Last edited by Greyblades; 03-24-2017 at 23:45.
No, I understood you point exactly. Political correctness does not mean what you think it means.
Last edited by Greyblades; 03-24-2017 at 23:54.
According to Define: Political Correctness in google...
political correctness
noun
noun: political correctness; noun: political correctitude
The avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
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'The avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.'So what does it mean?
There is no qualifier on what determines whose perception of that expression or action as offensive is to be adhiered to or what socially disadvantaged or discriminated entails. This means that political correctness is a term encompasses all scenarios where a person's perception of exclusion, marginalization or insult against a socially disadvantaged or discriminated person or group, regardless of reason on the part of the person.
The mere lack of acknowledgment is an aggressive exclusion, ignorance is active hate, a 1/16th cherokee billionaire is a poor discriminated minority and a black mayor with an excellent track record but running on a republican ticket is a uncle tom. All these views are technically valid under the umbrella of political correctness, for it makes no accomidation for the value of the perceptions regardless of the political motive or mental stability behind them.
This results in a term that covers the spectrum of reason, from the eminently rational principle adopted by nearly everyone that calling a black man a nigger makes the speaker an asshole, to the irrational dictum held by various ex communists that to even imply or suggest immigrants should assimilate in any way regardless of social status, as you did, makes the person expressing the view a racist or other non person.
You were brought up to have respect and regards for others. Political correctness has no claim to be the name of this style of upbringing; being taught to "respect proper Tories and small c conservatives", "respect boundaries between people" and adheir to "communal responsibility" is not being brought up to be politically correct any more than being taught the skill of plucking a chicken means you were brought up to be an animal abuser.
Last edited by Greyblades; 03-25-2017 at 01:06.
I mean that nobody who has known me for over half a decade, as you have, should have any reason to think me a Fascist. If you entertain the possibility then, clearly, you have not been paying attention.
You probably don't know that Strike is a Jewish-lapsed-Baptist who works in a Butcher's shop, either.
Or that he has some interesting jewellery.
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Political correctness, as a term, is usually used to decry how social norms means one can't be as offensive as one wishes to be. Having lived amongst proper, old school Tories for a while, I've never lived in a community where being deliberately offensive was a social norm. The kind of tip-toeing that criticism of political correctness defines as characteristic of that idea, was also part of the Tory values I've seen.
Last edited by Pannonian; 03-25-2017 at 01:07.
That is your bias showing.
Those old school Tories act like the punks of old, rebelling against the establishment by being intentionally offensive. Political correctness as a term is used to decry how social norms are being twisted and exploited to silence speech that the listener dislikes and I dare say all of your Tory neighbours will say the same, but because you come from a different political camp you dont want to believe they mean it and so you look upon them with the same derisive eye those old school tories once held for the thuggish delinquents so long ago.
Last edited by Greyblades; 03-25-2017 at 01:22.
The old school Tories I'm talking about were the establishment. Or at least they supported the established order, CofE, pre-WW2 lifestyle, and all the rest of it. Read up on Wellington for the archetypal Tory, seen in a rather milder form in my old neighbours, but with the same mindset.
That is irrelevant; they havent been the establishment for over 25 years.
Tories have long been unable to dictate how people dress or act or speak or think; They have yet to discredit the marks of shame that thier rivals weild effectively and they have yet to develop a new scarlet letter.
What power they have had has been solely legal, not social, and with the left's domination in the field the tory's mindset has become rebellion in this age.
Last edited by Greyblades; 03-25-2017 at 01:53.
Well, I did say old school Tories. That is, born and bred Tories for generations, with family members who are well and truly part of the establishment. The type who are entirely comfortable and confident with who they are, without any sense of needing to put others down.
The old establisment are the new rebels, to be socially conservative is to be controversial this liberal age, though the pendulum is begining to swing back.
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Last edited by Greyblades; 03-25-2017 at 02:06.
Erm, you've missed my point, that I made in post 54. To old school Tories of the kind I've lived amongst in the past, social conservatism and "political correctness" amount to the same thing in practice, even if approached from different directions. What liberals do out of respect for different cultures, they do out of good manners.
Which I addressed that post 69, that political correctness covers much more than what conservatives do out of politeness and to equate the two is bluntly wrong.
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I haven't read the thread, but I assume there is a noisy majority suggesting some vague war of civilisations and that we should "get tougher" while a few drowned voices are trying to point out the futility and brainlessness of such a contention?
If someone can summarise, much obliged etc
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Which I didnt
Have you lost the ability to tell me and PVC apart?
Did you ever have it to begin with?
Last edited by Greyblades; 03-25-2017 at 19:19.
So, what would be the appropriate response?
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