XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I somehow skipped over some of my thoughts here.

"I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes with you thinking he is someone capable of clearing himself."

Oh that's where you're mistaken.

He might be a little shaken right now, and overwhelmed, that's possible. But we have a whole day and now we're content-heavy.

This is where he will shine if town.

If I wasn't scumreading him moderately confidently now, I'd back off and let him do his process for a couple days like my original plan was.

But as of now he's my top scum read all alone and that's just not something to walk away from for no reason. Now I need a stronger scum read or for him to look townie to me.

[Csargo]

Why are you not voting for him?

Wowee, what a guy. facetious statement geez Barto, get on my lvl.

[Csargo]

Oh that's where you're mistaken.

He might be a little shaken right now, and overwhelmed, that's possible. But we have a whole day and now we're content-heavy.

This is where he will shine if town.

If I wasn't scumreading him moderately confidently now, I'd back off and let him do his process for a couple days like my original plan was.

But as of now he's my top scum read all alone and that's just not something to walk away from for no reason. Now I need a stronger scum read or for him to look townie to me.

This.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's why you keep this poker face of yours.

I've laid out every thought I've had so far, without going into mega-details.

No poker face from me. The difficulty in reading me as scum is that I can mimic that behavior well. It just happens to be genuine here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.

This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.

[Csargo]

It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.

This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.

Good night Pizza! I promise I won't vote you while you're sleeping, probably...

[El Barto]

@Askthepizzaguy: look for the proposed Jowy-crimson_snow link when you return to this forum.

It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.

This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.

Good night Pizza! I promise I won't vote you while you're sleeping, probably...

He's only pretending to sleep.

[Jowy]

It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.

This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.

5am here.. So sleepy! I'm watching commercials. Occasionally they're interrupted by the NHL awards show.

[Dp101]

My questioning is not something that has to be responded to right now. Your hunting scums and finding townies takes precedence over my one vote on you.

I realize that I'm a fire and you're bleeding nitroglycerin right now, so I'll suppress my triumphalism and grandstanding that would ordinarily take place if I thought I was convincingly lynching a townie here as a wolf.

I will just say, calmly, you continue to look bad to me.

Jsyk, telling me that you were planning on condescending but you didn't because you were worried about my feelings/reaction is just as bad as actually condescending towards me.

[Dp101]

I kind of want to say that a wolf just...doesn't scum read the people attacking him, and town read the person saying to stop bullying him. It's so binary and level 1 and bad.

Also don't read me on tone.

I am as pure as a newborn child tone-wise and will bathe in the blood of town if I get written off due to it generally.

Town read me on process/content, fine, fine, but tone is both easy and lazy.

You are focussing too much on the end result and not enough on the process in your first 2 sentences. The reasons I scumread and townread those people have nothing to do with them attacking me specifically. As for the rest of your post, well, tone is all we really have right now, and I tend to continue using it to hunt throughout the game. Will keep in mind though that you apparently are good at it. Given how much of an unknown you appear here, however, I think I have to give you an even stronger townread for telling us that fact, as there is literally no incentive to do that and make us suspect you more.

[Dp101]

I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.

He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.

This is what he did to me in the game I mentioned earlier, by the way. This kinda sidelong push, the whole "I'm just pressuring" angle, and then in the end, claiming that I didn't improve and following me down. I might reread that game later actually, to confirm.

[Dp101]

ATPG is scum until he is lynched and flips town imo.

Solid strat.

[Dp101]

That's why when he has time, he needs to post those reads.

How to read dp101 at this point is to allow him to do his town-finding process and wolf-finding process.

I'm not going to delay my reactions in real time, but he should be the one prioritizing the town-finding on his end, and so forth. It's a choice not to do the reads you say you'll do in a minute.

I still remember the time you complained bitterly that I didn't answer one of your questions instantly, think it was in my first game here, so I was just trying to appease you. Apparently though you now prefer me ignoring you though?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Askthepizzaguy: look for the proposed Jowy-crimson_snow link when you return to this forum.

He's only pretending to sleep.

Gah Can't I quietly re-read the game and update my notes before I log off in peace?

The fudge you mentioning me for.

Also, don't know me so well. It's remarkably accurate of you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what he did to me in the game I mentioned earlier, by the way. This kinda sidelong push, the whole "I'm just pressuring" angle, and then in the end, claiming that I didn't improve and following me down. I might reread that game later actually, to confirm.

How bout you focus on this one. That'd be good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still remember the time you complained bitterly that I didn't answer one of your questions instantly, think it was in my first game here, so I was just trying to appease you. Apparently though you now prefer me ignoring you though?

Yeah absolutely if I'm wrong you need to put me down as wrong and townie and go find the scums or make a bigger town than just you and me in it.

Something solid and productive, less stalling.

[El Barto]

Gah Can't I quietly re-read the game and update my notes before I log off in peace?

The fudge you mentioning me for.

Also, don't know me so well. It's remarkably accurate of you.

First log off, then re-read the game.

Yeah absolutely if I'm wrong you need to put me down as wrong and townie and go find the scums or make a bigger town than just you and me in it.

Something solid and productive, less stalling.

Your being wrong about something proves you a townie? This is most perplexing.

[Dp101]

Reread is occuring. I think Novice is slightly towny, but only slightly, and I already know he's capable of that kind of thing. Manasi seems more forced than normal, and the early comment about the difference between neutral and third-party makes me think some kinda anti-town third party role. I am terrible at reading spamposters however, which is why you won't see a Champ read in here. Logic was decent once he stopped spamming, but could do with more posts. Winston objectively towny with his jokey attitude, doesn't feel forced at all. Monty is Monty, I really don't know how to read him, at all. Maybe slight town for doing the same kinda snap read on me that he does every game (or at least, it felt like a snap read last time)? But he does that as scum as well, I dunno. Everyone else needs to post more.

[Dp101]

Well, this tally doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for the rest of the game.

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Tally as of post 318:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Champ (Manasi)
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency)
1 votes: Novice (autolycus)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic)
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy)
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith)
1 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow)
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101)

Voting history:

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Manasi

Champ

No Lynch

Fredwood

Dp101

No Lynch

Askthepizzaguy

crimson_snow

Askthepizzaguy

Novice

Novice

Winston Hughes

Autolycus

Sooh

Manasi

El barto

ATPG

Dp101

dp101

Cuthillius

El Barto

Dp101

Csargo

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reread is occuring. I think Novice is slightly towny, but only slightly, and I already know he's capable of that kind of thing. Manasi seems more forced than normal, and the early comment about the difference between neutral and third-party makes me think some kinda anti-town third party role. I am terrible at reading spamposters however, which is why you won't see a Champ read in here. Logic was decent once he stopped spamming, but could do with more posts. Winston objectively towny with his jokey attitude, doesn't feel forced at all. Monty is Monty, I really don't know how to read him, at all. Maybe slight town for doing the same kinda snap read on me that he does every game (or at least, it felt like a snap read last time)? But he does that as scum as well, I dunno. Everyone else needs to post more.

Noting that there is a new note noted in my notes.

[Dp101]

Noting that there is a new note noted in my notes.

Well that's ominous, and certainly not boosting my confidence that you are town. Also, go to bed.

[Csargo]

ATPG delirious, man how beautiful. This can only become more glorious.

[Dp101]

Anyone around? Thoughts on the game so far/ the arguments against me?

[Cuthillius]

General game-related question to all:

Can you find two townies besides yourself yet, and who are they, if you want to share it?

Manasi and Champ as of this post

with a big disclaimer that those are both pretty thin

[Cuthillius]

DP town.

vote:monty for this and followup

was not super fond, felt like took advantage of longish dp post, not hugely natural feeling

/shrug

[Cuthillius]

And since I don't have any strong scum leans, I'm going to vote the Miller claimant. Every time.

you

you do realize 7% is squarely below rand

[Cuthillius]

csargo, pizza, jowy all town

cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg

pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto

jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like

[Dp101]

csargo, pizza, jowy all town

cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg

pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto

jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like

Let me guess, you scumread me too?

[Cuthillius]

HOWEVER

i also kinda think dp is town

i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses

he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts

here it just feels pretty natural

with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread

as of right now again i do like all of the listed

would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him

struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads

but eh we'll see

[Cuthillius]

Let me guess, you scumread me too?

no, but i'm fairly confident i saw the same things they saw that led up to the point where you were being scumread