Unvote; Vote:El Brato
Unvote; Vote:El Brato
So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.
1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?
2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
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"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
A setup (like this) where there is an unknown mix of roles. That is, not a vanilla game, where it's known there's at most a cop and/or doctor, or an open/semi-open setup, where the exact roles or a list of potential roles present, respectively, are given in the opening post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWjTyOdFVI
I was wondering if/when someone would pull something like this
.......Kindly pretend I didn't quote that twice.
Thank you, Viper. Then I will answer the questions.
1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?
This is the easier question of the two. If it is unknown quantity, lynch it, kill it, burn it in fire. Most unknown roles are against the scum, so having a powerful individual with power is a threat and trying to 'invite them in' always turns out bad for the scum who in all essence, can hide. The town is generally disorganised and suspicious, don't need boy wonder to reveal the secrets of the universe so easily.
2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
This is the harder one, mostly because not all power roles are your friends. There has been multiple occasions they have negatives such as being a serial killer/renegade which makes them equal to the scum on the priority lynch-list. There is also the instances of false-claims, after all, scum know who other scum are, so can feign a detective for instance, and even 3rd parties wouldn't be so quick to come forward to correct an innocent result. Generally, there is usually recognition of the role, such as a doctors actions can appear in a write up, similar to role-blocker and other roles, and it is usually handy for 'confirmed townies' roles to work together such as a doctor protecting a known role-blocker who can speak with a voice. However, this game has no out of game communication which makes liasion like this very risky, but a rule of thumb is: If the scum doesn't try to kill them, then there is a reason why if they are unknowns. Thus off to the lynch they go.
tl;dr version of both is: Kill them unless proven otherwise, and even then they are still suspicious wildcard factor.
Last edited by Beskar; 12-10-2015 at 19:24.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
** Anybody know why quotes aren't getting added to my reply box? (Doesn't matter which of the quote buttons I click, nothing new is getting added).
I didn't think Beskar was playing the 'in the dark townie thing' initially - #52 'Never heard of anti-claim mechanics other than getting night killed or lynched for claiming before' read more knowing than spacey to me, but the fact his second question was 'what's a closed setup?' (#95) pushes it a bit.
@Beskar - how many games have you played?
I don't see anything suspicious about Raith's speculation that players may have more mechanical knowledge.
I like the way Raith handled Al Sipsclar's vote etc and the fact that he later prodded inactives.
I agree with Al Sipsclar in #88 that it's better to be active and stir the pot. However, I can't tell how serious he is with his votes so far and if he's serious I'm not a fan of the votes/reasoning for votes on Raith or Edse, or the way he switched to Edse after people didn't follow him on Raith. I do recognise this could be just looking for a response.
@Al Sipsclar - What made you lean Town on Winston in the middle of your vote on Raith in post #59 ? At that point he'd made like three posts.
On others:
@El Barto - Are you playing seriously yet? Literally all of your responses (#80and #81, #84) have been tongue-in-cheek and not much else. Is that a thing for you/here on D1?Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Vote: Cass_. You're posting, but not voting. Why?
My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
Also, El Barto is always unreadable.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?
Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?
Last edited by Al Sipsclar; 12-10-2015 at 20:14.
He's not mafia, he's third party!
I do not consider that a valid vote.
1: Kill the town, win.
2: Kill the mafia, win.
Whaat? I post in English using the Latin alphabet. I could be using other languages and/or alphabets at you. But, still, at least you follow reason and vote for Cass_.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
I played regularly on the Org around.. 3 years ago? First time after a long break.
First question is I have never had a game where someone claimed something in-game have in resulting on GM effects on their roles, which is an interesting idea but I have never experienced that in a game before so I am unfamiliar with such a set-up being used.
Second one you pointed out, I was unfamiliar with the term "closed set-up" so I was asking for clarity if it meant "not communicating outside of thread" or simply "unknown quantity of roles" which it was clarified as. So it seems if I used my initial assumption, I would have been answering incorrectly. The latter I usually put that down as 'typical Org mafia game' as we rarely played vanilla, especially in my games.
Eitherway, I am not clueless or intending to be as such.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
At least we've managed to avoid the snake puns.
Firstly, I'd ask this question before we started.
Second, I'd wonder if the mafia is idea starved and rooting around for information with this. But that's early paranoia.
Third, as town, I'd try to get a lot of information out there and be open to talking with the 3rd parties if possible. Don't know if they're hostile till they're hostile. Sprinkle with skepticism and an itchy lynch finger if unaccounted for kills or powers are flying around inconveniently.
As mafia? I'd either ignore your question, or lie to you point blank about what I was really doing.
No no no. It's day 1. Unless you're a master vote logician, day 1 votes are gibberish until you've had a few days to stew.
Talking is great day 1. The mafia don't yet know what the town culture's gonna be like. They have to make wild predictions and then try to be consistent later. Day 1 for a mafia is great if they can slink by with nothing but a vote. Or anything at all. I don't like the OMGUS here frankly. It makes me want to poke you more later.
Double posting cool here?
Didn't see anything on the forum rules...
Yey! quotes work! Added numbers for easy reference
1). Because I don't feel I have enough to go on to say someone's actually scummy yet - see your own comment in 2) and add in the fact I don't know how any of you traditionally play. Communication's important to me in this game. I typically look for things that I think have potential for scummy motive, question them and wait for the responses before I cast a vote.
Can you confirm if 2). was in response to my question about your Town read of Winston? If so, that was kind of my point - it seems weird to me to call someone Town with so little to go on ITT and I'm trying to understand if you have meta/Town tells on Winston that I wouldn't be aware of.
3). Can you elaborate? As in he never posts anything but jokes?
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Why do you cast a vote that -we both agree- is not a good vote?
He'd managed to escape notice until you made that post. He won't wriggle out of that now!
Within limits, yes. Making one or two long-ish posts is considered better than making six posts in a row. This forum allows and encourages multioquoting.
I beg your pardon? My answers to ScarlettAria were 100% serious. Or maybe 99.99% serious.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
It's day one. No one should look scummy yet. 5 bucks says that a hapless townie is going to be lynched today, and mafia don't even have to participate in the lynch. They would pull all the tricks to avoid the responsibility. They may happily vote off the wagon or for each other. But sometimes they have to move their vote to avoid being lynched on D1. So, voting early and seeing who voted who and when is important. It is your duty as a townie.
My read on Winston is totally metagamish and not a very definitive one. I might be totally wrong. El Barto is always very entertaining, but hard to tell for me if he's scummy. The only tell I have for him is that the more active he is, the more chances are he's town.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
But this game you've been 100% on your guesses so far, voting me is a bad vote. What is your read on Winston, anyway?
Hmmm… really.Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Some would argue the exact opposite.
I wish you had stuck with Tiaexz as a name… A couple months ago I binged through OotS' archives (exactly 100 pages a day) so now I keep calling all female orc characters Therkla and keep calling you Belkar.
Last edited by El Barto; 12-10-2015 at 21:43.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).
About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.
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