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blackfire83
09-24-2002, 19:20
Hey again guys,
Firstly, thanks to all those who helped me overcome my hesitation and lack of confidence. As the Byzantines, I smoked the Egyptians in just about 10 years, and then beat down the Turkish who betrayed me. Anyway, thanks to those guys who encouraged me, I'm having a great time.
A couple questions that I've looked for in the manual, but have found nothing:
1) I know what Influence, Dread, Piety and Command are useful for for the Faction Leader, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what Acumen does. You can't make governors of Faction Leaders or Princes, so what does it matter what their Acumen is? Is it totally irrelevant for Faction Leaders and their sons?
2) This one is a bit... stupider... How is it that you get spies to cause revolts in enemy provinces? Do you merely drop the spy onto the ground of the province and just leave them there, or do you actually have to initiate some kind of 'mission' like with assassination and such?
Thanks ahead of time for the help, everyone. This is a great game, and it's got a great following of fans on this board. I've learned a lot and expect to learn much more as I play the game and keep caught up on the boards. Thanks all!
-blackfire83
Rosacrux
09-24-2002, 19:23
As for the first question goes, I am kinda confused myself. About the second, try dropping half a dozen (better: even more) spies on a not-defended-by-hordes province and watch those huge gray stacks errupt.
And, no, there is no certain action required to ignite a revolt, just drop them in there.
blackfire83
09-24-2002, 19:29
Rosecrux, thanks for the tip about spies. That is what I had figured, but didn't experiment enough to see if it actually worked. Thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
As for the first question, if you ever figure it out, give me a hollar. Heh. It would be nice to increase my economy in some way because of a Prince of Faction Leader with high Acumen. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
-blackfire83
blackfire83
09-24-2002, 19:33
Oopsie. Accidental double post. :/
-blackfire83
[This message has been edited by blackfire83 (edited 09-24-2002).]
acumen is useless for princes, as you said they don't get titles
BUT
- when one become king, I supose his acumen as king as an impact on the economy, and the higher the better (I was surprised to see the impact of a good governor on florin generation, with a 4 or 5 acumen I get at leat +15%, which is huge over the course of 300 years)
- when somebody else becomes king, they loose their prince status and can become normal governors with titles
Acumen effects how much money that man will make if he is made governor of a province.
Princes have acumen ratings because if the king dies and they are not in line for the throne next, they become standard generals, capable of being given titles.
To increase the money of a pronvince, make the governor of the province a general with 4+ acumen and make sure his unit stays in that province. See the income go up.
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It's getting warm in here...that must be one hell of an INFERNO!
I also wonder about my king's and prince's stats and how they affect the game, apart from command, valor and loyalty (the last for princes, they can rebel, right)?
Does a dreadful king make the nearby provinces more loyal? Huh?
What about acumen? How does it help to have an economic genious as a prince or a king? I can see how it would help in the real world but in the game?
Of course the princes turn to generals at some point and THEN you can use the acumen
[This message has been edited by Ligur (edited 09-24-2002).]
blackfire83
09-24-2002, 19:48
Thanks for the replies, all. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
So basically, a King's Acumen is useless, but any Prince who might potentially become a normal general later on, is useful. Seems kinda weird to me that the King, and his oldest son's, Acumen don't really count, but his younger sons' acumen is very important. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Ligur, I don't believe Princes can rebel. I'm pretty sure that's stated in the manual.
-blackfire83
Quote Originally posted by blackfire83:
Thanks for the replies, all. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Ligur, I don't believe Princes can rebel. I'm pretty sure that's stated in the manual.
-blackfire83[/QUOTE]
Really? Only generals? Okay, I believe you... I'm still stupified by the myriad details in the game and get confused all the time.
Umm, Princes DO rebel after they become just generals, though, right?
oZoNeLaYeR
09-24-2002, 20:33
Acumen is very important imo, i played as sicilian, built up my trade empire. sicily earned more than 4400 flo/year, with a 10 Acumen general. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
[This message has been edited by oZoNeLaYeR (edited 09-24-2002).]
lancer63
10-10-2002, 05:27
In my short experience with MTW I have noticed that you can have a geneal or prince with high acumen which is not a gov. or chancellor or king, but still influence province production.
I had a passed up Elmo prince in Granada who started out as coward and master of numbers. He never went to war, nor was he made gov. or anything, and tbh I forgot all about him for like 75 years, after which I checked on him an he was a builder, steward, envy, and drunkard, plus the original v&v's. So I guess your generals acumen do influence production.
Perec_Dojo
10-10-2002, 05:36
The King's acumen score affects all provinces in the empire (though to a lesser extent than a governor's affects his province). Likewise dread affects loyalty, as does piety.
Also, regardless of the manual, Princes can and will rebel, so watch out. I have had several royal ringleaders in civil wars.
lancer, did he have any governors in his stack? Did they get any v&vs? I have noticed that sometimes the commanding general gets the v&vs that should be attributed to the governoros located in the army he's commanding. I'd say it's a bug, but it might be a feature (taking credit for the work of his subordinates)?
Yoko Kono
10-10-2002, 20:31
hrvojej
this happens to me too but only when the general is of higher command rating than the governor
does the game automatically instigate a type of marshall law or something?
lancer63
10-10-2002, 21:05
Yes Hrvojej, the prince was with a governor of lesser acumen and they stayed together along with other 3 generals of no consecuence for a long time.
Nice to know your King´s acumen influences the overall perfomance of your provinces. I´ll begin to kill all my moronic heirs. Does valor or comand affect the same way?
Where are you located in WV Blackfire, I'm around the Charleston area.
blackfire83
10-10-2002, 22:09
Yes, thanks for the replies. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Terrax, I live in the Eastern Panhandle, way up by Maryland. I used to go to college in Montgomery (WVU Tech, about 30 minutes east of Charleston), so I've been in that area.
-blackfire83
blackfire83
10-12-2002, 11:28
One last ailing post of mine that deserves the axe. Close 'er up, mods. She's done her job. Hope this helps a little. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
-blackfire83
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