Not enough Threads

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I am getting distressed that every time i come onto this site there are only 3 or 4 new posts, and most of them are on the countless threads i have added, now either start posting more, people who are viewing the forums but havent made an account, make an account, because these forums are starting to become boring because there is nothing new, im starting to slip back into RTW, and that isnt normal!

Now can you please start making some more threads, posting a little more, posibly even inviting your friends to join the org, or i might have to convert to twcentre, and i dislike twcentre greatly....

As for newbies, i find great enjoyment in answering your queries, as atleast something new is coming to these forums, i have nothing else to do but play M2TW, RTW, so please ask away, im on most of the day everyday, apart from school and tommorrow, so please post and ask to your hearts content

[LeperKing]

It is a worrying thought that the posts are drying up. There is a thread in the Colosseum saying the same thing.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Its getting so bad i might convert to be a twcentre'er (is that right???) Ive actually started playing RTW because there are most posts going into threads explaining about that than there are here

[redriver]

Its getting so bad i might convert to be a twcentre'er (is that right???) Ive actually started playing RTW because there are most posts going into threads explaining about that than there are here

RTW is a much better and more polished work.. not to mention unique in its own right unlike the sequel MTW2 is :)

[Zim]

Well, we do have 86,000+ posts here. Could be people are running out of things to say. :clown:

I mostly hang around the throneroom. Except for some of the MP games there, I don't play vanilla much, so I don't spend a lot of time around the Citadel.

I'd imagine if that new patch is ever finished we'll see a flurry of posts here again.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Aaaah, i see redriver, i personally prefur M2TW, but RTW is truly a unique game in its own rights, i like the factions, and the units too

I can also see where you are coming from too Zim, and just about when is this new patch supposed to be released???? If not soon i dont think ill be around long enough...

[Zim]

Last I heard, they were avoiding giving a release date for the patch.

If it's really taking them this long to fix a few broken features advertised on the box the expansion is sold in, a lot of people here are going to be angry. If they're taking their time so they can address some of the other remaining issues (imbalances caused by fixing the shield bug, etc.), well, a lot of people here will still be angry and rail at CA because that's what they do, but I'll be happy. :clown:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I honestly havent had any problems with M2TW yet, i just install the patches because other people have had problems with M2TW

[Pater Familias]

And there are way more posts here than at TWcenter ... it's a ghost town over there.

[Viking]

The most active Org forums are the Miscellanous ones. :sweatdrop:

M2TW lacks the diversity of units that RTW had, so I must admit that's why I had enough of it much sooner. All the factions feels much of the same for me. Don't know if it could've been done different, oh well. :clown:

[Zim]

Some of the most obvious bugs bothered me, but I've found the game very enjoyable since the most recent patch. Others will say the game is broken, and some will insult your intelligence if you disagree.

The shield bug thing bothers me a little, since now that it has been fixed units without shields have been nerfed. Balancing the regular game the way Kingdoms has been balanced, or even just rebalancing twohanders and non shield cavalry (which tends to be the most expensive cav) would make me very happy, but I'd be ok if they just fixed some of the features for Kingdoms.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I was completely hooked on RTW when i first installed it, although so was i with M2TW, but my addiction to RTW lasted around 2 months longer than my addiction to M2TW, so yh, but if you install M2TW first, which i highly dont reccomend, then you will probably stray from RTW a little bit, i find the things much better on RTW, but the graphics and battles are greatly improved, but if you play RTW, your certain to become a veteran before you would on M2TW, the AI are simply stupid on M2TW

[Zim]

I think I was hooked on both of them for about a year or so after buying them.

Now that I've played MTW2, though, I have a lot of trouble going back to RTW. I don't care about the graphics so much, but I find the battle and diplomatic AIs much weaker in RTW, even in vanilla. With moddable diplomacy in MTW2, it's even harder for me to go back.

I'm just waiting for EB2 or a Rome era mod for MTW2. :yes:

[Viking]

Played RTW for 6 months; M2TW for about 2-3. :sweatdrop:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I find the diplomacy annoying in RTW, as i had almost crushed the gauls, they had two towns left, one with some gauls rabble in it, the other with their last general and a few other units in there, and i was camped outside with a full army outside, i wanted one of the cities and a ceasefire, i dont trust these Gauls and i was being attacked to my rear, and yet they still wouldnt accept my ceasefire, so i ended up slaughtering the lot of them :skull: Also, i find it stupid how you can keep asking them even after two tries, and most of the time they will keep declining your offers.

[Quintus.JC]

First TW game was Medieval: Total War. Thought it was a nice game but wasn’t exactly hooked. Then after installing R: TW I was completely hooked, the game was incredible. Have to say after playing MII: TW it is quite hard to go back to R: TW but I am still a big fan of R: TW and I’m still playing it these days.:yes:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

The difference in the difficulty between M2TW and RTW are overwhelming, in RTW, i though i was safe as Scipii to capture the other two towns, i was wrong, both had large garrisons, while my general had 1 group of roman archers, 1 group of hastati, and one group of those javelin throwers, while the enemy had 4 groups of militia phalanxes, 2 groups of normal phalanxes, 2 javelin throwers and a general. I then decided i would go for the Carthaginian town, whihc had a small garrison before i realised the larger army it had sent to capture the greek city. I almost killed a group of town guards, but then i retreated to my own town. The AI vastly outnumbers and outclasses you in RTW, and this was just on medium difficulty!

[Quintus.JC]

R: TW and MII: TW are very similar games but the graphics in MII is almost near perfection, you really can’t ask for much more from a turn-based game. :2thumbsup:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Yeah i suppose so, i just wish the grass wasnt so long as i like looking at the massacres my armies cause in M2TW

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah i suppose so, i just wish the grass wasnt so long as i like looking at the massacres my armies cause in M2TW

Yeah I hate that as well.

I've been inactive recently for a couple of reasons. The main one being that my PC can't get onto the internet anymore, I think a cable is damaged, and I have to wait to get onto my parents PC to get online. Another reason is I am playing through the M2TW factions to catch up with everyone else, doing a combo of short/long/domination campaigns, currently just over half way through, though I managed to do 3 short campaigns in just over a week, was really chuffed with that. Now I'm doing a long campaign, or maybe to domination, with the HRE. Bring on the Reiters.:2thumbsup:

EDIT: As for the difficulty between RTW and M2TW, I think M2TW is tougher. I only completed two campaigns in RTW (domination as Julii, short as Britannia), but the Mongols/Timurids make managing eastern factions a nightmare. You have to spend all your funds building armies to camp around Yerevan then fight a WWII war of attrition for the next sixty turns.:wall:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I dont really like eastern factions, and by that i mean i have only unlocked 1, Egypt, i was looking forward to playing these, as i have been reading many books about them and they seem like an interesting sort of people, but all of the rebel cities were garrisoned to the brim with awesome soldiers, i forgot about economy, i was nowhere near any of my old chums in italy, and the only person i got diplomacy with was Turks, and i dislike the Turks intensely...

[Rhyfelwyr]

Hmm, funnny after I said about my internet connection in the above post I came back up to my PC and noticed the little symbol said I was connected. Strange but great.:2thumbsup:

[Ramses II CP]

Find a mod you like, and forget about vanilla. I recommend Broken Crescent.

As far as Rome vs MTW2, I never bought Rome because I lost interest long before the bugs got well enough ironed out. MTW2 was right at the edge of that time frame too when 1.2 came out, and I've enjoyed the game ever since.

:egypt:

[Callahan9119]

RTW is a much better and more polished work.. not to mention unique in its own right unlike the sequel MTW2 is :)

i couldnt disagree more. in the multiplayer rome is better, and for me the only reason is i gave up waiting an hour to get on m2tw lobby... easier to get on rome and has more players because the people who are sick of trying to log into m2tw are back on rome.

i personally found it hilarious the first game i played of rome after like a year of m2tw, the men run around the field like people from the silent movie era

as far as the campaign goes i feel m2 to be far superior, its not even close to me. it is as others have pointed out though...rome has more diverse units and factions but that is a virtue of its era, and that lack of that diversity shouldnt be held against m2..they did well with what they had...and modders have made it really good

but on the main topic, the org is much friendlier than twc, but twc has more action. just the stainless steel forum is more active than the m2tw citadel it seems...but there is more riff-raff

[pevergreen]

2 options insane:

stop spamming (please!)
lurk the frontroom and play in the gameroom.

Capo had 1 post every 6 minutes for about 4 days.

Its a great way to spend your time.

Basically, expand your focus, post in more areas yourself. Engage in debates in the backroom or something.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Sorry could i have a link to that, and i do post elsewhere! Ill have you know ive been recently posting in the guides, new members and citadel sections, thank you very much!

[St.Jimmy]

Hi all. After reading your rant i thought id register.

Iv been browsing this forum since MTW. Some really useful guides here that have helped me out alot. Keep up the good work. :2thumbsup:

[Gaius Terentius Varro]

There is a difference between posting and posting to increase your post count.

[Gaiseric]

Hi,

I game alot but I go through spurts with my games. I am always drawn back to tw games because of their immense replayability. I like all the choices I can make on the stratigic map and all the control I have over battles. I like the unique factions and units that I have to fight to conquer the world.

One problem I have though is that as my empire expands the difficulty level drops. At this point there are still plenty of AI stacks to defeat, but the battles become less crucial, my troops become replaceable and expendable, population control is a mess, my generals traits no longer matter as much, and everything that was once fun, now becomes time-consuming and annoying.


These are the game breakers for me and will probably be the reason I lose intrest in about two months. But, untill then, I'll probably post a few threads, and reply to a few more. Cya on the boards:smash:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

As i said in my other thread, gaiseric, i also get bored as the game continues, i like to have a nice clean green population, each city garrisoned with enough units to keep the population happy, but the problem is i cant burn Edinburgh as the Scots, so that always ends up in a mess :laugh4: I dont even think i have went to the americas in M2TW, the original, i get that bored, i always decide to do another campaign when i am halfway through one campaign...

Thanks for registering St.Jimmy, its always nice to have someone new in the org, i can see over 100 people browsing in the 'Who's Online' list, i dont see why they dont just create an account so they can post here. Its always nice to see some new faces (picture faces, that is) here at the org...

[St.Jimmy]

I Agree Insane. Iv never completed a long campaign on M2TW. Or been to America. I was determind to do it this time with the English but im already looking for a new faction to start with.:embarassed:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I just bought Kingdoms yesterday, i cant even get through the first 5 turns with any faction in Brittania without my economy going down, i started to play as Ireland, my Scandanavian campaign hadnt gone very well, and i lloked at the unit the had originally been camped there, to find it had grown by 5 times the size of the original garrison. I find this very stupid, as how do they got more troops than me??? Why is this so unfair!

[phonicsmonkey]

you have brains, the AI has money and troops

that's how the playing field is levelled

as for no new threads, I have to admit I have pretty much run out of things to say about M2TW single-player

now if I play SP I play a mod like Broken Crescent (or EB for RTW)

and I spend all of my time in the Throne Room talking about hotseats

hotseats are the way forward! the current BC hotseat (which I started :2thumbsup: ) is my all-time favourite gaming experience, and that includes my years playing table-top wargames and RPGs

[Galain_Ironhide]

I am getting distressed that every time i come onto this site there are only 3 or 4 new posts, and most of them are on the countless threads i have added, now either start posting more, people who are viewing the forums but havent made an account, make an account, because these forums are starting to become boring because there is nothing new, im starting to slip back into RTW, and that isnt normal!

Now can you please start making some more threads, posting a little more, posibly even inviting your friends to join the org, or i might have to convert to twcentre, and i dislike twcentre greatly....

As for newbies, i find great enjoyment in answering your queries, as atleast something new is coming to these forums, i have nothing else to do but play M2TW, RTW, so please ask away, im on most of the day everyday, apart from school and tommorrow, so please post and ask to your hearts content

The game is no longer new, not as many people are playing any more and the variety of posts as a result is drying up. Nature of the beast really, especially if you look at the MTW and RTW chat rooms.

A shame I know, because I take a look at the Citadel probably at least 8-10 times a day. It will have its busy periods though.

Also it is great to see quite a few new members sign up recently. Welcome to all! ~:wave:

[Ratwar]

Also it is great to see quite a few new members sign up recently. Welcome to all! ~:wave:

Wow, a welcome, I'm not sure how to deal with that on the internet ;).

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Youll find many welcomes in the enterance hall (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=28)
Thanks for signing up, always nice to see some new faces around here!

[PBI]

I think the late-game becoming absurdly easy and descending into tedious micromanagement is a general problem that I've found in all the TW games, and for that matter every similar strategy game I can think of. It's kind of unavoidable, since as all factions start with a roughly level playing field, your advantage inevitably increases as you expand to the point where your empire becomes unstoppable. RTW and M2TW try to offset this somewhat by having the Roman Civil War and the Mongol and Timurid invasions, respectively. The problem is that much of the interesting stuff in M2TW isn't available until the late game, by which time you're already bored. I've offset this slightly in my current modded version by giving every faction a fully-upgraded citadel and huge city. Fighting an army of spammed Spanish Dragoons at least makes a change from spammed militia.

As for the number of threads, I would agree that there really only is so much to say about the singleplayer game, especially since I don't think we're really supposed to discuss mods and modding here (although that seems to be mostly all I end up talking about here :oops:). But I would say that I prefer it when there are just a few threads with good, long, interesting discussions than when there are hundreds with just a couple of one-line questions and answers.

[CynicalP]

Been lurking on these boards for quite a while. I been reading these boards since Shogun warlords edition ( off and on ). So I figured WTH give a shout out to the good folks here at Totalwar.org.

Just started to playing MTW2 and already abandoned the vanilla campaign to play the Lands to Conquer 3.1 mod. Once again I find myself addicted to yet another total war game.

Per Insane834's request, I'm slinking out of the shadows to offer a salute and extend a hello to all the resident posters!

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Greetings CynicalP, we are not worthy of thee...

I just tend to get bored when other empires stop my advance, and then bleed both empires dry... Also i hate it when they ally with one of your personal allies, like my enemy England allied with Spain, and launched a series of assasults on Angers

[Martok]

Welcome to the Org, CynicalP. Glad to have you here. ~:wave:


Poor Bloody Infantry has a valid point. A lot of epic strategy games (Total War, Galactic Civilizations, etc.) have the same problem where the late-game phase becomes tedious and/or boring, simply by virtue of the fact that you've often reached "critical mass" by that point where you can no longer really be stopped. It's one reason that I'm grateful that a lot of these games have come to include lesser victory conditions that don't require you to conquer the entire map. I can almost never make myself get the 100% victory -- I simply lack the patience more often that not. :sweatdrop:

[Gaiseric]

I agree with Martok and Poor Bloody Infantry.

Most strategy games do have setbacks when world conquest is concerned. It's fun to get big and fight for your survival, but once your too big, you become unstopable. Basically its fun to have a challange not a cake walk. At least mtw2 adds the mongol and timurid invasions. Distance to capital penalty, and religious differances also play a part to increase the late game challange.:knight:

It would be nice if rebels were active and related to these penalties. This would seem to add to the challange of maintaining a large empire, but maybe it would just add more unwanted micromanagement. The problem in mtw2 is not so much the lack of challange as it is the scope of world conquest, which can be a very long task. Its made longer for me because I don't use auto-calc for battles. In most of my late games, there are still battles to be won, lands to be conquered. I just don't have the time to do it all.:sweatdrop:

Lack of time, lack of intrest, lack of challange, and game frustations, are the reasons I have never completed a campaign. They are the same reasons I abandon my campaign, the game, and these forums. I get bored with other games too, and thats why I am back into mtw2 trying to finish a campaign by conquering the world.:surrender2:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I agree, i prefur to weak and on the verge of destruction, than conquering everything in sight, killing everyone, it does get a little tedious.

[CynicalP]

Thanks for the welcome.

I havent play Rome and I only halfway through my first grand campaign in MTW2 but I played many games of MTW/vikings and shogun and I didn't mind their end game experience that much. Nothing like the tedious end game grind of Civilization where half of hour is spent managing polution/barbarian invasions/tons of city production queues. Civilization is a mirco managers wet dream!

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

Ive seen that in the shops, just looks like a Caesar game to me, just organising cities and samll armies, nothing like the true conquest of M2TW!

[CynicalP]

Civilization is a very addicting game, and very much like the empire building game similiar to total war series except there is no real time component. Howeve,r most folks who are fans of RTS games find the gameplay of Civ little slow and boring. Since I am old fart I was weened on turn based strategy games so I love those types of games.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I agree with that accusation, however empire building games can be interesting, if it is simular to Caesar, i got addicted to that game, playing the same map for over 7 hours solid

[CynicalP]

LOL, I can't remember if I played Ceasar I or II, But I choose the maps with the military conflicts. I used to wall up the sides of the screen to slow down Hannibals elephants so I could get my armies in place to meet them.
I think I stopped at the final map. I couldn't produce enough luxary areas or something to complete it and I just became bored with the game. Haven't touch another city builder game since.

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I had a city with 'slums' on my file, i didnt likea wierd questor level, in a desert, i demolished my whole town becuase i couldnt get the food to the people and the houses were all little huts... very annoying. Also pottery is impossible to get a hold of in Questor, i had to stop selling Weaponry and that was my most valuable source of income

[Martok]

In the interests of full disclosure, I will admit I do tend play through the late-game in Shogun Total War. It feels more realistic to do so, since your goal (after all) is to unite Japan. With most games it doesn't feel right, though -- conquering all of Europe just doesn't seem like a feasible (or even desirable) goal. :juggle2:

[Rhyfelwyr]

In the interests of full disclosure, I will admit I do tend play through the late-game in Shogun Total War. It feels more realistic to do so, since your goal (after all) is to unite Japan. With most games it doesn't feel right, though -- conquering all of Europe just doesn't seem like a feasible (or even desirable) goal. :juggle2:

It felt OK as the Romans in RTW, but I agree on the whole, I now own 80-something provinces as the HRE and am fighting a war of attrition against the Timurids and the Mongols who managed for once to established themselves. It just doesn't feel realistic at all. I'm just sticking it out to see Reiters and Serpentines in the New World.

[PBI]

I suppose that's why the long campaign goals are only to acquire 40ish provinces out of the total 108. Maybe it would be a bit more sensible to conquer the whole map if other factions were more willing to become vassals once you are the pre-eminent power, even if they hate you. That way you could amass a huge empire on paper without actually having to physically conquer such a huge expanse. As I understand it this was how most empires were built.

[CynicalP]

That would definately be not only more realistic but less tedious to manage as well.

[Andres]

Not enough Threads?

There's not a problem Andres can't fix... ~:pimp:

:drummer: Badabing!

:7wizard:

Et voilà:

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/threads.jpg
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you, thank you! :bow:

And before I grab my coat: a warm welcome to our newest junior members ~:wave:

:creep: :whip:

[Mek Simmur al Ragaski]

I thought you actually had a solution not a picture of threads... lol, well tell me if you do!

[Pater Familias]

With most games it doesn't feel right, though -- conquering all of Europe just doesn't seem like a feasible (or even desirable) goal. :juggle2:

I often don't finish games where it's a matter of grinding through 25 or even 50 more turns to get to the requisite number of territories. The payoff screens in TW aren't as compelling as in Civ (full replay, Hall of Fame, etc.) so it doesn't seem as worth it.

My last game, though, I quit about 1/3 of the way through. As Sicily, I had built a vast trade network, had taken all of North Africa from the Moors and all of Northern Italy except Venice. I had a defensive wall along the Alps and a cadre of assassins (hey, it is Sicily ... and I had a Master Assassins' Guild) to ensure nobody took down any of my merchants.

I had made peace with everyone left alive (in an effort to isolate the Moors, mainly). I was the Pope's favorite (and owned over half of the college of cardinals) and had even made a lasting peace w/ Egypt after taking Alexandria in a crusade.

It was so nicely balanced a scenario and I had worked so hard to establish all the diplomatic efforts I just couldn't bring myself to throw it away by rubbing out faction after faction. Given the massive financial lead I had, nobody was ever going to catch me anyway, so in that alternative history, the Pax Sicilianum will last forever.

Although if I was going to crush somebody, I was going to start w/ those annoying little Portuguese, who kept invading Corsica, then running away when they saw how big a stack I had there ...

[Quickening]

Got to agree with the majority here in that the endgame of Total War tends to be very dull. Not only that, but there is so much more to keep track of and I find that if Im deep into a campaign and I leave it for a day or two then when I get back Ive lost the "feel" for it and want to start again.
Martok mentioned Gal Civ 2, at least in that game you have mega events to turn the Galaxy on it's head. Not really an option in the Total War series unless you want to totally throw history to the dogs.
This is one of the many reasons I really love the Kingdoms expansion. Just nice little mini campaigns and it also feels more believable than say, conquering all of Europe as Sicily.

As for Rome versus Med 2, it's a tough one. In fact today I was switching between Rome and Med 2 Kingdoms. For me Rome has a far more epic feel thanks in a large part to the presense of Rome itself and the music. It is also the far more polished game. However Med 2 is basically Rome + in Medieval times which is just awesome.
I just can't decide. Ive got no interest in the time period or the planned features in Empire so I'll be playing Rome and Med 2 for a long time to come yet.

[Gaiseric]

I liked RTW battles better than MTW2. In rtw units tended to stay in formation and not go blindly charging, and get spread out across half the map. World conquest was not as fun for me in rtw, however, unless I played a civilized nation with better building options. Spreading barbarian culture and squalor didn't appeal to me. It's more fun to play the barbarions defensivly and fend off attacks from armoured and disaplined troops.:viking:

Micromanagement is one of the reasons I am attracted to strategy games. I like to improve my empire and economy. The TW Series are the best strategy games in terms of letting me defend the factions, empires, and economies that I develop. In similar strategy games, all my time spent on micromanagement can be lost in a dice roll. I gave up the Civ series because I cant control the defense of my cities. Too much micromangement and not enough control.:no:

Still, there are many things in mtw2, that drive me nuts because I don't have control over them. Controling population/squalor, generals traits, diplomacy, naval battles, agent sucess chances, rebels, etc.:wall:

I hope that Empires allows more economic options. Then instead of world conquest, my game goals could be to become self sufficient and just defend my boarders from the enemy. I could use diplamacy(warscore) to bring peace instead of having to invade and elimanante all my neighbors. Its much more fun to stay small and fight off larger enemies, then to be large and fight smaller enemies. :chucks:

[Rhyfelwyr]

I just tonight finished playing to domination (112 regions) as the HRE. And I have to say, it was horifically dull by the end. The Timurids flung armies at Bulgar, my Fortress, and I fought them the first couple of times and defeated them comfortably, but after that I resorted to using 'auto_win defender', something I've never done before, because I just couldn't take fighting them turn after turn (auto resolve didn't give fair results). I kept going to fight the Aztecs and test my Reiters on them, which proved to be an enjoyable experiment. If if wasn't for the Americas I would have won 40 turns ago, having owned all of the Old World for quite a while.

[Iñnsomñni]

Although i agree with you Gaiseric, i believe people are putting their expectations too high for Empires, they cant take into consideration everybodys wants, they will just throw in a few things to keep us happy, and i dont think that Empires will greatly vary from the exsisting TW series, i think it will be relatively the same, with only a few tweaks

[Gaiseric]

@Caledonian Rhyfelwyr: Congrats on the World Conquest!!!


Iñnsomñni
Although i agree with you Gaiseric, i believe people are putting their expectations too high for Empires, they cant take into consideration everybodys wants, they will just throw in a few things to keep us happy, and i dont think that Empires will greatly vary from the exsisting TW series, i think it will be relatively the same, with only a few tweaks

Thats too bad. I will probably still buy it though the day it gets released. I can sit here and complain about the tw series, but, of all my games, its the tw series that have given me the most enjoyment for the amount of time I spend playing them. When I get bored/frustrated with empires I can wait for a patch or play a mod.

[Iñnsomñni]

Ok, i will probably buy empires too, although i dont think they will add very much that the people on these forums are asking for, still the TW series have been great so far, so i might as well see what the next series is like, especially if the new game has improved graphics and gameplay too. I wish they would just change the turns to years, its very stupid that they have it in turns, makes its sound like a board game

[Philbert]

When this forum doesn't have enough thread, I always look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsJ19sy3JI)

[Bravedude]

When this forum doesn't have enough thread, I always look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsJ19sy3JI)

I'm never gonna give you up TW fans. I'm never gonna let you guys down. I will never run around, and desert this forum. I'm never gonna make you guys cry. I will never say good bye. I will never tell you a lie.

I think Philbert agrees with me.