The Pregnant Man

[ICantSpellDawg]

This is such BS - why are people calling her a man? Why are they calling her girlfriend a wife?

The only thing that happened is she underwent a breast removal and received hormone shots. She is a woman with no breasts ad more pronounced facial hair.
She kept her female genital organs.

It's such bunk - we haven't gotten to the point where women can transform into men or vice versa yet, why jump the gun and say things that are untrue?

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm)

[HoreTore]

Huh?

[Adrian II]

Huh?April 1st, no doubt.

[ICantSpellDawg]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm

It's an absurd Hullaballoo in the States. The media is playing it up, even though it is just an intentionally deformed woman having a baby.

[HoreTore]

Oprah, eh?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Oprah, eh?

Not just Oprah - everywhere. Our media is a retarded freak show.

[Sigurd]

It says in my newspaper that she (he) was on the Oprah Winfrey show yesterday (April 3rd).
Doubt it is a joke.

Besides she (he) was inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank and hence it is not a hermaphroditic reproduction like we were led to believe.

I don’t know… I am not that open-minded when it comes to sex roles.
Now… if you cut your breasts away, who shall wet nurse this child? Or do you not do this anymore in this time and age?

Another point: What will all this hormone treatment do to this child?

[Mikeus Caesar]

Quite obviously not a man, nor ever will be.

Think about, what man in their right mind would want a child? At least women have a bit of elasticity in them, but us...i don't even want to think about it.

[ICantSpellDawg]

It says in my newspaper that she (he) was on the Oprah Winfrey show yesterday (April 3rd).
Doubt it is a joke.

Besides she (he) was inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank and hence it is not a hermaphroditic reproduction like we were led to believe.

I don’t know… I am not that open-minded when it comes to sex roles.
Now… if you cut your breasts away, who shall wet nurse this child? Or do you not do this anymore in this time and age?

I'm glad to hear you say that. Just because someone can have their breasts removed and inject themselves with a hormone, doesn't mean their sex changes.

I'm not saying that it wont be possible in the future, but right now it is just taking costumes to the next level.

This is an example of "so open minded that our brains have fallen out"

[Sigurd]

Quite obviously not a man, nor ever will be.

Think about, what man in their right mind would want a child? At least women have a bit of elasticity in them, but us...i don't even want to think about it.
Rephrase that to: What man would want to give birth to a child? A man wants offspring as much as women.

I believe this is a publicity stunt to get some extra $ ... Why else weren't the woman with breasts the one inseminated? (assuming she can get pregnant).
I know I will sound like a chauvinist but - I you want to be a man, then act like one. The woman gives birth to children. This is the way we are designed.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Rephrase that to: What man would want to give birth to a child? A man wants offspring as much as women.

I belive this is a publicity stunt to get some extra $ ... Why else were'nt the woman with breasts the one inseminated? (assuming she can get pregnant).

Phase 1: Remove Breasts

Phase 2: Become Artificially Inseminated

Phase 4: Profit

[HoreTore]

I'm glad to hear you say that. Just because someone can have their breasts removed and inject themselves with a hormone, doesn't mean their sex changes.

I'm not saying that it wont be possible in the future, but right now it is just taking costumes to the next level.

This is an example of "so open minded that our brains have fallen out"

So.... what's your solution then? Forced abortion? Sounds jolly.

[ICantSpellDawg]

What? No - she is a woman having a child. Why would I ever call for a forced abortion? Wouldn't I be one of the last on this forum to call for a forced abortion?

[HoreTore]

What? No - she is a woman having a child. Why would I ever call for a forced abortion? Wouldn't I be one of the last on this forum to call for a forced abortion?

So you just have a problem with he/she/it calling himself a man?

Why on earth should we(as in 'society') care about what people call themselves...? Honestly, how can that matter to us?

[ICantSpellDawg]

So you just have a problem with he/she/it calling himself a man?

Why on earth should we(as in 'society') care about what people call themselves...? Honestly, how can that matter to us?

It flies in the face of sense. She can call herself whatever she'd like, but responsible journalists should try to use a standard; Such as being a man or a woman based on biological function. Even a hermaphrodite could be considered a he/she, but this is clear cut.

[HoreTore]

It flies in the face of sense. She can call herself whatever she'd like, but responsible journalists should try to use a standard; Such as being a man or a woman based on biological function. Even a hermaphrodite could be considered a he/she, but this is clear cut.

So what? What's the big deal?

It isn't exactly a sign of the coming apocalypse, you know...

[drone]

Judith: Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.
Reg: What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
First thing that popped into my head when I heard about this...

[ICantSpellDawg]

So what? What's the big deal?

It isn't exactly a sign of the coming apocalypse, you know...

It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

Especially when it is glaringly obvious.

[Ronin]

It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

Especially when it is glaringly obvious.

no one is questioning that it is obvious that this is a woman we are talking about here....while she has XY cromossomes she´s a woman no matter what she does to her body...

what I think people are questioning is the need to get so riled up about it....the media says a lot of stupid stuff...specially when it comes to fluff pieces like this...so what?

[Sigurd]

no one is questioning that it is obvious that this is a woman we are talking about here....while she has XY cromossomes she´s a woman no matter what she does to her body...

what I think people are questioning is the need to get so riled up about it....the media says a lot of stupid stuff...specially when it comes to fluff pieces like this...so what?

I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
I was like: WTF!!!!!?
Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
I was like :furious3:... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing. :thumbsdown:

[ICantSpellDawg]

I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
I was like: WTF!!!!!?
Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
I was like :furious3:... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing. :thumbsdown:

Right - This isn't earth shattering, but it seems to be an attempt to mislead the American public by the media. When the media misleads about one thing, it calls other things into question.

I stand by my feeling of irritation with this story. I wouldn't be irritated if it was any of the previous situations that Sigurd had mentioned - but maybe grossed out.

[Fragony]

Sick for the sake of it, meh

[Xiahou]

I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
I was like: WTF!!!!!?
Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
I was like :furious3:... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing. :thumbsdown:
:yes:
It's sensationalism at its worst. Making a big story out of nothing with a completely false headline.

[HoreTore]

It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

Especially when it is glaringly obvious.

Classification? They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.

As for the story itself, it's classical gossip nonsense, in line with the celebrity stuff. It's been a long time since news were respectable, but hey, this stuff sells papers, so in a free market world, that's got to be good...

[ICantSpellDawg]

Classification? They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.

As for the story itself, it's classical gossip nonsense, in line with the celebrity stuff. It's been a long time since news were respectable, but hey, this stuff sells papers, so in a free market world, that's got to be good...

What if I got gum implants and painted myself black? The media could start calling me an African American because I wanted them to?
Would that be accurate? Or would it be silly and misleading, bordering on deceitful?

How about if a fat man has boob like things on his chest. what if he was walking around dressed like a guy and thought of himself as a woman in a mans body. Could he go into a ladies room? Would it be sensible to address him as a her?

Freaking retarded.
Why did she even have to get her boobs cut off? Couldn't she just say she was a man who happened to have boobs and a vag?

[Innocentius]

The mere amount of attention this topic gets says a thing or two about just how intrested in the uninteresting we are.

[macsen rufus]

I don't often land on the same side of an argument as Tuff & Xiahou, but this time I do :2thumbsup: I wasted 15 seconds of my life* clicking on a link to find what this "pregnant man" story was about... oh, it's just a pregnant woman, plus a load of media hype. Should have known from the Oprah connection really :no:

The implication was that here was something that broke the expected rules of biology, which would have been newsworthy, but it was nothing of the sort.


They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.


I see this problem - they are misrepresenting facts by colluding with a self-publicist. Promulgating outright lies for commercial gain. She can call herself a chocolate tea-pot if she likes, but it doesn't make her a chocolate tea-pot and it certainly doesn't make her the "first ever pregnant chocolate tea-pot".

But of course the truth doesn't sell, does it? If the headline was "Lesbian who has undergone some surgery and hormone treatment so she can pretend to be a man is pregnant" then most readers/viewers would just say Meh! and get on with their lives.



* not entirely true, I wasted 15 seconds of time my employer's paying for - so the life bit was already wasted :laugh4:

[HoreTore]

What if I got gum implants and painted myself black? The media could start calling me an African American because I wanted them to?
Would that be accurate? Or would it be silly and misleading, bordering on deceitful?

How about if a fat man has boob like things on his chest. what if he was walking around dressed like a guy and thought of himself as a woman in a mans body. Could he go into a ladies room? Would it be sensible to address him as a her?

I don't see the harm in that. If you prefer to be called "the black guy", I'd happily oblige. But going into the ladies room, now that's moving away from meaningless made-up titles and into reality, so that would of course not be okay.

@macsen: blaming the media is useless, the media is controlled by the market, and as such they have to do these stories.

Now where is that nice little red book about state control.... :whip:

[Big_John]

agreed. all the media outlets calling her a 'pregant man' and even carrying on as if she were actually a man is such nonsense.

i don't doubt gender identities and whatnot, and so i can understand why she might want to modify her body to be more man-like. and i don't care if she uses the mens room. but she is not a man, never was, never will be. it's just annoying.

btw, her wife or whatever had a hysterectomy.

[Vladimir]

Meet Vladimir. Male lesbian. :smug:

[The Foolish Horseman]

I think if i was the baby i would be very upset and confused at why my "daddy" was my "mummy"

[Big_John]

I think if i was the baby i would be very upset and confused at why my "daddy" was my "mummy"it's a baby. it won't know the difference.

[Ignoramus]

it's a baby. it won't know the difference.

Not yet...

[The Foolish Horseman]

Not yet...
Exactly, and when it does, and if the kids find out when it goes to school, the kids live will be a living hell.

[Big_John]

Exactly, and when it does, and if the kids find out when it goes to school, the kids live will be a living hell.there are worse ways to grow up. it's not much different than kids that have two gay parents. :shrug:

[naut]

Yeh, pregnant just like this bloke (http://abcnews.go.com/primetime/story?id=2346476&page=1), (oldie, but a goodie).

Anyway, someone needs to find out were the hell that woman left her brains. It's a woman, women get pregnant, who cares! Stupidest publicity stunt ever.


Exactly, and when it does, and if the kids find out when it goes to school, the kids live will be a living hell.
Too bad, they should have thought about the safety and security of their child first, but seems like they are too caught up in the publicity and 15 minutes of fame. Bad parents, bad spawn, bad bollox, good riddance.

[Papewaio]

Right - This isn't earth shattering, but it seems to be an attempt to mislead the American public by the media. When the media misleads about one thing, it calls other things into question.


Thats why it is suggested here at Org central that you get your news from multiple sources and different perspectives. Don't always buy Aussie er Murdoch er Fox news. :no:

[CountArach]

Exactly, and when it does, and if the kids find out when it goes to school, the kids live will be a living hell.
Then teach kids in schools to be more open minded. Its an obvious solution to an obvious problem.

[Ja'chyra]

As I see it this whole thing could have legal implications.

For example has she legally changed her sex to male? If so then she wont be eligible for maternity leave, if not then why is she calling herself a man and which toilet is she using? Possible indecency charge.
On the incest thread the judge stated that he had to take into account any psychological harm to the child when growing up, I take it no-one is considering it in this case.

In general this is the reason I don't buy a newspaper, it's full of this tat.

[Kralizec]

Weird.

Over here you can only have your legal gender changed if you're no longer capable of reproducing.

[ICantSpellDawg]

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"Only the pregnant man shall pass"

[Divinus Arma]

Goes to prove my point that their is no such thing is a real sex change. An addadictomy is just a mutilated female and a chop-and-dig is just a mutilated male.

We are a sick society for catering to mentally ill fantasies with mutilation and calling it medicine.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Goes to prove my point that their is no such thing is a real sex change. An addadictomy is just a mutilated female and a chop-and-dig is just a mutilated male.

We are a sick society for catering to mentally ill fantasies with mutilation and calling it medicine.

I totally agree.

[Big_John]

Goes to prove my point that their is no such thing is a real sex change. An addadictomy is just a mutilated female and a chop-and-dig is just a mutilated male.her genitals haven't been mutilated yet. hence the pregnancy.


We are a sick society for catering to mentally ill fantasies with mutilation and calling it medicine.i'm shrugging as hard as i possibly can at that contention.

[Samurai Waki]

Goes to prove my point that their is no such thing is a real sex change. An addadictomy is just a mutilated female and a chop-and-dig is just a mutilated male.

We are a sick society for catering to mentally ill fantasies with mutilation and calling it medicine.


Well when you figure out some constructive way to convince someone that they are what they are, then I'd like to hear it.

Just don't run in circles please.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Bah she's obviously a woman, although TBH I'm thankful after seeing the thread title.:sweatdrop:

People really shouldn't be allowed to do these sort of things though, what is that child going to think when he/she (hopefully consistent) grows up?

Its sick, its been done out of greed, and should never have been allowed to go ahead.