told him to login. Worked immediatly.
This test proves that my portforwarding settings are ok.

Next thing I tried was running the Fakeserver for Shogun.
I set it up, fired up the game (after editing my own internet-IP into
Internet.cfg) and connected to my own fakeserver.
My Firewall then prompted me that the Fakeserver was
being contacted my a "remote machine" (that was me), I accepted
the incoming connection and was thereby connected to myself via
Internet. This proves that the portforwarding of 8793 works properly.

As far as I can see, my settings are correct. I suspect that Shogun uses
more than two ports. Medieval uses at least six.

Shambles has opened a whole range of 10.000 ports (or was it 1.000?).
This is something I can't do on my router. There's no possibility
to enter a port range. Every port has to be edited manually.
So, I'd really appreciate if someone could determine, perhaps checking his
firewall's log files, the correct ports.

And yes, I'll keep talking to myself here until I get answers.

[Drisos]

This also means that
your local machine has a different IP.

OK. But how do I find out what IP adress my local machine has?

[R'as al Ghul]

You have to run the program "Ipconfig".
Open the command line tool.
This has to be somewhere in your start menu.
If you don't find it, open the "Run"-menupoint
and type cmd into it. Hit return. A window with black
background should open, offering a commandline.
Enter "ipconfig" without "".
The first line in return shows your IP.
This IP needs to be entered instead of the one
already showing in the router interface screeny.

However there's one issue with this,
atm I've no idea if your machine keeps this
number or is assigned a different one by the router
every time (once per day). So this might work only
one time for you.
But I promise you drisos, as soon as I find it out,
I'll do everything to get your machine to do what
mine does.

[Drisos]

But I promise you drisos, as soon as I find it out,
I'll do everything to get your machine to do what
mine does.

Thanks for all the help R'as! I really appriciate you taking the effort to help this tech-noob out. I hope we both solve the hosting problems.



I'll try now.

[Drisos]

I used 'run' from the start menu and typed 'ipconfig'

some screen appeared, with a black background and some text. Problem is, it disappears after less then a second and I can't read that fast.

Any other method? Or a way not to let the screen dissappear right away?

[R'as al Ghul]

You're almost there.
Use "run" again and type "cmd".
The black window opens and stays open.
Now enter "ipconfig".
When done hit the "X" of the window to close.
Entering "exit" may also work.

[Drisos]

So:

1) enter "cmd" in "run"

what should happen then?

2) enter "ipconfig" in "run"

-when i enter after typing "cmd", there is a message 'the program (or some parts of it) could not be found. Check if the path is right and if the necessary library's are there'

-after that, instantly "ipconfig" appears in "run" but it still disappears when i run it

sorry for my lacking english. I got that message in dutch and couldn't translate it better.

[PaolinoPaperino]

in that case search for the file:
cmd.exe
(between hidden files & system too) and launch it manually.

[Drisos]

Can't find it.

I entered "cmd" found other files with "cmd" in it's name.
I entered "cmd.exe" found nothing
I tried looking for .exe files with "cmd", found nothing

Beginning to think I don't have the file . . . :(

Are you sure I have that file?

Isn't there any other way? It still doesn't work...

[R'as al Ghul]

drisos,

every Windows OS has the MS-DOS-Command line.
If your search for cmd.exe doesn't return anything it's not there.
It may be that you haven't installed it.
Please go to System Control Panel/Software/Windows-components

Each component has an additional detail tab. Open them all until you come
across the command line tool.

Once you have it installed, entering "cmd" in "Run.." opens a black window
that stays open. Here you enter the "ipconfig" command.

[Drisos]

OK I'll try.

[Drisos]

every Windows OS has the MS-DOS-Command line.
If your search for cmd.exe doesn't return anything it's not there.
It may be that you haven't installed it.
Please go to System Control Panel/Software/Windows-components
Each component has an additional detail tab. Open them all until you come
across the command line tool.
Once you have it installed, entering "cmd" in "Run.." opens a black window
that stays open. Here you enter the "ipconfig" command.

Windows OS? what means the OS actually

I couldn't find the 'command line tool' maybe if you tell me what it is I can translate into Dutch and find it in the System CP

Should I install it with my windows CD-rom? We lost it. I do have a map called options/cabs in windows which contains all that was on the CD-rom, so I might be able to install it anyway.

im puzzled!

[R'as al Ghul]

OS=Operating System


This is how the command-tool looks like.
The german word is "Eingabeaufforderung"
Notice the icon with the "C:\" prompt.
Look out for that.

[R'as al Ghul]

I did some more testing and have the feeling that I'm very close.

When hosting a LAN game Shogun listens to UDP 2290.
When hosting a game on fakeserver it listens to TCP 2467.

And then there're also the ports for directplay
6515 (Dplay UDP)
6500 (Query Port)

I'll try to test those ports asap.

[Drisos]

I found the program and entered ipconfig:



But now? what is my IP?

Let's host.

Good luck and hope we solve it, R'as.

[Shambles]

Lots of posts here,

Ive been a lil busy so havent seen any of these earlier,

The port numbers i found in my firewall.
I checked the port numbers that shogun uses when conecting to games and crating hosted games,
also it connects to fakeserver through a port so that has been added to.

My firewall tells me that, shogun uses
port 1683
and
port 18321
It also connects to fakeserver on
port 8793,

aslong as you can forward the the datais to the right place those ports are what you need,

I.e

your real ip adress is,
123.456.789

and your router ip is 122.333.444

id expect it to be

inside adress 123.456.789:8793 outside adress 122.333.444:8793

inside adress 123.456.789:18321 outside adress 122.333.444:18321

[R'as al Ghul]

Anytime I host a game, doesn't matter if own fakeserver,
Shambles fake, or LAN my machine
listens to a random (so it seems) UDP port.
I've had several. In fact each time a different one.

I'd like to try to host a game, alt tab to my firewall,
check out which UDP it listens to, open that port,
alt tab back into lobby to check if people can see/join.