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    Default Re: MT2W:Where are we now??

    Well I hope that the retrofit tournaments that are currently being played will get a few players across from Vanilla and that we can start to rebuild the mp community. I suppose that there is not much point moaning about it we either play TW in one form or another or we don't, people will vote with their feet.

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    Default Re: MT2W:Where are we now??

    But then again, if a lot of people don't want to come back to retirofit, I don't think it would do much sadly.

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    You are probably right m8, we'll have to see

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    Argeed, we will have to see. I think it will bring back some people, and attract some new players, and proably some current players will tranfer to it, but I don't see it making a big change. Just like when M2TW came out, people thought mabye it would be better MP wise and everyone would come back. Kinda was wrong on that prediction then unforutally .

    M2TW I think is still better then RTW MP wise, just not lke STW/MTW.
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    Hi all,

    I'll have to try that "retrofit" when I have some time again (that and jump in with Puzz if he's still doing his mod online). My gaming comp died -- something to do with graphics card fan stopping -- and only recently got it back running. A house, a wife, pets and spring cleaning also have a way of eating into one's time...

    I just don't understand why CA/EA or whoever it is now doesn't make a spin-off game marketed for Multi-play only. It would seem to be easy $. Almost everything is there: take the old MI or even STW, update the graphics a bit, make a bunch of big maps tailored for MP. Where they would have to make an effort would be play balancing (which is really just tweaking parameters), streamlining how players' computers connect (no dropping or lag -- but if WOW can do it in 3D virtual world, how difficult is STW?), and make a really usable gaming forum for setting up matches. But essentially all the fundamentals are done. And, they wouldn't have to 'ef with all the campaign crap which has to be huge time/cost burden. This battle-only MP could become a whole new MTW game-line and has a ready market.

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    In response to a couple of posts up there (and to beat a dead horse): the reason the "old guys" complain about MP and the new game is, I think, that we saw the genius of the TW series as the battles themselves. They were revolutionary -- an exercise in generalship that had the strategy of chess mixed with live-action. They were THE reason for the game -- the campaign was only a set-up to make the battles meaningful. Somewhere along the way CA/EA flip-flopped the game making the campaign the central feature and the battles began to suffer. They LOOKED better than ever, but the effort to make them PLAY better was lost. Battles may have even been intentionally "sped up" (i.e. less tactical) because they were viewed as taking too long and clogging the campaign game. So what we got is a buggy game that looks great, but has a mediocre campaign and mediocre battles.
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    Hiya Mitch,
    It would be good and relatively easy to create TW multiplayer.

    I'll add another reason why the 'old crowd' enjoyed the MP side. Interaction.

    I've spent a few hours at a time playing online battles and had a thoroughly enjoyable time fighting with/against real people. Compare that with a few hours of SP campaign, winning a series of ridiculously one sided battles and being frustrated by annoying bugs. The time online never felt wasted, whereas many times I've asked myself why I wasted my time with the campaign

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    If only a patch that allows 16 vs 16 MP games.
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    Hiya Mitch

    Nice to see you still visiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orda Khan
    I'll add another reason why the 'old crowd' enjoyed the MP side. Interaction.
    It was the interaction with many players online that made TW so entertaining.

    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
    If only a patch that allows 16 vs 16 MP games.
    If only.
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    Hey you old bastards!!

    I miss the old days too, I do check in here once in a while to see if there's any groundbreaking news....nothing so far.

    I have been playing wow these days, and that game has the same issue as the TW games. Single player vs Multi player and the imbalances one causes the other.

    For me there has to be something new to multi, I can't keep coming back to the same thing over and over. When I bought RTW + MTW2 and went online it was fun at first, but the novelty wears off quickly, and it's back to the same old. None of them hold me for long like the STW/MI/ MTW/VI.

    I'll keep checking in like I'm sure other old vets do, Keep up the fight!


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    The peeps -- Orda, you are quite right. The peeps online made it special -- I've met a lot of nice folks that you sadly lose touch with when the online dies. Even the bad peeps kept things interesting.

    And I'll also say this about the MP -- no comp AI was ever as challenging, interesting or inventive an opponent as a live person. Getting the rare win over top players was awesome. I hardly feel a sense of accomplishment or defeat when beating or losing to an inanimate computer. And when we had 4v4's the teamwork and limitless outcomes always made it fun. STW Wooded Roads 4 will always have a special place in my gaming memory.
    Retreat? Hell, we're just attacking in a different direction...

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    Tosa, 16 vs. 16 can you imagine? How great would that be.... Hell 8v8 would have been awesome.
    Retreat? Hell, we're just attacking in a different direction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shingenmitch2
    Tosa, 16 vs. 16 can you imagine? How great would that be.... Hell 8v8 would have been awesome.

    I hontestly think 8v8 would be awesome, don't know about 16 .vs.16 though, but heck, BF2 and COD4 and them can do 16 .vs. 16 and attract people, so can we!!

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    Hmm 16 v 16.

    Considering the MP code CA uses, that would run like 0.001 fps I guess.

    Missle battle starts this week saturday and it ends next week sunday. Still to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Kyolic
    Hmm 16 v 16.

    Considering the MP code CA uses, that would run like 0.001 fps I guess.

    Missle battle starts this week saturday and it ends next week sunday. Still to go!


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    This allows multitasking, Kyo. You can play the game, leave, do some laundry, bake a cake, seduce a woman (or man), then return for the epic conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowMelon
    This allows multitasking, Kyo. You can play the game, leave, do some laundry, bake a cake, seduce a woman (or man), then return for the epic conclusion.

    A Man? Hope you talking about the girls here, not making refences to the guys

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    Hey I'm not judging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowMelon
    Hey I'm not judging.
    Nethier am I, and I hope my joke didn't make me look like.. you know (which I'm not).

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    If they (kyo) prefers the company of men, that's his choice.

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    I just notice funny thing. People who yell most about multi are those who...
    are not playing.
    Like Yellow Melon. He behave like multi exprert - despite I haven't seen him on gs for a year.
    Maybe we should limit discussion only to players who really play multi.
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    I think it doesn't matter though Krook if he plays or not actively, as long as he actually played the game for a X amount of time I believe.

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    Not at all Warman.
    Style of playing changes during months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    Not at all Warman.
    Style of playing changes during months.

    Style Of Playing As In changes? Explain Krook, because I don't think it really doesn't, untill at least when a New game comes out mabye.

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    Explain when in the past few months I have discussed the game as an expert. I don't even touch the fields of battle at CCS. Maybe you should stop making assumptions there, Krook.

    Please cite references to me acting like a MP expert in the past few months. I dare you.

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    Style of playing changes during months.
    I mean all the time people are inventing new things. When tactic is unstopable into month X, and someone who stopped playing into month y says "game is bad balanced" because tactic x is unstopable might be wrong because during time when he did not playing, someone invented something simple and useful - and tactic x is not unstopable anymore.

    Just like with ha. At the beginning everyone used foot archers, then everyone used ha only and now people are using mix of foor archers and ha.
    However if you ask someone who stopped playing 3 -4 months ago , he say
    "oh no - foot archers are useless, ha rules".
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    But did I say that?

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    YM you are just an example. Sorry but I didn't want personally abuse you.
    In my opinion tragedy of multiplayer part here is situation when most of posters are people who are not playing.
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    Maybe before you single people out you should think first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    Style of playing changes during months.
    I mean all the time people are inventing new things. When tactic is unstopable into month X, and someone who stopped playing into month y says "game is bad balanced" because tactic x is unstopable might be wrong because during time when he did not playing, someone invented something simple and useful - and tactic x is not unstopable anymore.

    Just like with ha. At the beginning everyone used foot archers, then everyone used ha only and now people are using mix of foor archers and ha.
    However if you ask someone who stopped playing 3 -4 months ago , he say
    "oh no - foot archers are useless, ha rules".

    But you don't need to play every week to realize what tactics are beatable/unbeatable Krook. How Much do you play M2TW MP a week, let alone other TW MP games?


    Melon, any comment on this other then your two responces? Like to stir up some converastion here.

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    MTW2 - about 10-12 hours ;D
    Other TW games - I'm noty playing and thats why I don't make any comments about them (with small excursion - if someone ask me which game is better IMO :L)
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