The crime difference is probably because the blacks are all muslims.
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"James" used the DoJ but used words with a different meaning.
Ok, so if they're not muslim, they're at least more likely to have elevated BLLs:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...verywhere-else
It's great to poison the people first, then blame all the resulting issues on them...All the rest of the data on lead poisoning is exactly what you'd expect. Not only is it higher among blacks than whites, but it's higher in inner cities and it's higher among low-income families. And of course, this is on top of all the social problems these kids already have from being black, poor, and living in rundown neighborhoods.
Needless to say, lead didn't cause institutional racism. But lead sure made it worse. White children were severely affected by the postwar lead epidemic, but it produced nothing less than carnage among black kids. Before we finally got it under control in the late 80s, lead poisoning had created nearly an entire generation of black teenagers with lower IQs, more behavioral problems in school, and higher rates of violent behavior—which, as Wheeler says, feeds into already vicious stereotypes of African-Americans and the poor.
What I'm saying is you can stuff your blacks vs. whites crimes statistics into your lead-filled tinfoil hat!
They also don't disprove institutional racism in the slightest because the two problems are not mutually exclusive.
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Well a lot young black people die because of lead, a lot faster than from lead-poisining though. In problematic, and yes pioor, neighnourhoods the homocide-rate are really high. Gangs kill echother over nothing, sometimes just to prove their worth. That's not special to America, especially in Amsterdam lequidations between gangs are pretty common, sometimes with very heavy weapons, there are plenty of these from former yugoslavia. In Amsterdam it's mostly between Marrocans though
Last edited by Fragony; 08-14-2016 at 23:17.
Not quite the point: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknap.../#7732e60563b2
I wasn't saying that lead poisoning kills them but that it is very likely to have made them and still makes them more violent. See the lead poisoning in Flint for example, it often hits the poor much harder than the rich, too. Wealthier people are more likely to live in newer houses etc.All of it points to one simple idea: violent crime rose as a result of lead poisoning because of leaded gasoline. It declined because of lead abatement policies.
There are three basic reasons why this theory should be believed. First, as Drum points out, the numbers correlate almost perfectly. “If you add a lag time of 23 years,” he writes. “Lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the ’40s and ’50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s.”
And yes, the Dutch have their criminals, too, who was denying that?
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
You need to prove before you need to disprove.
The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.
There have been a real liquidation wave lately, a big stash of cocaine has dissapeared, that's when it started. Everybody is blaming eachother, not 'normal' crime, we have never had something like this before
edit, @hussie
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So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection. Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.
Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.
What's so wrong with what he says, these black life muppets love the idea that this is a black vs white thing. That most young blacks who get shot are shot by young blacks, not a fuck was given. Friend of mine was in New York and wanted to ask cops for direction, he wanted to pick his map and immeddiatly was looking at four guns directed at him, no he's not black
disclaimer, I saw the video a few weeks ago and that absolutily looks bad, there is no justification for shooting the guy who was already on the ground.
Last edited by Fragony; 08-15-2016 at 09:04.
You have little imagination, and debate skills.
It makes sense to dismiss it when they constantly go on riots over the deaths of criminals but ignore the deaths of little girls.So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection.
Lazy.Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.
Reading about widespread Islamic mass rape and race bait fueled riots does tend to put a pallor on my holidy.Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.
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Wow, so much ignorance in such a small post.
You can't even prove that they're not doing anything when their kids are getting shot.
You ignore community work, efforts to stop children from joining gangs and lead poisoning and just post the worst racist drivel you could find, trying to pass it off as fact. You even try to dehumanize them by insinuating that they don't care if their own children die. That is despicable racist racist rubbish and nothing else, or dare you try to prove any of these allegations?
Here's a link to prove that your argument is full of racist drivel: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...olence/255329/
You always like to tell the other side that it needs proof but can't even prove your own arguments...
I already provided proof for the fact that the elevated crime and violence in poor black communities were caused by the greed, negligence and ignorance of the white majority, you have provided nothing but racist talking points!
As for your institutional racism proof: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-...ur-way-of-life
They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!When juveniles hit the court system, it discriminates against blacks as well. Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts.
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What Greyblades says isn't racist at all, just an pretty obvious observation. Let's just look at 'ghetto culture', there is a lot of thoughtfull and poetic rap, but what is most about, bitches and hoes, lots of expensive cars and gold juwelry. Great role-models if life is already really hard. Black community needs some introspective instead of blaming everything on whiteboy.
That's just more "obvious" bullshit, because
a) I already proved his "observation" that black people don't care about their children getting shot by gangs wrong.
b) there are other ghetto cultures which are not black but also violent.
c) white greed poisoned them with lead, of course they are more aggressive, but it's not like they wanted that, chemistry just does that to them. Fix the stupid problems instead of letting the children of Flint and other cities continue to drink lead!
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"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...bully-s-pulpitThis triangular dynamic among bully, victim, and audience is what I mean by the deep structure of bullying. It deserves to be analyzed in the textbooks. Actually, it deserves to be set in giant neon letters everywhere: Bullying creates a moral drama in which the manner of the victim’s reaction to an act of aggression can be used as retrospective justification for the original act of aggression itself.
Not only does this drama appear at the very origins of bullying in early childhood; it is precisely the aspect that endures in adult life. I call it the “you two cut it out” fallacy. Anyone who frequents social media forums will recognize the pattern. Aggressor attacks. Target tries to rise above and do nothing. No one intervenes. Aggressor ramps up attack. Target tries to rise above and do nothing. No one intervenes. Aggressor further ramps up attack.
This can happen a dozen, fifty times, until finally, the target answers back. Then, and only then, a dozen voices immediately sound, crying “Fight! Fight! Look at those two idiots going at it!” or “Can’t you two just calm down and learn to see the other’s point of view?” The clever bully knows that this will happen—and that he will forfeit no points for being the aggressor. He also knows that if he tempers his aggression to just the right pitch, the victim’s response can itself be represented as the problem.
: You’re a decent chap, Jeeves, but I must say, you’re a bit of an imbecile.
: A bit of a . . . what!? What the hell do you mean by that?
: See what I mean? Calm down! I said you were a decent chap. And such language! Don’t you realize there are ladies present?
And what is true of social class is also true of any other form of structural inequality: hence epithets such as “shrill women,” “angry black men,” and an endless variety of similar terms of dismissive contempt. But the essential logic of bullying is prior to such inequalities. It is the ur-stuff of which they are made.
NOTICE TO ALL:
Personal attacks are never allowed, next time it happens the penalties will be severe.
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It's odd that I find Husar calling me a racist less annoying than superuser and legs, I suspect it's because he actually puts some effort into it.
Note the context compared "conspicuously silent" with: "riots"
When the black communities witness one of their most vulnerable killed by a black thug the reaction are subdued; peaceful protests, marches, signs, but when a police man kills one of thier criminals the reaction is rioting and mass destruction. When compared the latter the demographic as a whole are indeed "conspicuously silent".
9 year old girl shot by stray bullet in gang war: riots nowhere to be seen. Mansur ball-bay shot pointing gun at police during drug den raid: Mass arson
Nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee targeted because of father's gang ties, lured into a South Side alley, executed. Peaceful protests.Sylville Smith shot fleeing police while carrying gun used in robbery: Mass Riots, Mobs targeting white people for beatings.
There is a clear double standard in scale of reaction in the black communities and the sad thing is that I learned of these, not by those "racist talking points" as you accuse me of using, but by black people themselves pointing it out:
There is a reason I keep using the terms "black culture" and "black communities" instead of "black people", because I am fully aware that there are black people who find the disparity between the reactions as insane as I do.
I'm going to spoiler my dismantling of your article because it goes on for a bit.As for your institutional racism proof: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-...ur-way-of-life
They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
A lot of conjecture bias and really poor sourcing results in a poor article and an unproven point. The instuitution is not racist and it is depressing to witness people trying to shift every problem of the community on a boogy-man.
A) Apparantly "dont react near as much" means "dont care at all"
B) Seeing the state of the islamic ghettos in europe I have to agree.
C) Lead poisoning affected every black neighbourhood in the country but nowhere else?
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lol@CNN guy, keeps interrupting and than says 'can you let me talk' Nice conversation but do I really have to be there kinda thingie, I would have walked away, that cop cannot even finnish a single sentence. Still better than Dutch 'quality media' though, no extra-warm lamp directed at his head to make him sweat. Yes they do that.
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Eh, no, it's pretty useless to riot or protest against the government in order to stop the problems in your own community.
Unless you are saying that you agree that the government should do more to stop lead poisoning of poor people and do more to raise everyone out of poverty. You also keep ignoring the fact that blacks protesting against racist police does not mean they ignore the problems of their own communities, I already posted a link that cirtes several marches and even your own link mentions this:
Do you ignore this on purpose?And next door, a lawn sign reads: "We Must Stop Killing Each Other."
Hilarious, the guy is a Trump supporter and that's just his opinion anyway.
Great, I stopped when he basically said everyone who disagrees is an idiot. Sounds scientific, bro.
So you only think of them as people when they agree with you?
Lol, yes, I have, so we have three possibilities:
A) Children with black skin do not commit more crimes than children with white skin -> In this case racism is still going on.
B) Children with black skin do commit more crimes than children with white skin -> Your explanation for this comes down to racism and poverty again, conditions the people with black skin colkor did not choose for themselves. The argument that they should have raised themselves by their own bootstraps in the few decades since segregation and so on ended are ludicrous, especially since racism in peoples' heads didn't end at the same time.
C) Mixture of A and B -> In this case the damning of A and B both apply and your excuse is still just racist propaganda.
Lol, hilarious, you keep saying correlation does not equal causation and then refer to statistics that correlate the number of sentenced or arrested people with how many crimes the people of that skin color actually commit. The problem is that your correelation does not prove causation either because if a racist police doesn't even check white people as much as it does black people, the correlation between actual crimes committed and the arrest statistics you base your argument on is for the trash can...
Didn't you complain about double standards above?
Yes, this absolutely explains incidents like this one:
Warning, video is graphic, but the picture already shows in what situation the officer fired.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/new...runs-away.html
Please explain to me why this man deserved to be shot and how there cannot possibly be a racist element to it.
You're already grasping at possibilities anyway, perhaps black people would be nicer to the police if they didn't know that the police target them due to their skin color in the first place.
Because you like your racist fairytales:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-death-penalty
It would be evil and nasty to think racism could be involved, right?
Oh yeah, you critical thinker are so hard to convince and the black people are all lying anyway.
I can see how much you'd like to find the truth because a simple google search turned up this, but I guess the BAR is not trustworthy either...
http://www.americanbar.org/publicati...selection.html
Is it because of your racist argument that you can't see the point of this?Originally Posted by BAR
You mean like you can't prove shit and you keep trying to blame black people for all problems?
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...Do you ignore me on purpose? Not 10 lines amove in your post you quote me addressing the signs and protest, they are pitifully small when compared to the reaction whenever a cop kills anyone and even more pitiful when you know there is little difference in reaction between when the cops kill innocents or criminals.
His political affiliation is irrelevant, he is on the streets dealing with the situations on a daily basis and his opinion carries a lot more weight than Jeff Nesbit a man who pulls facts from dubious sources when not snatching them from the air, and likely hasnt set foot in a ghetto in his life.Hilarious, the guy is a Trump supporter and that's just his opinion anyway.
What does his scientific credibility have to do with it? This is a black man calling out his fellows for behavior he sees as hypocrytical, if he hadnt I would not have been brough to the attention of said child slayings in the first place and the subsequent comparitively pathetic response from the community. I also have to point out how hypocrytical you are being complaining about him accusing everyone who disagrees as an idiot when you are prone to do the same with the term "racist".Great, I stopped when he basically said everyone who disagrees is an idiot. Sounds scientific, bro.
That would be your schtick.So you only think of them as people when they agree with you?
I look forward to seeing you try link thier proven propesnsity towards single parent houshold and poverty, a state shared by other demographics with stronger familial ties.B) Children with black skin do commit more crimes than children with white skin -> Your explanation for this comes down to racism and poverty again, conditions the people with black skin colkor did not choose for themselves. The argument that they should have raised themselves by their own bootstraps in the few decades since segregation and so on ended are ludicrous, especially since racism in peoples' heads didn't end at the same time.
As for my answer:
D) the black community has fostered a culture of noncooperation and criminal glorification that produces children with a severe distrust and disregard for authority that is exacerbated by internal pressures towards self segrigation (the whole "no snitch rule") , rather like a certain other demographic here in europe.
The whole thing about correlation not causation is that mr nesbit keeps failing to actually prove the stats are so because of racism and not for some other reason. Here I am pointing out a lack of statistics indicating that the black arrests were unsubstantiated which would actually indicate racism instead of the inevitable consequenses of a demographic with a higher crime rate to everyone else.Lol, hilarious, you keep saying correlation does not equal causation and then refer to statistics that correlate the number of sentenced or arrested people with how many crimes the people of that skin color actually commit.
A) prove that was racially motivatedYes, this absolutely explains incidents like this one:
Warning, video is graphic, but the picture already shows in what situation the officer fired.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/new...runs-away.html
Please explain to me why this man deserved to be shot and how there cannot possibly be a racist element to it.
You're already grasping at possibilities anyway, perhaps black people would be nicer to the police if they didn't know that the police target them due to their skin color in the first place.
B) prove that such behaviour is widespread among police
C) prove that such behavior is condoned by the institution.
Then you can use it as proof of institutionalised racism. Going by the fact that the cop is due to go on trial for murder in october the last one will require one hell of a stretch.
Also how is that a rebuttal to a comment on the frequency of stop and search arrests?
Hmm, lets see the only out and out racism I can see is that prosecutor, the one that had his racist case struck down and himself forced to resign after a racist email, system seems to be working there.Because you like your racist fairytales:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-death-penalty
It would be evil and nasty to think racism could be involved, right?
Then you have the courts trying to keep thier right to dismiss black jurors who are statistically less likely to give the death penalty for convicted murderers of white people, somewhat less air tight as it points to the victim's race not the perp being what influences the death penalty. The joys of the jury system: the more the jury sympathises with the victim the harsher he sentance, and people tend to sympathise with strangers of similar race. So what's to say; white people care too much about the deaths of whites or blacks care too little, and vice versa?
To solve this I think that this shows we should be filling the juries with none of the ethnicities of victim or murder, or abolish the death penalty alltogether, either would work.
The rest of the guardian article is statistics; 56% of death row inmates are black or Hispanic, African-Americans are 27% of the population, yet comprise 63% of the prisoners, same parroting of stats that look like they imply mass false arrests until you find out the crime rates.
Turns out fairy tale is a good descriptor, as it has a similar proprotion of fact to fiction and is equally relevant to modern times.
That article is written by Bryan Stevenson, the same guy who owns the EJI aka the website hosting the source in the article you used, and the one I was quoting. It does not surprise me that he is telling the same story here as on his own website.Oh yeah, you critical thinker are so hard to convince and the black people are all lying anyway.
I can see how much you'd like to find the truth because a simple google search turned up this, but I guess the BAR is not trustworthy either...
http://www.americanbar.org/publicati...selection.html
He's still not using sources.
"77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person" does not say that the 77% or the 13% are black or white, but statistics based on the precentage of same race crimes in each indicates the opposite of what you and your articles are trying to say it means.Is it because of your racist argument that you can't see the point of this?
Funny, I could have sowrn I was thinking something similar about you when we were debating the brexit.You mean like you can't prove shit and you keep trying to blame black people for all problems?
My assessment of the black community's performance is based on a lack of evidence of negative outside interference, evidence you have failed to produce, and an assumption of agency: that they are not incapable of making things better for themselves. To agree with you from my point of view would be to assume that black people are incapable of bettering themselves and need outside handling to prosper, which is more racist a viewpoint than anything that has been said in this thread.
You should really make your argmuents instead of making claims. Maybe you could start with which of my links "already made his point".
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I feel sorry for Greyblades who patiently tries to point out the hypocracy
I'm very sorry but I'm afraid to continue to the point where I have to buy a program that can prove the size of protest signs on a picture on the internet is appropriate for the severity of the event that sparked the protest.
It's getting a bit too expensive for me at this point.
I'm also not really into wasting my time on wild goose chases while Greyblades dismisses all sources as biased based on his "feelings" that they just can't be right...
You know, my "feelings" tell me that continuing the discussion here ends up being an enormous waste of time that I will regret later because that is how similar discussions ended in the past. Stupid is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results...C'est la vie...
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
In your "James" link. Two studies.You should really make your argmuents instead of making claims. Maybe you could start with which of my links "already made his point".
One agrees completely with Husar.
One doesn't.
Both show you to be totally wrong though.
Little bit of advice for you , if you want to post a link to support your then views read the bloody thing first.
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