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Ice
03-11-2008, 21:59
http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html

I was reading an article about the benefits of doing cardiovascular exercise after weight lifting when I stumbled upon this article.

I found it interesting, and I thought I'd share considering most of the stuff one hears, at least in the USA, is about how marijuana will somehow give you cancer of the ass or make you a drug addict.

Thoughts?


By Joshua Levine
Health Correspondent - Every other Saturday


marijuana can be good for youAre you sick of hearing your girlfriend nagging you about letting go of your pot pasttime? Have you been hearing a lot of negative things about the use of marijuana lately? Would you like to know what the real deal is behind the use of this infamous drug? Then read on because you're in for a surprise.

One of the saddest things in North America is the lack of clinical trials on marijuana use. Many other countries in the world have already performed such tests in order to destroy myths about this drug, which has been in use for thousands of years... mainly for medicinal purposes.

The data from previous studies, published in numerous books and scholarly journals, covered such matters as marijuana's effects on the brain, lungs, immune and reproductive systems; its impact on personality, developmental and motivational states; and its addictive potential.

Although these studies did not answer all remaining questions about marijuana toxicity, they generally supported the idea that marijuana was a relatively safe drug -- not totally free from potential harm, but unlikely to create serious harm for most individual users or society.

The following list will hopefully demystify several myths about marijuana use and help answer a lot of serious questions:
health risk myths & realities
Marijuana Overdose
There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you high) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1.

For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses claim approximately 5,000 casualties yearly, but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as any official reports.

Brain Damage
Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use causes brain damage. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use.

In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity in your brain. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states, which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

Memory
Marijuana does impair short-term memory, but only during intoxication. Although the authoritative studies on marijuana use seem to agree that there is no residual impairment following intoxication, persistent impairment of short-term memory has been noted in chronic marijuana smokers, up to 6 and 12 weeks following abstinence.

What other myths have been going around about smoking a doobie

more marijuana myths
Heart Problems
It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. Marijuana smoking, however, does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects on blood pressure are complex and inconsistent as of yet.

Hormones
Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.

Reproductive Damage
No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.

The Immune System
Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC (the active compound in marijuana) have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections.

But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites remain in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off).

This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC might have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

Cancer
Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways.

The Gateway Effect
Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use.

If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use.

Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use.
the potential benefits
# Because smoked marijuana contains a variety of combustion compounds, it can damage the lungs and possibly the immune system. Several health committees recommended the development of an inhalation device that delivers pure THC -- the active ingredient in marijuana -- to the lungs. Such a device has not yet been created.


# There is some evidence -- but no scientifically valid studies -- that marijuana is useful in treating some forms of epilepsy and spasticity caused by multiple sclerosis.


# Some studies show that smoked marijuana is effective for some patients in relieving nausea caused by cancer and chemotherapy.


# There is evidence that marijuana may improve the appetite and help patients gain weight. This could be lifesaving for AIDS patients who develop wasting , a severe weight-loss condition.


# Smoking marijuana is effective in lowering pressure inside the eyeballs of some patients with glaucoma. A word of caution, however: the drug also drops blood pressure, and this could compromise blood flow to the optic nerve and damage
vision.

So there you have it. For additional information on the benefits of marijuana, I highly recommend the book The Benefits of Marijuana : Physical, Psychological, and Spiritual by Joan Bello.

CrossLOPER
03-11-2008, 22:27
What will happen if I don't use pot?

Caius
03-12-2008, 00:24
Marijuana Overdose
There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you high) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1.

You dont die of overdose. You die of something else.

Goofball
03-12-2008, 00:29
You dont die of overdose. You die of something else.

Laughing too hard while watching Super Troopers after blazing up a little chiba?

Lemur
03-12-2008, 02:27
Thoughts?
I've never known a pothead as violent and dangerous as a drunk. Also, I have a relative in downstate Illinois who works as a defense attorney, and according to him every single burglary/grand theft auto that he defends involves alcohol. "I just wanna get a call about a robbery and not hear that they were drinking," he told me. Over drinks.

I don't smoke pot, but I still think it should be legalized.

LittleGrizzly
03-12-2008, 02:33
What will happen if I don't use pot?

From what people have told me, aslong as you don't use it moderately you should be ok, some extensive breaks periodically from not using should sort you out if any problems arise...

I smoke quite a bit myself and i am fully in favour of legalisation...

Ice
03-12-2008, 02:35
Laughing too hard while watching Super Troopers after blazing up a little chiba?

I was watching the boondocks and almost laughed myself to death on one of the episodes. I don't think I've laughed as many times in my life.

CrossLOPER
03-12-2008, 03:42
Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....

LittleGrizzly
03-12-2008, 03:51
Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....

Well i find i have my first joint of the day, and i have a relaxed buzz feeling in my head, i physically relax as well, in a few minutes my mind and body feel relaxed.

It makes me a more chilled out giggly person, almost everything i enjoy doing is better with pot, funnys movies become hysterical, deep thinking movies become more confusing but a whole lot more intresting at the same time, a mundane thing such as sitting chatting with friends you see every day becomes either an intresting or funny situation than it otherwise would have been.

I guess mainly it makes the mundane intresting and makes intresting stuff 2x as entertaining, to be honest i never see myself giving up pot.

Vladimir
03-12-2008, 04:36
Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....

It's easier than thinking. No, I don't mean "wouldn't it be cool if/then" logic.

Mouzafphaerre
03-12-2008, 04:49
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Meh. Keeping alcohol legal and banishing the rest is plain hypocrisy. ~:handball:
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Ice
03-12-2008, 05:56
Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....

It's fun to put it simply.

Nothing better than working a long, hard day, and then coming home, smoking a joint, watching tv, and eatting a bag of chips.

PershsNhpios
03-12-2008, 12:04
...

I hope this is a joke.

There is usually a general rule about not encouraging or confessing illegal activity on forums.

I've known smokers of such substances, and they are unpredictable creeps to be rather frankish.
There are stories quite numerous of how men who have enjoyed their dirty habit for ten years or so suddenly break into schizophrenia, some murdering their friends - others driving into a tree, (Mistaking it for a lane), - generally, I would recommend leading a less artificial life CrossLOPER.


Creating a thread for garnering interest in illicit drug use seems unnacceptable even here.

Peasant Phill
03-12-2008, 12:34
Granted, the use of illegal (unless in Holland) drugs shouldn't be promoted on this forum IMHO.
I know a lot of people who smoke or have smoked quite a lot but I haven't noticed them being unpredictable creeps. Moreover, I've never heard of stories about pot use turning into murders. Long term use is without a doubt negative on the human system but I doubt that pot induced killing sprees are common. It sounds more of urban myths designed to warn kids of drugs.

Viking
03-12-2008, 12:36
You dont die of overdose. You die of something else.

I'm not aware of marijuana being particularily lethal, but dragging smoke into the lungs is of course never a smart thing to do.

The thing abour marijuana is that it ruins the memory. I'll repost the link I found earlier:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060313_pot_brain.html



In one memory test, long-time uses remembered seven of 15 words, on average. Non-users remembered 12 of 15. On a decision-making test, those who had rarely smoked pot had impaired performance 8 percent of time, while long-term tokers had 70 percent impairment.

The results are detailed in the March 14 issue of the journal Neurology.

The study involved 64 people age 17 to 49 selected from a larger study group. They were split into three groups: those who had smoked four or more joints per week for more than 10 years; those who'd been smoking for five to 10 years; and those who had smoked at least once but not more than 20 times and not at all in the past two years.

...

A Harvard Medical School study in 2003 found lasting memory impairment in people who had started smoking marijuana before age 17, when the brain is still forming.

And research published in November indicated that heavy marijuana use might put adolescents who are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia at greater risk of developing the brain disorder.


Of course, the question is if this is more of a reason for a drug to be banned than what lung cancer is.

Mikeus Caesar
03-12-2008, 14:40
Legalize cannabis for the over-22's. 22 is about the age when your brain fully matures and won't be screwed over by pot. That way, the shops will sell it, and growers will experience huge dips in profit due to a large chunk of the market suddenly being taken away (much easier to pop down the shop then meet with a shady dealer). The only people left buying weed from dealers would be youths, and with the sudden cut in growers, they'd find it much harder to buy the stuff illegally.

I say this stuff at my age obviously because if it ever happened, i'd be most definitely over the legal age :beam:

CrossLOPER - to avoid the previously mentioned 'guidelines' about not condoning drug use and so forth, i'll pm you.

And also, to all others - i recommend we avoid any future talk of our habits or condonance of said habits, or this topic will swiftly be snared, caught and shot. Just keep it on the straight and narrow about legalisation and such.

Goofball
03-12-2008, 18:16
I've known smokers of such substances, and they are unpredictable creeps to be rather frankish.
There are stories quite numerous of how men who have enjoyed their dirty habit for ten years or so suddenly break into schizophrenia, some murdering their friends - others driving into a tree, (Mistaking it for a lane), - generally, I would recommend leading a less artificial life CrossLOPER.

Is Reefer Madness your favorite movie, or just in your top ten?

There are also "stories quite numerous" about people drinking booze for the first time, then driving into a tree, or hurting somebody in a bar fight, or engaging in a little date rape, or...

Well, you get the point...

Caius
03-12-2008, 19:03
Laughing too hard while watching Super Troopers after blazing up a little chiba?
Noy sure what you meant, but Glenn is saying the truth.

Ice
03-12-2008, 19:34
Noy sure what you meant, but Glenn is saying the truth.

Except he really isn't, Caius. The amount of ignorance in that post and yours is laughable.

Goofball has it correct. In case you didn't know, Reefer Madness was a propaganda video made in the 30s that created false notions that still live on today. You should try watching it.

Mooks
03-12-2008, 19:38
When I first clicked on the link, and it said "Askmen.com" I said to myself "O lord..." . Some strains of marijuana are intensely powerful aphrodisciacs (Im spelling it wrong, but increases your sex drive tremondously)

Anyway, link doesnt work for me. Completley white/blank page.


CrossLOPER: Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....

Im sending this user what I think is so "awesome" about this drug. As a marijuana user myself, I have some opinions on it. Caesar told me not to go on that discussion path though, so im keeping it to the pm's. If anyone would like a copy, feel free to ask.

Ice
03-12-2008, 20:07
When I first clicked on the link, and it said "Askmen.com" I said to myself "O lord..." . Some strains of marijuana are intensely powerful aphrodisciacs (Im spelling it wrong, but increases your sex drive tremondously)

Anyway, link doesnt work for me. Completley white/blank page.



Im sending this user what I think is so "awesome" about this drug. As a marijuana user myself, I have some opinions on it. Caesar told me not to go on that discussion path though, so im keeping it to the pm's. If anyone would like a copy, feel free to ask.

I'll post the link in the OP post.

TinCow
03-12-2008, 21:12
Here's a medical benefit not listed in that article: menstrual cramp relief. I can't verify this first-hand, for obvious reasons, but I know several women who say it works far better than even prescription medication.

Goofball
03-12-2008, 21:57
Noy sure what you meant, but Glenn is saying the truth.

Riiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhttttt......

:juggle2:

If by "truth" you mean "a bunch of stuff he believes because it fits with what he wants to believe." I'll grant you that much.

Caius
03-12-2008, 22:05
Goofball has it correct. In case you didn't know, Reefer Madness was a propaganda video made in the 30s that created false notions that still live on today.
I know that US isnt fighting terrorism after all, so... I know whats going on.

Craterus
03-12-2008, 22:09
Yes the Iceman is an Occasional Stoner

Wow, you're cool.

Ice
03-13-2008, 01:24
I know that US isnt fighting terrorism after all, so... I know whats going on.

.....

What does this have to do with how marijuana works on the human body?


Wow, you're cool.

So are you. Now are you going to contribute anything to thread?

Craterus
03-13-2008, 01:30
A subtle contribution in itself but I have no desire to derail the thread from the 'science' of cannabis.

Mikeus Caesar
03-13-2008, 06:59
A subtle contribution in itself but I have no desire to derail the thread from the 'science' of cannabis.

http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08114/science593.jpg

Do you doubt there to be science involved with the study of cannabis? Because that is an utterly absurd statement.

Craterus
03-13-2008, 11:18
No, but similar investigations have come up with polarised conclusions.

Anyhow, must dash. ~:wave:

Idaho
03-13-2008, 21:17
Seriously, what is so awesome about this drug? Does it really make your life that much better?

Really, if someone can provide a good explanation on why pot is so awesome, tell me.

EDIT: I'm serious. I'm truly curious....
There is nothing awesome about cannabis. It's like any other drug. Pleasurable for some, dull to others, unpleasant to a few. Is it bad for you? A little. Should adults be allowed to make up their own minds? Yes of course they should.

As for the car crashing weird schizo creeps... :laugh4: I'm going out back for a smoke :yes:

MerlinusCDXX
03-15-2008, 21:19
By Joshua Levine
Health Correspondent - Every other Saturday


Because smoked marijuana contains a variety of combustion compounds, it can damage the lungs and possibly the immune system. Several health committees recommended the development of an inhalation device that delivers pure THC -- the active ingredient in marijuana -- to the lungs. Such a device has not yet been created.

Just to provide accurate information, there is a device that delivers the active ingredients of cannabis without pyrolization (burning/smoking). It vaporizes the substances found in the crystalline deposits on the outside of the "buds" for inhalation. As for the ability to deliver pure THC, that would be impossible to accomplish without extensive refinement of the raw "buds" because THC is not the only medicinally active compound in cannabis. Since the concern seems to be lung damage caused by combustion compounds, this vaporizer seems to be a viable alternative for those who wish to use cannabis without risking lung health. There are 2 versions of the vaporizer that I'm aware of, one using a heating element from a car lighter, the other using a paint stripper gun. The rest of the parts are commonly available, and instuctions for constucting the device can be found in "cannabis culture" magazines.