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SCOTS ===== - MALE FIRST NAMES: Aed Ainbhcellach Alpin/Elpin Argyle Blaine Brennan Brian Briodhan Broidhan Brude Cadgain Cinaed/Ciniod/Connad/Kineth (Kenneth) Comhghall Conall/Canaul Conan Connor Constaighnan (Constantine) Domangart Domnall Donovan Drustan Dwayne Eochaid Eoghan Ferchar Fergal Fergus Garbhan Gallagher Goighan Guy Iomchadh Lonan Maelduin Muireadach Murtagh Nechtan/Nechton Niall/Niel Oengus/Onuist Ranika/Raniga/Raighnaigha (must be included as thanks for all help)Riordan Ronan Seanan Seighin Talorcen/Talorgen Tanaidh Tighearnach Troidhan Turlough/Turlac - SURNAMES: Boroime Caidhbornan Caidhfielth Dal Conna Dal Cruiddha Dal Riada Dal Sci Derrontae Dorgoth Dragonach Kintaraeta Lotorae mac Alpin mac Argyle mac Bridei mac Connall mac Derile/Derelei mac Drustan mac Eochaid mac Fergus mac Nechtan mac Niel mac Lonan mac Oengus mac Talorcan mac Uuredech - FEMALE NAMES: Ailbhe Aoife Ana Blaithnaid Brighid Cathan Ceara Cliodhna Dunfhlaith Echna Emer Fainche Fiachara Laoghaire Laoise Lasairfhiona Muireann Muirin Oona Riona Roisin Saorla Sarnait Teffia Tuathla Tuilelaith Uaine Una IRISH ==== - MALE FIRST NAMES: Aed Ainbhcellach Alpin/Elpin Argyle Brian Briodhan Broidhan Brennan Cadgain Cinaed/Ciniod/Connad/Kineth (Kenneth) Comhghall Conall/Canaul Conan Connor Conchobar Domnall Donn Donovan Dwayne Eochaid Eoghan Feradach Fergal Fergus Gallagher Garret Goighan Guy Iomchadh Lonan Maelduin Muireadach Murtagh Nechtan/Nechton Niall/Niel Ranika/Raniga/Raighnaigha (must be included as thanks for all help)Riordan Ronan Ross Ruairc Seanan Seighin Tadg Tanaidh Tighearnach Troidhan - SURNAMES: Boroime Dal Aranna Dal Cais Dal Coinn Dal Danna mac Aed mac Conchobar mac Ross mac Tigernan Ui Aan Ui Aedhor Ui Aran Ui Cairn Ui Conna Ui Cuinnaghta Ui Diarmat Ui Diodhan Ui Domnall Ui Errain Ui Ivernan Ui Kanlae/Kanlae Ui Mumai Ui Niall Ui Niell Ui Rilleigh Ui Riordan Ui Ruairc Ui Sloighan - FEMALE NAMES: Ailbhe Aoife Ana Blaithnaid Brighid Cathan Ceara Cliodhna Dunfhlaith Echna Emer Fainche Fiachara Laoghaire Laoise Lasairfhiona Muireann Muirin Oona Riona Roisin Saorla Sarnait Teffia Tuathla Tuilelaith Uaine Una PAPAL STATES =========== MALE FIRST NAMES - These are based on list of Popes from around 600 AD to 1100 AD (most of those picked from outside 843 to 1099 very also used between those dates so I don't think this list needs any changes): Alexander Anastasius Benedictus Bonifacius Bonifatius Celestinus Clemens Damasus Deusdedit Eugenius Felix Gregorius Honorius Innocens Ioannes Lando Leo Lucius Marinus Martinus Nicholas Nicholaus Paulus Romanus Sabinianus Sergius Severinus Silvester Stephanus Theodorus Urbanus Valentinius Victor Vigilius Vitalianus RUS === - Based on names of Kievan Rus rulers and Riurik dynasty rulers (only Riurik and Oleg): Riurik/Rurik Oleg Anund Askold Dir Igor Sviatoslav Yaropolk Vladimir Sviatopolk Yaroslav Iziaslav Vseslav Vsevolod - Later monarchs, perhaps not applicable (in order of decreasing usefulness for this mod, i.e. in this case chronological time order): Mstislav Vyacheslav Yuri Rostislav Mstislav Gleb Mikhalko Roman Ingvar Rostislav Mstislav Mikhail Danylo Alexander - Female: Olga FRANCE ====== - Based on Carolingian and Capetian dynasty names: Philip Pepin Charles Louis Carloman Odo Robert Raoul Hugh Henry - Based on merovingian dynasty (therefore perhaps not good to include) and carolingian mayors of palace before carolingian dynasty begun. In order to descreasing usefulness for the mod (i.e. in reverse chronological time order): Arnulf Childeric Dagobert Childebert Clovis Theuderic Clotaire Sigebert Charibert Guntram Charibert Chilperic Theudebert NORMANDY ======== Rollo William Richard Robert William Robert - Perhaps out of time frame (rulers after 1100 AD): Henry Stephen - Possible "Cognomina" by vices and virtues: Longsword the Devil the Bastard the Conqueror Curthose WELSH ===== Dafydd - Based on Deheubart rulers: Howell Owain Rhodri Edwin Maredudd Cynan Edwin Cadell Llywelyn Rhydderch Hywel Gruffydd Rhys - These "surnames" were assigned like this: a son of Edwin of the name X would get the name X ab Edwin. Can't be implemented though, so I guess the best system is to simply let these "surnames" be randomly chosen in the standard way. ap Hywel ab Owain ab Einion ap Seisyll ap Iestyn ab Edwin ap Rhydderch ap Llywelyn ap Tewdwr - Based on Gwynedd rulers: Rhodri Caradog Cynan Hywel Merfyn Anarawd Idwal Iago Ieuaf Cadwallon Maredudd Llywelyn Gruffydd Bleddyn Rhiwallon Trahern - "Surnames" of Gwynedd rulers: ap Idwal ap Meirion ap Rhodri ab Caradog ap Gwriad ap Merfyn ap Rhodri ap Anarawd ap Cadell ab Idwal ap Ieuaf ap Owain ap Seisyll ap Meurig ap Llywelyn ap Cynfyn ap Cynan - Based on other Welsh kingdoms: Owain Iestyn Rhydderch Nowy Arthfael Edwyn Meurig Cadwgan Bleddyn Madog Iorwerth Cadwgan - Surnames: ap Gwriad ap Nowy ap Elisedd ap Meurig ap Gruffydd ap Gwrgan ap Cynfyn ap Bleddyn - Possible "cognomina", perhaps caused by vices and virtues: Wledig (imperator) Yrth (impetuous) Lawhir (long hand) Hir (tall) Cadomedd (battle-shirker) Fendigaid (blessed) Molwynog (bald and gray) Farf-Fehinog (greasy beard) Frych (freckled) Mawr (the great) Foel (bald) Dda (good) Hen (the old) LOTHARINGIA ========== Pepin/Pippin Bernard Lothar Louis Charles Berengar Guy Lambert Rudolf Hugh Otto Arduin - Possible "surnames" and other to fill that place: of Friuli of Spoleto of Provence of Burgundy of Arles of Ivrea - Possible "cognomina": the Bald the Fat DENMARK ======= - Based on list of legendary Danish kings 600-800 AD: Hrothgar Helgi Frodi Ongendus Siger - Based on list of legendary and certain Danish kings 800 AD-1100 AD: Sigfrid Gudfred Eyetein Halfdan/Halvdan Hemming Anulo Sigurd Reginfrid 812-814? Erik Harald Uffe Harde-Knud/Gudfred/Gudrřd (Guthfrith/Godred) Helgi Olof Gurd Knud/Chnuba (Canute) Sigtryg (Sigerich) --- Gorm Harald (Harold) Sweyn Magnus Oluf Olaf Niels - Possible "cognomina" based on vices and virtues: den Gamle (the old) Blĺtand (Bluetooth) Tveskćg/Tveskaegg (Forkbeard) den Store (the great) Hardeknud (the Hardy) den Gode (the good) den Hellige (the saint) Hunger (the hungry) Ejegod (ever good) NORWAY ======= - Based on Norwegian kings 870 to 1100: Harald Eirik Hĺkon/Haakon Harald Olav Svein Knut Magnus Řystein/Oeystein Sigurd Inge Sverre Guttorm Erling Kyrre Harald (not to be used: Filippus) - Surnames: Tryggvason Haraldsson Kyrresson Haraldsson Magnusson Munn Herdebrei Erlingsson Sigurdsson Sverreson Bĺrdsson Simonsson Hĺkonsson - "Cognomina": Hĺrfagre (fairhair) Blodřks (bloodaxe) den Gode (the Good) Grĺfell (grey cloak) Jorsalfar (Jerusalem-farer) Jarl Tjugeskjegg (forkbeard, [literally "20 beards"?]) den Hellige (the Saint) den Mektige (the Mighty) Hardrĺde (Hard ruler) Berfřtt (Barefoot) Magnus Blinde (the blind) Gille (likes to have parties, [literally "party"]) Krokrygg (hunchback) Steinvegg (stone wall) Lagabřte (lawful) SWEDEN ====== - Based on Swedish legendary kings during House of Ynglings/Scylfings up to middle 7th century: Adils/Adil/Eadgils Egil/Ongentheow Ohthere/Ottar Ale/Onela Sölve/Soelve Ingvar Anund/Aun Ingjald - Based on Swedish legendary kings during House of Skjöldung/Scylding and Ragnar Lodbrok up to middle middle 1000 AD: Ivar Harald Ragnar Björn Sigurd Östen Beli Anund Erik Eric Styrbjörn Olof Ring Emund - Surnames Uppsale (of Uppsala) Björnsson pĺ Hĺga (at Hauge) Refilsson Anundsson Emundsson Ringsson Eriksson - Based on some götar kings: Ingold Kol Sverker Helgi Hjörmund Hjörvard Högne - Based on house of Stenkil and house of Uppsala: Erik/Eric Olof Anund Jacob Knut/Canute Stenkil Halsten Haakon Inge/Ingold Blot-Sven/Blot-Sweyn Filip/Philip Magnus - Surnames: Ragnvaldsson Stenkilsson Nilsson - Some mythological kings from Beowulf etc. (probabluy not useful): Hrethel Sigar Siggeir Ungvin Swerting Hređel/Hrethel Hćţcyn/Haethcyn Hygelac Heardred Beowulf - "Cognomina": Hildetand (something about "tooth"...?) Lodbrok ("hairy pants") Vidfamne (wide bossom, probably more of the meaning broad shoulders than person who likes to hug people )den gamle (the old) Starke (the strong) Segersäll (the Victorious) Skötkonung Hedningen (the heathen) Röde (the red) Halsten (slippy rock?) Ironside Weatherhat ASTURIA ======= Pelayo Favila/Favilac/Fafila Alfonso Fruela Aurelio Silo Mauregato Bermudo/Vermudo/Veremund Alfonso Ramiro Ordońo/Ordono --- Garcia Sancho Ferdinand Fernando Urraca - Surnames: of Leon of Galicia of Asturias of Navarre of Castile Aznarez Gonzalez Fernandez Garces Sanchez - "Cognomina": the Usurper Deacon the Chaste the Great the Emperor BYZANTINE EMPIRE ============== - Based on Isaurian dynasty from 675 to 820 AD: Artabasdus Stauracius Michael - Surnames: the Isaurian the Khazar the Athenian the Armenian Rhangabes - "Cognomina": Copronymus (the Dung-named) the Blinded the General - Female names: Irene - Based on Amorian/Phrygian dynasty (beginning of 9th century): Michael II Theophilus - Surnames: the Amorian - "Cognomina": the Drunkard - Based on Macedonian dynasty (from 811 AD): Basil Alexander Constantine Leo Romanus Nicephorus John Michael - Surnames: the Macedonian Lecapenus Phocas Tzimisces Argyrus Monomachus Stratioticus - "Cognomina": the Wise Porphyrogenitus (the Purple-born) Bulgaroktonus (the Bulgar-slayer) the Paphlagonian Calaphates (the Caulker - and what does that mean?) - Female names: Zoë/Zoe (Porphyrogenita is a female "cognomen" that Zoe and Theodora got) Theodora - Based on Ducaian-Comnenan dynasty: Isaac John Alexius Manuel Andronicus - Surnames: Comnenus Ducas Diogenes Botaniates - "Cognomina": - Female names: Eudocia (also got the surname/"cognomen" "Macrembolitissa") Maria (also called "of Alania") KHAZAR ====== - Based on very old, probably not applicable Khazar khan names: Khozarig Karadach - Based on khagans of Ashina dynasty from around 600 to late 9th century: Ziebel (Tun Yabgu Khan of the West Gokturks) Irbis Khalga Kaban Busir (Ibuzir Glavan) Barjik --- Bihar Baghatur Khan-Tuvan/Dyggvi Tarkhan (Tarkhan could be either a real name or just a military rank) Zachariah - Female names in late Ashina dynasty: Tzitzak Prisbit - Khazar beks from late middle 7th century to 740 AD): Yazir Chorpan Alp Tar'mach Hazer --- Bulan Obadiah Hezekiah Manasseh Chanukkah Isaac Zebulun Nisi Aaron Menahem Benjamin Joseph - Surnames: Bulash Tarkhan Sabriel - Based on later Khazar rulers (from roughly 950 to 1100): David Georgius - Surnames: Tzul ABBASSIDS ======== - Based on caliphs before 800 AD: Abu'l Abbas As-Saffah Al-Mansur Al-Mahdi Al-Hadi - Based on caliphs from 800 AD: Harun al-Rashid Al-Amin Al-Ma'mun Al-Mu'tamid Al-Mu'tazz Al-Muhtadi Al-Muktafi Al-Muntasir Al-Muqtadi Al-Muqtadir Al-Musta'in Al-Mustakfi Al-Mustarshid Al-Mustazhir Al-Mu'tasim Al-Mutawakkil Al-Muti Al-Muttaqi Al-Qa'im Al-Qadir Al-Qahir Ar-Radi At-Ta'i Al-Wathiq - Based on early Seldjuk turks and rulers of Kerman (1050 to 1100 AD): Toğrül bin Mikail (Tughril Beg) Alp Arslan bin Chaghri Jalal ad-Dawlah Malik Shah Nasir ad-Din Mahmud Rukn ad-Din Barkiyaruq --- Qawurd Kerman Shah Sultan Shah Hussain Omar Turan Shah Iran Shah - Based on rulers of Ethiopia/Abbyssinia, probably not possible to use: Mara Takla Haymanot Tatadim Jan Seyum Germa Seyum Yemrehana Krestos Kedus Harbe AL ANDALUS ========= - Based on Umayyad emirs and later Al Andalus rulers: Abd-ar-Rahman Hisham Al-Hakam Muhammad/Mohammed al-Mundhir Abdallah ibn Muhammad Suleiman - Based on Almoravid rulers 1050 to 1150 AD): Yusuf Ali Tashfin Ibrahim Ishaq - Surnames: ibn Yusuf ibn Tashfin ibn Ali BULGARS ======= - Based on monarchs from 600 AD to 800 AD (Dulo, Ukil and Ugain clan): Kubrat Batbayan Asparukh Tervel Kormesiy Sevar --- Kormisosh Vinekh Telets Sabin --- Umor Toktu Pagan Telerig Kardam - Based on Bulgar monarchs from 800 AD to 1018 AD (Dulo clan and house of Comitopuli): Krum Omurtag Dukum Dizewg Malamir Presian Boris Michael Vladimir Simeon Peter Boris Roman Samuil (Constantin) --- Gavril Ivan - Surnames: Radomir Vladislav Delyan Bodin
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The Rus equivalent of Ingvar is AFAIK Ivar
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Well, while I'm being helpful, a list of Irish/Scottish names (in the appropriate spellings; editted; you should add some Pict names for the Scots); remember, any last names that start in 'mac' are postceded by a first name =
Male Aadhar Aare Aarron Adamhnan Aed Aedh Aedhon Aedhemuir Aedhin Aengous Ahearn Aibhe Aidan Aidon Ainbhcellach Al Alroy Aodh Aoidh Aoidhan Aoidher Aoidhmere Arlen Argas Argyle Bairrfhionn Ban Bannon Banroy Barry Beagan Beattie Becan Blaine Bran Brandon Brendan Brendon Brenn Brennan Brian Briodh Briodhan Brion Broc Brock Brodie Broighan Cadgain Cadh Cadhen Cadhenian Canice Caoindealbhai Carey Carlin Carrick Carroll Cary Casey Cassidy Cathal Cathmhor Cavan Cavin Caoihmin Ceann Ceannataigh Cian Ciannan Ciaran Comhghall Conan Conn Connor Conlaodh Conroy Constaighnan (Constantine) Conway Cormac Corman Cronan Cuillain Cuinn Cuinnar Cuinnart Curran Daimon Daly Dann Dannon Dara Darby Declan Decklan Dempsy Derby Dermot Derry Desmond Devlin Diarmid Diarmud Dolan Domangart Domnall Donaghue Donahue Donnchadh Donovan Dooley Doran Dow Driscoll Duana Dumniall Dumniell Dwaine Dwane Dwayne Ealadha Eanna Earnan Eber Edan Egan Egon Enda Eoghan Eomhan Erin Fallon Faolon Fearchar Feardorcha Fechin Fergal Fergus Fergus Fiachra Fiadh Fiadhan Fiagorh Fiannor Fial Fialla Fidelima Finbar Finian Finnegan Fionn Fionnbharr Flannan Flynn Flynnan Flynndan Gair Gar Garbhan Garret Gerrit Gallagher Galvin Gannon Gearoid Gloghan Gloidhan Goban Goighan Gormghiolla Grady Guy Iarflaith Iarlugh Iobhar Iollan Iomchadh Irial Jarlath Kaye Keane Kenneth Kentan Kevan Labhraidh Laoi Laoire Lasair Leannan Loman Lonan Lorcan Lorkin Lughaidh Maine Malachai Maolon Maon Marcan Meallan Mel Miach Mochta Morann Muireadach Murtagh Murrchu Naithi Neasan Niall Niel Nuadha Odhran Oengus Ogan Oisin Oilleog Olcan Onchu Oran Orriagh Orin Orthanach Osgar Padraigh Pandarhan Proidhan Raighnaigha Raniga Ranika Rioghan Riordan Ronan Ross Ruari Samhradhan Saran Scoithin Scolai Seab Seachlann Seadhna Seanan Seighin Sentata Sioda Siollan Sleibhin Somhairle Suibhne Tadgh Tanai Tanaidh Taoi Tighearnach Tiobraide Tireachan Tola Troidh Troidhan Turlough Turlac Uiathne Uallgarg Surnames (you can also use 'mac' anything from the names above, like 'mac Turlough' or 'mac Aedh', but those weren't actual last names {technically Gaels didn't have last names, just titles like clan affiliations}, but the Scots sometimes used them like they were) Aern Badhan Boroime Broibhan Cadae Camairahn Ceann Damnall Domnall Earges Eodhain Fachorchu Faollan Fergal Fergallan Fergoidh Fergus Luchlae Lughosan Kandae Kanlae Kindorchu Mabhon Madbabh Madden Mar Margolhan Oichlan Oiglann Raighnaigha Raoifergallan Raoithirth Rohirea Saguchan Saoi Saoibhin Sinoach Uchelain Ughar These would only work the Scots; Andu Arges Aroi Bao Duras Basbhadroi Broi Broihiere Caidhbornan Caidhfielth Cairntielth Carthbagdan Coidhanae Cuimhaill Cuimilthae Dal Conna Dal Cruiddha Dal Riada Dal Sci Derrontae Dorgoth Dragonach Kennad Kintaraeta Lotorae Oiglanne Onassie Raoi Raoibhin Saoifirthanal Saoith Sardeniath Sargeras Teegan Troie Tuthgal These would only work for the Irish; Dal Aranna Dal Cais Dal Coinn Dal Danna Ui Aan Ui Aedhor Ui Aran Ui Babh Ui Badh Ui Bidhan Ui Boidh Ui Boll Ui Cairn Ui Cam Ui Conna Ui Cuinnaghta Ui Dade Ui Dialle Ui Diarmat Ui Diodhan Ui Domnall Ui Donn Ui Edehn Ui Egon Ui Erahn Ui Errain Ui Iberon Ui Ivernan Ui Kanlae Ui Kearne Ui Kuinnear Ui Laidi Ui Laigini Ui Mandea Ui Mar Ui Marniall Ui Midha Ui Mumai Ui Niall Ui Niell Ui Rilleigh Ui Riordan Ui Slighan Ui Sloighan Female Names Ailbhe Aine Ainnir Ana Aodhamair Aodnait Aoibheann Aoibhegreine Aoife Bebhinn Bearach Blathin Blaithnaid Blinne Brighid Bronach Caoilfhionn Caoimhe Cathan Ceallach Ceara Ciar Cliodhna Dairine Dairinn Damhnait Dearbhail Deirdre Dunfhlaith Eadan Easnadh Eibhear Eile Eirne Eibhleann Echna Eithne Emer Etain Fachta Fainche Fiachara Fianait Fionnait Fionuir Fionnghuala Geileis Gobnait Gormlaith Grainne Ide Ionait Laoise Laoghaire Lasairfhiona Li Ban Liadan Liamhain Liffe Liobhan Luiseach Marga Meadbh Mealla Miach Moinnine Moirne Moncha Mor Muadhnait Muireann Muirin Muirgheal Muirne Naoise Naomh Narbflaith Neacht Neamhain Neasa Niamh Oona Oonagh Orlaith Ornait Osnait Rathnait Riona Roinseach Roisin Ronnad Ros Ruadhnait Sadhbh Saorla Saraid Sarnait Scoithniamh Scoth Scothnait Seanait Searc Siomha Sorcha Suanach Taillte Teafa Teffia Tifa Tethba Treasa Tuamnait Tuathla Tuilelaith Uaine Uainion Una
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For the Welsh :
Hael = The generous Arthwys, Morfran, Urbgen, and many more... if you want more name ideas : http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/index.html |
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Might be Igor=Ingvar otherwise Oleg=Helge Rurik=Rörek Vladimir=Valdemar.
Oh and Grĺfell is usually Greycloak, Lodbrok means pretty much "hairy pants". According legend his sturdy pants saved him from snakebite at some point. Ejegod means evergood. Hĺrdrĺde= "Hard ruler". Some of the Beowulf have been confirmed as historical persons Hygalec, for example. |
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@Jarlabanke: Yes, that seems correct. Also thanks for the translations! The reason why Beowulf names might not be applicable is because the story is so old. The names should be useable between 843 AD and 1099 AD.
@ALL: Thanks, I'll have a closer look at all this soon and update all lists.
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Well, I was going to thrown in some names, but Ranika, once again, outdid me. I can only suggest Mhaolain as a Scottish (not Irish) surname off the top of my head.
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Here are some 'Scottish' only names (taken from the rolls of the noble houses of the Picts); hardly complete, but should give some variation against the Gaelic names:
Male Bort Branta Brude Caveral Draggal Drest Drust Drustan Fabian Logde Morthamaer Norden Orban Orbis Surnames Brude Caitnathar Croibhan Fibbian Gwalland Mortam Ollimar
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Norwegians:
Sverre = my name Sweeet - Surnames: Kyrre, Harald - Add "son" to these two, as "son off" these are firstnames (you have Harald in the firstname list, so we could get a "Mr Harald Harald "Filippus - This is an imported latin name, and the king rouled in the start of the 1200 . It wold not be apropriate for a peagan Norwegian king. Jorsalfar - Means "Jearusalem fearer", or "crusader" and should be added to "Cognomina". -Skel- |
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New suggestion for Scots:
SCOTS ===== - MALE FIRST NAMES: Aed Ainbhcellach Alpin/Elpin Argyle Blaine Briodh/Brude/Bridei *** NOTE! Which spelling is most correct or if both are correct, which of the names was more common? Briodhan also possible. Cadgain Cinaed/Ciniod/Connad/Kineth (Kenneth) Comhghall Conall/Canaul Conan Connor Constaighnan (Constantine) Domangart Domnall Donovan Drust/Drest (include one or both), "Drustan" also possible Dwayne Eochaid Eoghan Ferchar Fergal Fergus Gabhran *** NOTE! is it Garbhan or Gabhran? Gallagher Goighan Guy Iomchadh Lonan Maelduin Muireadach Murtagh Nechtan/Nechton Niall/Niel Oengus/Onuist Ranika/Raniga/Raighnaigha (must be included as thanks for all help)Riordan Ronan Seanan Seighin Talorcen/Talorgen Tanaidh Tighearnach Turlough/Turlac - SURNAMES: Caidhbornan Caidhfielth Dal Conna Dal Cruiddha Dal Riada Dal Sci Derrontae Dorgoth Dragonach Kintaraeta Lotorae mac Alpin mac Argyle mac Bridei mac Connall mac Derile/Derelei mac Drustan mac Eochaid mac Fergus mac Nechtan mac Niel mac Lonan mac Oengus mac Talorcan mac Uuredech - FEMALE NAMES: Ailbhe Aoife Ana Blaithnaid Brighid Cathan Ceara Cliodhna Dunfhlaith Echna Emer Fainche Fiachara Laoghaire Laoise Lasairfhiona Muireann Muirin Oona Riona Roisin Saorla Sarnait Teffia Tuathla Tuilelaith Uaine Una New suggestion for Irish: IRISH ===== - MALE FIRST NAMES: Aed Ainbhcellach Alpin/Elpin Argyle Cadgain Cinaed/Ciniod/Connad/Kineth (Kenneth) Comhghall Conall/Canaul Conan Connor Conchobar Domnall Donn Donovan Dwayne Eochaid Eoghan Feradach Fergal Fergus Gallagher Goighan Guy Iomchadh Lonan Maelduin Muireadach Murtagh Nechtan/Nechton Niall/Niel Ranika/Raniga/Raighnaigha (must be included as thanks for all help)Riordan Ronan Ross Ruairc Seanan Seighin Tadg Tanaidh Tighearnach - SURNAMES: Dal Aranna Dal Cais Dal Coinn Dal Danna mac Aed mac Conchobar mac Ross mac Tigernan Ui Aan Ui Aedhor Ui Aran Ui Cairn Ui Conna Ui Cuinnaghta Ui Diarmat Ui Diodhan Ui Domnall Ui Errain Ui Ivernan Ui Mumai Ui Niall Ui Niell Ui Rilleigh Ui Riordan Ui Ruairc Ui Sloighan - FEMALE NAMES: Ailbhe Aoife Ana Blaithnaid Brighid Cathan Ceara Cliodhna Dunfhlaith Echna Emer Fainche Fiachara Laoghaire Laoise Lasairfhiona Muireann Muirin Oona Riona Roisin Saorla Sarnait Teffia Tuathla Tuilelaith Uaine Una Now only Saxons, HRE and Magyars are left. I'll post lists for them too soon.
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You should definitely include more B names on the Irish list; Brian, Broidhan (different from Briodhan), and Brennan at least. I also recommend keeping for the Irish and Scots; Troidhan (important general of Brian Boroime's), the surname of 'Boroime' (name of the emperor of Ireland; actually a title meaning 'cattle counter', since he was king of Ireland and so wealthy), and the surname Ui Kanlae/Kanlae (the progenators of both the Irish and Scottish 'Mac/McKinley' clans, it was allies under Broc Ui Kanlae that went to Scotland to help the Scots fight the viking invaders).
Garbhan and Gabhran are alternate versions of the same name; both are versions of Garret (which was common in Ireland, but the Scots seemed to prefer Garbhan, which is probably from a Pict version of the name). Brude is the most common Pict version of Broidh or Boidhe (Boyd). Drust is more common than Drest, both also appear with 'an' as an ending though, so probably Drustan is most appropriate.
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Um seeing as youlooked at Welsh rulers,you managed to miss the last independant Welsh Prince. He was Llywellyns brother called Dafydd.
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@Ranika and oj121: I've updated the first post with your suggestions now. Thanks!
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Some Gaelic names you can use associated with traits, with brief descriptions of what they mean;
Boruma/Boróime - 'Cattle-Counter'; probably for a trait that gives high acumen or command (representing great wealth through business acumen or conquest) na Curadh/na Seaimpín - 'the Champion'; for something that provides additional health to the general (this represents personal combat skill, not command ability) na Boicht - 'the Poor'; for a trait with poor acumen perhaps, but also used to describe the particularly pious who donated much wealth, even if they weren't poor Glúindibh - 'Black-knee'; has to do with constant prayer nOrlaigh - 'the Hammering One/the Hammer'; given to brutal commanders nAghaidhathaill - 'the Bold'; given to individually brave or bold commanders na Goilldiach - 'the Lion'; given to great commanders nGiall Óg - 'Master of the Hostages'; given to one who has taken many captors and slaves (not 'of the Nine Hostages', only Niall was known as that) Callaig Óg - 'Master Speaker'; a particularly inspiring speaker; perhaps for a trait that increases troop morale, or a diplomat trait
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A cross post from the faction thread; I was being absent minded when I wrote up the 'surnames' for the Irish; none of them should be 'Ui'; this is the plural 'of'; that is 'Ui Connaill' refers to the entirety of the clan 'of Connell'. It should be the singular 'Ua Connaill', a single clansman of the Connell. However, for variety, the Irish may also use 'Uo' for a few of these names; Uo is from the period's dialect in Connacht. Also, you can use ó (not O', that's anglicized) instead of 'Ui', this was a Leinster/Munster form of 'Ua', and a singular 'Of'. Dal is still as valid in this period; it's another form of 'Ua', but was most popular in Ulster/Dal Riadda/Alba.
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Frankish names (Carolingian dynasty, plus some names from the Mérovingian and Capetian dynasties, aswell as names of well known characters). Most would also fit with the Norman faction.
Names : Angilbert Anséis Arnulf Astolpho Baudouin Bégon Bérengier Bernard Carloman Charles Clotaire Clovis Dagobert Desiderius Eberhard Ecfird Einhard Engelier Enguerrand Florismart Francis Fredelon Fulk Ganelon Geoffroi Gerbert Gérier Gérin Girard Grimoald Guillaume Guy Henri Hugues Ingelger Ivon Ivoire Jean Lanfrank Leuthard Louis Lothair Lothar Maugris Nithard Odo Ogier Olivier Otton Pepin Pierre Ranulf Raymond Richard Rinaldo Robert Robold Roland Rolon Rudolph Samson Sigebert Théobald Theuderic Thibault Torsin Warin Warnegald Women : Adelaide Alad Alpais Arégonde Aupais Berthe Bertha Bertrada Berthrada Crotilde Désiderata Dhuoda Emma Ermengarde Ermentrude Fastrada Frénégonde Gisela Gisčle Hilda Hildegarde Hilitrud Irmengard Judith Luitgard Nantechilde Ringarde Rotrude Theodrada Waldrade Surnames : There could be a whole lot. Surnames like 'the bald', 'the great', 'the fearless', etc. should be given through traits, if that's possible. For common surnames, we'll have to use place names : Western Franks surnames : of Aquitania of Neustria of Francia of Provincia of Tolosa of Vasconia of Septimania of Burgundia of Britannia of Flandria of Iberia of Albiga of Lutetia of Rotomagus of Burdigala of Narbona of Aureliani of Pictavium of Arvernum of Cadurcia of Augustoritum of Massilia Central Franks : of Provincia of Burgundia of Moselle of Ripuaria of Frisia of Flandria of Austrasia of Laugobardia of Tuscia of Liguria of Spoletum of Beneventum of Friulia of Istria of Secusia of Iporedia of Massilia of Narbona of Arelate of Valentia of Vienna of Lugdunum of Geneva of Vesontio of Mettia of Aquisgrunum of Strasburg of Genoa of Nicia of Pisa of Mediolanum Eastern Franks : of Alamannia of Austrasia of Saxonia of Bavaria of Bohemia of Carinthia of Moravia of Thuringia of Franconia of Transalbingia of Frisia of Ripuraria of Brema of Hamaburg of Strasburg of Constantia of Raethia of Curia of Praga of Austria of Ingolstadt of Olmutz of Saxonburg
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Cool!
I've made some progress on the subject of names. After looking through every single txt file, I've found that the historical battles files also use names, so they have to be removed from there before they can be removed from the names files. Path is: Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\battle\custom\Battle_of_Asculu m for instance. File descr_battle.txt is the one of interest. All descr_strat.txt files, one per campaign, also contain links to names. Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign\des cr_strat.txt Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\campaign\vikings\descr_strat.t xt Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\campaign\sons_of_mars\descr_st rat.txt The names linked to from all these files most likely have to lead to a name existing in the names files. Some other files that may be of interest for the subject, as they contain names from the names file: 1. Rome - Total War\Data\world\maps\campaign\sons_of_mars\editor_l og.txt not likely, as it's a .log file; it's probably not used for reading by the engine, only for writing, if at all 2. Prologue_Campaign_Script.txt Haven't checked it yet. May contain names. Adding a name shouldn't be a problem - I think. Removing a name is probably more difficult, as it mustn't exist in any of the files mentioned above to be possible to remove. A solution could be to 1. remove as many names as possible from these files that link to names, then make a list of the few remaining of the original names that had to be kept. 2. add as many as possible of the new names 3. change dependencies in the files mentioned above to link to any of the new names 4. remove the last old names That's what I'll try to do. Might take some time...
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Meneldil, should not the Frankish surnames use another word for "of" rather than just..."of"? I don't know much about Frankish in this period (or even if it's still considered Frankish at the time), but we should use a different word, I think.
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Thats great Legio..
But using "show err" usually points the way to the file were there is an error, so with some try/fail, you should be able to find all files related to the names rather fast don't you think? -Skel- |
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Actually, the game crash without error message when there's a problem with names. Adding names is a real pain, as far as I can say.
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Yeah, but I don't know a latin equivalent for 'of'
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A great deal of latin prepositions are suffixes. The difference between "Vae Victus" and "Vae Victis", for example ("Woe vanquised" vs. "Woe to the vanquised"). Pathetically, I'm having trouble finding the right suffix, and I have no texts available to help me.
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I believe there is no such thing;
Like in Scipio Africanus, the frefix is incorporated into the place name. See also Germanicus, Hispanicus etc. But I speak no Latin myself...
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Yeah, well, I guess I'll have to find my old latin text and studies ;-)
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It is correct that there is no 'of' in Latin. My Latin is far too poor to do anything but confirm that though.
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Magyar names
MEN Vajk Tarhos Tormás Üllő Jutas Zolta Tevel Szerénd Béla Taksony Levedi Koppány Álmos Árpád Tas Fajsz Vászoly Ézelő Kurszán Kond Ond Huba Töhötöm Előd Csepel Ajtony Lél Bulcsú Sur Botond Zotmund Szabolcs Kusid Küzsdég Bánk Levente Özséb Torda Kupian Szoárd Kadocsa Bors Ketel Tarcal Ügyek Acsád Bojta Kartal Csanád Solt Ócsád Ete Vata Szolnok Ákos Berény Bojta Buda Gyécse Elmér Farkas Hetény Katapán Karád Makó Öden Pozson Szecsőd WOMEN Szecsőke Sarolt Enéh Emese Piroska Ajnácska Ajándék Áldáska Arany Arika Réka Bolda Delin Déva Emőke Evetke Galamb Fürtike Hanga Mikolt Örsi Barót Rezeda Rasdi Bíbor Bogárd Hajna Ibolya Viola Havadi Hete Jóleán Lente Lelle Öte Somocska Rózsa Some of them, especially the women names are probably inaccurate but there are only a few source materials and the Latin alphabet is unable writing Magyar word exactly. In this era there weren't surnames.
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I wrote this in a different topic but I believe it belongs in here....
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Yes, thanks! It's always nice to have the info for reference in the place where it belongs
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