Faction List for EB2?

[CaesarAugustus]

No, actually they have one less province slot in M2TW.

[Birka Viking]

It would be nice to see those factions..
Belgae
Galatia
Mauryan Empire
cisalpine gaul
Numidia
and some other german tribe.

[Wolfman]

Ouch! Didn't know that. It would be nice if CA gave them a little more to work with in terms of more Faction and Province Slots. I guess i'll just have to numidia's then.

[Boyar Son]

Damn isn't that list just about what we have now? not even a new IBERIAN faction.

They were not united! And bosphorus? I never even knew they were there own faction...I prefer an Iberian faction over them!!

[CaesarAugustus]

I've seen a lot of people mention Cisalpine Gaul as a faction. Was northern Italy ever united under one Celtic banner? I thought that there were just a whole bunch of Celtic tribes that migrated over the Alps.

[Xtiaan72]

Are there actually less MII province slots than Rome? How many less.....That could cripple an M2 EB.

[Sarcasm]

The very concept of an Iberian faction is ridiculous in the way you're putting it. It'd be like saying "Asia Minor faction" which could be cultures as dissimilar as Galatia, Pontus, Pergamon, Bythinia...etc..

Iberia was not a homogeneous place. So, in theory you can portray one of the diverse tribal confederations that did exist at the time. The most important ones being the Lusitani in the West, the Arevaci in the centre and the Ilergetes in the East. There are others of course but these showed a particular sense of common-nation that others lacked.

To be completely honest, only the Arevaci (not all celtiberians), would qualify for a faction spot. They were strong and capable of mobilizing sizeable alliances against outside threats and internally they seeked to control some of the other celtiberians, garrisoning cities and such mostly at a later time (around the time of the Roman invasion).

[Anthony]

I've seen a lot of people mention Cisalpine Gaul as a faction. Was northern Italy ever united under one Celtic banner? I thought that there were just a whole bunch of Celtic tribes that migrated over the Alps.

Cisalpine Gaul was a number of tribal petty kingdoms. A few of them were kind of powerful, but the most powerful of much relevance (Insubres) were analogues of the Aedui's confederation, and the Italian Boii, who just don't seem overtly appealing, considering they were not as developed as the central European Boii. There's an Aedui province already in place in Cisalpine Gaul (for the Insubre vassals). Maybe Ligurians, but they're not Gauls.

[Boyar Son]

The very concept of an Iberian faction is ridiculous in the way you're putting it. It'd be like saying "Asia Minor faction" which could be cultures as dissimilar as Galatia, Pontus, Pergamon, Bythinia...etc..

Iberia was not a homogeneous place. So, in theory you can portray one of the diverse tribal confederations that did exist at the time. The most important ones being the Lusitani in the West, the Arevaci in the centre and the Ilergetes in the East. There are others of course but these showed a particular sense of common-nation that others lacked.

To be completely honest, only the Arevaci (not all celtiberians), would qualify for a faction spot. They were strong and capable of mobilizing sizeable alliances against outside threats and internally they seeked to control some of the other celtiberians, garrisoning cities and such mostly at a later time (around the time of the Roman invasion).

Thats exactly what I was talking about...

[Sarcasm]

Sorry, not your post I was referring too, I was talking about the one on Ortus Romani. My bad.

[Boyar Son]

Really! but another Ibrian faction would at least portray the number of factions there even though there was alot. You think the Numantine could be added?

[Sarcasm]

I can tell you my opinion, which some members share too. An African faction would be a great way to mix around in Carthage's backdoor, and keep them busy (since right now it's pretty much their playing ground with no more sand wars to fight and Ptolemies now actually getting a challenge from the Seleukids).

[Sir Edward]

If another african faction is needed why not consider Cyrene? Didn't Magas rule it independently at the start of EB's time frame? It would be great to have it as a thorn in the side of both Carthage and Egypt. Also would be a nice solution to the sand wars.

[Rilder]

Why don't you just expand the map? From what I heard you have more than enough Province slots to include India.

EB has to lose 1 province in m2:tw, the maps not expanding...

[russia almighty]

ehh even though as an Ethiopian I would love to see an Axum faction they wouldn't be at there highest level of power till the 4th century A.D onward.

[Sarcasm]

If another african faction is needed why not consider Cyrene? Didn't Magas rule it independently at the start of EB's time frame? It would be great to have it as a thorn in the side of both Carthage and Egypt. Also would be a nice solution to the sand wars.

Indeed. Kyrene is one of the faction's to be considered, among others, but one of the reasons to include it will not be the sand wars. AFAIK, and in my personal experience, that doesn't happen anymore.

[Swebozbozboz]

I vote roman civil war factions, to keep it interesting.


and without a doubt more iberian factions. celtiberians?

and an eastern germanic faction to keep the sweboz from invading the steppes, i wish they would try to invade gaul more.

[CaesarAugustus]

I really think that Northern India should be represented by some faction, because it seems really.... unrealistic that you could just take "rebel" cities (important, wealthy cities at that) from the Mauryans without having the subcontinental empire retaliating with a vengeance...

I really hate to quote myself, but I just thought of a potential solution to this. I am mod-retarded so correct me if I'm wrong, but would it not be possible to spawn large Eleutheroi armies in the corner of N. India when a faction takes a city there? That would represent the emperor of the Mauryans retaliating, so if you defeat the invaders then you have the provinces for good.

If I'm not mistaken Carthage often gets attacked by Numidian Eleutheroi at the start of the game, though I'm not sure if that is scripted or not. If it is though, then spawning a "Mauryan" army would eliminate the need for an Indian half-faction, and the game would be just a little more realistic. Like I said earlier, you cannot just expect to take rich cities from an empire that rivals the Successor states in power without a counter-attack.

If this is possible it could even be in EB 1.0, but I'm sure the team has more important things to do, just a humble suggestion.

In EB2, the Mauryan Satrapy/Province that Krusader said is possible is a much better idea, though.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Spawning an army by script is quite possible I believe.

[Ailfertes]

1) Roman 'civil war' faction, since it was such an important thing in late republic history. The M2TW system probably offers more possibilities than the BI one, I think, since in M2 your generals and armies can betray you on the field rather than cities that rebel. Maybe certain traits and conditions (like selfish and maybe a new 'over-ambitious' trait, than a minimum of 25 regions or so as a condition + marian reforms) could aid in this.
2) Belgae
3) Kartli faction indeed seems reasonable.
4) Pergamon
5) Tauri (don't know much about their history though, just seen them on an ancient map)
6) Yuezhi as an appearing faction.
7) Erainn
8) Teutones?
9) Galatians
10) The Soviet Union

[TunaMaker]

I would like to echo the call for a Cyrene faction. I think they would be very fun to play. Perhaps they would look like a mix of Koinon Hellenon, Egypt, Carthage, and Numidia.

TM

[Kralizec]

10) The Soviet Union

I don't know. They'd have to be an emerging faction and the party structure is impossible to represent given the RTW family system. Plus I predict the forum will be flooded with a "red tide" of communists complaining that the faction isn't accurately represented. The EB team probably shouldn't touch this.

[Boyar Son]

We could always spawn invasions and sometimes raides by the Dal Raidans.

[Will_YouFight_ForME]

i would think it would be a faction that would last for maybe the entire campaign or have some major impact on history

i would hope they would add a rebel romanii faction
that only appear when scripted (CIVIL WAR)

a Numidian faction would be good, to control cathage expansion
parthia would be good?
i'm not so sure about my eastern empires but does Parthia exist already in EB?

anyways

1. Rebel romanii faction
2. Numidian faction
3. 2nd germanic faction

[CaesarAugustus]

Parthia exists in EB as the Pahlava.

[Anthony]

We could always spawn invasions and sometimes raides by the Dal Raidans.

Dal Riadans wouldn't exist yet by a longshot.

[Boyar Son]

Dal Riadans wouldn't exist yet by a longshot.

Really? damn...

[Sarcasm]

I fail to see why the Romans would get a rebel faction over everyone else. It's not like civil wars were uncommon among the empires of the time, in fact being one of the major factors for the rise of Rome. Think about it.

[CaesarAugustus]

I agree with Sarcasm, in vanilla BI I always found it annoying that if a province rebelled from Romans it would join this super-faction that ranged from Germania to Africa. Some people just want their independance, they don't want to become part of a new Roman Empire.

[Boyar Son]

I agree with Sarcasm, in vanilla BI I always found it annoying that if a province rebelled from Romans it would join this super-faction that ranged from Germania to Africa. Some people just want their independance, they don't want to become part of a new Roman Empire.

Thats when the gold, women, and swords come in.