NATO - Warsaw Pact conflict

[Sarathos]

Ok, better question. Who did send in their orders?

[Tran]

Ok, better question. Who did send in their orders?

Nobody.

But since the extended deadline had passed and nobody complaint, I decided to posted new chapter.

I think this Interactive has the longest deadline and lax compared to others. Also, seeing as I will be rather busy in the coming weeks and lack of activity among players I might as well disband this Interactive.

[Sarathos]

I might as well disband this Interactive.

And another one down...

[King Kurt]

Tran - I for one would urge you not to stop the IA. - we seem close to a climax here and it would be a shame to stop it. The loss of Marshall was a set back but we could carry on.
I was ready to send in my orders but was waiting for some form of agreed line via the NATO forum. Why not set a deadline of the end of this month and see what happens - we should all be ready to send orders as we all seemed to be there or there abouts before missing the last deadline.
If you do decide to give it I for one will be disappointed. This and Kage's Japanesse IH are the 2 quality projects on the go in the chapter House and it would be a shame to loose it.

[Tran]

I understand it, KingKurt. I wish everything went smoothly since turn one, but without clear timetable, it is difficult to run this Interactive. Also it seems (in my humble opinion) only two or three players were actually enthusiastic playing, or care to inform me of their absence (or leaving) or the technical aspect (KingKurt, I wish everyone play like you )

And no, I have not decided to disband this Interactive, however I prefer this to continue with more dynamic and enthusiastic atmosphere. But I would like to hear everyone's feedback.

[Derfasciti]

I've actually been sorta considering dropping out of this IH officially the past few days but I feared my leaving would ring the death knell for the game.


It's not that I dislike the game, mind you. This is the most fun i've had in a while. But it's just that I really am pretty dang busy and I rarely have any free time nowadays. I've always considered myself a pretty dedicated and enthusiastic player in this game but I didn't do much this past two weeks especially because I never got any feedback from KK and I was so deep in midterm exams and papers to write that I could barely find the time to check this site, let alone do anything on it.

[Tran]

I've actually been sorta considering dropping out of this IH officially the past few days but I feared my leaving would ring the death knell for the game.


It's not that I dislike the game, mind you. This is the most fun i've had in a while. But it's just that I really am pretty dang busy and I rarely have any free time nowadays. I've always considered myself a pretty dedicated and enthusiastic player in this game but I didn't do much this past two weeks especially because I never got any feedback from KK and I was so deep in midterm exams and papers to write that I could barely find the time to check this site, let alone do anything on it.

Don't worry, from the amount of your PMs in my Inbox I know you are very enthusiastic and dedicated

And you are right, it seems one Warsaw Pact players after another just vanished into thin air. I saw KamiKhan posted in some other threads.

[Tran]

And Derfasciti, you might leave the Interactive and join again later (as USSR).

[Sarathos]

Well I am still in.

[King Kurt]

Tran - thanks for your kind words - I have enjoyed the interactive and the period is one I have always been interested in having lived through it and having spent a lot of time in the 70's and 80's wargamming in the period - hence my level of nerdish knowledge about all things military!!

Perhaps we shoud have a roll call and give a level of commitment for Tran's sake so he can gauge what the true level of commitment is. It is obvious that to run such an interactive is a considerable task, so it is only fair that we give Tran a commitment to reflect the amount of work he will have to put in.
The other thing we could do is maybe tout for players in other IHs - I was in particular thinking of Kage's japanese one - and see if we could drum up some fresh blood.

[seireikhaan]

Umm...hi all. I kinda got busy for a bit, and I kinda put this IH a bit lower on the priority list for a while. I'll try to get more active, but my participation outside of orders quite possibly will be very little while I'm hosting my mafia game.(shameless plug-get in to the gameroom and sign up!)

[Csargo]

I'm still here, and I know I haven't been the best player but I'll try harder if you keep this IH alive.

[shlin28]

I'm still here

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I've been very busy in rl. I'll stay, however.

[Tran]

Excellent! I will see if I can get volunteers to play and/or substitute here from other places to keep the ball rolling in a smooth pace. In the mean time, you might start sending orders, no deadline will be set until I feel enough newcomers arrive.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I, Constantine, King of the Hellenes, condemn the action of the Russians in Poland. Poland should be allowed to freely decide its own destiny, not have it forced upon them at the end of a gun barrel.

[Sarathos]

Excellent! I will see if I can get volunteers to play and/or substitute here from other places to keep the ball rolling in a smooth pace. In the mean time, you might start sending orders, no deadline will be set until I feel enough newcomers arrive

Are we starting from the beginning or from where we left off?

[Tran]

Are we starting from the beginning or from where we left off?

Continue from the newest chapter, as usual.

[Sarathos]

Continue from the newest chapter, as usual.

Sure thing

[Csargo]

check the secret base NATO players.

[PrinceofTroy]

Can I join as Italy? I'd like to kick those Soviets all the way back to Moscow, and their Commie-Sympathizers with them!

[Tran]

Can I join as Italy? I'd like to kick those Soviets all the way back to Moscow, and their Commie-Sympathizers with them!

Certainly. But can you please post some infos about Italy from this period, to show the certainty of your words?

[PrinceofTroy]

The Republic of Italy
Created in the 40's the Italian Republic was dominated by the Christian Democrats party throughout the 40's, 50's, and parts of the 60's, but favor for the party went down and the people wanted mojor reforms. Many thought the Italian Socialist Party was the way to go so in 1963 the Socialist Party was introduced into the Government. Sadly for the people the Socialist Party didn't solve any of the major problems in Italy. The Christian Democrat party still remains supreme under Prime minister Aldo Moro.

Aldo Moro
In 1964 Aldo Moro is Prime Minister. He has been in the Italian government since the 40's and was there when the Constitution was ratified. He is a member of the Christian Democrats.

NATO
Italians have been a member of NATO since the fifties and a member of the European Economic Community. In the same time it became an Ally of the U.S. and was repaired by the Marshall Plan.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

The Republic of Italy
Created in the 40's the Italian Republic was dominated by the Christian Democrats party throughout the 40's, 50's, and parts of the 60's, but favor for the party went down and the people wanted mojor reforms. Many thought the Italian Socialist Party was the way to go so in 1963 the Socialist Party was introduced into the Government. Sadly for the people the Socialist Party didn't solve any of the major problems in Italy. The Christian Democrat party still remains supreme under Prime minister Aldo Moro.

Aldo Moro
In 1964 Aldo Moro is Prime Minister. He has been in the Italian government since the 40's and was there when the Constitution was ratified. He is a member of the Christian Democrats.

NATO
Italians have been a member of NATO since the fifties and a member of the European Economic Community. In the same time it became an Ally of the U.S. and was repaired by the Marshall Plan.

Welcome, Signore Moro. I have been instructed my lord, King of the Hellenes Constantine I., to offer any assitance I can possibly provide that you may need.

Prime Minister Georgios Papandréou

[00jebus]

This looks fun... mind if I join as... oooh... Hungary, just to annoy everyone



Info
Modern history - Initially sided with Nazi Germany during WWII, and aided in the invasions of Yugoslavia and Russia, with the entire second army destroyed in the battle of Stalingrad. Towards the end of the war Budapest was eventually taken by the soviets (Feb 1945), and a soviet-satalite goverment was set up in 1948 under Matiyas Rakozi.
This...upset alot of people, students mainly, and a revolt began in late October 1956 demanding a more democratic and libertarian (socially) style of goverment.
From then on, the goverment changed forms from Stalinism to what can be refered to as goulash communism, (named after a soup) which includes a more liberal outlook, both economically and socially.
This ment alot of tax money was spent on producing a much more mixed economy with more consumer goods, leading to it being called "the happiest barrack" (this would limit the serious problems that other soviet republics had at the end of the cold war)
This, of course, means less money was avaliable for the military;

Drafties did not recieve good training, generally just a few weeks rifle training and even then used more as a cheap labour force.
It wasn't uncommon for men to dodge the draft by feining medical reasons.
Thanks to the 1956 rebellion, the Russians took most of the armies heavy equipment away.
However, a 200,000 strong, self reliant (in terms of tanks, artillery, aircraft and missiles (both WMD and cruise kind)) force of russians is garrisoned in the country (probably moved in game by now) and does take orders from Kadar.

The equipment that the army/air force did have were the same standadised soviet equipment;

main fighter - MiG 21, Useful for ground attack, specilised NATO jets are superior in air combat, but the '21 isn't useless in that role, in the hands of a skilled pilot its as good as any other plane of the period, and the amount of US jets they downed in Vietnam caused specilist air combat schools to open in the US.
MBT - T 62, right now, this is the best production tank in the world, and can operate effectivly at night.
APC's include the usual mix of BMP's and BRDM's
main rifle is the AK-47, which is better up close (urban, forests) than anything NATO have (so maybe my infantry wont be completly useless :P), but lacks accuracy at range



to tran; PM me if this is ok and when you want orders in... and what I can order, mainly the latter

[shlin28]

Are you sure your true allegiance doesn't lie with NATO? *cough* Hungarian Uprising that was brutally crushed by the Soviet Oppressors who then systematically destroyed Hungarian culture and its people *cough*

[00jebus]

Hungary's true alligence is to Hungary, just like France's true alligence is to France and not the vile American crushes of free will and worshippers of the "free" market!

that being said, our troops have general orders to accept the surrender of any NATO soilders who lay down their arms, and we give our assurances to every citizen in this world that we, unlike the current Itallian ruling class whom order the exercution of communists for no other reason than their political beliefs or the americans or british who install brutal puppet dictators, will never stoop so low as to torture, degrade or punish those whose beliefs are diffrent to our own, indeed, we follow a branch of Marxism that advocates diffrences as it allow's much more intressting philosophical discussions, so long as their peaceful of course.

[Derfasciti]

Welcome aboard the Warsaw Pact train, 00jebus. Next stop, victory.

[PrinceofTroy]

Message From Aldo Moro to all Communist Sympathizers and any Members of the
Italian Revolutionary Front

All Communist Sympathizers and members of the Italian Revolutionary Front who bear arms against Italian Soldiers will be killed/executed by Italian military units and police units if you do not lay down your arms and surrender to Italian forces. All those who surrender will be treated kindly by Italian Soldiers, those who resist will be killed. Also, any Soviet, Bulgarian or Yugoslavian soldier who surrenders to Italian forces will not be treated harshly, Killed, or tortured.



(OOC:When are the orders due?)

[00jebus]

Flyer distributed by Hungarian troops


Comrades!
The glourious peoples armies of the USSR march to free you from your oppressors!
But in what ways you ask do they oppress us?
The answer, good people of the world is that after exploiting your labour for their own greedy ends, is that despite claiming to be democratic, and claiming that people are free to make up their own minds, they oppress those that are too devient, behold!

Message From Aldo Moro to all Communist Sympathizers and any Members of the
Italian Revolutionary Front

All Communist Sympathizers and members of the Italian Revolutionary Front will be killed/executed by Italian military units and police units if you do not lay down your arms and surrender to Italian forces. All those who surrender will be treated kindly by Italian Soldiers, those who resist will be killed. Also, any Soviet, Bulgarian or Yugoslavian soldier who surrenders to Italian forces will not be treated harshly, Killed, or tortured.

Even though not all on the left, nowhere near all communist sympathizers are involved in violent acts, this Itallian oppressor demands that they all surrender or be exercuted... and if they do surrender, what are the chances of them being treated fairly?
We all know that for daring to oppose an unfair and unjust system.. they will be treated as second class citizens even in their own homes!
so join us! to fight the oppression that plauges the world!
join us! the cause is just and our aim is true!

for only through the deaths of the fat and greedy capatalists who run the west will the whole world find its salvation!


A list of recruitment centres, telephone numbers and benefits follow