Has anyone EVER had the AI accept a cease-fire?

[cart6566]

On normal difficulty? I am 0 for 15 or so in my campaign as the English, early start.

[spiffy_scimitar]

Actually, yes , several times. The french, when I was kicking their butts with the english ... the spaniards as well... this was on normal.

The turks accepted a ceasefire when I was playing egypt, on hard.. but in all cases , it was within the first hundred years. Afterwards, everyone has declined the offer.

[ToranagaSama]

Yes.

0 for 15?? How many different factions?

[cart6566]

4 different factions that I can think of: French, Spanish, Italian, Novgorod. I always try for a cease-fire when I am calling off the dogs to avoid excommunication, so that I can free up trade routes and unit movement on the seas.

Now that I think about it though, the French may have accepted one very early in the game (around 30 years in), can't remember though. Somehow I got must have gotten a cease-fire with the Byz without asking, because now my emissary gives the alliance dialogue when dropped on one of theirs. Anyway, still pretty abysmal...

[Pragmatic]

Ceasefire, heck! How about alliances, or even princesses. I was playing the English, took Flanders quickly from the French. Then I formed an alliance with them. I took Wales and Scotland. I started looking for more allies.

Danes? Nope.
HRE? Nope.
Spain? Nope.
Aragon? Nope.
Almohad? Nope.
Italy? Nope.
Sicily? Nope.
Hungary? Nope.
Poland? Nope.
Novgorod? Nope.
Byzantine? Nope.
Egypt? Nope.
Turkey? Nope.

Now, I know the Muslims don't have daughters for alliances, but how about those factions that had two or three princesses just sitting around. I know most of my heirs are not that great of catches, but still...

And, as the Byzantines, the only faction that I could get to give me princesses was the Sicilians. I had something like six princes, all married to Sicilian princesses. Of course, my emperor lived a long time, so that when he died, I went through three heirs within six years. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif My new heir, however, is fantastic. He's got several nice virtues, and great stats. And I can't convince anyone to marry him.

It's gotten so bad that I started just assassinating all emmisaries and princesses, just out of spite.

[el_slapper]

Poles, 30 years after factual ceasefire(no attacks from both sides). We exchanged princesses 2 years after!!! But never during a tough fight.

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[Yoko Kono]

in my game as france, england and aragon were at war with me while no one wanted to know me
after a asuccelful crusade the papacy allied with then the HRE did too
i could not get spain to ally or aragon to cease fire however after taking portugal from the almohads both spain and aragon who were allied and at war with almo allied with me at their request
poerhaps you need give the ai an incentive or common goal to give reason for an alliance

[olaf]

I have seen them do it, but they definitely are quite contrary. I can be kicking the crap out of someone for years, while they are getting mauled by someone else on another front to boot, meanwhile posing zero risk to me, and they will reject a cease fire with me over and over again.

olaf

[Hakonarson]

Yep - but don't rely on it!!

I think it helps if you DON'T have a land border with them tho!! EG as the Danes the only times I'm ever at war with Almo or Turkey is when I have Portugal or Antioch after they've rebelled & the Moslems declare a Jihad to get them back.

And almost immediately after they do they either offer or accept a cease fire and I get my trade back!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I accepted a cease fire from the Russians as Denmark the other day - the next turn they attacked!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

[cart6566]

That is probably the problem, the borders. I have land borders with every other faction in the game. I guess I need to stay non-aggressive for a while and let money come back before making a run at the map.

Follow up question: when I use my higher rank emissaries, i at least get a response. Either reduce the troops at our border (yeah, right) or wage war against my enemies. Will doing any of these things actually help? Italians, who are at war with the Turks, asked me to do this. I am currently taking one Turkish territory per turn. If I stay aggressive any chance?

[todorp]

AI NEVER accepts cease-fire. Even if I besiege AI fraction in it's LAST province.

[hiver77]

One way to have a cease-fire is to have it occur naturally by making sure that you're no longer adjacent to that faction, meaning:
- you don't have ships in sea region bordering any part of his territories
- no ship in sea region with that faction's ship
- no land border (you can do this by making a buffer of rebel states between you and him)

Then a cease-fire will happen after 2 turns.

[Hakonarson]

That's just you Todorp - the game is programemd sothat all AI factions hate YOU.

My AI factions love me!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Rob]

I might have this wrong, but I believe that if you besiege an enemy, then remove your troops from the province (allowing the other faction to regain the province without bloodshed) then a state of neutrality will return.

I might be wrong about that, but I have observed it on several occasions.

Ending a war by diplomacy seems to be almost impossible.

[This message has been edited by Rob (edited 10-08-2002).]

[Lord Romulous]

I have ended wars with the siclians on several occasions playing the italians on hard.

my allies the Siclians attacked me for no reason (i was not even expanding my empire just trading and such) we had a bit of a crack at each other during which I lost one provience to them. Was a bit undermanned so i proposed a ceasefire, and they accepted it after a intial rejection. about 10 years later they attacked me again. i sucussfully beat off their attacks causing hideous casualties to the sicilians. i again proposed a ceasefire cause i wanted to trade with them and they accpeted it after a few tries.. a few more years down the track and i was ready for my revenge.
i killed some of their shipping and then retook the provience i lost early on to them.
a war taking about 50 years took place with long periods of no fighting. evetually i had the strength to spare to take malta. and then finally sicily.

moral of the story.

yes the ai does accept ceasefires, sometimes repeatedly.

[sidhe]

I've had cease-fires accepted on expert, but the deal is the other guy has to be at some kind of a disadvantage. Both the Almohads and the Egyptians were at war with me and also at war with each other. They couldn't wait to get a cease-fire, both accepted on first offer, so that they could get at each other more freely!

As far as getting people to ally with you; so far any faction I play has everyone as an ally at one time or another -- most of them are offered to me I admit, but my offers get accepted at least half the time.

Maybe the reason for both of these conditions in my games is that I play GA, never attack a faction unless provoked, always abide by my treaties and focus on trade. Of course, I've been playing England and Denmark a lot, too.

Even as the HRE, with the French backstabbing me and the stupid Pope excommunicating me for defending myself, I have no trouble getting cease-fires and alliances if I "behave myself".

But you can't *win* that way! I get ever so close, though..

[Rosacrux]

somewhere on this forum, somebody, posted some very good inside stuff (game mechanics) about when the AI accepts your ceasefire. Take a look, it must be around here somewhere.

In my current game (English, early - modded to have many more rebel provinces, with greater garissons and harder to keep quite - GA) I got hit bad by both France and HRE (they took my only two continental provinces) and while HRE accepted one of my princesses in the next turn (and even more afterwards - we are good friends since that "incident") I am at war with the French for over 50 years now. They send an army to Wessex every now and then, only to get wiped out... but they never agree on a ceasefire.

[This message has been edited by Rosacrux (edited 10-08-2002).]

[chunkynut]

I mostly ignore alot of the game diplomacy because i find if i propose something it dosent go through but if the AI proposes it i can then at least accept!

I think if you are a dormont power ie loads of troops in no (maybe one if your after a ceasefire) inter-faction wars, then you are likely to get alliance/ceasefire.

[Crimson Castle]

No, but I have convinced them to grant their daughters in marriage (several times) to me though. Funny, they won't accept a cease fire but they'll allow me to marry their daughters.

Its the Byzantines btw. They were wiped out, then they revived, became my allies, attacked one of my provinces very unsuccesfully. (If they had asked nicely and offered their Princess in marriage - I would have given them the territory in return) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Then when my emissaries proposed to their princesses they said yes. But when my emissaries asked their king for a ceasefire they said NO.

[barocca]

Quote Originally posted by Rosacrux:
somewhere on this forum, somebody, posted some very good inside stuff (game mechanics) about when the AI accepts your ceasefire. Take a look, it must be around here somewhere.[/QUOTE]

can't find, need a little more info,

[Rosacrux]

sorry, but that's about all I remember. I don't remember the poster, nor the exact content.

[TheLastEuropean]

Quote Originally posted by todorp:
AI NEVER accepts cease-fire. Even if I besiege AI fraction in it's LAST province. [/QUOTE]

I have NEVER seen the AI accept a cease-fire whilst simultaneously being attacked. Seems it don't care much for bullying. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Yes it is realistic - offer peace while advancing was one of Napoleon's maxims - but in MTW you need to be a little more considerate! Try backing off for a bit then have another go at allying.

With a reasonable influence King I actually have more SUCCESS than failures when trying for marriages/alliances/cease-fires but I play my GA campaigns similar to how Sidhe says he plays his.

Quote Originally posted by sidhe:
Maybe the reason for both of these conditions in my games is that I play GA, never attack a faction unless provoked, always abide by my treaties and focus on trade. Of course, I've been playing England and Denmark a lot, too.

Even as the HRE, with the French backstabbing me and the stupid Pope excommunicating me for defending myself, I have no trouble getting cease-fires and alliances if I "behave myself".[/QUOTE]