Lorica Segmentata? [Archive]

pezhetairoi

03-08-2008, 17:37

Why aren't the Romans wearing the lorica segmetata as the RTW game does? All sources show they are wearing it! Asterix shows all the Roman soldiers in Julius Caesar's era also wearing it. The lorica segmetata is the best armour! According to the articles and books i read like Dorling Kindersley's 'ROMANS' eyewitness book says the lorica segmetata was cheap and easy to produce! Why does the EB team not include it? It is not historically reaslistic! :furious3: :furious3: :wall: :wall: :furious3: :furious3: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :whip: :whip:

...sorry, I just had to do it. XD We didn't have an LS thread for March yet, so I thought I'd just try my hand at one, since it seems so fun there's one every month. :clown:

Tiberius Nero

03-08-2008, 17:45

Also Romans liked cheese. And pie.

Strategos Alexandros

03-08-2008, 17:46

And bacon.

Moosemanmoo

03-08-2008, 19:27

Ooooh, I do wonder who will take this on?!

*sits down with popcorn*

I think there ought to be a poll for the best "where is the LS?" thread

Long lost Caesar

03-08-2008, 19:47

phew, for a second there i thought this was serious! dont mess with my head like that man :dizzy2:

Hax

03-08-2008, 19:47

At first, I was looking at it thinking 'Oh gods,' but when I saw your name, I just knew that SOMEHOW it wasn't serious.

=======

By the way. Ducks.

Reno Melitensis

03-08-2008, 20:18

Pezhetairoi there is a price to pay for mentioning the Lorica Segmentata on this forum, you are now the most wanted man:whip: , dead or alive, with a price of 10,000 mnai on your head. May Jupiter Maximus have mercy of your soul.:shame:

Tyrfingr

03-08-2008, 20:24

And bacon.

I eat bacon almost every day...my colesterol is shooting high and the grease is plugging my bloodstream. I will have to ask myself only one thing: Do I feel lucky? Well, do I? PUNK!

Strategos Alexandros

03-08-2008, 20:25

Ah, but is it from Lorica segmentata wearing pigs?

Poulp'

03-08-2008, 20:47

LS's threads are great, they help orgers stay alert.

A thread a day keeps you people okay.

Disciple of Tacitus

03-08-2008, 21:08

I think Pez should start a LS thread EVERY month. That way the inevitable starter of the not-yet-made LS thread can just read Pez's insightful and informative comments ...:laugh4:

Xtiaan72

03-08-2008, 21:13

At this point you should just give L.S it's own sticky!

Aper

03-08-2008, 22:01

Hax

03-08-2008, 22:02

Heh, epic. That's a major f**k you in Hollywoods general direction.

Aper

03-08-2008, 22:07

Heh, epic. That's a major f**k you in Hollywoods general direction.
:laugh4: I'm really glad of this

J.Alco

03-08-2008, 22:22

BELOVED FORUM THREADS NOW CONFIRMED AS ENDANGERED. POSSIBLY EXTINCT.

Let's not all forget that, many months ago, there flourished a great species of posts that, because of the high value of its flame-bait (a sad thing in indeed) may well have become extinct through obscurity. Due the recent rarity of the sightings of such proud threads, the species is feared to be extinct amongst many forum-thropologists. This tragic thread species I'm talking about is the now-famous 'EB Team has Underpowered Romans' thread. Even the thread sub-species of '(Insert civilization name here) is overpowered' has become elusive, leading to mounting fears that it, too, may well be heading down the road of never being seen again.

This should be of the greatest concern to the forums GreenusPax, yet no-one seems to care, a conspiracy is perhaps afoot here...?

Apgad

03-08-2008, 23:09

And what about the camels? Where are the camels?

Tiberius Nero

03-08-2008, 23:13

And what about the camels? Where are the camels?

BRING BACK THE CAMELS:furious3: :smash: :inquisitive: :balloon2:

Sorry, I meant women, heh.

General Appo

03-08-2008, 23:26

Romans are to weak, I demand camels and LS, the Ptolies/Seles/Bakts are kicking my ass, turns are to slow, the new sea slows the game, greek doesn´t look that way, and some more shit.

Aper

03-08-2008, 23:32

BRING BACK THE CAMELS:furious3: :smash: :inquisitive: :balloon2:

Sorry, I meant women, heh.

It's true, it's true! I really suffer the lack of the "woman" mount type!:furious:
...
"mounted women??" :gah:
...
oops :clown:

Hax

03-08-2008, 23:39

Save the Slingers!

Tiberius Nero

03-08-2008, 23:44

some more shit.

Seconded.

Watchman

03-09-2008, 00:04

"...a new survey finds that again this year the number one issue among voters is bullshit (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/poll_bullshit_is_most_important)."

anubis88

03-09-2008, 01:16

How about:

Why didn't i get the reforms? I met all the requirements but of course i didn't touch the guy in the top left corner!:laugh4:

Dhampir

03-09-2008, 01:53

And what about the camels? Where are the camels?

Indy told Sallah: "NO camels!"

Indy = God.
Therefore
Indy's word = Word of God.

mlc82

03-09-2008, 02:01

I started laughing when I saw this question thinking "this poor bastard has no idea that he just jumped headfirst into a raging fire"... then realized I've seen you posting here for awhile and it was likely a joke :laugh4:

pezhetairoi

03-09-2008, 02:30

Definitely fun alright. XD I was waiting to see how many people got heart attacks before they recognised who wrote it. XD

We should start monthly overpowered threads just to keep the thing alive too. Endangered threads must be preserved for posterity! XD

It's also a way of paying tribute to the old fact that history repeats itself. :D

beatoangelico

03-09-2008, 02:38

What about lorica segmentata guys riding camels and using slings?

pezhetairoi

03-09-2008, 03:04

What about LS-wearing elephants on egyptian chariots drawn by four horses, one hurling javelins, one shooting arrows and one hurling AP, BP, very_long_range flaming pigs with its trunk? Frightening infantry and cavalry both. Deadly, man.

underthesun

03-09-2008, 03:10

Wait wait wait wait!

What about...

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RiOIRhjrtVs/Ru3ucE3eLNI/AAAAAAAAAAs/sG5yHldZqzo/S692/Bear%2BCavalry%2BBlog.JPG

pezhetairoi

03-09-2008, 03:14

Oooh, sweeeeeeeeeeet.

Now that would be cool. Camel repeating ballista men should come back in too!

*whimsical*

Beefy187

03-09-2008, 03:24

Why are those naked men soo darn strong? I expect to beat them with my Hastatii on VH battle difficulty!!:smash:

pezhetairoi

03-09-2008, 03:28

Wrong thread, beefy187. That belongs in the Celtic Overpowered Thread of the month. Save the endangered threads!

Tarkus

03-09-2008, 03:52

Save the endangered threads!

Reduce, reuse, recycle...

Ibrahim

03-09-2008, 03:59

I see pezhetairos posted an LS page for the heck of it..:inquisitive: :beam: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Wolfman

03-09-2008, 07:13

I almost had a heart attack when i saw this thread. Then when I saw who posted my only response was. ROFL!

Ibn-Khaldun

03-09-2008, 09:15

I think that pezhetairoi should change the entry about LS in wikipedia .. oops .. I ment uncyclopedia >> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Full_Metal_Jacket

Spartan198

03-09-2008, 09:37

Why not Rhino cavalry,as well?

Visitor13

03-09-2008, 10:21

beatoangelico

03-09-2008, 14:22

Wait wait wait wait!

What about...

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RiOIRhjrtVs/Ru3ucE3eLNI/AAAAAAAAAAs/sG5yHldZqzo/S692/Bear%2BCavalry%2BBlog.JPG

omg the new sweboz special unit! ~:eek:

Poulp'

03-09-2008, 14:27

https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6283/120094649189cy5.jpg

L.C.Cinna

03-09-2008, 14:58

Also Romans liked cheese. And pie.

well... they liked mice and bread

evidence (http://www.legionsix.org/mouseleft.jpg)

look (http://www.legionsix.org/neideraboveback.jpg)

:yes:

pezhetairoi

03-10-2008, 10:01

Well, that was fast. It only took 48 hours thereabouts for my crazy thread to be relegated from the front-page. XD

Centurion Crastinus

03-10-2008, 17:48

I know the Truth about LS: it was made of leather! :clown:
Seriously, have you ever heard something about this? A large group of Italian reenactors strongly support this possibility... What do you think??

The actors casted as the Roman Soldiers who crucified Jesus in "Passion of the Christ" wore leather LS. I always thought that it was laziness on the part of the Costume designer though.

pezhetairoi

03-10-2008, 18:01

So did the fellows who made the original Spartacus. The Spartacus people had an excuse, because if I read about it, there had been no LS archaeological finds, on Trajan's Column before that. But the Passion ones, now... I don't know. Maybe they've got, like, 'smart casual LS' and 'formal LS', the latter only worn in battle, or something. XD

zooeyglass

03-10-2008, 18:04

Why not Rhino cavalry,as well?

please please pleeeeeease can we get rhino and bear cavalries? the successor cavalry and cataphracts will finally have a bane and a half!

Jolt

03-10-2008, 18:52

I think there ought to be a poll for the best "where is the LS?" thread

The LS is with this guy (http://www.entertainmentrights.com/uploads/image_bank/asset_1594_hl.jpg) in here (http://www.ondeestaowally.blogger.com.br/wally_jogo_retratos.jpg).

Now find him.

Respenus

03-10-2008, 19:23

@pezhetairoi

You my fiend are going to die a very, very painful death when I get my hands on you. You want to know what I dreamt last night? You feeling lucky punk? I dream about historians chasing me in the middle of some got forbidden winter forest with books entitled "The Roman Empire 100-200 AD" and screaming "Lorica Segmentata is real! Look in this book!" Then there was some strange business with our family car going berserk or something like that. Doesn't matter. What does is that you RUINED my well deserved sleep. God knows I don't get it enough already and what do you do? Ah?!

/rant off

Gebeleisis

03-10-2008, 19:38

i think to much EB can cause dissease:inquisitive:

Respenus

03-10-2008, 22:16

i think to much EB can cause dissease:inquisitive:

I believe that this has already been proven. The thing, is, I haven't had time to even start EB for the last 3 weeks, yet alone play a decent game. Maybe it's the withdrawal symptoms? If this is the case, then I can sue EB for not including a warning!

General Appo

03-10-2008, 22:29

I wouldn´t do that if I were you. Just so you know, the EB team has tracked your IP and through some other dubiously legal methods have find out your adress plus some other info about you, but that doesn´t need to concern you. What should concern you is that any attempts to sabotage EB is going to result in a visit by a team of EBF´s (EB Fanatics) that will "convince" you to stop your sabotage attempts. Trust me, as co-coordinator of the EBF´s teams and MofAC (Master of the Arcani Order (basically the information gathering and silent removal of disturbing persons section of the EBF´s)) , I know how traumatic such a visit can be, so please don´t make any such attempts. Please.

Hax

03-10-2008, 22:39

Never mind a visit by the famed Conversation Killer.

General Appo

03-10-2008, 22:55

Ah yes, Special Agent CK001 (Conversation Killer #1).
I won´t reveal his abilities here, but let´s just say that tavern conversations isn´t the only thing he kills. *makes shifty eyes*
Anyway, just take a hint and don´t sue EB or mention LS, or Special Agent LSG001 (Lorica Segmentata Guardian #1, Pez that is) might give you a visit.

Disciple of Tacitus

03-10-2008, 23:36

eep!

Special Agents CK001 and LSG001!
:damnmate:

Be afraid, be very afraid!
:eeeek:

General Appo

03-10-2008, 23:53

Well, if they want other names they can have them, but that´s what the (un)official EBF member registery calls them anyway.
And I definitely agree with the second part of yout post, fear is a very valuable feeling, one that can save a man from much uneccessary potential physical hurt, so yes, for your own good, be very afraid.

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-11-2008, 00:10

Just a note on the leather for anyone wondering:

It has no basis in reality, only appears on Trajan's collumn and would be fairly pointless because the Romans wore a padded leather/linin vest under their armour anyway.

Watchman

03-11-2008, 00:57

I hear the sets went with that above all because the props were cheap to make and easy to wear...

mlc82

03-11-2008, 04:09

Come in Nighthawk

03-11-2008, 04:30

How about:
Why didn't i get the reforms? I met all the requirements but of course i didn't touch the guy in the top left corner!:laugh4: :dizzy2: Yeah, yeah... laugh at the newbie... :oops: OK, so now I "touch the guy in the top left corner" and occasionally check again later... "just to be sure!" :laugh4:

BTW, over at RAT there was a thread not too long ago about the leather LS... I read it, but wasn't convinced... I don't think too many other folks were either...

As to LS (the METAL kind) I just assume since the game auto-destructs in AD 14 y'all decided not to bother!! I mean AFAIK, the earliest recovered fragments securely dated come from the Clades Variana in AD 9, and despite somebody (anybody) wishing that "Colt Brothers" :laugh4: in downtown Lugodunum (sp?) had been cranking sets out for years (very doubtful), its hard to imagine the entire army on the Rhine having it by AD 9, never mind AD 14...

Now, if in EB 2 (or 2.x) y'all extend the span of the game out to say about AD 211, then I would say, "let's talk!" :idea2:

It was a real hoot reading this thread. Having only joined a few weeks ago, I guess some poor soul must have wanted his Camillan troops (or Polybian anyway) in LS... Poor guy (gal?). :smash:

Cheers! :book:

Ibrahim

03-11-2008, 04:50

so---EB has its council of ten?:inquisitive: do they also have the mouths of truth, with which to secretly deliver messages to the council?:inquisitive:
:clown: :clown: :clown: :clown:
message: there's a guy named georgius, he said bad things about EB's greek:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown:

General Appo

03-11-2008, 07:41

Yeah sure, the mouths are called by their very special and very secret name, PM. Don´t tell anyone, or else... *clenches fists and looks hard at Ibrahim*

Ibrahim

03-11-2008, 07:47

ok...*looks around and leaves*:inquisitive:

pezhetairoi

03-11-2008, 12:19

Let's see... the EB Council of Ten...

Hax, the Duke of Discourse Demise
Me, Lord of Lorica Segmentata
General Appo, Master of the Arcani
Disciple of Tacitus, Squire of Spiked Drinks
Horst Nordfink, Viscount of Violent Vivisection
Parallel Pain, Mentor for Mental Disturbance
Hooahguy, Elector of Escalation through Equipment

...who else? (trawls through the EB tavern)

LSG 001! *gleefully adds title to sig*

Gebeleisis

03-11-2008, 13:03

lol guys,

gimme my BEER!!!

J.Alco

03-11-2008, 14:21

A sudden thought: With all the LS tomofoolery that happens around here, I'm wondering if whether the EB team has even been told in a thread:

"EB team wat the hel!!1??1 Yr Romans don luk like reel romuns!!!!11!1 SUX!!!!1 (and perhaps a few more one's, with the occasional idiotic comment followed by a ROFLcopter or, failing that, LOLerskates)"

Tiberius Nero

03-11-2008, 14:58

Romans on lollerskates and roflcopters, now that's an idea!

Hax

03-11-2008, 15:07

Here, f.ex. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=74686&highlight=Lorica+Segmentata)

Ludens

03-11-2008, 17:03

A sudden thought: With all the LS tomofoolery that happens around here, I'm wondering if whether the EB team has even been told in a thread:

"EB team wat the hel!!1??1 Yr Romans don luk like reel romuns!!!!11!1 SUX!!!!1"
Most people who come to EB have already played R:TW vanilla, and realize that the Romans did not use LS for most of their pre-imperial history. However, I do recall some posters who reported that something was wrong with the Imperial legionaries, as they did not wear LS.

With all the LS threads popping up recently, I wondered whether we shouldn't have a standard answer form. How about something like this?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/ludenslsanswer1.jpg

Disciple of Tacitus

03-11-2008, 17:17

lol guys,
gimme my BEER!!!

Suuuuurrre. Here, let me get you one ... wait ...
*glances over at EB council of 10 or so. Gets the slow "no" nod*

No, no. Try one of these fine beers.

*draws a fresh pint of Gebeleisis's favorite beer*

*smiles*

zooeyglass

03-11-2008, 17:18

FANTASTIC.
one comment: dates after the birth of Christ are normally "AD" before the number. BC comes after.
Thus, EB covers 272 BC - AD 14.
small point......

in other news: why do so many people care about LS anyways? it's such a small detail compared to so many other AMAZING things in EB.....

Disciple of Tacitus

03-11-2008, 17:21

Most people who come to EB have already played R:TW vanilla, and realize that the Romans did not use LS for most of their pre-imperial history. However, I do recall some posters who reported that something was wrong with the Imperial legionaries, as they did not wear LS.

With all the LS threads popping up recently, I wondered whether we shouldn't have a standard answer form. How about something like this?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/ludenslsanswer1.jpg

Ludens! :smash: :smash:

You've done it, Lad!!

:idea2:

You realize that Pez, the Guardian of the LS Thread, will be shamelessly stealing that pic for the endless LS posts to come!

Oh, but Happy Days!!

Drinks for everyone!!

Ibrahim

03-11-2008, 17:32

BrillianT! it's geniuns!! now how do we put that on EB in a way that even the biggest DF can find?:inquisitive: :clown:

pezhetairoi

03-11-2008, 17:50

But but, why would I be stealing that picture? I represent all the oppressed masses who will miss every single sign, post and omen in our way that there are no LS in EB, and continue to ask why there won't be any LS, so why would I steal a picture that proves I know there is a sign in my way? :(

Lol, Hax! Your sig!

Ibrahim

03-11-2008, 18:17

still, we need this on EB 1.1

General Appo

03-11-2008, 18:32

I´d just like to add that all current member of the EB Council of 10 might at any time change their titles to a title of theri own chosing, and in fact they are encouraged to do so, as to personalise thier membership of the Council.
Also, all members of the EB Team are of course honorary bosses, who´s commands must always be obeyed. Unless they´re really stupid of course, but that shouldn´t be a problem.

Ludens

03-11-2008, 18:34

one comment: dates after the birth of Christ are normally "AD" before the number. BC comes after.
Thus, EB covers 272 BC - AD 14.
Thanks. English is not my first language, as you may have noticed.

in other news: why do so many people care about LS anyways? it's such a small detail compared to so many other AMAZING things in EB.....
It is uniquely Roman and easily recognizable. Most basic history books and almost all of popular culture features Roman soldiers wearing it. For many people it is the quintessential Roman armour, and a game about Romans would not be complete without it.

You realize that Pez, the Guardian of the LS Thread, will be shamelessly stealing that pic for the endless LS posts to come!
Since it was intended as a form answer for LS threads, I don't see the problem. Pezhetairoi, or anyone else, is free to use it.

zooeyglass

03-11-2008, 18:43

Thanks. English is not my first language, as you may have noticed.

no worries. it's not even a language thing - most native english speakers think AD comes post-date rather than pre-date.....maybe it's just a stylistic thing that is no longer taught....

thank you for your response all the same on LS.

Gebeleisis

03-11-2008, 20:57

nice "unit" description :D

*takes the beer*

Ibrahim

03-11-2008, 22:20

~:cheers: indeed...

Disciple of Tacitus

03-11-2008, 22:31

General Appo

03-11-2008, 22:41

Or else Ludens will be taken care of. *shifty eyes*

pezhetairoi

03-11-2008, 23:53

Ah yes, and answer only General Appo could have given. It's only missing the word 'quietly'. XD

We are tacking on titles like....I don't know what. XD Us EB Tavern people are getting drunk on a lot more than alcohol, heh.

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

03-12-2008, 02:59

no worries. it's not even a language thing - most native english speakers think AD comes post-date rather than pre-date.....maybe it's just a stylistic thing that is no longer taught....

thank you for your response all the same on LS.

It's a Latin thing, Anno Domini means "In the Year of Our LORD" So "AD 14" but today 14 AD is acceptable and preffered because the original meaning is superceded by convenience of type-setting.

We're supposed to use CE/BCE but if I was a non Christian I would find that pretty offensive because it suggests the official birth of Christ is a universally significant and non-religious event, which it isn't.

Sarcasm

03-12-2008, 04:57

Or if I had half a brain, I'd think it's more of a custom to use that rather than any religious statement, and to change it on those grounds would be PC bullshit.

Mouzafphaerre

03-12-2008, 05:13

Or if I had half a brain, I'd think it's more of a custom to use that rather than any religious statement, and to change it on those grounds would be PC bullshit.
.
:yes:
.

Tiberius Nero

03-12-2008, 05:48

It smells like PC BS at first, but the rationale of calling it "Common Era" is that Jesus is unlikely to have been born at 1 AD (various arguments about chronology, don't remember), so it is inaccurate to call his birth the turning point of our counting; but since that counting is now entrenched in popular consciousness and we are unlikely to establish with any certainty the accurate date, and even if we did, no way would we start counting again and call our year 2005 AD or sth (as it more accurately is), so just substitute the historically loaded AD for the neutral/arbitrary CE/BCE, which admits honestly that our counting is conventional and not based on an established event happening at an established time.

Since even non Christians use the same way of chronology (along with whatever systems they have pertaining to their cultures/religions) "Common Era" is an accurate way of saying it; it is not supposed to be offensive because it does not purport to take Jesus' birth as a starting point of our Common Era. So imo there is nothing PC about CE, nor offensive to non Christians, what is behind this whole business is a dispute in chronology about Jesus' birth.

Ibrahim

03-12-2008, 06:11

@ T.Nero: they're asying Jesus was born in 6 BC; others as late as 2BC

Disciple of Tacitus

03-12-2008, 07:24

We are tacking on titles like....I don't know what. XD Us EB Tavern people are getting drunk on a lot more than alcohol, heh

Yes, and I feel fine. Now, one more drink then off to work. ... er...

What is it that I do again?:inquisitive:

pezhetairoi

03-12-2008, 12:05

You're a student. In Tacitus' school. You learn things. Like all the latest fads in poisons and drink spikings. Yah.

zooeyglass

03-12-2008, 13:19

Or if I had half a brain, I'd think it's more of a custom to use that rather than any religious statement, and to change it on those grounds would be PC bullshit.

exactly....

and as for it being latin, shock horror, i was not aware of that! but given that it is latin that does not actually make any difference as the the pre- or post-number position, as, as we all know, latin sentence structure is rarely bothered by word order or convention in that way.....even such solid rules as "verb comes last" (and that's a 7year old's beginner introduction to latin rule) don't really hold with any regularity.....so yeah....

General Appo

03-12-2008, 16:26

Ah yes, and answer only General Appo could have given. It's only missing the word 'quietly'. XD

The Arcani doesn´t do things quitely, that for Tacitus and his disciples.
When we want someone to... take a vacation, we simply rush at him, stab... I mean hug, him in the back and then runs away again. Quick, easy and funny, the way all things are supposed to be.
Though admitedly we sometimes uses imported throw-axes and cut of Brittish heads in lime (yes, lime the fruit) to the same means.
And sometimes we just go wild and ride my imported and pimped-out Egyptian Scythed Chariot drawn by 8 Flaming Pigs through the streets of Roma, you ought to see those Pleibs faces when they see us coming at them down a narrow alley with no escape routes.