The Malvinas Conflict

[Caius]

Yes, another year in the conflict Argentina - Great Britain.

At 26 years of this conflict, we STILL demand like idiots that the MAlvinas must be ours, as they FORM part of Argentina.

But lets remember those who died in combat, and not fight for it. Just give us back the island and everything will be fine.

[Pannonian]

"Accept that your illusory independence is at an end. A future as a client kingdom under our protection is your destiny."

"Your empty threats do not worry us. We will take our chances."

[Caius]

"Our freedom is a precious thing, and we do not give up so easily"

[LeftEyeNine]

*opens the windows for fresh air*

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Would one of you two please provide some sort of topic other than "Give us the Maldives/Falklands now after we unsuccessfully attacked them in the 80's!!!"

It'd be nice to have somewhere to go with this other than the usual "It's up to the inhabitants of the Maldives who may or may not care which country they belong to" but I'm not really up on the situation as it's not a major issue lately. So far as I know anyway.

Has anything changed? Any stories you can link us to that would help spur discussion?

[LittleGrizzly]

Gordon Brown isn't too popular at the moment, maybe a war over some small inconsequential bit of land is just what we need!

[Caius]

Its Malvinas, not Maldivas.

Well, not much is going on. We still claim them, but GB won't give them. I wonder if I have to go to war to recapture them. I'm not saying that would be possible now, we have our own problems to solve right now.

[CountArach]

Gordon Brown isn't too popular at the moment, maybe a war over some small inconsequential bit of land is just what we need!
Haha, it certainly worked for Blair. :2thumbsup:

[spmetla]

What about the people of the Falkland islands, from what I understand they want to remain with Britain, why should they have to change nationality because the Argentinians/Spanish had a settlement there some 170 years ago. I know that because of the potential underwater resources that these islands have become possibly more valuable than previously thought.

And why a war over them? Though the Royal Navy has unfortunately taken a lot of cuts in the last few years they are still a potent force. A number of years down the road they'll have two large Queen Elizabeth class carriers as well which would give them the strike potential the US has. That and do you think Bush and friends would allow an attack on Britain without giving them support either directly or indirectly? Why the bloodshed over these islands merely because they are near Argentina?

[Brenus]

"they are near Argentina": Near? Look at a map... It is as near than the Orcades to France... Argentina has no valid claim on the Island just because it belong to the same Continental Plateau... They could probably claim Panama with this kind of claim...:beam:

[Papewaio]

Gordon Brown isn't too popular at the moment, maybe a war over some small inconsequential bit of land is just what we need!

Tasmania perhaps?

[CountArach]

Tasmania perhaps?
They can have it.

[Ja'chyra]

First of all it's the Falkland Isles, and as far as I can see Argentina can complain and claim whatever they want but if the government handed them over they would be voted out at the next election, if not sooner. Not much chance of that then.

So, yes, I think you will need to fight for them, and we all know which way that'll go.

[Geoffrey S]

Don't think a result will be as clear-cut as last time. Brown is weak in the UK, anti-war sentiments are stronger than ever, and I doubt the UK armed forces can spare the effort right now. Now is as 'good' a time as ever.

[Husar]

*opens the windows for fresh air*
*thinks about Cyprus and opens the other window as well* ~;)

[Ronin]

start polishing up those exocets and let´s go at it again....Sky News and CNN are running out of images of stuff blowing up

[Riedquat]

Yes, another year in the conflict Argentina - Great Britain.

At 26 years of this conflict, we STILL demand like idiots that the MAlvinas must be ours, as they FORM part of Argentina.

But lets remember those who died in combat, and not fight for it. Just give us back the island and everything will be fine.

You really want the Malvinas back? Can I ask what for? Are you going to live there?

I'm really sorry but you said it "we Still demand like IDIOTS", if Falklands where Argentinian they aren't anymore; we were tempted to declare a war and we did; now we and our future generations must learn to deal with the consequences of our stupid acts.


Its Malvinas, not Maldivas.

If we are claiming something over Maldivas I'm all for it!!


I wonder if I have to go to war to recapture them. I'm not saying that would be possible now, we have our own problems to solve right now.

Dude, I really wonder if we live in the same country, we have problems to solve in the next ten centuries at least. War? without army/ships/planes/submarines/weaponry? Are we going to send our veterans, the same we spit in the face when Malvinas/Falklands conflict ended?

Did you know somebody who has been there during the conflict? Go speak with some veterans first before speaking of war.:skull:

[Conradus]

"they are near Argentina": Near? Look at a map... It is as near than the Orcades to France... Argentina has no valid claim on the Island just because it belong to the same Continental Plateau... They could probably claim Panama with this kind of claim...:beam:

France could claim Britain with such a claim:stupido:

[InsaneApache]

Did you know somebody who has been there during the conflict? Go speak with some veterans first before speaking of war.

Well said that man. :bow:

In the early 80s I worked alongside a guy who had helped liberate the islands from the Argentine warmongers, he had a funny look in his eyes and not a pleasant one either.

[drone]

Settle it on the pitch. Best team from the combined UK associations v Argentina. And you Brits better pray it doesn't go to penalties. :bounce:

[Kralizec]

Caius...why do you even care?

Honestly, I'm wondering.

[Riedquat]

Caius...why do you even care?

Honestly, I'm wondering.

I can't answer for him but I guess he cares because a wrong sense of patriotism like the 70% of my countrymen, not their fault of course, generation after generation we have been educated with the same values where brits are evil; two years before the Falkland conflict nobody here know of the existence of the islands. Heck! nobody knows about anything! Our worst enemy was in charge at that moment but we were afraid of the brits in some remote islands that we didn't know.

[Caius]

Lol, brits are devil. And yes, I'm patriotic. Sadly, we are patriotic when Argentina plays some remote football match.

[MilesGregarius]

Settle the issue once and for all: give the Falklands/Malvinas to Kosovo.

[Geoffrey S]

Lol, brits are devil. And yes, I'm patriotic. Sadly, we are patriotic when Argentina plays some remote football match.
You're patriotic if you want other people to die over some remote little islands nobody really cares about?

[Banquo's Ghost]

You're patriotic if you want other people to die over some remote little islands nobody really cares about?

Isn't that a beautifully succinct summary of most nationalist folly?

:bow:

[Furious Mental]

You can't invade Tasmania, we need it for nuclear testing.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You can't invade Tasmania, we need it for nuclear testing.All Pacific islands fit for nuclear testing are ours! :furious3:

* declares the rightful return of Tasmania from the wretched claws of the British a core value of French patriotism *

[Adrian II]

All Pacific islands fit for nuclear testing are ours! :furious3:

* declares the rightful return of Tasmania from the wretched claws of the British a core value of French patriotism *Tasmania is in the Antarctic Ocean. :juggle2:

[InsaneApache]

Tasmania is in the Antarctic Ocean. :juggle2:

Indian Ocean. :juggle2: :laugh4:

[Caius]

Tasmania? It's in the old cartoons, you know.

[Adrian II]

Indian Ocean. :juggle2: :laugh4:Dang.. :idea2: :laugh4:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I do hope this is all some big joke, and if it is it's a poor one.

If not, you go fight for them yourself.

[Viking]

Settle the issue once and for all: give the Falklands/Malvinas to Kosovo.


I think we should just put it on sale on Ebay - after all no one seem to care about the innhabitants. :juggle2:

[InsaneApache]

Maybe we should put Hordaland, Norway, on Ebay, after all nobody cares what happens there.

[Big_John]

so which band is going to write the sequel to get your filthy hands of my desert?

♫♫ "fernández took the union jack!" ♫♫

[CountArach]

You can't invade Tasmania, we need it for nuclear testing.
Well I assumed that's what all of these other countries wanted it for. As long as there isn't much of Tasmania left (Except Bob Brown and all Bob Brown supporters) when the nuclear testing is through, I will think the trade-off will be worth it. In fact, we win - because they have to keep Tasmania...

[Viking]

Maybe we should put Hordaland, Norway, on Ebay, after all nobody cares what happens there.

Not sure where you're going with that one. :inquisitive:

[LeftEyeNine]

Not sure where you're going with that one. :inquisitive:

I agree with IA's statement of "relativity".

[Viking]

I agree with IA's statement of "relativity".


I think that what really matters in this conflict, is the inhabitants of the FI, and not national pride. Let the FI decide.

[LeftEyeNine]

I think we should just put it on sale on Ebay - after all no one seem to care about the innhabitants. :juggle2:

I think that had sounded like ":daisy: Falkland Islands anyway. Who cares ?" and that's why "We'd not care about Hordaland, Norway either."

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Hmmm, yes. The Islanders are British, they should not be ruled by a foreign power. Not to mention they're quite happy as is, thankyou very much.

[KukriKhan]

Do the islanders have internet? Someone should invite one of them here to give their side of the story.

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seems they do (http://www.visitorfalklands.com/content/view/80/121/)

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According to this document (http://www.falklands.gov.fk/international-relations.php)


In May 1999 the British Government, at the request of the Falkland Islands Councillors, initiated talks with Argentina to further aid co-operation over areas such as conservation of fish stocks and mineral resources. A Joint Statement, formally witnessed by two Falkland Islands Councillors, was signed in July 1999.

The Statement also provided for the resumption of flights from South America, including stopovers in Argentina and for the admission of Argentine passport holders to the Falkland Islands. Items can be summarised as follows:
Enhanced co-operation between the Falkland Islands and Argentina on fisheries, conservation and a co-ordinated programme to tackle poaching.


A review by the Argentine Government on the Argentine place names for Falkland Island locations, imposed under decree by General Galtieri.


The entry of Argentine citizens with an Argentine passport to the Islands, so ending the ban introduced in 1982.¹


The resumption of the weekly flight between Chile and the Falkland Islands suspended in March 1999 by the Chilean Government following the arrest of General Pinochet in the UK. The service makes two stops per month (one each way) in Rio Gallegos, Argentina.


A memorial to Argentine servicemen who lost their lives in 1982 to be erected in the Islands at the Argentine cemetery.²


Co-operation between the UK and Argentine Governments on the clearing of landmines.


the islanders are all for mutual cooperation between themselves, the UK and their neighbors in the region. I see no budding conflict there; rather: moves to resolve or prevent conflict.