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Vondelpark, Amsterdam, cool place.
http://www.moodlab.com/blog/files/arne_Vondelpark.jpg
http://www.oudzuid.amsterdam.nl/contents/pages/00001021/vondelpark045.jpg
Enjoy it while you can because after succesful lobbying of the butt-sex movement the city is going to allow public buttsex. Why? Well gays like having buttsex in a park you silly. It doesn't matter that it's meant for family's, gays like buttsex and that is the most important thing in the world and if you don't like watching men shredding eachother rectum in broad daylight when you take a walk with the kids you are a homophobe and a closet homosexual on top of that. Is it never enough for these guys? Am I really missing out on so much that everything has to move aside for their sexual perversion preferation?
Big_John
03-08-2008, 13:09
um, what? the dutch gubment is actually promoting a public park as a 'public gay sex' spot? or is it just a popular gay cruising spot? can women receive the "buttsex" there as well?
give link. can't pull up anything via traditional interwebs searchings.
It's the oldest and most beautiful park of Amsterdam, no it's not a cruising spot it's a family park. Plenty of places to cruise but I guess they had to have this one as well. The egocentricism of gays never ceases to amaze and disgust me. Link is in dutch so it won't be any good for you but here goes
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3480353/_Seks_mag_in_Vondelpark__.html
Big_John
03-08-2008, 13:32
yeah, i babelfished the story at the nrc website.. not the best translation... so i'm not sure i get the gist.
from what i could gather, it sounds like this park is a family park by day, and to some extent at least, a gay cruising spot at night. so they overseers (local government? national? i can't tell) decided to make it officially ok the have sex there at night. the idea being that they will be able to regulate it now.. or something.. apparently there are rules to it? and apparently there was some sort of survey that showed park users cared more about rowdy footballers and dogs than cruising gays??? what the hell are "zwerfvuil" and "hondenpoep"?
... i guess i'll need to read a proper translation before i can decide anything about this. what's the public reaction like? protests in the streets?
Kralizec
03-08-2008, 13:38
Dutch link...
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article964611.ece/Cruisen_homos_in_het_Vondelpark_gedoogd
A translated bit:
Rotterdam, 7 march. The Amsterdam stadsdeel (an administrative subdivision of a city) Old-South wants to allow* gay cruising in the Vondelpark and start to enforce dog leash laws more rigorously. Dogs on bicycle paths cause more nuisance than homosexuals having sex in public, seems to be the conclucion.
...
The stadsdeel acknowledges that sexual acts in public are forbidden, but still wants to allow* cruising for sex. If it's in the evening or at night, if they don't leave condoms lingering around and avoid children playgrounds, cruising won't be much of a nuisance, or so councillor Paul van Grieken (Green party) thinks. On the other hand, the stadsdeel intends to take action against streaking.
*the actual Dutch word "gedogen" applies to a situation where something is technicly illegal, but not prosecuted or otherwise done anything against by the government, like our soft drug policy.
Tribesman
03-08-2008, 13:44
So the story isn't what Frag says it is , what a surprise .:shrug:
Zwervuil = trash, here that would be condoms, cucumbers, schindler's fist, you get it.
hondenpoep = dogyouknowhat
Nope, not just at night because the evening and night thing isn't being enforced by law so they will tearing eachother inside-out 24/7
About that survey, you can order them everywhere.
PershsNhpios
03-08-2008, 13:45
Only in.. in.. ... Why Amsterdam?!
Who controls this country?
Do I understand correctly that this is only for gays and the government is irrespecting natural, secure people?
This makes about as much sense as this here story;
One day, there was a stressed business man who was trying to get home in time for his little boy's birthday party.
Suddenly, a man jumped out in front of him from an alley and shouted,
"Nice ass!"
The family man punched him in the nose, and the strange man started crying, and moping and whinging.
The family man kept walking, but the strange man followed him all the way home, whinging and criticising - until finally the family man took a deep breath, turned and said;
"Ok, I'm really sorry, I do have a nice ass - hey - why don't you go violate my wife, burn my house, and kidnap my boy.
If you want me, I'll be over by that Parliament building cudgelling myself into confusion and hopefully death."
"Ok" said the strange man.
The End.
Big_John
03-08-2008, 13:52
Dutch link...
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article964611.ece/Cruisen_homos_in_het_Vondelpark_gedoogd
A translated bit:
*the actual Dutch word "gedogen" applies to a situation where something is technicly illegal, but not prosecuted or otherwise done anything against by the government, like our soft drug policy.thanks for the translation.. so this is just a city sub-office of some sort that wants to permit (already has permitted?) cruising at night in this vondelpark? is this 'stadsdeel old-south' the ultimate authority on this?
on one hand, any kind of public sex is low-class and distasteful. i feel like a city should discourage it to some degree. but it should ultimately be in the hands of the people i guess.
any sense of public reaction yet?
Big_John
03-08-2008, 13:58
Zwervuil = trash, here that would be condoms, cucumbers, schindler's fist, you get it. ok. the shoddy translation i was reading gave the impression that it is non-gay-sex-related trash, candy wrappers and whatnot, that was the main concern in some survey or something.
hondenpoep = dogyouknowhati should have been able to figure that out... :wall:
Nope, not just at night because the evening and night thing isn't being enforced by law so they will tearing eachother inside-out 24/7you sure delight in the graphic visuals. :laugh4:
About that survey, you can order them everywhere.que? you're saying the survey is bunk?
If it was only by night why the 'not around children playgound', nope this will go exactly like it did with other parks where they are barebacking 24/7.
^--was directed at tribes
you sure delight in the graphic visuals.
Don't take it the wrong way ~;)
que? you're saying the survey is bunk?
It's Amsterdam of course it is.
Big_John
03-08-2008, 14:03
If it was only by night why the 'not around children playgound', nope this will go exactly like it did with other parks where they are barebacking 24/7.this has been done in holland before?
Kralizec
03-08-2008, 14:06
thanks for the translation.. so this is just a city sub-office of some sort that wants to permit (already has permitted?) cruising at night in this vondelpark? is this 'stadsdeel old-south' the ultimate authority on this?
on one hand, any kind of public sex is low-class and distasteful. i feel like a city should discourage it to some degree. but it should ultimately be in the hands of the people i guess.
any sense of public reaction yet?
These "stadsdelen" (literally, city parts) are sort of miniature municipalities with their own elected councils, and excercise some of the public tasks that normally befall on the city itself. They're outranked by the actualy city offices, but I doubt that Amsterdam proper is going to do anything about it.
No reaction to this so far, but that's not really surprising. It's public knowledge that gay cruising has been happening in the park for years, in effect they're just announcing that they're allowing it to continue.
Tribesman
03-08-2008, 14:10
this will go exactly like it did with other parks where they are barebacking 24/7.
Wow them dutch poofs must have amazing stamina , don't they ever sleep ?
this has been done in holland before?
There are a lot of meetingplaces and parks are popular. This is the first to actually allow it in word.
PershsNhpios
03-08-2008, 14:18
SLPVP.
Sanitarial Liberation Party of Vondelpark!
Bike in and out of the park lighting firecrackers and shining spotlights, Fragony!
While they fondle their wine and sip their bodies, play death metal and dance like cult-worshippers!
Kralizec
03-08-2008, 14:19
Wow them dutch poofs must have amazing stamina , don't they ever sleep ?
I imagine that they plough in shifts...
Big_John
03-08-2008, 14:20
These "stadsdelen" (literally, city parts) are sort of miniature municipalities with their own elected councils, and excercise some of the public tasks that normally befall on the city itself. They're outranked by the actualy city offices, but I doubt that Amsterdam proper is going to do anything about it.
No reaction to this so far, but that's not really surprising. It's public knowledge that gay cruising has been happening in the park for years, in effect they're just announcing that they're allowing it to continue.sounds like Fragony is living in the wrong society.. :embarassed:
i remember there being a gay cruising spot around one part of a lake near where i grew up. everyone knew about it, and pretty much no one cared/talked about it. the general sense was that it was better for the lonely quickie-seeking gay men to have a place to go, than for them to start 'cruising' all over the place, so the police just turned a blind eye. this is in bible-thumping oklahoma, btw.
then some of them started leaving condoms in the bushes, and someone complained about it. the police swooped in and closed down the spot as soon as the condoms made the evening news.
Big_John
03-08-2008, 14:23
SLPVP.
Sanitarial Liberation Party of Vondelpark!
Bike in and out of the park lighting firecrackers and shining spotlights, Fragony!
While they fondle their wine and sip their bodies, play death metal and dance like cult-worshippers!that sort of treatment might just titillate some of them.... :biker:
PershsNhpios
03-08-2008, 14:25
Well, if we all commit - perhaps we can work out a schedule for Vondelpark.
Gays will be gays on Monday.
Immigrants will be immigrants on Tuesday.
Locals will be locals on Wednesday.
Tourists can explore on Thursday.
And Friday is a, "Surprise Me", night.
The weekend will be absent because no one will want to set foot in the park for fear of staining their shoes.
At least this will kickstart hundreds of new jobs in the caretaking industry!
Kralizec
03-08-2008, 14:26
Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I've heard stories about the parks in my city as well, but as far as I know it's not that popular among homosexuals seeking anonymous sex. If it is, I prefer not to know, really.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I've heard stories about the parks in my city as well, but as far as I know it's not that popular among homosexuals seeking anonymous sex. If it is, I prefer not to know, really.
Then you have also heard that they aren't really hampered by things such as night and day, playgrounds and people that just want to take a walk. And that is what will happen here as well, the finger the hand you get it you are from here.
PershsNhpios
03-08-2008, 14:37
You mean to say that to those who walk in this park, men will be dropping left and right - running across the grounds and wrestling with each other?
That one would have to dilate and create several unexpected turns on his morning jog so as not to stumble into another group's morning job?
Will there really be people 'tripping and falling' everywhere?
And no one will help them up?
Big_John
03-08-2008, 14:38
ok Frag, i want you to get a picture of all sodom and gomorrah breaking loose on the playground in full daylight. preferably with mothers and children running around in terror.
for the lulz, if nothing else.
Yeah, sounds good.
Also the park doesn't look too beautiful in the first picture provided, looks quite littered already.
Now let's wait until a rain of fire rains down on it and destroys it, never to be re-erected again.
ok Frag, i want you to get a picture of all sodom and gomorrah breaking loose on the playground in full daylight. preferably with mothers and children running around in terror.
for the lulz, if nothing else.
Look in the archives for my thread 'Bull's eye'
Kralizec
03-08-2008, 14:46
Yeah, sounds good.
Also the park doesn't look too beautiful in the first picture provided, looks quite littered already.
Now let's wait until a rain of fire rains down on it and destroys it, never to be re-erected again.
:laugh4:
I'm anxious to hear what Navaros thinks of this. Has anybody seen him around lately?
ICantSpellDawg
03-08-2008, 16:56
If you make sex legal in a park (or decide to not enforce the law as policy?????!!!) you can expect to see people running around the park having sex. I love Nederlanders. They ruin their country so we don't have to. I'm sorry Frag - we'll be here ruining our country with Guns, War, Racism and Christianity while you ruin yours with Gays, Drugs, Whores and Muslims. Deal?
I'm just waiting for Butt plugs to become mandatory, then I'm packing up my stuff, moving to the netherlands then packing up my stuff. If you know what I mean.
:laugh4:
I'm anxious to hear what Navaros thinks of this. Has anybody seen him around lately?
Actually, he was finally taken up by the Rapture. You didn't get a postcard?
I'm just waiting for Butt plugs to become mandatory, then I'm packing up my stuff, moving to the netherlands then packing up my stuff. If you know what I mean.
Why settle for buttplug when you can get salafisted.
ICantSpellDawg
03-08-2008, 17:32
Why settle for buttplug when you can get salafisted.
I don't know what that means. I'm IN!
Big_John
03-08-2008, 22:31
there is a lot of testosterone in this thread.
seireikhaan
03-09-2008, 07:13
Hmm... I didn't realize that gay men were really just like a bunch of horny teenagers who don't EVER think it might be more appropriate/tasteful/enjoyable to keep it in their pants for a little while and enjoy themselves(and others) in some modicum of privacy.:inquisitive:
Sounds to me like a local gov't basically admitting that they hadn't been doing anything about the issue for years and it wasn't going to change.
CountArach
03-09-2008, 07:18
if you don't like watching men shredding eachother rectum in broad daylight when you take a walk with the kids you are a homophobe and a closet homosexual on top of that. Is it never enough for these guys?
I thought it was already established on here that all those who are anti-Gay Marriage were closet Homosexuals?
HoreTore
03-09-2008, 08:31
Fragony, you know there is a difference between two people flinging off their clothes in front of a dozen people and gets it on, and two people getting it on in the bushes somewhere.
I don't really see why sex in public should be hunted by the police, IF nobody is bothered about it. The police should have better things to do. Like generally abusing their power or beating up minorities.
Fragony, you know there is a difference between two people flinging off their clothes in front of a dozen people and gets it on, and two people getting it on in the bushes somewhere.
Yeah, the second rarely happens because it stings too much.
Yeah, the second rarely happens because it stings too much.
Says one who has never tried it. :thinking:
LeftEyeNine
03-09-2008, 17:45
What happened to Euro point of view really ?
What's your business when people want to have sex in a park ? Keep the children away, and that's it.
Why do you hate freedom ? Isn't this form of an expression of "freedom of speech" ? "I don't harm you directly with what I'm doing right now, so why do you get offended ?"
People should be allowed to do everything on their very own will. They always decide the best. So what's your reasoning to whine about it ?
I'm gonna go draw some Mohammed charicatures on my arms, right now !!!11111oneoneone
Kralizec
03-09-2008, 18:48
Lefteyenine: what would bother you more, a picture mocking Muhammed or Ataturk?
HoreTore
03-09-2008, 19:45
Yeah, the second rarely happens because it stings too much.
Bah, sex in the bushes is teh best.
Muhammed or Ataturk?
muha just met a turk
Caerfanan
03-10-2008, 16:01
As always, it's not a mater of yes or no, but better a matter of "how to handle it the best way". Where to put the limit, if I put it differently (no pun intended)
Fragony is chocked by the measure, and if it's about gays shagging in public, I am also. I'm all for letting free people stay free, but as someone says, your freedom stops when the other's begin...
your freedom stops when the other's begin...
I like :yes:
Vladimir
03-10-2008, 17:56
What happened to Euro point of view really ?
What's your business when people want to have sex in a park ? Keep the children away, and that's it.
Why do you hate freedom ? Isn't this form of an expression of "freedom of speech" ? "I don't harm you directly with what I'm doing right now, so why do you get offended ?"
People should be allowed to do everything on their very own will. They always decide the best. So what's your reasoning to whine about it ?
I'm gonna go draw some Mohammed charicatures on my arms, right now !!!11111oneoneone
LEN, we need to party; srsly!
While hondenpoep is my new favorite word it doesn't exactly fall under the 1st amendment. :no:
What happened to Euro point of view really ?
What's your business when people want to have sex in a park ? Keep the children away, and that's it.
Why do you hate freedom ? Isn't this form of an expression of "freedom of speech" ? "I don't harm you directly with what I'm doing right now, so why do you get offended ?"
People should be allowed to do everything on their very own will. They always decide the best. So what's your reasoning to whine about it ?
I'm gonna go draw some Mohammed charicatures on my arms, right now !!!11111oneoneone
Oh yes, making fun of ancient superstition should NOT be allowed. Stop insulting Thor already.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-10-2008, 21:20
Do you guys not have public exposure laws?
Seriously?
This is a bit twisted, really.
Tribesman
03-11-2008, 00:10
Do you guys not have public exposure laws?
Seriously?
This is a bit twisted, really.
Yeah well , but is it any different to this place...
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/living_environment/open_spaces/hampstead_heath.htm (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/living_environment/open_spaces/hampstead_heath.htm)
Kevin Keegan and George of toilet fame have gotta go somewhere ain't they:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Does it get many complaints about poofs in the park ? is it still used by thousands of non poofs ? Do kiddies still play in the playgrounds ?
It seems like they share a similar problem with the Vondelpark though ...hondenpoep:yes:
Something really must be done about those dog owners , its disgusting what they get up to .
Divinus Arma
03-11-2008, 01:18
Buttsex.
Buttplug.
Interesting. :clown:
Gregoshi
03-11-2008, 01:32
Buttsex.
Buttplug.
Is there no end?
Incongruous
03-11-2008, 03:36
Is there no end?
I know a few open slots.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-11-2008, 04:56
So, Fragony, do you think the whole concept is nothing but a pile of hondenpoep, or is this just a call for less Sodom and more Gomorrah?
:devilish:
You should move to the States, man. We've got something like 90% of our police doing nothing but staking out parks and airport bathrooms. Damn good use of their time, too! No semi-public hondenpoep on our watch!
PershsNhpios
03-11-2008, 05:21
Well, at least mothers shall no longer fear for their daughter's sanctity when she steps out on a date to Vondelpark.
Her date, however, should invest in some pepper spray!
Big_John
03-11-2008, 08:39
Well, at least mothers shall no longer fear for their daughter's sanctity when she steps out on a date to Vondelpark.
Her date, however, should invest in some pepper spray!or astroglide.
just in case.
So, Fragony, do you think the whole concept is nothing but a pile of hondenpoep, or is this just a call for less Sodom and more Gomorrah?
:devilish:
It's the attitude that disgusts me. Do what you want but don't bother others, and no, this won't be only in the evening and the night, and especially considering how shamelessly gays like to delight in exhibitionism this park will soon be like the others.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-11-2008, 12:31
Yeah well , but is it any different to this place...
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/living_environment/open_spaces/hampstead_heath.htm (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/living_environment/open_spaces/hampstead_heath.htm)
Kevin Keegan and George of toilet fame have gotta go somewhere ain't they:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Does it get many complaints about poofs in the park ? is it still used by thousands of non poofs ? Do kiddies still play in the playgrounds ?
It seems like they share a similar problem with the Vondelpark though ...hondenpoep:yes:
Something really must be done about those dog owners , its disgusting what they get up to .
Where does it say there that you can sodomise people on the Heath?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-11-2008, 13:05
It's the attitude that disgusts me. Do what you want but don't bother others, and no, this won't be only in the evening and the night, and especially considering how shamelessly gays like to delight in exhibitionism this park will soon be like the others.
I understand your point.
You're upset at a situation where a potentially marginalized "minority" group has gone past what appears to be the bounds of common sense.
Obviously, in a free society, such marginalized groups deserve equal treatment and, to the fullest reasonable extent, protection from persecution by government. History teaches us that many such individuals have been persecuted in the past, and this is not appropriate in a free society.
What galls you, I suspect, is the apparent display of "If I can't get my way of doing/being to be protected and officially sanctioned" then I am being persecuted, that some such groups seem to display.
I don't think any of our societies has a perfect balance between protection of rights for all individuals and protecting everyone from everything they find offensive.
Sadly, the Golden Rule does not translate well into legal code.
Vladimir
03-11-2008, 13:12
Hondenpoep.
That is all.
I am upset because they are getting the go by the local government, no it's not ok to have sex in a park where everybody can see you, so incredibly selfish to want to be able to do that. That place is for normal people taking a walk with kids, play some football, but they don't care about all that, all they care about is their apparently fundamental right to hump eachother in the open.
Caerfanan
03-11-2008, 14:56
I like :yes:
If more people would care to think (open-mindedly of course) about it, a better place the world would be... It's always a matter of balance.
I am upset because they are getting the go by the local government, no it's not ok to have sex in a park where everybody can see you, so incredibly selfish to want to be able to do that. That place is for normal people taking a walk with kids, play some football, but they don't care about all that, all they care about is their apparently fundamental right to hump eachother in the open.
How much buttsecks have the park users involuntarily stumbled upon, though? :inquisitive:
Vladimir
03-11-2008, 17:31
Never mind. I'll stop now
How much buttsecks have the park users involuntarily stumbled upon, though? :inquisitive:
Well so far not that much unless you are stupid enough to visit it at night, but that is going to change thanks to the moral support of the local government.
A link provided by Fenring at page one said the following
If it's in the evening or at night, if they don't leave condoms lingering around and avoid children playgrounds, cruising won't be much of a nuisance, or so councillor Paul van Grieken (Green party) thinks.
A link provided by Fenring at page one said the following
As I said, it's not going to be only in the evening and the night. And it's the green party, nuff said, they don't even mind that one of their senators is a known pedophile, probably even proud about it, it's a creepy group of pipesmoking socioloco's and militant activists. It's no less then an invitation to stretch the limits of what is acceptable.
Tribesman
03-11-2008, 18:42
Where does it say there that you can sodomise people on the Heath?
It doesn't , but the police and park police have taken the same approach as what the vondelpark authorities are taking .
Since Hampstead still is used for the recreation and enjoyment of Londoners and tourists despite the presence of poofs cruising for sex I would say that Frag is once again just going off on one .
However as Kevin Keegan found out , places like that can make you a target of gay bashers who want to beat the hell out of poofs at night for their own entertainment .
London isn't runned by the type of people that run Amsterdam. And the gay lobby isn't that influencial. 2 Years ago the gay parade allowed a boat with minors (up to 11 years old), the year after they allowed a boat with people with down-syndrome, I wonder what they can come up this year.
And the most imortant question isn't 'why not' but 'why do'. Plenty to do in Amsterdam if you are gay.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-11-2008, 21:47
It doesn't , but the police and park police have taken the same approach as what the vondelpark authorities are taking .
Since Hampstead still is used for the recreation and enjoyment of Londoners and tourists despite the presence of poofs cruising for sex I would say that Frag is once again just going off on one .
However as Kevin Keegan found out , places like that can make you a target of gay bashers who want to beat the hell out of poofs at night for their own entertainment .
I don't doubt it happens Tribes, but it doesn't get local endorsement, does it?
Tribesman
03-12-2008, 00:32
2 Years ago the gay parade allowed a boat with minors (up to 11 years old)
OMG thats shocking , errr .....hold on Frag you tried that one before , that was the shocking story that turned out to be gay parents bringing their kids along with them :dizzy2:
the year after they allowed a boat with people with down-syndrome
Are people with down syndrome not allowed to be queens for the day ?
are you feeling a little Haggard Frag ? is this a case of the ladyboy doth protest too much ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I don't doubt it happens Tribes, but it doesn't get local endorsement, does it?
doesn't it ?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-12-2008, 03:10
I think turning a blind eye is slightly different...
HoreTore
03-12-2008, 08:59
I think turning a blind eye is slightly different...
*the actual Dutch word "gedogen" applies to a situation where something is technicly illegal, but not prosecuted or otherwise done anything against by the government, like our soft drug policy.
Sounds like turning a blind eye, doesn't it?
Besides - it wasn't just gays, it was about the government turning a blind eye to sex in general in the park - if done in such a way that it didn't bother anyone... Which sounds fine and dandy IMO.
Sounds like turning a blind eye, doesn't it?
It's turning a blind eye untill you speak it out, then it becomes encouragement.
Shaka_Khan
03-13-2008, 07:53
The plants could use the semen as fertilizer. The fish, ducks, and turtles in the pond might like it too.
Adrian II
03-15-2008, 13:48
Enjoy it while you can because after succesful lobbying of the butt-sex movement the city is going to allow public buttsex.Looks like this lobby was crushed before it even got started.
This was only a committee proposal. A concept from a so-called 'Deelraad', a neighbourhood council with limited authority made up of local idiots and kvetches. The City Council and the Mayor are against it, and the concept is going nowhere. Much ado about nothing again.
Looks like this lobby was crushed before it even got started.
This was only a committee proposal. A concept from a so-called 'Deelraad', a neighbourhood council with limited authority made up of local idiots and kvetches. The City Council and the Mayor are against it, and the concept is going nowhere. Much ado about nothing again.
Let's hope so we will see, it's Amsterdam so they will order a poll showing people having no problem with it.
ICantSpellDawg
03-15-2008, 14:45
Looks like this lobby was crushed before it even got started.
This was only a committee proposal. A concept from a so-called 'Deelraad', a neighbourhood council with limited authority made up of local idiots and kvetches. The City Council and the Mayor are against it, and the concept is going nowhere. Much ado about nothing again.
Phew - It will be back.
Adrian II
03-15-2008, 15:02
Phew - It will be back.Such stories will always come back, if only because some people need them to feed their grumpy view of modern life. :coffeenews:
ICantSpellDawg
03-15-2008, 15:34
Such stories will always come back, if only because some people need them to feed their grumpy view of modern life. :coffeenews:
You confuse cause with effect. Are you saying that right wingers pushed the agenda through local politics to rally the base?
Or that they reacted to an assault on public dignity?
Big_John
03-16-2008, 00:56
You confuse cause with effect. Are you saying that right wingers pushed the agenda through local politics to rally the base?
Or that they reacted to an assault on public dignity?imo, adrian is saying some people need to believe the sky is falling, it's the way they best get along in life. so when a non-issue like this pops up, the chicken littles cry fowl.. er.. foul, and make hyperbolic posts in backrooms about how the sky is falling. i could be wrong though.
ICantSpellDawg
03-16-2008, 01:42
imo, adrian is saying some people need to believe the sky is falling, it's the way they best get along in life. so when a non-issue like this pops up, the chicken littles cry fowl.. er.. foul, and make hyperbolic posts in backrooms about how the sky is falling. i could be wrong though.
I'm sure that is what he meant. He is wrong. We respond because there is a problem, not because we made it up to feel righteously indignant.
Big_John
03-16-2008, 01:54
Not a non-issue, you are completily dismissing the fact that this is Amsterdam.incorrect, i am dismissing nothing. i am simply taking adrian's analysis
A concept from a so-called 'Deelraad', a neighbourhood council with limited authority made up of local idiots and kvetches. The City Council and the Mayor are against it, and the concept is going nowhere. Much ado about nothing again.for granted, since i was stating my interpretation of this post:
Such stories will always come back, if only because some people need them to feed their grumpy view of modern life. :coffeenews:
Tribesman
03-16-2008, 02:05
Not a non-issue, you are completily dismissing the fact that this is Amsterdam.
You can go on gays and about it being Amsterdam as much as you like Frag , but where would Amsterdam be if they didn't have dykes ?
ICantSpellDawg
03-16-2008, 02:06
incorrect, i am dismissing nothing. i am simply taking adrian's analysisfor granted, since i was stating my interpretation of this post:
"local idiots" affect policy. Look at the U.S. House of Reps.
Or every time a single U.S. judge decides that he thinks he knows better than the legislative process, our national system goes nuts and has to damage control and debate the future of our country. It is foreseeable to me that people in Amsterdam might allow something like this to happen
I think eventually people will be able to have sex wherever they'd like in the name of freedom. Why not? they can cuddle in public, kiss, etc. What is sex anyway? Women can breastfeed in most western countries, why can't people enjoy themselves? Maybe they'll even wear clothes while doing it. If we require that they bring a baggy with them to pick up their mess.
I think this has to do more with judeo-Christian moralizing than logic. People having sex doesn't hurt anyone. Everybody needs to get over their prude attitudes and embrace nature.
Big_John
03-16-2008, 02:14
"local idiots" affect policy. Look at the U.S. House of Reps.
Or every time a single U.S. judge decides that he thinks he knows better than the legislative process, our national system goes nuts and has to damage control and debate the future of our country. It is foreseeable to me that people in Amsterdam might allow something like this to happen
I think eventually people will be able to have sex wherever they'd like in the name of freedom. Why not? they can cuddle in public, kiss, etc. What is sex anyway? Women can breastfeed in most western countries, why can't people enjoy themselves? Maybe they'll even wear clothes while doing it. If we require that they bring a baggy with them to pick up their mess.
I think this has to do more with judeo-Christian moralizing than logic. People having sex doesn't hurt anyone. Everybody needs to get over their prude attitudes and embrace nature.you have a grumpy view of modern life.
ICantSpellDawg
03-16-2008, 03:17
you have a grumpy view of modern life.
So do you. So does everybody who argues about the way things are or should be on this forum. Get over yourself.
Big_John
03-16-2008, 06:26
So do you. So does everybody who argues about the way things are or should be on this forum. Get over yourself.no one gets over themselves. but, my view on modern life is fairly balanced. not the rosiest, but certainly not grumpy.
Adrian II
03-16-2008, 11:58
So do you. So does everybody who argues about the way things are or should be on this forum. Get over yourself.Why do you hate happiness?
Tribesman
03-16-2008, 12:31
Why do you hate happiness?
Whats to hate about it ?
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,2497889-6485071-WMLO,00.html:laugh4:
Vladimir
03-21-2008, 02:42
Whats to hate about it ?
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,2497889-6485071-WMLO,00.html:laugh4:
OMG OMG, Tribesman posted a link! I'll have to click it!!!
Adrian II
03-22-2008, 04:10
Whats to hate about it ?
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,2497889-6485071-WMLO,00.html:laugh4:Good grief, who is that douchbag? :whip: :laugh4:
Big_John
03-22-2008, 05:28
Good grief, who is that douchbag? :whip: :laugh4:maybe he discovered his talent in a Vondelpark midnight shakespeare festival.
Tribesman
03-22-2008, 10:40
Good grief, who is that douchbag?
How dare you , comments like that should get you sent down to hard labour in the jam butty mines .
Its Dodd , I was rather disappionted when I read that he had pulled out from the republican Presidential race .
Myrddraal
03-22-2008, 11:40
gedogen
Personally I think this isn't a good strategy. I think it undermines the legal system of the country. I believe some people were prosecuted for soft drug use, but the courts said they could not be prosecuted because there wasn't enough enforcement for it to count as a proper law.
The courts making laws? Sounds very dodgy to me. Holland needs to make it's mind up about what's legal and what's not, the current system (with people paying VAT on illegal goods, and the courts making up the laws as they go along) might be working for now, but it's pretty fragile.
Kralizec
03-22-2008, 14:25
The reality is a little more nuanced than that.
The government once made a concious decision that possesion of small quantities of marijana (5 grams) meant for personal use would not be prosecuted.
In jurisprudence Dutch courts use a doctrine called "legal certainty". In short, people shouldn't be punished by retroactive criminal laws, but neither by sudden decisions to prosecute something that has always been explicitly tolerated in spite of the letter of the law.
For that matter, doesn't the UK have plenty of archaic legislation that is never enforced?
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