View Full Version : What makes the Epeirotes so fricking great?
General Appo
03-27-2008, 10:15
Howdy.
In my Sweboz campaign I have noticed something very strange. In the area around Pella and Demetrias there are 6 Famous Battle markers, all from Epeirote victorys. 3 against the Maks, 2 against KH and 1 against the Getai.
So my question is, what causes the Epeirotes to win so many great battles? Don´t get me wrong, I love it and is great for role-playing, but there´s got to be something that causes this. I know the Baktrians often get so huge because they HA´s are underpowered in auto-calc, and some claim that the Ptolies get so big because the widespread Galatians they recruit, but what exactly makes the Epeirotes win all these famous battles?
Myabe Phyrrus had something to do with that?
Those markers can be from one army that got more and more experinced every battle and was so able to defeat even stronger armies every time. The Epeirotes can basicaly recruite the same units as the Maks and so there is no balance issue that might make them stronger than their rivals.
General Appo
03-27-2008, 12:25
I guess that is the most reasonable explanation. The earliest marker came from 244 and the latest 221, so yeah, it could be one army. Which really seems quite historical, as I doubt the Epeirotes would have had 4 or 5 armies in the field, as the Maks always seem to do.
244-221? Definately not phyrrus then! lol.
Then it probably is an experienced army, with a now probably experienced general.
Lol
I have no markers from them because I destroyed that faction around 266bc....
Teleklos Archelaou
03-27-2008, 15:59
Possibly it was another really highly rated general instead of Pyrrhus. Or chance.
they useually tell who who won if you leave the mouse pointer on the crossed awords marker on the map...
General Appo
03-27-2008, 20:37
Good idea. Just checked though, and apart from one guy who´d won 2 battles, it´s a different general in every single one. It is a general and not a captain though, but different generals. Must be a good army.
Just an idea, could the elephants from Ambrakia have anything to do with this? All battles have been within at most 3 turns march from Ambrakia, and by 240 the Epeirotes should have enough money to train at least a few Elephants. Don´t know if the elephants are under- or overpowered though, but it´s a theory.
Actually I think what is probably happening is a general with just one or 2 units standing next to a allied army gets attacked by a large army. The reinforcements that come from the allied army kick the attacking army's butt and the General with just a few troops gets credit for the victory. This would look like a really small force defeating a very large one and possibly allow the heroic victory thing.
Strategos Alexandros
03-27-2008, 20:48
The Epirotes could be using more phalanx than the Maks because the autocalc thinks phalanxes are brilliant.
keravnos
03-27-2008, 21:05
:beam:
As someone born and raised in Epeiros, we do have the best feta cheese in greece. This must have had something to do with what you are experiencing...
:laugh4:
Strategos Alexandros
03-27-2008, 21:09
:laugh4:
PenguinLobster
03-27-2008, 23:25
In my campaign the Epeirotes only own 3 coastal cities. They've been at war with Macedon, which owns all of greece, getai, and basically every thing from the north tip of the adriatic to crimea and south of that line and is now expanding into asia minor. Despite being completely surrounded and outmatched the Epirotes always have 2 or 3 huge armies and have yet to lose a single city in over 40 years of war.
anubis88
03-27-2008, 23:30
The Epirotes could be using more phalanx than the Maks because the autocalc thinks phalanxes are brilliant.
I thought that the phalanxes sucked in auto-calc?:inquisitive:
HAs suck in autocalc, phalanxes are superhuman.
General Appo
03-28-2008, 00:21
How do you think the Blue Death came about? Because of the Baktrians superior valour and skills? Ha, that´s likely.
Well, maybe it came off of the blue screen of death stuff. Now Baktria is just claiming its rights of being a blue screen once more.
Keravnos, can you recommend any brands or such? I have to try the Epirote feta now :)
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-28-2008, 02:27
Well, the phalanx is awsome, if the AI knew how to use it coherently the player would actually have trouble with the other successors. As it is they just prod the wall of steel in a few places and suffer mass cavalry rapage.
Beefy187
03-28-2008, 06:02
Im guessing the AIs are frightned of the sexy green beasts combined with elephants. Not my KH though.:beam:
keravnos
03-28-2008, 07:09
Keravnos, can you recommend any brands or such? I have to try the Epirote feta now :)
Well, at popular request...
http://www.igogreece.com/apFiles/Photos/moPhoto1955-FetaVACCUUMPACK1k.jpg
http://www.dodoni.eu/Home/Default.xml.aspx?Language=2
A feta, with the fiting name of "ΔΩΔΩΝΗ" aka Dodona (pronounced dodoni in modern greek) is the best. I have tried fetas from all over Greece, but it IS the very best. I kid you not, nor do I consider myself chauvinist, but most people here consider it also.
What can I say, Asterix has his magic potion, Pyrrhos and troops have their magic feta... :laugh4:
Who made the first feta cheese?
http://www.dodoni.eu/Home/Products/General/Tradition.xml.aspx?Language=2
zooeyglass
03-28-2008, 09:25
Well, at popular request...
http://www.igogreece.com/apFiles/Photos/moPhoto1955-FetaVACCUUMPACK1k.jpg
http://www.dodoni.eu/Home/Default.xml.aspx?Language=2
A feta, with the fiting name of "ΔΩΔΩΝΗ" aka Dodona (pronounced dodoni in modern greek) is the best. I have tried fetas from all over Greece, but it IS the very best. I kid you not, nor do I consider myself chauvinist, but most people here consider it also.
What can I say, Asterix has his magic potion, Pyrrhos and troops have their magic feta... :laugh4:
Who made the first feta cheese?
http://www.dodoni.eu/Home/Products/General/Tradition.xml.aspx?Language=2
so when are the epeirotes getting the new building "feta production line" or some such? i think this should be added, post-haste, to represent that that region of greece makes the best feta.
in fact, how about do away with the shrine to zeus at dodona and make it a shrine to dodona feta??
Jaywalker-Jack
03-28-2008, 15:20
Im guessing the AIs are frightned of the sexy green beasts combined with elephants.
That's probably it, both elephants and phalanxes fare well in auto-calc and Epeiros starts with both.
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