IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: ATPG

Vote: Jarema

Don't y'all dare touch my sweety pie on day one.

I don't think I make it a habit of trying to lynch GH on day one.

This is literally the worst day one I can recall ever seeing from GH. Painful to hear I'm sure, but it's the truth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is the equivalent of me suggesting a no-lynch on d1 of one of those swords and d20s games which made more than one person scum read me legitimately without a cop result before n1 began. It's like an ultra rare occurrence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So there's a ton of time remaining.

@GH

My vote is persuadable, believe it or not. Especially given Jarema. But you've dinged yourself a lot of believability points when you said I was tunneling you.

If you'd like to do more for your survival than simply suggest a counterwagon, may want to talk to me like I'm not crazy and you're also not crazy. Offer's on the table.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How were you not tunneling me? How are you still not tunneling me? You're tunneling on the fact that you're not tunneling me.

[seireikhaan]

No really though, Jarema's a much better lynch. The passive aggressive response to a bunch of nonsense was.... really weird coming from him.

GH, on the other hand, is clearly trying to get in the mindset of the mindless spambot that apparently comprises the entirety of the offsite mafia games we sentenced nominated him for. Need I remind y'all, it's still day 1. Mafia GH would've just yolo'd out of here after a couple posts and let pizza continue to construct his great wall of pizzaboxes and spam. The case against him is entirely stupid and consists of.... worried about him being worried about mafiauniverse or whatever being a huge spam fest? And then rightfully accusing pizza of tunneling... when pizza is/was tunneling? There's one actually worrisome post from him pointing out he'd be off for a bit(something he does basically all the time as mafia) but also has been done a couple times at least as town too, so I'd call that less strong of an indication than Jarema.

Seriously, don't lynch GH day 1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hell no.

Nope, that's a bunch of crap and I'm not moving off of GH now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm always lynching Jarema day 2 or today if GH isn't the option, but both GH's behavior and Khaan's nonsense just then seals it.

[Choxorn]

Yeah, I don't get why Khaan is defending GH that strongly unless they're scumbuddies, mason partners, or Khaan has a N0 peak and used it on GH. GH's posts just don't feel right to me, so I don't get why town Khaan would get a town read of GH unless masons or cops or something.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Zack]

That is not what tunneling is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Then enlighten me, O Enlightened One(s).

[Zack]

Tunnel - Tunnelling or to "tunnel" someone is to very strongly push for one specific person's lynch without being willing to reevaluate or consider others. "OMG, stop tunnelling me, Cory.". Sometimes also referred to as trolley tracking.

atpg has not been tunneling gh

i think it's weird you're accusing atpg specifically of tunneling you

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan's response was exceptionally poor coming from "the cop". There's no way Khaan is cop with a night zero peek on GH.

GH, on the other hand, is clearly trying to get in the mindset of the mindless spambot that apparently comprises the entirety of the offsite mafia games we sentenced nominated him for. Need I remind y'all, it's still day 1. Mafia GH would've just yolo'd out of here after a couple posts and let pizza continue to construct his great wall of pizzaboxes and spam. The case against him is entirely stupid and consists of.... worried about him being worried about mafiauniverse or whatever being a huge spam fest? And then rightfully accusing pizza of tunneling... when pizza is/was tunneling? There's one actually worrisome post from him pointing out he'd be off for a bit(something he does basically all the time as mafia) but also has been done a couple times at least as town too, so I'd call that less strong of an indication than Jarema.

Seriously, don't lynch GH day 1.

Cops don't claim that they're worried about posts their peek had made. If GH is town, and Khaan is "the cop", then cop play on the org has fallen way behind the times. The bottom line, where it says don't lynch GH "day 1" is also an unnecessary addition. That implies it would be fine to lynch him later on. I see nothing from either GH or Khaan that makes me want to put it off.

Correct cop play would be to ask the pizza guy to trust Khaan, and go for the also likely to be guilty Jarema. That would have been an easy argument. Khaan defending GH's play is weird, and doesn't read like a cop with a peek either. And I don't believe in masons here either. Because, again, there's nothing "worrisome" about posts made by either your n0 peek or your mason partner.

You can safely toss both ideas, short of a hard claim. And it had better be quick, because I'm not budging if there isn't sufficient time to talk about it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

...he's been doing exactly that though...

[seireikhaan]

If you can't figure out why I'm defending GH over Jarema, then I have no further words for you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you can't figure out why I'm defending GH over Jarema, then I have no further words for you.

Persuasive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Am I going to have to do your homework for you?

You're worse than Visor.

[Zack]

...he's been doing exactly that though...

no he hasn't... he's been more than willing to consider other candidates. For most of the day he's been pushing Jarrema. Voting or pushing someone does not mean you're tunneling them.

I also don't get why you're specifically accusing pizza of tunneling you, and not me?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys know the definition of tunneling isn't "a townie suspects a townie" right?

Can we agree on that much?!? Am I wasting my breath here? If you're going to brick wall me, there is no happy outcome today.

Just a bunch of really upset villagers and a happy mafia team.

[seireikhaan]

Go ahead and replace me, Sooh. I'm entirely done with this game. Later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey, I got plenty of other places to be. If I don't get a real time response I'm not going to keep hanging around.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pizza, here's what the past day or so has looked like from *my* POV:

ATPG: GH I think you might be scum but you can convince me otherwise

GH: *says literally anything*

ATPG: You're not helping your case there buddy, now you're far more likely to be scum

So you'll excuse me if I'm going to stick to my guns on this.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
GH (6) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, here's what the past day or so has looked like from *my* POV:

ATPG: GH I think you might be scum but you can convince me otherwise

GH: *says literally anything*

ATPG: You're not helping your case there buddy, now you're far more likely to be scum

So you'll excuse me if I'm going to stick to my guns on this.

Okay, let me tell you what it looked like from my POV.

I see a GH that would rather talk about anything else, or say nothing, than look for scums. It's whatever. I could tell you what you said in particular that looked scummy. I don't suppose it matters.

The bottom line is, it's not tunneling when:

1) I have other suspects
2) I would have rather lynched that other suspect for most of the day
3) I keep asking you questions and offering to talk it out, and you'd mostly rather just sit there spitting out one liners and not solving.

Tunneling is not the same thing as suspecting you. When you say that, and it's not appropriate for the context of the game, it doesn't match my reality, and when things don't match my reality I get suspicious.

This is all normal suspicion and nothing extraordinary is going on.

Now then, as it happens, I'd still be of two minds about what to do going forward. But I don't know if I should bother thinking about the game too carefully. Don't know if there's anything I can offer to the game right now that would be positive. But the spirit is still willing, if there were anyone on the other end of this conversation willing to move forward. Let me know what you'd rather do next.

[GeneralHankerchief]

THERE'S NOTHING TO SOLVE

IT'S DAY ONE

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's suppose I'd be willing to take things at face value. An innocent GH universe.

If you want to look at that universe, I'm sure it would be more productive. But I also don't want to wait around forever for responses, so if real time isn't likely I just wanna take a break.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, got that out of the way. More reasonable post to follow.

[Choxorn]

THERE'S NOTHING TO SOLVE

IT'S DAY ONE

So? It may be true that there's rarely anything of significant substance on Day One, but "rarely" isn't "never."

For instance, I think making posts like this makes you look scummy, and this is one of those rare cases where we can be confident of a scumread on day 1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

THERE'S NOTHING TO SOLVE

IT'S DAY ONE

*throws a plate of spaghetti against the wall*

So we disagree strongly on strategy on day one! Yay!

Somehow I'd still like to do something good today.

[El Barto]

Go ahead and replace me, Sooh. I'm entirely done with this game. Later.

'khaan, are you all right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How many of you have been sitting and watching this unfold? Just curious.