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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Uh, does natalia even still exist?
    Since in our game, no action was taken against it (afaik), the republic should still exist...

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Cobra View Post
    our orders are enforced as of 15th of February, right?
    Iirc, he stated that the orders need to travel from the capital/ruler's location, so they are issued on the 1st of January, but they will require time to reach their destination and being performed...
    Last edited by Arjos; 10-31-2012 at 18:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    Since in our game, no action was taken against it (afaik), the republic should still exist...
    I see, I will rectify this oversight shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Cobra View Post
    One question SFSG... I see the dates in the updates are since 1st of January but our orders are enforced as of 15th of February, right?
    Actualy there are two basic times: The time when orders arrive is when commanders on a front will start acting on their instructions (thus all my calculations for distance from Edirne - where the Czar issued his orders - to the Russian garrisons and other front). If the Monarch, unlike the Russian Czar or the King of the Greeks, is not on campaign orders are assumed to have been sent from the capital.

    However secondly there are mid turn decisions: Three battles (Battle of Kesan, Battle of Tripoli and Fourth Battle of Varna) occured before orders arrived (well in the Varna battle actualy orders arrived mid way through the battle). One problem that Russians suffered from in early 1845 was that the early loss of Varna effectively made alot of their early orders meaningless: You can't gather small garrisons at a place occupied by a large enemy army but I digress... The point is that some 'mid turn decisions' can and were made before orders arrived from the central Government (the Prussian position at Kesan).

    Basicly unless your King is nearby mid turn decisions are NOT made by the 'Government'. In a tactical or 'battle decision' for say the French in Syria the battle would over 2 - 2.5 months after the question arrived in Paris. These decisions are made by the commander on the ground. Even if they have received a Government 'order' like that which Hitler gave on the Eastern Front "no withdrawal" no sane commander is going to sacrifice his life or that of his troops holding a strategicaly useless place.

    Basicaly 'orders' are a kind of idealised 'wish list' for commanders (in terms of revenue and investment they are less prone to error obviously) and the circumstances a general faces may not match up at all with the idealised vision. So the Russian orders to gather at Varna are in fact redundant 5 days into the year and much of the French orders to support Jaffa and Beirut made senseless before the reinforcements arrived (this was one of the reasons I had such trouble with this Chapter). So future I plan broaden the scope of and increase the number of mid turn decisions. In places where a whole plan is rendered senseless I shall ask (for example the French decision made at Cyprus to go for Egypt... should it have gone back to Syria?).

    I aslo have a question: Warman wishes to play as Switzerland. Obviously he is banned from the forum so I am not sure how easily he contact other players. Anyway what are players thoughts? I have no objection and it seems easy enough to set up an email contact system which can exclude me (I don't think contacts between players should be known to me).

    Finaly my own Generals Awards! Engelhardt for sheer doggedness and refusal to give in (how many times has taken/lost Varna?) and for finaly realising the importance of the Danube gets a glass eye (he lost one in 1844). Bugeaud, for capturing Jerusalem without bloodshed and for his brilliant defence of Alexandria at the battle of the Nile Delta gets a pint of Carlesberg.

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    What about me? Unlike the rest of these I work through Parliament/the Cabinet, not the monarch.
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    What about me? Unlike the rest of these I work through Parliament/the Cabinet, not the monarch.
    The answer is simple. All your orders will be discussed and rediscussed and turned upside down and when there is a compromise, you won't recognize your innitial intentions.
    By the way, it is same here at France, just faster!

    I aslo have a question: Warman wishes to play as Switzerland. Obviously he is banned from the forum so I am not sure how easily he contact other players. Anyway what are players thoughts? I have no objection and it seems easy enough to set up an email contact system which can exclude me (I don't think contacts between players should be known to me).
    No way! We neither need Warman nor Switzerland.

    When will we get the civil events?

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    I'm theoretically fine ith Warmen and Switzerland but I do know anything about this banned stuff. Having swizerland will be interesting but it will become crowded there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    What about me? Unlike the rest of these I work through Parliament/the Cabinet, not the monarch.
    Where does Parliament sit? London. Orders to India take a long time.

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    True, though with the technically I think it would be possible for me to set up a micro parliament close to any war front to make decisions at the scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    True, though with the technically I think it would be possible for me to set up a micro parliament close to any war front to make decisions at the scene.
    And monarchs can sent emmisaries...

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    Well in theory, the East India Company, is in charge, with the parliament's trust. It has, however, to follow any legislation from London...

    As for Warman, I have no problem personally. But there's the ban, now I don't know if it's meant to simply avoid posting, so it would be allowed for him to submit orders or not...
    Last edited by Arjos; 11-04-2012 at 07:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    When will we get the civil events?
    This week coming. Have to go abroad for a few days but will take all the files with me and hope to have it up by Friday latest.

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    Don't hurry!

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    Uh, everything ok there SFSG?



    Please dont be quiting, please dont be quiting, please dont be quitting...
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    Guess he needs some time to recover from the huge military chapters!

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    Maybe we can use the period until the next delivery for a small research upon the topic.

    A short look at the internet gave me these population numbers (some are rough estimations though). Feel free to give better ones:

    Population in millions in 1848:

    France: 36
    UK: 28 (maybe ireland is not in it)
    Russia: 40 - 50
    Austria: 30 - 35
    Prussia: 15
    Sardinia ?

    Now some other important countries:

    Arabian World (including Northern Africa and Western Asia) 12 - 15 million
    some of this are:
    Egypt: 3 - 4
    Lybia: 0.3
    Palestine: 0.3
    Lebanon: 0.2
    Syria: <1
    Iraq: <2
    Sudan: <1.5
    Arabia ?

    Ottoman Empire (only the area of modern Turkey): <11

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    Explains why france keeps blobbing in every game ever. You'd think that india would have more people than france just through landmass.

    This guy (second post) seems to give us this:

    1) Russia : 62.4 million
    2) Austria-Hungary : 34.9 million
    3) France : 34 million
    4) Germany : 32.5 million
    5) Italy : 22 million
    6) England + Wales : 16 million
    7) Spain : 14 million
    8) Ireland : 8.2 million
    9) Belgium : 4.1 million
    10) Sweden : 3.1 million
    11) Netherlands : 2.9 million
    12) Scotland : 2.5 million
    13) Finland : 1.5 million
    14) Denmark : 1.3 million
    15) Norway : 1.2 million
    16) Greece : 0.9 million
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    Indeed, that is the explanation, why France has always the best leaders.

    Any numbers for "Turkey"?
    Any news from SFSG? Hope he is fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    Indeed, that is the explanation, why France has always the best leaders.

    Any numbers for "Turkey"?
    Any news from SFSG? Hope he is fine!
    Of course, also why she always had the worst leaders too, for every Napoleon there is at least 100 Neys.
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    Default Re: Concert of Europe

    How do we proceed?

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    Well first we find a good concrete wall, and then we beat our heads against it. This is the upteenth strategy forum game that's been skuppered.
    Last edited by Greyblades; 11-23-2012 at 14:32.
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    Perhaps it quickly becomes too big a job to be done by only one person.
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    Well, we have different scenarios:

    1) SFSG returns (=most prefered solution) and everybody is still willing to play.
    It is strange that SFSG suddenly disappeared without a trace. Is he ill? Or banned? Very confusing!! Has anybody a contact to him??

    2) Most of the players do not wish to go on playing (not most prefered solution). The game ends - again!

    3) The players are still crazy to play and anotherone does the hosting. This could be me (as well as someone else). But we would need committment of at least seven players.

    4) More and more players want to join the game (=unlikely scenario).
    I think SFSG pointed out the meaning if the long distance like noone had done before. Furthermore the countries in the east became more important. We could have two hosts, one for the west, one for the east, with only little diplomacy between the two sides.

    What do you think?

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    I really hope number 1 happens lol

    No idea what's up with SoFar, it's possible he simply can't log or doesn't have the time...

    If he will be permanently unavailable as host, I'd really like to see the game hosted by anyone, but I don't like the idea of limited diplomacy...

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    Well, I thought only limited between east and west, as it already was.

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    What do you mean by east-west?
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    Sorry! I meant the 4th option.
    Lately in the game we saw that the eastern coutries became more and more powerful and were actually the strongest block in the game. This gave some problems, as the host was referee and ruler of the east in one person.
    To solve this, it would be helpful, to have one player for this superfaction. Even better would be to have several players for Ottomans, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Egypt. This, however, would raise more problems. First of all, we do not have the players. Second, it would go beyond the capacity of the host.
    Therefore my thought was to have two hosts, one for the eastern factions and one for the western factions with only limited diplomacy between the two sides, for example between France and Iraq.

    But that was just a mind game.

    (How) do we go on?

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    So did you mean limited diplomacy, between the eastern and western NPCs?
    Though if a player wants to send a diplomatic mission to a far away country, I don't see why it should be illegal...

    Anyway SoFar, never logged in the org, for a good two weeks now: hope he's ok!
    If you are up to host, I'm fine with that, just let me know it and I will send the russian overall picture and the last internal affairs orders...

    Still I have no problem waiting some more :)
    Last edited by Arjos; 11-23-2012 at 18:40.

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    Alright! If you want me to, I will take world dominance. Should s.o. not agree. please tell me!!

    Therefore we need two things:

    1) 2 players (France and Ottoman)

    2) I need some info about your current status. Maybe you can answer these:

    1) Your in role character's name
    2) your legal constitution
    3) your army strength and deployment
    4) army losses during the last 3 years
    5) your navy strength and deployment
    6) conquered or lost territories
    7) diplomatic agreements
    8) railroads built
    9) research programs finished or in progress (status)
    10) other things.

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    Default Re: Concert of Europe

    Want to hear if everyone is ok with it, but how are we proceeding with the non-military orders, waiting for a response this year?

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    Let's first gather the status quo. SFSG did a lot confidental - budget, army size etc.. So I have to get everything first. Then let's talk how to proceed.

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