Legionary Eagles

[Spartan198]

What's the benefit of capturing a legionary eagle (other than "Haha,I beat you,Rome" bragging rights)?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

What's the benefit of capturing a legionary eagle (other than "Haha,I beat you,Rome" bragging rights)?You couldn't really class it as a benefit, but the Roman faction you took the eagle from seem to direct military attention onto the settlement where your eagle has been sent to. This is possibly related to senatorial missions being sent out in your direction.

Beyond that, and a nice influence boosting trait (+1 influence for every eagle captured up to 3) for the general in charge of the force, I don't think there is much of a bonus provided. I think that the enemy general who has lost the eagle loses influence.

~:)

[Spartan198]

I see. Another question,now. Is capturing an Eagle random,or is there some way to trigger it?

Destroying a First Cohort,perhaps?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

It's only available after capturing a first cohort in vanilla. In mods, however, the number of units with eagles may be extended. As a general rule, anything with a golden blob on the top of the huge floating banner over the unit's heads has an eagle.

Some mods have disabled eagles though, although some units do have them, this is for alternative purposes.

~:)

[Spartan198]

It's only available after capturing a first cohort in vanilla. In mods, however, the number of units with eagles may be extended. As a general rule, anything with a golden blob on the top of the huge floating banner over the unit's heads has an eagle.

Some mods have disabled eagles though, although some units do have them, this is for alternative purposes.

~:)
"Capture" or "destroy"? If it's the former,I never knew you could capture units in RTW. What conditions have to be fulfilled to capture a unit?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

"Capture" or "destroy"? If it's the former,I never knew you could capture units in RTW. What conditions have to be fulfilled to capture a unit?Sorry - I meant to say destroy :embarassed:

In other words, the unit must be completely obliterated with not a single man left. I'm not sure if the automatic unit disbanding which occurs if a unit only has five or below men in it counts though. Likewise I'm not sure if the automatic stack disbanding after the stack has a very small number of men in it provides eagle capture. I'm inclined to say yes to both of the latter two, but don't quote me on it.

~:)

[Flavius Merobaudes]

Destroy.:skull: You cannot capture a unit although it would be nice.

Non-Roman generals can only get the captured eagle trait which gives them +1 command at each level up to +3 for 3 captured eagles. For Roman generals there are two more traits. Here's an excerpt from export_descr_character_traits:


Trait LostEagle
Characters family
ExcludeCultures barbarian, greek, eastern, egyptian, carthaginian
AntiTraits RegainedEagle

Level Disgraced
Description Disgraced_desc
EffectsDescription Disgraced_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Influence -4
Effect PopularStanding -10

Level Utterly_Disgraced
Description Utterly_Disgraced_desc
EffectsDescription Utterly_Disgraced_effects_desc
Epithet Utterly_Disgraced_epithet_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Influence -8
Effect PopularStanding -20



;------------------------------------------
Trait RegainedEagle
Characters family
ExcludeCultures barbarian, greek, eastern, egyptian, carthaginian
AntiTraits LostEagle

Level Partly_Redeemed
Description Partly_Redeemed_desc
EffectsDescription Partly_Redeemed_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Influence 2
Effect PopularStanding 5

Level Mostly_Redeemed
Description Mostly_Redeemed_desc
EffectsDescription Mostly_Redeemed_effects_desc
Epithet Mostly_Redeemed_epithet_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Influence 4
Effect PopularStanding 10



;------------------------------------------
Trait CapturedEagle
Characters family

Level Eagle_Taker
Description Eagle_Taker_desc
EffectsDescription Eagle_Taker_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Command 1

Level Two_Eagles
Description Two_Eagles_desc
EffectsDescription Two_Eagles_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Command 2

Level Eagle_Collector
Description Eagle_Collector_desc
EffectsDescription Eagle_Collector_effects_desc
Epithet Eagle_Collector_epithet_desc
Threshold 3

Effect Command 3

You can only gain one eagle per battle - no matter how many First Cohorts you destroyed.

Edit: Omanes was faster...

[Spartan198]

I rarely encounter First Cohorts anymore except in BI (which I don't play very often anymore). I'll have to take advantage next time I run upon one in RTW.

Thanks for the info,guys. ~:thumb:

[Quirinus]

So that means that, even if the aquilifer has been struck down but a handful of first cohort legionaries escape the field of battle, you won't capture an eagle?


You couldn't really class it as a benefit, but the Roman faction you took the eagle from seem to direct military attention onto the settlement where your eagle has been sent to. This is possibly related to senatorial missions being sent out in your direction.
Do they follow the army that obliterated the first cohort, or do they follow the general, if they are seperated?

[Flavius Merobaudes]

I don't think it's enough to kill the eagle carrier, my bet is on destroying the whole unit so that it ceases to exist on the campaign map. Some guys might flee as long as the unit is lost... But that's only my observation.

The eagle doesn't follow the army or general, it is stored in the nearest (?) town. You will get a message that says: "The eagle has been brought to xyz."
You can expect stack after stack of Romans trying to conquer it.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

The First Cohorts in vanilla don't actually have an eagle carrier as such - the eagle is just "there" in the unit somewhere and is indicated on the top of the the large floating standard. Some mods have modified this though (even then the entire unit must be obliterated before capturing the eagle however).
I rarely encounter First Cohorts anymore except in BI (which I don't play very often anymore). I'll have to take advantage next time I run upon one in RTW.This is because of recruiting limitations in R:TW - first cohorts can only be granted by senate missions or by training them from Rome itself. In BI they can be trained anywhere with the relevant infrastructure.

~:)

[Spartan198]

What I mean is,I always obliterate the Romans long before the Marian reforms occur in RTW,and in BI,Rome and Constantinople are already at huge level to train First Cohorts.

[Celt Centurion]

Destroy.:skull: You cannot capture a unit although it would be nice.


You can only gain one eagle per battle - no matter how many First Cohorts you destroyed.

Edit: Omanes was faster...

Oh yeah. I have fought many battles destroying as many as three First Cohorts but the most eagles I ever got was one per battle.

I did have one General once who had captured 5 eagles.

I'd like to see eagles attached to Generals or shown on Settlement detail scrolls to show that they possess a number of eagles or that so many eagles are stored in a certain city. It would also be nice to be able to "move" captured eagles from some barbarian village of 400 people to a large or huge city where it can be better protected. There was an occasion when I had three eagles in Segistica, just a small wooden wall, and Rome kept sending armies to take it back. It wasn't until I had taken Patavium and some other cities that Rome concentrated on taking those rather than worrying about their eagle.

Had I been able to "move" those eagles down to Athens or Corinth, the Romans would not have lost so many legions trying to take that little town.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion