Voilà un homme.when I'm a lone scum going against 16 townies, I'm going to have to take a few risks if I want to get anywhere
But why? I was prepared to rely on you to the fullest. It don't understand how you can be concerned both about getting killed and about Committee numbers. (And of course, Choxorn was your killer.)I have no regrets about the Montmorency vig. I wanted to take out the Committee's vig numbers if I died because I knew our faction was never getting another rep there and would naturally get the short end of the stick even absent Monty's regrettable biases :p -- choxorn would have been my third choice, there, lol. Oh well.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
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also choxorn
why didn't you play like this when we were scum teammates? :(
@Manasi Nah, I think this was completely on my head at this point, I failed spectacularly at the end. I should of just stuck with the plan to vote choxorn. I put far too much weight on the fact that Zack, Monty, etc. had cleared him, and tonally he seemed good to me. I had my doubts after reading back through all your posts, but I felt committed, and I feel like an ass at this point. My apologies for doubting you at the end, and for being a at the end as well.
GGWP Choxorn! Thanks for hosting GH it was an amazing game!
As long as I was alive and had a voice in the Committee it was at least hypothetically working for us. As soon as I died, that stopped being true. This is why I was pushing you to recruit Dp if I died, so we'd still have a presence there. But you kept pushing him and Csargo as scum and I didn't see you recruiting Manasi either -- that meant the vig was going to be used against us.
I mean, you wouldn't even listen to me about Dp -- you say you were going to rely on me, but you wouldn't listen to me. You were a liability to my faction.
Actually, Manasi was intended for N5 (rotating factions), and I stopped pushing Csargo after D2. I understand your frustration over DP, but I really wanted him specifically flipped so if Khaan had been lynched town with DP as secondary wagon - you see? There wasn't an easy way out here. I did listen to you at the beginning of the day, but in the thunderdome at EOD...
Maybe I should have informed you in QT, but as usual I hoped history would vindicate me.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
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Starts D2 with all three of his buddies dead and eighteen town remaining.
Wins comfortably.
Yes, the clear mislynch (even without hindsight) in this game was the day before. For Zack, Lewwyn's death that day could never win the game, and constrained his options. Given that NAC had a target on his back, a Mil was the clear choice. For Lewwyn, obviously, his lynch could never win. For an innocent Gir, a Lewwyn lynch removed any chance of an outright win (given NAC's status). The only way a Lewwyn lynch was better than a Manasi lynch was if Lewwyn was a scum with Zack, csaro, or choxorn.
That day had me almost sold on Zack's scumminess, because I couldn't see any reason. Turns out it was just fog of war.
My game on Civfanatics could use a few more!: MNOTW XVII: The Cursed Blade!
honestly just wanted the montagnards to die off and didn't think I had a chance of winning
We did bad as town, and we got distracted big-time by the faction thing.
But still...
This wasn't on shite towning.
This was chox handing us our arses.
Zack was an excellent faction leader.
Monty was hugely entertaining.
Fenn gets the deadeye award.
I wonder if pizza might have been the difference.
He was showing the sharpest town form I've seen from him in a long while, and his death removed a major threat to chox.
GG everybody, and thanks for all the compliments of my scum game.
I actually used the Girondins' last watch on NAC on the last night for shits and giggles, and had several different ideas of how I was planning on saying I used it, depending on what people said to start the day off. Then everyone had to go and say nothing for most of the day and Manasi and Csargo voted each other, so I figured, why bother?
I didn't seriously think Winston was a royalist, but I was more than happy to stoke everyone else's paranoia about him and convince my faction to kill him because that helps me win. Hope there's no hard feelings about that, that's just the way the game goes sometimes.
because lol day 1's
~~I'M A STRONG, INDEPENDENT SCUMBAG~~
~~WHO DON'T NEED NO TEAMMATES~~
your meta just dropped off a cliff
default lynch from now on
At the beginning, I was more scared of Zack and Renata than I was of him, because while he was in good town form he seemed to trust me. I certainly wasn't upset to see him die, but I wasn't planning on killing him myself for a little while, and I was figuring if I waited long enough either some other faction would use a vig shot on him or the town would get paranoid and lynch him. I just wasn't expecting him to die that quickly.
Really, the faction-based gameplay is the only reason I won because people got too focused on killing each other to look hard enough at the Royalists, and the night where everyone killed each other really helped my case- before that night, I was certain that at some point I'd be going up against people that were more clear than I was and I'd end up in someone else's PoE, but then Night 4 happened and Monty, Snerk, and Al died, and they were all very clear-looking townies, and it was 6 players left and three of them looking scummier than me, which put me in the best position I'd been in all game.
But yeah, if I was 1 v 18 in a more vanilla game, there's no way in hell I would have been able to survive long enough to win. I'm not sure if any scum could win with odds that long.
Chox you are my new personal hero! You picked up the ashes of royalist´s and pressed a diamond out of it. Virtuous game good man,virtuous! And when you frustrated about talking to yourself in QT for my part. I was enjoying the insight for your game all the way.
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Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
Okay, let's get the standard GH Postgame Goodie Bonanza rolling. Tomorrow I'll start talking about the features and balancing, etc (and maybe one or two other things), but first up are the roles. These are separated by faction, in the order that random.org dictated to me back when I was assigning factions and roles. These will be presented without commentary - that comes later.
Montagnards:
Augustin Robespierre - sent to Montmorency (cover role)
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Maximilien Robespierre - sent to Montmorency
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Louis-Antoine de Saint-Just - sent to Jabbz
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Georges Couthon - sent to Lewwyn
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Jacques-Louis David - sent to seireikhaan
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Marquis de Sade - sent to Snerk
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Jacques Nicolas Billaud-Varenne - sent to BSmith
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Populists:
Georges Danton - sent to autolycus
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Camille Desmoulins - sent to Logic
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Jacques H?bert - sent to Zack
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Jacques Roux - sent to El Barto
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Collot d'Herbois - sent to Sooh (later Winston Hughes)
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Jean-Paul Marat - sent to Arakhor
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Girondins:
Charlotte Corday - sent to Askthepizzaguy
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Abb? Siey?s - sent to atheotes
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Olympe de Gouges - sent to Choxorn
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Jacques Brissot - sent to NotACop
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Pierre Vergniaud - sent to Al Sipsclar
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Madame Roland - sent to Kagemusha
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Militarists:
Lazare Carnot - sent to Monstrdude
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Joseph Fouch? - sent to Manasi
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Jeanbon Saint-Andr? - sent to Renata
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Paul Barras - sent to Dp101
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Robert Lindet - sent to Fenn
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Bertrand Bar?re - sent to Csargo
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Royalists:
Royalist PM - sent to Jabbz, Kagemusha, Monstrdude, and, surprisingly, Choxorn
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"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
GG and gratz to le royalists! Thanks for hosting, GH. I'm impressed by the labour you've put into this. Was your interest and knowledge of revolutionary France already so keen or did you learn some things too researching for this game?
I guess my only redeeming factor this game is that Chox pinged me d1 so he was my top suggestion for the faction vig, though we settled for Logic instead. But after that he went of my rader and stayed there until game's end. I'm now ready to categorise choxorn among players where tone has little value in getting a town lean from me. Gimme something solid or you're a plausible lynch. This is why I was ready to lynch Winston despite his townieness. Cus he can fake dat sh*t.
A little bit of both. I already knew a fair amount but definitely had to do further research to fill out some of the character bios/the overall roster.
BTW, if anybody's interested in further reading about the period, I'd greatly recommend R. R. Palmer's Twelve Who Ruled, which is a very readable and excellent account of the actions of the Committee of Public Safety and a good look into the Reign of Terror as a whole. There's a reason it's bolded in my bibliography back in the first post.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Congratulations to Choxorn! I suppose that just goes to show that in a faction game, gamely insisting that you're only playing to your faction is a sure way to lose (unless of course you're the scum).
Agreed in theory but you still got to play to win, yeah? I mean sure the Zack and Manasi town purges were kinda instrumental for a scum victory, but it also kept their own factions still in the race. Wouldn't necessarily have played it different myself. Well except for the Monty vig, that still makes me giggle. Jesus christ.
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