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    Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans!

    Yes, there was no preview last week. We’re sorry for destroying your dreams, lives and beliefs with such laxness (;)), but things like this happen and to be honest it was unavoidable this time around, unlike times before this. The tradition will be reinstated in its full glory from now on, that is sure as the fact that you’re reading this preview at this moment.

    Shout outs go out to Spartan_Warrior, for skinning and modeling the units. A big shout out goes out to Spartan_Warrior for taking and uploading the screenshots, and to Teleklos Archelaou for making the faction banner and sigs. Finally, props and kudos to Angadil and his team for their hard work and care that went into the realization of the Sauromatae faction and its warriors.

    This week, the EB team is proud to present:




    Why should there be an end to the fighting?

    It is true that, after generations of struggle, our horses now graze on most of the lands the Scythians once called their own and that we rule over a large territory. We now count the time it takes to travel across it in months and our people and herds prosper, but the great steppe still extends beyond our dominions. There are yet more pastures to win for our flocks to grow even larger, and there live peoples not unlike us, who build no cities and dwell in wagons and tents. They also wage war as we do, largely on horseback with most as swift mounted archers that no foot troops will ever catch and some also wearing armor and wielding spears. Those will not be easy battles, but a strong ruler could bind those peoples to him and command an immense host of riders: an army such as has never been seen before.

    Yes, merchants must now travel through our lands to carry their wares from east to west and from north to south and from such trading we have grown wealthier than our fathers. However, the traders still finish their journeys in the cities of the Yavanas, the Greeks, on the seashore at our southern border. All trade eventually goes there and their dwellers are rich beyond measure from it. They drink wine every day if they so wish and own all sorts of luxuries: fine pottery and bright arms and armors. What warriors would not follow a lord with such wealth at his command? How great would be the fame of such a leader?

    East or west, north or south. In the end, will it matter where we ride first? Wherever we go, there will still be other lands, other nations beyond: the land of Hayasdan and the kingdoms of the Yavanas and then others whose names we do not yet know. Regions said to be even richer, fertile and of mild climate, abundant in streams and grazing. There is no man in our tribes who is not eager to please the God of War, whose name is not to be spoken aloud and whom we see in the naked sword, by winning fame and fortune through war and battle. Why, then, not let the dragon standards fly forever? Why not ride until the seas deny us passage? As long as there are riches and glory to be won and land upon which horses can gallop, why should there be an end to the fighting?

    HISTORICAL INFORMATION

    A Brief History

    The Sarmatians comprised a number of groups of nomads who roamed, generally in a westward direction, over the western portion of the Eurasian steppes. They were related culturally and, in all likelihood, ethnically to the Scythians and both spoke Iranian languages that appear to have been quite similar.

    The first traces of the Sarmatians are archeological. They date from the seventh century BCE and come from an area east of the Don, or Tanais, River, south of the Ural Mountains and north of the Caspian Sea. Findings seem to be concentrated along the courses of the Ural and lower Volga rivers and constitute an archeological culture that extends up to the fourth century BCE and has been linked with certainty to the Sauromatae of the Greek sources.

    These Sauromatae represent the first appearance of the Sarmatian peoples in western sources and the adaptation, or corruption, of their name into Greek and, later, Latin has given us our current name of Sarmatians. The name Sauromatae appears to be clearly of Iranian origin and seems to have meant “black mantles” (*sau-roma-ta, where sau = black, roma = fur and –ta is the plural marker). Other etymologies have been suggested, but this seems the most likely as Herodotus, who first spoke of the Sauromatae and located them east of the Scythian domains, also recorded the Melanchlainos (Greek for “black capes”) to the northeast of the Scythians. Also, a decree from the Greek city of Olbia, on the northern coast of the Black Sea near the mouth of the Dnieper River, from the early second century BCE mentions the Saudarates (*sau-dâra-ta = wearers of black) among several neighboring barbarian tribes.

    We have adopted “Sauromatae” as the faction’s name in EB, as it is a designation in either the Sarmatian language or one very close, and we do not know with certainty how the Sarmatians called themselves. In this account, however, we will use the name Sauromatae in a restricted sense to refer to the peoples corresponding to the archeological culture of the seventh to fourth centuries BCE. It seems plausible that the Sarmatians might have referred to themselves with their own variation of the ancient auto-ethnonym “Arya,” attested from very old times and widespread among the Indo-Iranian peoples (Avestan Airyô, Sanskrit Âryas, Old Persian Ariyâ). For example, Pliny speaks of the “Arraei Sarmatians, also called Areatas” (*Arya-ta). With dialectal labdacism (the evolution of the group ry to l), “Arya” also appears in the name of the Alans (Alana < *Aryana) and of the Roxolani Sarmatians (*Rôxš-Alan < **Rauxša-Aryana = white, bright or luminous Alans).

    However, we do not know to what extent this applies to all the other Sarmatian groups. The names history has preserved for them (Aorsi, Iazyges, Siracae, Urgi, Sai, etc.), while often clearly of Iranian origin, do not seem related to “Arya,” although those designations may not be the names they used for themselves. Consequently, we have opted for Sauromatae.

    Herodotus, reporting events of the late sixth century BCE, reports the Sauromatae to be the eastern neighbors of the Scythians and their allies against the invading Achaemenid Persians and has them living on the left, i.e. eastern, bank of the Don and beyond. He also explained that the Sauromatae were the descendants of Scythian young men who took runaway Amazons as wives and settled in the lands between the Don and the lower Volga, an area which is one of the hot spots of the archeological Sauromatian culture. Herodotus also ascribes the role played by women in Sauromatian society to this Amazonian inheritance: he describes Sauromatae women riding, hunting, and fighting alongside the men. Archeology has also provided some support for these claims by turning up substantial numbers of graves of females, both Sauromatian and of later cultural stages of the Sarmatian peoples, containing weaponry. Also, skeletons of girls aged thirteen to fourteen already showed bowed legs, indicative of a life spent on horseback.

    Sometime during the fourth century BCE, the Sarmatians started expanding, mostly westwards. This was accompanied by changes in the archeological culture, such as details of funerary rites, pottery, weaponry (swords with straight guards and antennae pommels, instead of the akinakes-like angled guards of the Sauromatian phase), to what is commonly called ancient Sarmatian or Prokhorovka culture, which would last up to the first century BCE. By the second half of the fourth century BCE, the pseudo-Scylax, a Greek source, still speaks of the Sauromatae east of the Don but also knows about the Syrmatae west of that river. Already by the century’s end, Sarmatian tombs are found on the eastern bank of the Dnieper, and in the third and second centuries they become numerous there. In the late third or very early second century BCE, the Sarmatians may have crossed west beyond the Dnieper, as attested by at least one Sarmatian grave on its right, i.e. west, bank dating from that period. It is certain that, during the second century BCE, the Sarmatians completed their occupation of almost all the steppe between the Dnieper and the Danube, the last remnants of what was once ancient Scythia.

    Since the early second century BCE, Sarmatian groups also appear diversely involved in the affairs of the BosporanKingdom and the Greek cities on the northern coast of the Black Sea. Sarmatians sometimes even extorted tribute from the cities. On other occasions, they would ally with a Greek city against the Late Scythians, now relegated to the eastern half of the CrimeanPeninsula and the lower Dnieper, though they could also side with the Late Scythians in their constant conflicts with the Greek cities. Thus, in 110 BCE, Mithridates VI Eupator, king of Pontos, sent his general Diophantes to aid of the city of Chersonesos against a coalition of Sarmatians and Scythians. Diophantes was victorious and Mithridates gained a foothold on the northern coast of the Black Sea. Eventually, those events would lead to Mithridates gaining control of that whole area, the BosporanKingdom included, and to continued Sarmatian support for the PonticKingdom in its conflicts against Rome up to the defeat of Pharnaces I, Mithridates’ son, at Zela by Julius Caesar.

    Sarmatian expansion up to the second century CE occurred largely at the expense of the formerly powerful Scythians, the previous masters of the Pontic steppe between the Don and the Danube. Diodorus Siculus, writing many years after the events, stated that the Scythians were all exterminated in the course of numerous battles, but archeological data do not support such a claim. To what extent Scythian replacement by the Sarmatians involved displacement, annihilation, and assimilation is far from clear, however. It seems well established that all three processes, which are not mutually exclusive, occurred, but their relative importance is by no means evident.

    This expansion occurred mostly, though not exclusively, westward. For example, some Sarmatian groups moved southwest from the Volga area into Ciscaucasia, occupying the steppes between and directly beside the Kuban and Terek rivers. Archeology shows they were already present in the area between the Don, the Sea of Azov, and the Kuban river in the fourth century BCE. The Siracae Sarmatians would later be placed in that area by Greek and Roman sources. It has been in this southern appendix of the great Pontic steppe where, through the Medieval Alans of the Caucasus, some descendants of the Sarmatians, the modern Ossetians, have remained.

    There are also traces of Sarmatian presence in Central Asia. For example, numerous findings from the Ustyurt Plateau, between the Caspian and AralSeas, are stylistically very close to the Sauromatian and Prokhorovka cultures. Also, nomad graves from near Bukhara in modern Uzbekistan, dating to the end of the fourth or early third century BCE, show Sarmatian traits. Finally, swords closely similar to the Prokhorovka type have shown up in ancient Bactria in contexts dated to the second to first century BCE.

    It is not clear what set the Sarmatians in motion, and a variety of causes have been advanced: climate changes (a persistent drought affecting areas of the steppe is hinted at by a lower level of the Caspian Sea during the third century BCE), increases in Sarmatian population, or events in Central Asia, such as Alexander’s campaigns and the rise of the Xiongnu, eliciting a sort of chain reaction. However, none of those seems to offer a perfect, all-encompassing explanation. All may have contributed, but, again, it is unknown to what extent.

    After their occupation of old Scythia, the Sarmatians kept expanding west and, therefore, would eventually come into contact with Rome. The Iazyges hugged the Black Sea coast and moved on to the lower Danube. Here they seem to have been stopped for a while by the powerful Dacian kingdom of Burebista, and from there, in 16 BCE, they launched their first incursion into Roman territory in Macedonia. Sarmatian raids across the Danube like this would plague the Romans for the next three hundred years. When Dacian power diminished, the Iazyges moved northwest to eventually settle in the plain between the Danube and Tisza rivers where, now often in conjunction with Germanic tribes, they kept being a thorn in the side of Rome, despite brief stints as Roman allies, even after their defeat by Emperor Marcus Aurelius in his Sarmatian War in 174 CE. As part of the peace conditions imposed upon them, the Iazyges had to provide the Roman army with eight thousand cavalrymen. Nonetheless, in 184 and during the whole third century CE Roman Emperors had to keep campaigning against them.

    When the Iazyges left the lower Danube, the Roxolani, who had remained between the Danube and the Dnieper, moved into this area and took up the raiding of the Roman provinces across the river. During the first of Emperor Trajan’s Dacian Wars, the Roxolani were allied with the Dacians against the Romans. Again, their defeat would not preclude their resuming raiding, and Roman money subsidies proved a more effective way to keep the peace along the frontier.

    During the third and fourth centuries CE, Sarmatian power suffered greatly from the arrival of, first, the Goths and other eastern Germans and, later, of the Huns into Sarmatian dominions. The Sarmatians and Alans, either a Sarmatian group or very close relatives, became less and less independent peoples and masters of their own destiny and more and more part of confederations ruled by other nations. The wanderings of those leagues and the tumults of the time of the Great Migrations would carry Sarmatians and Alans as far as the Iberian Peninsula and northern Africa. There, like in their original homelands, they would eventually vanish, assimilated into more powerful nations, but not without having added their contribution to what would become medieval Europe.

    Sarmatian Warfare

    Sarmatians are remembered as mounted warriors. In particular, the most common image of them that has come down to us is of armored lancers whose charge was nearly irresistible. Nonetheless, the lancer can be considered a relatively late development of the Sarmatian military. For much of their history, and certainly for most of that history that is within EB, Sarmatian armies, like those of so many steppe nomads before and after them, were mostly composed of horse archers. Even after the lancer had appeared and risen to prominence, mounted archery appears to have remained an integral and important component of Sarmatian tactics, with even the lancers themselves carrying a bow besides their long contus sarmaticus and longswords. Similarly, finds of armor from the Sauromatian period show that the earliest Sarmatian armies already had a core of heavy cavalry which was provided by the upper classes able to afford protective gear for themselves and, sometimes, even their horses. This structure with a nucleus of heavier, aristocratic cavalry better prepared for melee surrounded by swarms of light horse archers is common to many steppe armies.

    This switch towards a more direct approach needs to be correctly understood, as the battle descriptions found in the sources show that it remained firmly within the steppe traditions of mounted warfare. The sources speak abundantly of the powerful charge of the contus-wielding Sarmatians. However, those same sources also indicate that, despite outward appearances, those were not mad, potentially suicidal, actions. If faced with a solid battle line, a firm wall of spears held by men resolved to stand their ground, the seemingly wild charge would turn into an apparently equally wild retreat. Of course, more often than not, it was a feigned retreat, a maneuver no less controlled than the previous charge and designed to lure an enemy into a pursuit that had good chances to throw its formation into disorder, prevent units from providing mutual support, and that would open up chances for such maneuvers as outflanking and charges to the rear for the Sarmatians.

    The shift from a harass and evade doctrine towards greater emphasis on hand-to-hand combat and shock action is not easy to date precisely. Of course, it could well have been a fairly gradual process that occurred over a substantial amount of time. Written sources suggest that the transition had not happened yet in the late second century BCE, at least in the area around the AzovSea, but that it was completed by the first decades of the first century CE. The Sarmatians that fought against the Pontic general Diophantes in the Crimea in 110 BCE are described as lightly armed and unable to stand their ground against heavier troops. In contrast, by 35 CE we find the Sarmatians eschewing mounted archery contests and instead charging headlong into Parthian cavalry. By 69 CE, the Romans dealing with Roxolani raids already have it as an established fact that their charges are very dangerous and nearly unstoppable.

    Archeology provides some additional pointers on when the switch occurred. The kit of the armored lancer, consisting of scale armor, large spearhead and longsword, begins to appear in Sarmatian graves in the Volga region in the third and second centuries BCE. The troop type might have been copied from the neighboring Massagetae and Sakas. Those peoples had a tradition of armored cavalry dating back to the fifth century BCE and beyond, and Alexander’s campaigns presumably put them into contact with Macedonian Companion cavalry that were able and willing to charge home with their xysta. A terracotta from Koï-Krylgan-Kala in Uzbekistan of the fourth or early third centuries BCE shows an apparently unarmored lancer wielding a long lance and another from Khumbuz-Tepe shows an armored one on an equally protected horse. In any case, it seems clear that there were armored lancers in Transoxiana in the third century BCE and that the troop type spread from there.

    Sword, Fire and Sun: Sarmatian Religion

    Evidence about the religion of the Sarmatians is extremely scarce and heterogeneous. No ancient ethnographer or historian recorded the names or number of their deities or wrote down their myths. We are, therefore, left to deal with occasional allusions in the sources, archeological material, and inferences from other, presumably related, religious systems and from archaic elements in the folk religion of the modern Ossetians. Moreover, it is likely that religion varied among Sarmatian groups and along time.

    One of the few certainties in this matter is that the Sarmatians worshipped a god of war on whose name, as in the case of its Scythian cognate, there seems to have been a prohibition to be spoken aloud. Again as in the Scythian case, it was represented by a naked sword thrust into the ground and received offerings of blood as part of its cult. Generally, that cult does not seem to have entailed temples or a distinct priest class, the lack of which is a general feature of Sarmatian religious practices.

    Greek sources from the third century BCE claim that the Sarmatians also adored the Fire. There is archeological support for this in the importance of the Fire in Sarmatian funerary rites. Further backing comes from the importance that the Fire has retained in the cult of the Medieval Caucasian Alans and the modern Ossetians. Also, Tabiti, the main Scythian deity, whom their king Idanthyrsus called queen of the Scythians, seems to have been a goddess of the hearth, as Herodotus likened her to Hestia. It seems likely that, as with other Iranian peoples, the Fire was a purifier for the Sarmatians because the Ossetian word for “pure, saint” is syğdág, which comes from an Iranian root with the sense “burn.”

    Possibly related to the cult of the Fire, there seems to have been a cult of the Sun as well. Herodotus and Strabo register such a practice for the Massagetae and Armenian sources record it among the Medieval Alans of the Caucasus. Among the modern Ossetian descendants of the latter, the fire of the hearth is called “son of the Sun,” pointing to the link between fire and sun cults.

    The Sarmatian Legacy

    It often seems that the nomadic peoples of the steppe have contributed little, if at all, to the making of contemporaneous western culture. However, the Sarmatians probably are at the root of the well-known and influential cultural icon that is the medieval knight. A knight is in essence a mounted, armored lancer and the Sarmatians can rightly claim to be its first physical model in Europe. After centuries of contact, the mounted lancer was widely adopted from the Sarmatians by both the Late Roman Empire and the Germanic tribes who would eventually overrun it. Medieval Europe, knights included, would emerge from the mixture of these elements.

    Moreover, another popular element of western culture may owe more to the Sarmatians and the steppe nomads than usually realized. The Arthurian legend incorporates many diverse influences, being in that representative of medieval Europe. One of those elements, perhaps its core, may directly link the Arthurian stories to the nomads of the steppe. We have already mentioned that in 175 CE the defeated Iazyges had to supply eight thousand horsemen to the Roman army. Of those, five and a half thousand were sent to Britain, and we know some were sent to garrison the western portion of Hadrian’s Wall. The Roman officer who commanded part of the Sarmatian contingent was called Lucius Artorius Castus. Moreover, in 180 to 185 CE the Caledonii, with support from the Goidilic Irish, overran the eastern part of the Wall and penetrated deeply into Roman territory, killing the governor of Britain and the legate of Legio VI Victrix near modern York and ravaging the eastern regions. However, the region where Artorius Castus and his Sarmatians were posted was spared and remained a safe island amidst much destruction. We, then, have a group of armored horsemen who revere a naked sword thrust into the earth and who, led by a man called Artorius, manage to repel or contain a barbarian invasion. It would seem plausible that these events could have provided an initial nucleus that, over the course of the following centuries, would have attracted other, later traditions and cycles to produce the Arthurian tradition as we know it today. The iconic and archetypical Arthurian story might have been woven around a core in which the horsemen from the Eurasian steppe, their modes of waging war, and their religious traditions played a leading role.

    And now, the warriors that your faithful tribesmen will field:



    A swarm of nimble mounted archers riding sturdy steppe ponies form the backbone of most Sarmatian armies and, if adequately handled, they can be an effective force even by themselves. As most enemies are slower or have shorter bow ranges, they can keep peppering them with arrows for hours or even days, evading if approached and closing in for the decisive charge only when casualties and loss of cohesion have sufficiently weakened their foes. Typical horse archers, however, are not suited for hand-to-hand combat: because armor and heavy weapons, as well as the big horses capable of dealing with the added weight, are extremely expensive, only nobles and kings can afford such luxuries. The typical horse archer, therefore, carries little or no armor and is likely to suffer against most adversaries if forced into melee combat.

    Historically, life as nomadic herders on the steppes produced highly skilled bowmen and riders who could put those abilities to good use on the battlefield. For over two millennia, these warriors were levied from the diverse nomads that roamed the vast Eurasian steppe and were a central, iconic component of their armies. Horse archer armies relied on their excellent composite bows and mobility at both the strategic and tactical level to win their battles and wars. Because of these advantages, their victories could be truly devastating: both the Macedonians and Romans at the peak of their military power saw some of their armies completely annihilated by enemies relying on horse archers and steppe tactics.



    The Aorsi Riders are the base of the armies fielded by the Aorsi, one of several major Sarmatian groups. Aorsi Riders are first and foremost horse archers, but, on average, Aorsi tribesmen are somewhat better equipped than their counterparts from earlier Sarmatian tribes: they often wear a measure of simple armor and tend to carry spears in addition to their bows. They can, therefore, be expected to give a slightly better account of themselves if they happen to become engaged in hand-to-hand combat. They will, however, not actively seek it, at least not against enemies whom archery fire, feigned retreats, and sudden false charges have not yet utterly demoralized and thrown into confusion and disarray.

    Historically, the Aorsi were one of the most powerful Sarmatian confederacies: though almost certainly a major exaggeration, Strabo credited the smaller of their two subdivisions with the capability of fielding an army of two hundred thousand riders. Furthermore, graves ascribed to the Aorsi by archeologists tend to be relatively rich in equipment and give proof of a certain prosperity. In any case, their dominions extended east certainly as far as the Caspian and probably even as far as the Aral Sea. In the west, they occupied the steppe between the Volga and Don rivers for a long time. Eventually, they moved west beyond the Don, perhaps driven there by the emergence of the Alans, who might have absorbed or conquered many of them.



    Lancers represent a shift of emphasis in Sarmatian warfare from mounted archery and attrition warfare towards fierce charges and shock combat. Equipped with the kontos, a lance over four meters long usually wielded with both hands, and wearing good scale armor, Roxolani Lancers can deliver a charge that few foes, mounted or on foot, can withstand, though a solid wall of pike or spear points will still be largely immune to such frontal attacks. Even so, many horse archers still fight alongside them and they themselves also carry bows and are adept at the feigned flight and all the other steppe maneuvers that can throw an enemy into disorder. In addition to kontos, bow, and scale armor, a longsword completes the lancer’s panoply.

    Historically, even the first armies of horse archers that emerged from the steppes probably contained a core of heavy cavalry. In this regard, the appearance and spread of armored riders wielding a long two-handed lance represented an innovation in steppe warfare more because of the specialization of their equipment and their greater numbers than by being a radically novel concept. For the Sarmatians in particular, the lancers were a relatively late development. Their first traces come from the Volga area in the third and second centuries BCE, but the troop type does not seem to have spread westward for some time. Moreover, the lancers, though they proved to be an effective complement, never completely superseded the horse archers. Nonetheless, Sarmatian armored lancers made an indelible impression upon Greek and Roman witnesses and eventually became the archetypical Sarmatian image.



    Sarmatian nobles are among the few in their society that can actually afford the high costs of reasonably good defensive gear and the larger horses able to carry a rider wearing such heavy equipment. Such equipment, though costly, was well worth its price as it gave them the ability to engage in hand-to-hand combat with some degree of certainty and, not to forget, made them a more impressive display on the battlefield than their less wealthy tribesmen. Nonetheless, in these earlier stages of Sarmatian culture even nobles carry only limited amounts of armor and are more appropriately named medium than heavy cavalry. Fortunately, they can still rely on their archery skills which are in no way inferior to those of any other Sarmatian warrior, and their equipment does allow them to carry out certain special tasks. They can, for example, fight light cavalry with good prospects of victory. They can deal with enemy horse archers by either winning archery duels with them, because of their better armor, or by chasing them and, if they manage to catch them, beating them in melee. They can also accelerate the collapse of infantry which is still in relatively good shape through charges to the rear or flanks and take good care of foot skirmishers. They are, however, suitable nor prepared to frontally charge any decent close order infantry.

    Historically, the noble elite of the steppe nomads was able to afford better equipment and, thus, provided their armies with a core of heavier cavalry capable of hand-to-hand combat. The number of nomads that could afford the better gear and its amount and quality depended on the wealth and access to resources, such as mineral ore, of the various nomad groups. Consequently, it varied substantially by area and period. In the particular case of the Ancient Sarmatian culture, archeological and literary sources suggest that metal armor was relatively rare.



    If many Roxolani riders can now equip themselves with corselets of scale armor, their nobility go one step further and provide defenses for the horses they ride as well. Protection for their mounts is a substantial advantage for horsemen facing archers as horses, being large targets, are particularly vulnerable to missiles. Additionally, riders expected to charge headlong into the enemy will benefit when both horse and rider are armored because their momentum increases and their potential impact is greater. Because of this, the charge of a group of Roxolani nobles is truly terrible and will often succeed in punching a hole in an enemy battle line that the rest of the warriors will be able to exploit. However, this does not mean they are particularly suicidal: typically, they will first probe for weaknesses and, if none are to be readily found, they will work to create them. For such a task they may well resort to their bows, using archery to soften a spot prior to a charge. For an astute commander, they are a valuable resource that should not be squandered lightly.

    Historically, only the richest Sarmatian chieftains were able to furnish both themselves and their horses with complete sets of defensive equipment. However, the impact, at least psychological, of such superbly equipped riders upon their enemies seems to have been much greater than what their numbers alone might have led to expect. Often, depictions of Sarmatians in battle produced by their enemies show masses of armored horsemen. Archeology and other sources, however, indicate that this is a major exaggeration, but such depictions do hint as to what most durably impressed the foes of the Sarmatians.

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    Wow...looks great...this is one of the better previews I've seen so far.

    EB's representations of the factions seem to be getting better as the mod progresses.
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    "karthadastim" huh? sellouts.

    wow that historical info is thick! as always, everything is looking good. wish there were more than 5 units previewed though. will the sauromateans (sp?) need to conquer lands in order to field infantry? will any infantry they field be non-naitve? (i'm thinking of something similar to the mongols' "chinese infantry" in mtw)
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Thanks to Angadil for his great (and very long) faction desc.

    The lancers would use a two handed grip for their kontos once that is fully implemeted.

    Heh, even I'm excited to see the Sarmatians, finally.

    Big John, they can recruit foot archers while nomadic. They have to conquer to get higher infantry, however.
    Most infantry would be non native, however, for example when the Scythians started to settle down, many of the settled Scythians became infantry. It is far more difficult to keep a large herd of horses in settled lands than in the steppe.
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    Wooty

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    Just out of curiosity...how does Sauromatae translate to Sarmatians?


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    Love them, extremely informative preview with good units to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
    Just out of curiosity...how does Sauromatae translate to Sarmatians?
    according to the historical info, it's not a translation, but a corruption.

    i'd like to add that the "flavor" intro was very well written, imo.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Very nice.. in my opinion, the best looking preview yet.

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    Well thanks bouis, I think.

    Just out of curiosity...how does Sauromatae translate to Sarmatians?
    Big John nailed it on the head. We had some difficulty deciding a name, because there were numerous Sarmatian tribes. We needed a name that would include all of them. In the end, we ended on the one with the most proof: Sauromatae.

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    yah! I was looking in the backroom and saw somebodies sig and rushed right here. Man this looks good. I was hoping to see some steppe people. You guys never cease to amaze me.

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    The Roxolani nobles looks so majestic.

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    How exactly will they go about conquering cities if they have no infantry?
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    They will have infantry. Thus are only five uints. Surely Eb has more that just arent done yet or they just arent showing.

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    The Sauro lads look great, well done EB team!

    Footnote, I was just going to suggest Karthadashtim as an alternative name for the Karthaginians to EB, but before I got so far - they're already there. Eeexcellent!
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    personally, i prefer "tsorim" or maybe "ponnim". but i'm not going to get all broken up about it. it's probably not final anyway.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Cool preview, these are maybe my ancestors

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    The arthurian thing is interesting, definately.

    Fantastic preview btw, those Roxolani nobles are one of the best EB units yet, congratulations to whoever modelled/textured them

    EDIT: Dago, are you ossetian? that would be pretty cool
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    A very thorough and expansive preview containing a lot of interesting information. The units also look good and very well suited to steppe warfare.
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    No i am from Poland, but there is a hypothesis that slavs descend from sarmatians.

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    congrats on another succesfull countdown Wiz!

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    Fantastic preview, ive never bothered with the sarmatians in either vanilla or rtr as yet, looks like they`ll be the first faction i try when EB comes out(how much longer................)
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    all this cavalry and (breif) history is very good but thats bit of a short unit selection and there all cavalry units!!!!
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    yeah great units, I'd loved to see some infantry though :(

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    Then you'd better get busy conquering neighbouring regions!
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    Obviously, a steppe people like the Sauromatae would not have relied on much infantry. This is a very cavalry-heavy faction, and will be a grand treat to anybody who loves the flowing tactics of a steppe army.



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    all this cavalry and (breif) history is very good but thats bit of a short unit selection and there all cavalry units!!!!
    We've only showed you five units. Of course there will be more. And what do you expect? If you don't like cavalry, don't play as Sarmatians, play as a slow faction.

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    "a slow faction"

    lol
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Sorry, I have little tolerance for infantry factions.
    There will of course be some infantry that can be recruited, as well as mercanaries. But the Sauromatae are about cavalry thus about speed, the infantry is regulated to the very far background, as they are deserved to be.

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    Now, now... "the infantry is regulated to the very far background, as they are deserved to be" might be a tad radical, but of course, we all know Steppe Merc is a hardcore fan of cavalry... and (rightly?) proud of it too.

    Anyway, in this matter of Sarmatian infantry, how much of it and of what sort, EB attempts, as always, to reflect the historical situation. In short: there will be Sarmatian infantry units because they existed historically. Some Sarmatian groups moved out of the steppe into areas either not suited to the keeping of large horse herds or where becoming farmers instead of nomadic herders was a viable option. That process was already well under way in some areas by 272 BCE. Some of those settled Sarmatians fought as infantry (not necessarily good infantry, though..). However, when looking at the whole picture, the Sarmatians were first and foremost mounted warriors and our preview has put its emphasis on this aspect. We have just focused on what we judged the most iconic Sarmatian units (probably the ones a player will find himself using most, too).
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