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    OOC: yes Tran,sorry I forgot to say how enjoyable that was to read.
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    The United States wishes that the U.S.S.R. would clarify 'indirect hostile action' so that you cannot accuse of such action out of hand?

    The United States would also like to invite any Danes to America to establish the respectable government of Denmark, to reclaim your nation.
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    Announcement:

    Deadline for the decisions is Friday next week (June 29) 11:00 AM GMT.
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    Indirect and direct hostile actions against the Yugoslavians and other currently neutral Socialist states constitues violation of territory, be it air sea or land. Aiding enemies of the state, Embargo, sabatoge, assassination, etc. If proof is found for any of this and more full reprisals will be exacted on the peaceful socialist's behalf.
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    The United Kingdom does not recognize the People's Republic of Denmark, and invites any Danes who still support freedom and capitalism to the British Isles, where we will try and create a Danish Division to aid in the liberatation of your homeland.

    We also appeal to any currently neutral states to join with NATO against the aggressive Warsaw Pact. As the world learned 20 years ago, with Herr Hitler, when one nation invades another, you cannot assume yourself safe until that belligerent power is defeated. Nazi Germany spared no nation, slowly picking off the liberal states of Europe. The same happens now. Just because the USSR has not invaded you yet, do not think they will not later. This crocodile has a large appetite, and this crocodile will not rest until all the world groans under the communist yoke. If you support freedom, as NATO does, then join with us and rise against the Warsaw Pact, let us break her power together.
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    To compare the great nations of the East with a crocodile is an interesting metaphor. If I were to compare NATO with an animal it would be the mosquito. A crocodile will only take enough to feed it and its family in plain view to the world. The mosquito spreads infectious disease and saps the blood of its prey while constantly buzzing in the ear of its victim.

    Following the USSR's example, Czechoslovakia will wage war on any nation that assists NATO while declaring its nuetrality. At the same time, Czechoslovakia will support any nuetral nation that is attacked unfairly by NATO forces. The Free Socialist nations of the Warsaw pact must and will respect nuetrality. We are not the demons that the western propaganda paints us as.

    Czechoslovakia recognises the people of Denmark's wish to break free from the chains of capitalism. We formally recognise, and welcome, the People's Republic of Denmark to the new world.

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    The United States

    We humbly ask the Soviet Union to allow those who are separated from their families to cross the lines so that families may be re-united?
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    Sweden, as a netural nation, is also curious about the U.S.S.R.'s defenition of aidding enemy nations, and in the sake of the warsaw pacts best interest warns them that the new policy will but create more enemies.

    We also find it extremely hypocratical on the soviets part due to there recent violation of soverign Swedish territory.
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    The U.S.S.R. apologizes for any violation of territory of the sovereign state of Sweden and issues a general order to avoid Neutral territory whenever possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
    The United States

    We humbly ask the Soviet Union to allow those who are separated from their families to cross the lines so that families may be re-united?


    The Warsaw Pact wonders that if this war was going a different way, would NATO grant the same request they now ask for? No, they wouldn't. You don't care much for human life one way or the other, if you did, you would have let the Berlin garrison surrender and so minimize the damage done to civilians. The Soviet Union views this plea as one of desparation and with little military or civilian gain for either side except the ability for NATO forces to regroup and prolong their war.

    The Soviet Union realizes that this may indeed be a trap for NATO saboteurs to work behind Warsaw Pact lines. This being said we cannot without endangering the lives of our soldiers allow this to be. We continue to give our word however that all civilians who are dedicated to peace will be left to live their lives in peace and as much happiness as war can give them.
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    The Warsaw Pact wonders that if this war was going a different way, would NATO grant the same request they now ask for? No, they wouldn't.
    NATO is a compassionate and humanitarian. War is between nations, not between families. To not allow this humble and simple request is to deny the humans who live in Germany the right to continue to live peacefully and together. It is abhorrent that you would deny such a request. This request was the simplest and most charitable request that NATO could have proffered. We are not asking any German citizenry to act as saboteurs or spies. To say that we are is a disgusting lie.

    The Soviet Union views this plea as one of desperation and with little military or civilian gain for either side except the ability for NATO forces to regroup and prolong their war.
    We in NATO are not asking for any form of cease-fire, timetable, or any time at all to allow this request. We are not asking for a cessation of hostilities, we are asking that they be allowed through the lines now.

    this may indeed be a trap for NATO saboteurs to work behind Warsaw Pact lines. This being said we cannot without endangering the lives of our soldiers allow this to be.
    The Kremlin believes in fantasies and falsifications. We do not encourage anyone in Germany to be a saboteur or a spy. He hides behind his soldiers as a shield, saying he values them, then sends them by the thousands to kill. He sees the only value in humanity is that they can carry a gun.
    We continue to give our word however that all civilians who are dedicated to peace will be left to live their lives in peace and as much happiness as war can give them.
    How can they be dedicated to peace and happiness when war has wrought their families apart. Mothers, daughters, sons, grandparents, fathers, they are now broken and shattered. What bonds remain to live by? Neighbors are gone. Families are shattered.

    It is disgusting, inhumane, and wretched that you should deny such a harmless request. People of Germany, know that this is what the Soviet Union promises. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Bulgaria, nations oppressed by the Comintern Boot, see what monsters reside in the Kremlin Walls.
    It is an act that defies political boundaries. These people have done nothing wrong. They are not acting in this conflict, they are condemned to be separated by living on the lands that they have lived on for years, if not centuries.

    you would have let the Berlin garrison surrender and so minimize the damage done to civilians.
    It was a conflict between military forces. The Soviet heavy hand smashed civilian housing, not the NATO forces. The Soviet troops were the ones that fired the first shots in Berlin. Not NATO. The Soviet soldiers who shot civilians. Not NATO. To exercise restrain in such an urban setting, where you would minimize civilian casualties, that is what you should have done. To say that we brought this on the population is a fallacy. They were condemned to death only for living in a house in Berlin. Soviet aggression is to blame for the Berlin deaths, not the Berliners, nor NATO.

    Neutral Nations, see these lies and actions. Mark them. Know that this is what Soviets do to innocent civilians. Think what they may do for your nations, once he has you surrounded. Blaming you for the conflict, blaming the deaths of innocent people, on you. If the Soviets are so willing to kill innocent civilians to kill NATO troops, think what they would do to your population for standing up to their bullying and bludgeoning tactics.
    The Kremlin offers the olive branch to keep you pacified until he removes your only hope. They want to ensure that you do not join with us, and make us stronger. They do not fear us, they fear you.
    The Soviets fear independence. A rule outside their own. They fear the basic human rights to property and family. He destroys families so willingly, using the military matters as a cover for this violation of human rights and dignity.
    I plea with all neutral nations. Unite as one and rise victorious over these belligerent Communist, or would you rather be conquered separately? He has lied already, accusing us of sending saboteurs and spies. He says that we want a cease-fire to 'regroup'. We do not state that anywhere in our offer.
    What else has the Kremlin lied about?

    This inhumane act has shattered what respect the United States had for the sovereignty of the U.S.S.R. We see you no longer as a nation who respects human rights and dignities, but a monster. A brutal bully who splits families, destroys what bonds the people of Germany had, and a liar.

    Any German who wishes to come to the NATO side will be allowed through. Any Soviet soldier who stops you is not trying to protect you. He is trying to deny you friends and family, your basic human right of choice. Germany, decide.

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    As I am feeling smug after putting my move in, Tran how goes it with the other players and when are we likely to see the next move?
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    I sent in my orders yesterday :)
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    Can I play Greece, starting from the next turn?

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    @King Kurt: I'm still waiting for decisions from Italy and Sweden. Also, there are already LOTS of things going on this chapter, so I guess it will take one year to move...
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    tran - good things come to those who wait - I look forward to the next chapter
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    Indeed, we look forward to reading some more of your great work soon, Tran.
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    Declaration of War

    The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is hereby announcing it's support for the Warsaw Pact alliance. Yugoslavia is, from here on out, a member of the Warsaw Pact. We have had enough with the lies and deceit of Western Capitalists.

    Know this, NATO: it is of your own fault that you forced our hand. Despite assurances NATO would not violate our neutrality, your actions spoke otherwise. Your naked aggression and buildup along our borders, along with messages hinting at your willingness to violate our nuetrality, left us with little choice but to side with our Socialist bretheren against your blatant hypocrisy and arrogance. Perhaps it would have been wiser than to attempt to paint all socialists as selfish oppressors. It did not sit well with me, nor any of my staff, nor any of my citizens, that NATO would dare utter such impudent and obtuse comments. Indeed, I find it ironic that Capitalists, who allow the majority of their citizens to despair in a cycle of never ending poverty, would declare Socialism, which guarantees the welfare of every person, to oppress their people.

    To my fellow members of the Warsaw Pact: I am glad that we were able to come to agreable terms. It is not right for us to allow ourselves to be disunified against the face of Capitalistic imperialism. We must band together in order to end the stranglehold that Capitalism holds over western Europe. We must liberate those shackled by the constrains of endless poverty and bring hope to them, hope that each and every man may recieve the welfare and respect that he deserves.

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    The glorious Socialist Republic of Rumania welcomes their Socialist Brothers into the Warsaw Pact.
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    The United States wishes to know what act of NATO violated the neutrality of the Yugoslavian Socialists.
    Your naked aggression and buildup along our borders, along with messages hinting at your willingness to violate our neutrality, left us with little choice but to side with our Socialist brethren against your blatant hypocrisy and and arrogance
    What naked aggression? What messages? We demand an explanation.
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    The USSR welcomes the honorable Albanians and Yugoslavians into the Warsaw Pact as brothers in arms. Together may we rid the world of the hostile nations of NATO.
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    Mr. Johnson, I have already discussed in private with you the circumstances regarding NATO pressure on Yugoslav borders whilst we were neutral in this conflict. When I warned the Italians that Yugoslavia was not to be used as a stepping stone to attack other nations, I was merely given the response, "NATO will do whatever is neccessary to bring peace to the world" by the Italians. Not only do they insinuate that they would violate our neutrality to attack Warsaw Pact nations, they have the gall to state that by invading other nations, by killing, by inevitably causing collateral damage to innocent civilians, they would be bringing peace to the world.

    As for 'naked aggression', I would like to remind NATO that they were the ones making hostile remarks regarding communist nations. Ismet Inonu of Turkey spoke of "the evils of communism" in his address to the Turkish public. You yourself equated communism with the Fascist monsters of thirty years ago. You stated that those who stood for communism stood for Hitler and Mussolini. We socialists do NOT stand for what those monsters stood for. Ironically, was it not the Russians, who are communist, who aided America most in the war against Fascism? And yet, once the war was over, America turned their back on their ally and then painted them as satanic oppressors. Am I to believe that NATO would not do the same with Yugoslavia if we were to aid you or stay neutral? With the feelings and stances you seem to be taking regarding communism, am I to really believe that, as a Socialist state, I would be spared should NATO emerge victorious? No, if NATO emerged victorious, it would then turn on Yugoslavia and dismantle it in order to rid the world of socialism. And this, I cannot allow.

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    The Kingdom of Greece issues a warning to Yugoslavia. Do not cross the borders or our response will be swift and powerful.

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    We thank Yugoslavia for her comments, and we fully realize that the Yugoslavian Socialism is different than the Oppressive Soviet Communism. We feel sorry that you were compelled to join the Warsaw Pact, against your wishes, and now you are tied to the Kremlin entirely.
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    Yes it was against their wishes that Italian and Greek soldiers lines up at their border looking for blood. Brothers in socialism have always been together in our quest for equality amongst the people, they were compelled to join with the Warsaw Pact for fear of western hypocrisy in their actions.

    We welcome the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and hope that together we can bring freedom and equality to the impoverished people of western Europe.

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    So Marshall Tito, for all his bluster and posturing, shows himself to be nothing but a Soviet puppet after all. How short a memory this tin-pot dictator has. He only came to power due to the support the US and the English gave him when fighting in WW2. Despite this, when his Soviet master shouts jump, the Lapdog of the Balkans says how high.
    The government of Turkey clearly states that any attack on our Greek or Italian allies or any attack on NATO forces is seen as an attack on Turkey and we will not hesitate to punish such attacks with overwhelming force.
    We call upon the people of Yugoslavia, that patchwork of a nation, to assert their national roots and throw off the shackles imposed by their Soviet backed despot.
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    hey tran, i don't want to seem demanding or anything but... when could we expect another chapter? i take it everyone sent in their responses by now? i just can't wait until communist soldiers liberate western europe from capitalist chains

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    Within hours, if everything is fine. The next chapter will be released

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    Whoo, new chapter, finally. Hope its good, Tran.(of course it will be(or else))
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