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    Blind Trusts are for pussies. The president cannot be in a conflict of interest so there:

    http://wonkette.com/610427/trump-pee...ys-andor-fords

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    What did they do other than get ignored and not give Cavuto a hug?
    Being the only news network to present goldenshowergate as probable.

    Not much more to say there really, CNN has become as credible as buzzfeed and the wonkette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Being the only news network to present goldenshowergate as probable.
    That may be bad but does not explain the whining in the video you posted.


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    Is gloating and whining interchangeable now?

    Hm, anyway CNN's lack of credibility recently left them open to trump getting away with dismissing them in favour of other news outlets, which is exactly what happened to Fox with obama 8 years ago.

    CNN not being the most gracious opponant in political rivalry had been exceptionally unsympathetic for the last 8 years and now CNN's main programs are dominated by thier anchors whining on live television, about suddenly being in the same exact position, Fox gets to throw it in thier face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Is gloating and whining interchangeable now?

    Hm, anyway CNN's lack of credibility recently left them open to trump getting away with dismissing them in favour of other news outlets, which is exactly what happened to Fox with obama 8 years ago.

    CNN not being the most gracious opponant in political rivalry had been exceptionally unsympathetic for the last 8 years and now CNN's main programs are dominated by thier anchors whining on live television, about suddenly being in the same exact position, Fox gets to throw it in thier face.

    While true on one level, 'blades, that hardly speaks very well of the entire profession...
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    Right now the entire profession isnt worth being spoken well of.
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    Obama must be trying to poke at Trump or something because he commuted Chelsea/Bradley Manning's sentence. I agree with Obama on a lot of things, but this is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Obama must be trying to poke at Trump or something because he commuted Chelsea/Bradley Manning's sentence. I agree with Obama on a lot of things, but this is not one of them.
    Huh - was reading about how she was "at the top of his list" for a pardon/commuting of sentence.

    I agree though - sentence should have been life/execution.
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    Can pardons be overturned?
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    What I dont get is that Obama has gone after more whistleblowers than the other presidents combined, yet he commutes the sentence of this fool.

    EDIT: This might explain why:

    Wikileaks:
    If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case
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    The platinum blonde has an axe to grind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fa...New_Age_group)

    Julian Assange is Frankenstein's monster created in the crucible of the MKULTRA military-industrial complex of the Ameri/UK deep state. Now the monster has turned on its creator.

    The game is a-foot. It should be quite interesting to see how the PEOTUS handles Assange...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    What I dont get is that Obama has gone after more whistleblowers than the other presidents combined, yet he commutes the sentence of this fool.

    EDIT: This might explain why:
    Is that so Assange can avoid the rape charge waiting in Sweden?

    I'd laugh so hard if after all this fuss the Americans hand him to the Swedes first.

    It's what I'd do, properly blacken his name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Can pardons be overturned?
    No. It is one of the few executive powers explicitly enshrined in the Constitution. A President could be impeached if Congress thought the pardon egregious enough, but the Presidential pardon is the ultimate "carte blanche." The Supreme Court has unwaveringly supported a broad understanding of the power of executive clemency throughout the history of the Republic.
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    Trump is following through on his commitment to "Hire the best":

    http://wonkette.com/610561/betsy-dev...ts-laugh-at-it

    Short version: she has no experience running a bank, a loan program, and her education experience consists of gutting public education in favour of charter schools.
    No problem, she and her family are very generous to the Republican Party...Trump's best and brightest have huuuge bank accounts so they must be good right?

    A little more detail from NYTimes :

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/u...ring.html?_r=0
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    Tom Price had a little trouble with a yes/no question from Warren:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...icare-medicaid

    Given that many Republicans have been dying to gut Medicare/Medicaid and this is their chance, the lack of an answer speaks volumes :p
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    Why the hate for Manning? People being brave enough to expose governments dirty secrets are heroes.

    Right wingers are weird. They trust corporations and billionaires more than governments... But then suddenly rush to support governments when their is a whiff of military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Obama must be trying to poke at Trump or something because he commuted Chelsea/Bradley Manning's sentence. I agree with Obama on a lot of things, but this is not one of them.
    Why not? Manning was a hero of transparency, I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Why the hate for Manning? People being brave enough to expose governments dirty secrets are heroes.

    Right wingers are weird. They trust corporations and billionaires more than governments... But then suddenly rush to support governments when their is a whiff of military.
    Left wingers are weird. They trust governments more than corporations and billionaires, but suddenly rush for billionaire support when there is a whiff of environmental damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Why not? Manning was a hero of transparency, I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be against him.
    Manning was unstable and it was pure luck that the mass of data he leaked contained evidence of government coverup. His spray and pray approach to whistleblowing with no regard for whether the contents were in the public interest caused massive ripples in the international community, undermined the US's diplomatic efforts severely, endangered many operatives and ended up revealing several of the scandals that kicked off the now failed arab spring.

    Personally I have to wonder why Obama pardoned manning but not snowden, who had a much greater appreciation for public interest.
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    Yes, poor little spies being exposed. So, if I got it right, it's a matter of perspective. Alright, I accept that we have different priorities, but imo:
    Documentation of human crimes-transparency>patriotism-foreign policy

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    He neglected to vet the documents he leaked for information that compromised us interests without being in the public interest to be revealed.

    What the government accuses snowden of manning actually did to a much greater degree, yet he is pardoned.
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    He neglected to vet the documents he leaked for information that compromised us interests without being in the public interest to be revealed.
    That may greatly depend on how you define "public".

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    What the government accuses snowden of manning actually did to a much greater degree, yet he is pardoned.
    I think that's a valid point, Snowden gave his documents to trustworthy German journalists so they could filter the documents to make sure nothing dangerous would be revealed. Wikileaks may also filter them somewhat, but one can't exactly say they have a very trustworthy reputation.


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    This is wandering further afield from the transition. I hope that, at Noon Eastern tomorrow, this thread will be concluded so that we can take up divers other issues in more specific threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    This is wandering further afield from the transition. I hope that, at Noon Eastern tomorrow, this thread will be concluded so that we can take up divers other issues in more specific threads.
    Other divers issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Why the hate for Manning? People being brave enough to expose governments dirty secrets are heroes.

    Right wingers are weird. They trust corporations and billionaires more than governments... But then suddenly rush to support governments when their is a whiff of military.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Why not? Manning was a hero of transparency, I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be against him.
    As mentioned before, its the haphazard way it was done. Snowden (who I do think is a hero) carefully vetted his information to ensure that only relevant information was put out. And this isnt just an issue with Manning, its an issue with Wikileaks in general. When the DNC leaks happened they also released a bunch of personal info like credit card numbers and such. That is very irresponsible in my eyes (Snowden even chimed in to say so as well). I do not think Manning is a hero, I think that she leaked information out of spite and not out of some higher purpose.

    Also, I am of the opinion that certain aspects of government like diplomatic cables, should remain secret. Diplomacy is something which is really tricky and should not be all in the open. Like imagine if the diplomatic cables around the Iran deal were leaked. One would wonder if the deal would have been concluded if people knew what was being said behind closed doors.

    That being said, I will close this thread when Trump becomes president (tomorrow). We can split up the current discussions into their own threads but this one about the election and subsequent transition has run its course.
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    The actions and secrets of state apparatus is not sacred to me. It doesn't bother me that the state and its servants are inconvenienced. I certainly don't think that the state has a right to punish people who inconvenience it.
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    It could be more than simply an inconvenience. Imagine if, to use the example I used earlier, during the talks for the Iran deal a diplomat made a rude comment about the Iranian delegation with the understanding that it would be only between him and another diplomat. If the comment was leaked and the Iranians left the table because of it, do you not think that is more than a simple "inconvenience"? Sure, the diplomat should not have made the comment, but that is human nature for you. Following that point, do you believe a state should keep any secrets from its citizens?
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    Diplomatic negotiations do not fail because of some rude comments, imo.
    Anyway I see your point, but I believe that the government shouldn't keep any secrets from its people.
    Dishonesty should always be condemned and I believe that society is mature enough to know where its interests lie without the leadership paternalistically withholding information from the stupid masses, unable to think for themselves. The credit stuff and the rest is indeed irresponsible, though.

    edit-To avoid any misunderstanding, I'm not saying that people being dumb is what you believe Hooahguy, I'm just illustrating my point, which may be a bit simplistic and idealistic, given that so many voters apparently believe that Trump is anti-establishment.

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