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    first, i would like to see Numidia. it was one of the key players in Punic wars. and certainly if we have Iberians as a faction we should have Numidians who imo were of more importance.
    second, Galatia. beside historical reasons it'd put some preasure on AS's presence in Anatolia and will help little kingdoms such as Pontus, Armenia, Pahlava, by redirecting some of this beast's attention.

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    More important? Come on, dude. I'm as much for the inclusion of a Numidian tribe as anyone, but it didnt take the Romans decades to conquer Jugurtha as it did with "the Iberians". Lets not get into trying to say one faction is "more important" than another.


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    My Guesses for EB2

    Erain
    Lugii
    Bosphoran Kingdom
    Cyrene
    Syracuse
    Galatia
    Khwarizm
    Massilia
    Pergamum
    Palmyra

    I would really like Rhodos. Doubt it will will happen though. Feel free to tell me if i'm way off.

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    Well, we can't have Rhodes as an island by itself since it is already a memeber of the Koinon Hellenon.

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    I'd like to see a turkic tribe or two!
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    Proto-Turks in 270BC? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Turks too, but maybe during a different timeline... Turks hardly show themselves from beyond Central Asia/Mongolia before the Yueh-chi or Hsiung-Nu, and the Yueh-chi are already decidely too late for the EB time period, nonetheless the many other cool steppe cultures.

    Unless you mean Tocharians? Their culture was quite a mix, but if anything more Indo-European (ruling class/ language) rather than Turkic, although I'm sure Proto-Turks were present to a greater or lesser degree.
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    what about Aitolia?

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    They never really did much besides cause trouble. Plus, they're sandwiched between Epeiros, Makedonia, and KH. They wouldn't do much in game besides get killed - something which can be easily represented by the eleutheroi.

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    lol good point I for one, am all for a Syracusai faction.

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    The Tocharians? I've read somewhere that they were closely related to the celts...
    I'd like to see more barbarian factions, I mean it's "Europa Barbarorum", not "Asia Graecorum". But I'll be fine with whatever the EB-team decides is historically appropriate. The Lugii would also be a good choice, with a mix of celtic and germanic units, but the EB starting date might be a bit too early for them - Stupid thing that there aren't more sources on european peoples at that time..
    I wish I knew the faction list for EB2 - must be quite difficult to decide between historical evidence and gameplay compability...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkrieg80
    Proto-Turks in 270BC? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Turks too, but maybe during a different timeline... Turks hardly show themselves from beyond Central Asia/Mongolia before the Yueh-chi or Hsiung-Nu, and the Yueh-chi are already decidely too late for the EB time period, nonetheless the many other cool steppe cultures.

    Unless you mean Tocharians? Their culture was quite a mix, but if anything more Indo-European (ruling class/ language) rather than Turkic, although I'm sure Proto-Turks were present to a greater or lesser degree.

    Oh, I see... but what about baltic tribes? The baltic area feels very empty in EB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brynjolfr
    Oh, I see... but what about baltic tribes? The baltic area feels very empty in EB.
    There are two major problems with including a Baltic tribe as a faction:
    1) Very little is known about them
    2) What is known suggest that there was nothing close to a large, unified power like the Suebi (Sweboz) conferderation. Although it is not inconceivable that a Baltic tribe might have grown big, they doen't seem to have had the potential for large-scale expansion and empire-building. As it is, there are far more likely candidates that haven't been included in EB. I admit the area is a bit bare, though. Would the Bastarnoz or the remaining Scythians qualify as a faction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafien
    More important? Come on, dude. I'm as much for the inclusion of a Numidian tribe as anyone, but it didnt take the Romans decades to conquer Jugurtha as it did with "the Iberians". Lets not get into trying to say one faction is "more important" than another.
    perhaps i shouldnt have used a word as this. i still think however, that Numidians played a bigger role not only on a local but also on international scale. if it wasnt for Numidia would Carthage be destroyed at all?
    pardon me though if word 'important' sounds inappropriate in such a delicate business as this. it meant no harm.

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    I'd rather see the current factions improved but another Iberian group , the Goildics , the Aorsi , Nubia , and the Garamantes or Numidia , one of the two.


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    Why not add a Slavic faction?
    There's a free space west of Sarmatians, exactly where the old Slavs lived - today's east Poland, western Ukraine and parts of Belarus

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    The problem I think with the Slavs is that almost nothing is known about them. If I could add another ten factions to EB, they would be:

    1. Pergamon
    2. Syrakousai
    3. Nabataia
    4. Numidia
    5. Another Iberian tribe (I don't know their names, sorry!)
    6. Belgae
    7. Bastarnoz
    8. Another Germanic tribe (Hattoz? Heruskoz? Maybe even the Helvetii? I don't know which would be best)
    9. An Illyrian faction of some sort (the Ardiaioi?)
    10. The Thracian Odrysai might be quite interesting...

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    Well blitz, arguing the Teutonii being celtic is rather the minority of historical researchers.
    The majority, as Frostwulf alrready mentioned, definately see them as germanic along the Cimbri and Ambroni.

    I fear you going to include the Lugians as half celtic and half germanic.
    Would not be my choice, but...
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    would the nubians be able to fit entirely in the EB
    map?

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    Personally, don't know about Goidils.

    My two choices? Well, I'll start with my second favorite: Pergamum. They were considered one of the 'true' successor states of Alexander, at least how I was taught for my classics degree. So I think they're significance should warrant a faction slot in EB2.

    As for the other faction, I believe no explanation is necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SaFe
    Well blitz, arguing the Teutonii being celtic is rather the minority of historical researchers.
    The majority, as Frostwulf alrready mentioned, definately see them as germanic along the Cimbri and Ambroni.

    I fear you going to include the Lugians as half celtic and half germanic.
    Would not be my choice, but...
    Any news on wolf and bear-warriors b.t.w.?
    At least for EB2?
    Probably in EB1. Oops, you didn't hear that from me ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KARTLOS
    would the nubians be able to fit entirely in the EB
    map?
    any thought on the nubians guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim_Ghost
    I still think it would be great to add an Indian faction.

    A justification is that in the campaign conquering India doesn't seem to be a stupendous feat for either Selukeia or Baktria. I mean, come on!All I need to do is deploy 2 levy phalangites at the gates and poke 000s of lousy naked Indians to death! If historically that is all I need to do, then Alexandros with his full arsenal of veteran Agyraspidai and Hetairoi would have expanded all the way to Indonesia and China!

    Speaking about Indians, shouldn't there be elite units such as cataphracts and Ksatria warriors?What, don't tell me that the Indians have even less supply of iron than the Swebos! I have seen pictures of Indians in chain mail armor, riding horses clad in cataphract armor (correct me if I am wrong here).

    If the EB team couldn't add more Indian provinces, then fine. They can just set Patala/Taksashila as the capital of Maurya Kingdome (or whatever else Indian kingdom). Then they can justify that the other Indian kingdoms to the east gave too high a resistance to capture.
    ive never heard of indian cataphracts, do you have any links/pictures?

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    The Nubians weren't too strong at this time period. They wouldn't be able to do much but put forth a futile effort against Ptolemai and get conquered. Plus they didn't have a huge selection of variety in their military. They would have like 5 different units. And yes, they would have been interested in areas outside the current map.


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    Will there at least be some more Nubian/Ethiopian units Like Nubian Archers? And Herodotus mentions some clubmen serving in Xerxes armies alongside the Archers and Spearmen.
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    It comes down to priorities. New units for the new factions are much more important than one area of the map with all of two provinces. If there is room for them then great. If not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KARTLOS
    arent you all gypsies?
    No. Most Romanians I know get furious when you call them gypsies. There is a lot of bad blood between them.
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    I think Karltos was joking there but I wouldn't really call it bad blood but I'd wish they'd keep migrating and they do love the great western capitals but they get sent back because of citizenship . It's just these remnants of nomadic culture that are annoying like no respect for education (they don't send their kids to school after they are 14 years old, the bad taste in architecture etc.)

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    I also think it was meant to be a joke, but it was tasteless.

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