Inquiry: Interest in an interactive AAR (details inside)

[mini]

Dear AAR readers :)

I've picked up some interest in an concept of mine which I ran earlier on the old RTR board, and if the interest is high enough i'm willing to give it a go.

First of all: rules & info ;)

This forum will act as the Curia Hostilia, ergo the place where the Senate meets. That means that all discussion are to take place here.
Everyone is welcome to give himself a real Roman name, to be put in his sig or whereever visible to others. Adressing someone is obliged to use the roman name, not the forum name.

Anywayz, people are totally free to measure themselves a Roman senator with all the traits and quirks you want him to, as long as you live up to your character when replying on the thread.
You're also free to make one-post-AAR's inside the thread to give background info on your senator. You know how or why your character is a certain way, but it might prove fun to show others why exactly your character is that certain way :)

So ROLEPLAYING is the biggest requirement. Try to imagine how the senators discussed in the Republic, and try to adhere it :).


Now, about what will there be discussion?
In the beginning, not that much. Pretty much most military matters of course since we have to fight the epirote remnant of the peninsula (who knows, maybe u guys decide to just grant them taras and make peace? :p) and after that the expansion matters (north, south? do we even expand?)

Later on, this goes from recruiting new legions (from where? where to? under whose command?) and types of govs to be installed, who is to govern what province etc. (the latter will even be more important when ppl start adopting FM)

In the beginning I will guide the senate on all non-military matters, to get us up to speed and to reach the more interesting years where Rome gets bigger, and the FM-field has expanded. From there on, it's all yours.

When we do get to the interesting years, ppl who have proven to be active enough, might adopt a FM.
Is it governing a city, they get to decide what to built etc. Isn't it governing, it'll just sit in Rome of course doing jack shit, but when war breaks out, and the senate grants YOUR FM command, well of course you get to play the battles. So you might try to make political alliances amongst yourselves ;) if you get enough friends supportign you in the thread, you actually get to fight!


As to some game mechanics:

Due to obvious restrictions, we cannot have the whole cursus honorum incorporated. Though, I still intend to use 2 offices: the consuls and the tribunes.
Now how do they work?
First of all, the number of these offices vary based on popularity. If we got enough peepz, we can have 2 consuls and several tribunes.
What do these ppl get?

The consuls will (in the early years when no FM have been adopted) be fighting the battles. Furthermore, ONLY the consuls can propose subjects to discuss, and only they can determine when a vote is being called for on a matter (24 real hours are obliged so everyone can have a say, and another 24hrs to vote)
Voting will occur by normal replies, it just asks a little attention from the reader to count up all previous posts:

"I, senator x, vote AYE"
Count so far: Aye: x votes / Naye: x votes

After the vote is decided, it will be implement by me in the game (and in the later game, by whoever is in charge ingame by FM)

Also, once elected consul, you'll be in charge of 2 years ingame (8turns) as 1 year is quite short sometimes. If attendance is low, you'll be in charge longer, as rotation will have to be kept low.
After your term is over, your vote will count triple because you are a consular, and therefor more venerable.
of course, when about 1/3 of the participants have been consul, this will be reset otherwise it won't be special anymore.
An obligated reset will be applied every30 to 50 gameyears (depending on attendance), and ppl without a FM will have to chose a new name (Senators age and die you know). Of course this might be a son of their old char.

A tribune gets to veto. That's pretty much everythign a tribune gets to do, so in the early years it's a pretty worthless office, but later one it might be handy to have a friend as a tribune so he can veto decisions that reflect your own FM. Also it will be the Tribunes who will be able to hand out provinces/commands to FM's after the marian reforms +-
An ex tribune gets a double vote, to make the difference between 'backbenchers' and also less venerable then the consuls.




This is the largest part of my old dynamic, the part which I can remember :)
This is just a poll to see how many peepz are interested to participate, so I can figure out the scales.

If anyone has suggestions or remarks, of course they can be stated :)

[Khazar_Dahvos]

I am definitely in:2thumbsup:

[V.T. Marvin]

Seems very interesting and long-long-term fun!:2thumbsup: Count me in.:yes:

[Long lost Caesar]

totally in on this, long lost caesar votes aye :clown:

[Lysimachos]

Interested, though i can't predict my level of activity.

[Jolt]

I is in.

[Reality=Chaos]

I'm in. Though I most probably won't try to adopt an FM. I like roleplaying a lot , but I have little time to actually play, so here's one senator for you.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

As a member of current incarnation of YATS on TWC and of the original AAR (was your RTR name Fuzz?), I'd be happy to join in.

[mini]

yeah my name was Fuzz on RTR :)

I recognize your name aye, you participated on the RTR version of my interactive shizzle didn't you?

[SaberHRE]

in :)

Although I'm thinking perhaps we should use a more turbulent period. Like 170s. As to give a rise to two enemy camps Populares and Optimates?

[PersianFire]

"Sounds like fun and something which I may be interested in. Of course, it will depend on the level of interest in this AAR. Count me in at this moment intime."

[mini]

yup, I think that goes for everyone.
It has no use to do this with less than 20 peepz ;)

[Maion Maroneios]

Sounds good, count me in as well!

[Reality=Chaos]

in :)

Although I'm thinking perhaps we should use a more turbulent period. Like 170s. As to give a rise to two enemy camps Populares and Optimates?

It's rather turbulent in this period as well I think. Rome is trying to control Italy, but is beset by enemies, also the new latin tribes need to be integrated into the republic and that causes tensions. Also there's the tension Of whom to attack. Imagine a grecophile faction, or one that wants to stay friends with the tyrant of Syrakousai. There's plenty of things to get worked up about roleplaying wise. There's also the question of Carthage and what to do with her.

[Justinian II]

Dear AAR readers :)

I've picked up some interest in an concept of mine which I ran earlier on the old RTR board, and if the interest is high enough i'm willing to give it a go.

First of all: rules & info ;)

This forum will act as the Curia Hostilia, ergo the place where the Senate meets. That means that all discussion are to take place here.
Everyone is welcome to give himself a real Roman name, to be put in his sig or whereever visible to others. Adressing someone is obliged to use the roman name, not the forum name.

Anywayz, people are totally free to measure themselves a Roman senator with all the traits and quirks you want him to, as long as you live up to your character when replying on the thread.
You're also free to make one-post-AAR's inside the thread to give background info on your senator. You know how or why your character is a certain way, but it might prove fun to show others why exactly your character is that certain way :)

So ROLEPLAYING is the biggest requirement. Try to imagine how the senators discussed in the Republic, and try to adhere it :).


Now, about what will there be discussion?
In the beginning, not that much. Pretty much most military matters of course since we have to fight the epirote remnant of the peninsula (who knows, maybe u guys decide to just grant them taras and make peace? :p) and after that the expansion matters (north, south? do we even expand?)

Later on, this goes from recruiting new legions (from where? where to? under whose command?) and types of govs to be installed, who is to govern what province etc. (the latter will even be more important when ppl start adopting FM)

In the beginning I will guide the senate on all non-military matters, to get us up to speed and to reach the more interesting years where Rome gets bigger, and the FM-field has expanded. From there on, it's all yours.

When we do get to the interesting years, ppl who have proven to be active enough, might adopt a FM.
Is it governing a city, they get to decide what to built etc. Isn't it governing, it'll just sit in Rome of course doing jack shit, but when war breaks out, and the senate grants YOUR FM command, well of course you get to play the battles. So you might try to make political alliances amongst yourselves ;) if you get enough friends supportign you in the thread, you actually get to fight!


As to some game mechanics:

Due to obvious restrictions, we cannot have the whole cursus honorum incorporated. Though, I still intend to use 2 offices: the consuls and the tribunes.
Now how do they work?
First of all, the number of these offices vary based on popularity. If we got enough peepz, we can have 2 consuls and several tribunes.
What do these ppl get?

The consuls will (in the early years when no FM have been adopted) be fighting the battles. Furthermore, ONLY the consuls can propose subjects to discuss, and only they can determine when a vote is being called for on a matter (24 real hours are obliged so everyone can have a say, and another 24hrs to vote)
Voting will occur by normal replies, it just asks a little attention from the reader to count up all previous posts:

"I, senator x, vote AYE"
Count so far: Aye: x votes / Naye: x votes

After the vote is decided, it will be implement by me in the game (and in the later game, by whoever is in charge ingame by FM)

Also, once elected consul, you'll be in charge of 2 years ingame (8turns) as 1 year is quite short sometimes. If attendance is low, you'll be in charge longer, as rotation will have to be kept low.
After your term is over, your vote will count triple because you are a consular, and therefor more venerable.
of course, when about 1/3 of the participants have been consul, this will be reset otherwise it won't be special anymore.
An obligated reset will be applied every30 to 50 gameyears (depending on attendance), and ppl without a FM will have to chose a new name (Senators age and die you know). Of course this might be a son of their old char.

A tribune gets to veto. That's pretty much everythign a tribune gets to do, so in the early years it's a pretty worthless office, but later one it might be handy to have a friend as a tribune so he can veto decisions that reflect your own FM. Also it will be the Tribunes who will be able to hand out provinces/commands to FM's after the marian reforms +-
An ex tribune gets a double vote, to make the difference between 'backbenchers' and also less venerable then the consuls.




This is the largest part of my old dynamic, the part which I can remember :)
This is just a poll to see how many peepz are interested to participate, so I can figure out the scales.

If anyone has suggestions or remarks, of course they can be stated :)


Count me in, i'm interested...

[Karo]

I'm in, don't got much time so I'll be a senator

[woad&fangs]

I'll join but I won't be real active at first.

[Jolt]

I'll join but I won't be real active at first.


When will FM start being distributed?

[mini]

that depends.

Since people seemly want the game to start when Rome is a bit more powerful, FM distribution will start more rapidly then I originally had in mind.

It also depends on participants/Fm ratio

I don't want 3-4 guys out of 30 to be the lucky ones with a Fm as that wouldn't be fair.

[PersianFire]

It's rather turbulent in this period as well I think. Rome is trying to control Italy, but is beset by enemies, also the new latin tribes need to be integrated into the republic and that causes tensions. Also there's the tension Of whom to attack. Imagine a grecophile faction, or one that wants to stay friends with the tyrant of Syrakousai. There's plenty of things to get worked up about roleplaying wise. There's also the question of Carthage and what to do with her.

"Concur."


that depends.

Since people seemly want the game to start when Rome is a bit more powerful, FM distribution will start more rapidly then I originally had in mind.

It also depends on participants/Fm ratio

I don't want 3-4 guys out of 30 to be the lucky ones with a Fm as that wouldn't be fair.

"Why not? Based on Reality=Chaos' comments, we have a very nice situation to start in right from the beginning. Fair enough, as you say there will only be 4 FM's, but to start the AAR and to test the waters, have 4 FM's with the rest as Senators? Let those persons who wish to roleplay one of the few FM's put their case forwards. (beneficial for those well versed in speech and rhetoric) and let there be a vote from the org community on who would be the initial FM's. After that and in-game, voting would only be from the 'senators' who have signed up.

[SaberHRE]

"Concur."



"Why not? Based on Reality=Chaos' comments, we have a very nice situation to start in right from the beginning. Fair enough, as you say there will only be 4 FM's, but to start the AAR and to test the waters, have 4 FM's with the rest as Senators? Let those persons who wish to roleplay one of the few FM's put their case forwards. (beneficial for those well versed in speech and rhetoric) and let there be a vote from the org community on who would be the initial FM's. After that and in-game, voting would only be from the 'senators' who have signed up.

I agree, this interactive game doesn't have to be so strictly EB campaign based. All we actually need is the Campaign map and the units.

Mini, you could be the GM and control everything on your game.(Which will prevent in-game hickups, when certain people will be absent to perform in their offices).

Everyone would form the Senate. The actual FM's could also be RP, and people would just make their own "fictional" FM's. So let's say Player X plays Cassius Longinus in the game, and is elected consul for this year. In his term the senate orders him to march against the Ligurians(segestica). All we need then is too take a random family member and an army and attack.

This system has it's disadvantages like:

-Players will have too much independence in the formation of their characters, so that in-game traits won't affect the RP.
-Prestige and Command "stars" can't be taken into account.

But with gradual expansion more family members will be produced and therefore "adopted" by the players.

This should work as not all players will want and have the time to lead armies to battle and play per se. Some will only be interested in political in-fighting, passing laws and oratory battles in manners of Cicero.(Yes, expect me to be the Senate's troublemaker mwahahahha :laugh4:)

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

I like the idea of fighting for a limited number of places at the start, because those who want to lead can bring out bucket loads of rhetoric and charm....*stops and admires the metaphorical image*....to win a character, but also those who don't to control the 3-4 FM directly can do so from the Cvria, in a more powerful way, as they decide what the FM can do!

[PersianFire]

@ mini

What game and campaign difficulty will you be playing on? It is possible that you and a majority willl decide on a Medium for battle and Hard for campaign. I however, prefer Hard/Hard.

Since you're basing this on being as realistic then surely the battles should be as well in terms of losses? I think it is too easy on Medium, even though you would fighting on a par with the AI. The human player has an advantage with initiative and more often than not common sense which the AI lacks at times. I don't mind a battle which results in thousands of men on either side but you annihilating the enemy for a loss of 53 men on your side. Once in a while is OK, but it can get rather tiresome when this could happen 3-4 times on the trot. It makes the fun and the looking-forward-to-a-battle, actually thinking about strategy and double guessing your decisions with more discussion and (heated) debate in the Curia. It will ensure make sure that senators will not pick consuls/praetors who have failed to live up to expectations on the battlefield. Players will also be wary of not having tehir FM being killed off either.

My reason for the above is that despite the off-the-battlefield-debate/politics, we would not lose a battle as most of us here can easily beat a medium-difficulty-level army when at least on a level pegging with units. Reasding some of the AAR's just reinforces that, with massive victories and hardly any losses.

Anyway, it's your AAR, but just my thoughts.

[woad&fangs]

I second the Hard/Hard idea. We need to lose at least a few battles.

I believe we should do this in 1.1 if that's okay with people.

Concerning FMs: I don't really care how FMs get distributed. If we are able to adopt a person than we should do so since the Romans don't get new family members for a long time. Players should attempt to roleplay based on the ingame traits as much as possible.

Check out "King of the Romans" for a good example of roleplaying characters.

[johnhughthom]

I would love to take part in something like this, hopefully it doesn't go the way of the Qarthadast one a few months ago.
I second the roleplaying based on ingame traits as well, perhaps decisions or ideas from FMs should be justified with reasons mentioning the traits used to come to a decision. Also agree H/H would be good to make sure a realistic number of battles may be lost.

[Khazar_Dahvos]

I agree hard/hard and start at the beginning of the campaign.:2thumbsup:

[mini]

[QUOTE=PersianFire
Anyway, it's your AAR, but just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]

It's actually not MY aar perse :)

Just view me as the instigator of it all.
Basically, once started this thing runs itself :)

As mentioned, it only takes one GM to hover above it as an eagle, but as long as things run properly, i can sit back ,relax and let u do the hard work ;)

Some useful suggestions so far, and ideas i've never thought of.

And interest is growing, nice.

[Jolt]

I wouldn't mind trying to run up for being an FM early on. I have "some" time to RP in the week, but on weekends, since I'm out of net in my home, my participation in those days would be short. Besides that, I've been participating in RP games for ages (7 years, methinks.) And I'm volunteering since it is in the beginning and if I can't follow up on the expectations needed, I'll gladly ceed my FM character to any other who would wish to RP it, while I'd just invent a simple senator.

[Maeran]

Sounds interesting. I'll give it a go.

[Taedius]

This looks fun, count me in. :)

[Lord Bobbins]

count me in although im not a great player

[Pezlu]

Looks interesting... I fear I won't be very active though.

[eliad91]

Sounds awesome!
Im in :D

[CaesarAugustus]

Sounds great.:rtwyes: I think I'll have enough time to be reasonably active, so count me in!

[Caius]

I need info about if i can run the game.

[mini]

since i get an installshield error everytime i try to install BI

i'll be running 1.1 on RTW exe.
pretty standard shit

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Interested in being a senator and participating in votes, also in discussions and presenting proposals to the Senate.

However, I'd rather be an older senator who is too old to be appointed to an active military command.

[Lord Bobbins]

When will this start?

[woad&fangs]

Interested Parties:

Mini (host)

Khazar Dahvos
V.T. Martin
Long Lost Caesar
Lysimachos (junior member, might not be real active)
Jolt
Realit=Chaos (Does not wish to adopt a FM due to lack of time)
We Shall Fwee... Wodewick
SaberHRE
Persian Fire
Vincent Valentine
Justinian II
Karo (Only wants to be a senator due to lack of time)
woad&fangs (Will not be real active at the start)
johnhughthom
Maeran
Taedius
Lord Bobbins (junior member)
SunShadow (may not be real active)
eliad91
CaesarAugustus
Titus Marcellus Scato (Doesn't want a FM or Consulship)
Caius (interested if his computer is good enough to run the game)

22 interested players + however many we pick up once the game gets rolling. So when will the game start?:beam:

[Chirurgeon]

Never done one of these things before but count me in!

[White_eyes:D]

Even though lately I have not been active this sounds cool I wanna join in too:couch: I will be on more often for this forsure, don't mind being anything
but I would like the trait 'Skilled Debater':beam:

[Caius]

Even if the pc doesnt meet the requirements, I will play as a Senator?

[mini]

I hope to kick start this thing next week (in weekends i'm not available)

or else definately the week after.
I'mhaving a small holliday from 25 april until halfway May, so it's definetly somewhere soon.

Got to grab me a copy of 1.1 aswel first

and maybe download myself a version of BI and see if I can run it legally with my dvd.

[shlin28]

Can I play as a senator?

[Caius]

IS EB for BI?

[woad&fangs]

IS EB for BI?
No, it works just fine on patch 1.5, RTW.exe. That's what I play it on.:yes:

[Caius]

No, it works just fine on patch 1.5, RTW.exe. That's what I play it on.:yes:
Good. I havent found the minimal requirements for EB yet. I need to know if this pc will run it.

[TruePraetorian]

Good. I havent found the minimal requirements for EB yet. I need to know if this pc will run it.
BUT you can run it through BI, which is what I am doing.

[SaberHRE]

Alright gents.

Mini if you don't have anything against it, I'll just start off as temporary GM.

Provisional Rules:

-Each player/senator chooses a REAL roman name.
-4 players are to be chosen 2 Consuls, 1 Praetor, and 1 Quaestor.
-Voting will be non-Roleplay, i.e there will be no RP event of the voting.
-After the voting is done the senior Consul elected, will create a Romani game, on H/H and huge units. And throughout the first 8 turns will be responsible for moving the units and such in his game. Each day the senate will decided what to do with the following 1years(4 turns).
-Voting ends at the end of the day(Players discuss and set the time for end of voting).

-After a period of 4 years, the Senior consul will send the save file to the newly elected senior consul.


Please feel free to change, or mend the rules to satisfy everyone.

[mini]

One more thing
Of course the Consul has to "send regular reports" to the senate of what happens during his term.
how far he takes this, he can chose himself.
I tend to advice the senate as a consul that building x is necessary in city y, and even take that for a vote, but hey if you're a rich consul you can give the building order yourself unless vetoed.
The more lenient a consul is, the more he feeds the senate when it comes to discussion topics. He 'shares the fun' with the entire forum.
of course I understand some ppl may end up in fighting a few battles in their term, which makes for logn battle updates, so I don't OBLIGE a latitude of things that should be included in regular reports

Battles have to be reported.
Diplomatic negotiations (well these have to be approved by the senate anyway)

Adoption offers should be mentioned to the person who controls the benefactor FM.
Also the births of new sons should be mentioned to the player controlling the FM (the list of FM players will be uploaded by me so consuls can check) These sons can be offered to players currently not being an FM player by their own choice if they want. If they have no opinion on the matter not, I either hand them out to anyone willing when they become 16, or put them under the consuls command.

And with a conclusion of his term he has to deliver a conclusive report.
(in general, an overview of the game: finance, diplo, maybe even troop placements.) so the ppl that roleplay know what's going on.

If possible, the consul also has to UPLOAD his save game, so RP senators can load it and take a look around.

And of course, if a battle -or adoption- or whatever concerning a FM that is being controlled by a FM occurs, this player has to be contacted and informed.

In order to speed things up, everyone with a FM udner control will only be able to play his battles. Everything else he will have to talk over with the consul (eg: movement)
If every player wants to move his own FM, we'll never make progress.

It is therefor importan to keep your forum inbox with space left, and to keep a regular eye on it if u are a FM player.


So keep your eyes open, the RP thread will open soon, aswell with the handing out of the first FM's.


I'll be playing as Dentatus, which means I'll be the first consul. That enables me to open a game and a thread, and get things going a bit, aswell as serve as a - so I hope- good example of how a consul should act.
Since Dentatus was named Dictator in reality once, I will act on it and play without tribunes the first term.
Not to do anything special, just to get the game going.
I'll open a thread where ppl can start roleplaying after my opening update, and after 6-7 turns I'll open a poll to elect someone new :)

Keep an eye out for the RP thread, and look here for the handing out of FM's soon.






I will open a Senate thread soon, where ppl can introduce themselves in a RP way. I will also start a game to get things going since this was my idea :blushes:


All votes concerning game progress will take place in the RP thread.

If the mods don't mind, I would like to open a seperate poll once in a while with consul/tribune elections, as poll-style threads are easy to work with.

Further questions can be made here, in pm or e-mail me.
Does EB have IRC channel on quakenet by any chance?

[Chirurgeon]

I hope to kick start this thing next week (in weekends i'm not available)

or else definately the week after.
I'mhaving a small holliday from 25 april until halfway May, so it's definetly somewhere soon.

Got to grab me a copy of 1.1 aswel first

and maybe download myself a version of BI and see if I can run it legally with my dvd.

While you are on holiday will you be doing this or will we have a few weeks wehre you will be gone? If thats the case you should not start until you get back from vacation

[mini]

I'm not going anywhere, I just have to spend my remaining unofficial hollidays with my current work before I switch to my new job mid-may.

I got no vacation trip planned or anything, so i'll be dividing my time between EB and GF ;-)

no worries!

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

I got no vacation trip planned or anything, so i'll be dividing my time between EB and GF ;-)

no worries!

With EB winning of course!:laugh4:

[Jolt]

This seems to be shaping up nicely. Looking foward. :)

[White_eyes:D]

If possible, the consul also has to UPLOAD his save game, so RP senators can load it and take a look around.

And of course, if a battle -or adoption- or whatever concerning a FM that is being controlled by a FM occurs, this player has to be contacted and informed.

In order to speed things up, everyone with a FM udner control will only be able to play his battles. Everything else he will have to talk over with the consul (eg: movement)
If every player wants to move his own FM, we'll never make progress.

It is therefor importan to keep your forum inbox with space left, and to keep a regular eye on it if u are a FM player.


So keep your eyes open, the RP thread will open soon, aswell with the handing out of the first FM's.


I'll be playing as Dentatus, which means I'll be the first consul. That enables me to open a game and a thread, and get things going a bit, aswell as serve as a - so I hope- good example of how a consul should act.
Since Dentatus was named Dictator in reality once, I will act on it and play without tribunes the first term.
Not to do anything special, just to get the game going.
I'll open a thread where ppl can start roleplaying after my opening update, and after 6-7 turns I'll open a poll to elect someone new :)

Keep an eye out for the RP thread, and look here for the handing out of FM's soon.






I will open a Senate thread soon, where ppl can introduce themselves in a RP way. I will also start a game to get things going since this was my idea :blushes:


All votes concerning game progress will take place in the RP thread.

If the mods don't mind, I would like to open a seperate poll once in a while with consul/tribune elections, as poll-style threads are easy to work with.

Further questions can be made here, in pm or e-mail me.
Does EB have IRC channel on quakenet by any chance?

3 questions:sweatdrop:
1.are we going to fight the battles our selfs if we have a FM?
2.and does it mean we would need to upload it back or report on how we did or something??:help:
3.when will it start? anytime is good for me.:clown:

[Korlon]

I would like to join if there's still time. Looks fun.

[mini]

3 questions:sweatdrop:
1.are we going to fight the battles our selfs if we have a FM?
2.and does it mean we would need to upload it back or report on how we did or something??:help:
3.when will it start? anytime is good for me.:clown:


1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Soon

[Irishmafia2020]

I would like to join as a non/playing senator...
How "real" do our Roman names have to be? Would Irishmafiaorius XX XX be acceptable?

[mini]

Well, in the light of RP'ing, that would be a bit silly now wouldn't it :)

i'm not saying I object against it, but imagine other people will have to adress you with that name, might steal their RP fun..

But hey, i'm lenient :)

[Maeran]

How do we break that down? Romans weren't known by their first name in public. So do we call you "XX XX, pater familias of the XXi"?:laugh4:

[Caius]

My name would be Caivs Flaminivs

[mini]

How do we break that down? Romans weren't known by their first name in public. So do we call you "XX XX, pater familias of the XXi"?:laugh4:


take for example Caius Flaminius here..

He would have to be adressed as such :) Caius Flaminius, ave!

Normally a roman name would consist of 2 parts.
Sometimes, a man is given a third part. A nickname sort of speak.

let's say some famous ancestor of our dear Caius Flaminius would have had a red beard, and the man was so famous, they gave him a nickname to distinguish him
Our friend here would then be called Caius Flaminius Ahenobarbus :)
Although he has a third name, it was considered rude to adress him by or with his nickname.


Talking to gaius Julius Caesar, and saying "well look here Caesar, I fancy a trip to Gaul" is just plain impolite

you should say "Well look here, Gaius Julius"
of course, when calling eachother cuss names, it doesn't matter a fig to be polite sort of speak ;)


After Dentatus dies, i will either reserve me a new FM (my right as Gm, sue me :p) or I will make a forum senator, by the name of Marcus Cornelius Vulpeculus :) Member of the great patrician Cornelius clan, cognomened Vulpeculus becaus of my foxish slyness yarrrr ^^


We'll be settign up soon, just a little more patience.

[Khazar_Dahvos]

got a quick question I am looking for a name of a roman senator and I don't really want him to be a roman (ethnicly speaking) though. Can you think of any non roman senators who got citizenship and entered the senate ex.. celtic, greek you get the picture(I hate romans that much).

[CaesarAugustus]

The Claudii were originally Sabines... :shrug:

[Khazar_Dahvos]

:furious3: Just kidding (its not that I hate the romans I want to be different)

[mini]

There might have been during the principate, or imperial era

But certainly not at 272BC :)

Give your senator some special traits if u want to be different.

[Lysimachos]

take for example Caius Flaminius here..

He would have to be adressed as such :) Caius Flaminius, ave!

Normally a roman name would consist of 2 parts.
Sometimes, a man is given a third part. A nickname sort of speak.

let's say some famous ancestor of our dear Caius Flaminius would have had a red beard, and the man was so famous, they gave him a nickname to distinguish him
Our friend here would then be called Caius Flaminius Ahenobarbus :)
Although he has a third name, it was considered rude to adress him by or with his nickname.


Talking to gaius Julius Caesar, and saying "well look here Caesar, I fancy a trip to Gaul" is just plain impolite

you should say "Well look here, Gaius Julius"
of course, when calling eachother cuss names, it doesn't matter a fig to be polite sort of speak ;)


After Dentatus dies, i will either reserve me a new FM (my right as Gm, sue me :p) or I will make a forum senator, by the name of Marcus Cornelius Vulpeculus :) Member of the great patrician Cornelius clan, cognomened Vulpeculus becaus of my foxish slyness yarrrr ^^


We'll be settign up soon, just a little more patience.

Well, after the early days and evolution of the system a roman (male) name would consist of three names, the Praenomen (the given name), the Nomen Gentile (name of the gens) and the Cognomen (name of the family within the gens). Sometimes there would be a Agnomen (nickname) which would be used instead or aditionally to the Cognomen. When adressing someone you'd either use the first name or the second and third name ("Gaius" or "Iulius Caesar"; usually in form of vocativ). Admittedly i don't know since when this was used commonly.

[V.T. Marvin]

:ave: From now on, you can address me as Vibius Tarquinius Barbatus (to match with the abbreviations in my avatar and my actual beard:beam: ).

My grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-father was Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the last roman king, who in his exile in Cumae, Campania, conceived another son (not that rapist Sextus, the disgrace of our noble familia) who in turn became the ancestor of my clan.

With the integration of Campania into newly-born Roman empire, my grand-grand-grand-grand-father moved to Rome and because of his bravery, wealth and good connections succeded in gaining full citizenship for his children and who entered the senatorial rank. So nobody should dare to incraminate me for the deeds of the long-gone king, or I will show you that I can be Superbus too :rtwno: :beam:

[mini]

hehe that's nice :)

Also good job on putting the nam in your signature, very handy (that's why it's in my rules :p)


It's nice you suppy your char with a bit of a background when presenting yourself.

You can do the same thing in the official thread soon, and elaborate a bit :)


Have you thought about what kind of person you'll be? Ane special traits? quirks?

Not that you have to know these already, just tryign to get you thinking ahead :D

[woad&fangs]

Lvcivs Sergestvs

From one of the oldest of Roman families. However, he comes from neither great wealth nor great influence. In his youth he fought against the Samnites under the command of Dentatus. During the campaign his leg was injured, causing him to walk with a pronounced limp for the rest of his days. He his known to have both a great respect for Dentatus and a hatred towards the Samnites.

edit: replaced the "u"s with "v"s

[Caius]

The real character was Gaius Flaminius Nepos, but I prefer to be called Caius and not Gaius. He fought HAnnibal and lost his life in one of the battles, I think it was the River Trebia.

[Reality=Chaos]

Any idea where I might find some inspiration for my senator's name? I'm more familiar with the early middle ages, and though I have a very idea about what happened, but I have no idea what criteria there are at this moment to become a senator. I'm thinking of becoming a rather more philosophically inclined senator who is originally from rhegium and has a deep hatred for Decius the betrayer.

[Reality=Chaos]

Well I did some wiki research, and I found a nice plebeian Gens. I'm going to be Marcvs Licinivs

[CaesarAugustus]

Marcus Octavius, plebian Octavii gens, served as a tribune in the Third Samnite War. He became very patriotic over the course of his service, and strongly believes in the superority of Roma over the barbarians. He is disdaiful of Greeks and Carthaginians, and Gauls are considered by him to be subhuman. More details will be posted in the game thread.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

My name is Pvblivs Valerivs Pvblicola(means freind of the people) and have been a member of the senate for just one year and I'm aged 31. I have served as a tribune and have done my part to help Rome's poor. I am not a man of great wealth, nor great power. But what I posses is empathy. It is this that sets me aprt from others in the house, past, present and undoubtedly tin the future. I serve the people, the people judge me, and the people are supreme!

[eliad91]

:ave:
I will be known as Claudius Marius!
Age 37.
Humble senator from a well known roman family,been a tribune for some time. likes to hear the public opinion and skilled at the roman army and barbarian battle tactics.like to daydream about glory and greatness,and maybe it will lead him to make mistakes.
Very like to participate in discations about war and expansion and find economic and cultural discutions rather boring :rtwno: but important.
would love to see Rome rise to great power and expend.

[Maeran]

Yikes! I was planning on not announcing my character until the proper introductions, but as others announce theirs, I have had to make more and more changes. So now I will make my claim so that other people can move around me instead:beam:

I am Marcus Claudius Albinus. Aged 39 and one of the sons of the great Appius Claudius Caecus (Consul, Dictator, roads, aqueducts and educational reforms. We do reasonable rates on lawmaking too), who I'm sure you remember, died last year (if we start in 272BC anyway).

My brothers are on the path to founding new branches of the family- Caius' grandson (already shouting at the slaves) will be the first Claudius Pulcher. And my brother Tiberius Claudius Nero? No idea where his family will lead.

I don't know if I'm one of 4 brothers or 3, since this Claudius Marius turned up (how can you not know who your brothers are?). But I can assure you that the plebeian consular, Claudius Marcellus is no close relative. Although I did support his election- it's good to see the name Claudius go into the annals once more.

[stupac]

Hot dang, can I get in on this?

I'd like the name Publius Spurius Amandus (or is it svpposed to be Pvblivs Spvrivs Amandvs?) if it isn't already taken, I think it would suite me well, as I'm certainly publicly illegitimate and very lovable.

[Lord Bobbins]

:viking:
I am Marcellus Arminius Bonosus Age: 18
His family were originally leaders of a Celtic tribe but were absorbed by the Romans. They became plebs but worked their way up the political rankings through service in war, steadly growing stronger and more influencial. They favour the people('cough' especially celts) and despise high strung senators.

My character served the army as a junior officer for 1 year and through a lack of senior officers became a full military tribune in the south of Italy.

"Traits"

Plebian
Warlike- will often vote for militaristic ways of solving problems
Blooded
Stubborn- will rarely back down in an argument
Upsurper- many partricitans believe him to be a insolent upstart who disregards rules.
Celtic- many Romans hold him in low esteme for being a 'barbarian'
:viking:

[goliath88]

Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion, but this seems like it would be fun, so I think I'll join in.

My char is Marcus Iulius

For most of his life he's been a slacker, but he's always had a heart of gold. All he wants is for the people's lives to be easier, and for their fortunes to be lifted. He's not so radical as to call for the redistribution of wealth (this would mean the loss of his own resources :sweatdrop: ) but he wants the populace to be made rich through trade and such. He's all for expansion, as expansion leads to new trade routes and revenue. He is 35 years of age, with a wife and a son.

Feel free to help correct any flaws with the story/traits

Traits -
Expansionistic - will vote for expansion 99% of the time
Populist - votes with the people in mind
Greedy - holds onto every last denarius, sesterius, and as that he can

[CaesarAugustus]

I might suggest that the campaign be played on large unit sizes, and perhaps M/M, otherwise there will never be peace with the AI. Or mini could FD peace with AI factions, it's up to him.

[V.T. Marvin]

I might suggest that the campaign be played on large unit sizes, and perhaps M/M, otherwise there will never be peace with the AI. Or mini could FD peace with AI factions, it's up to him.
I object to the proposal raised by my distinguished colleague Marcus Octavius.

I would recommend to play on the Huge unit size - anything less just make the glorious roman army look as an insignificant bunch of latrones.
I would also plead for either HARD/HARD or VERY HARD/MEDIUM difficulty, because otherwise the AI would be too passive and the pax romana look as an outright agression and imerialism. Glorious republic should face same real challenge and real accomplishment. :2cents:

Ave!
Vibius Tarquinius Barbatus

[mini]

wow debates are already starting, hehe :D

Well somewhere the end of this week, or the start of next week, we kick off!

I'm struggling with some work deadlines before my deserved holliday, that's why this is taking so long.


As to game specifics, i'm making it M/H and normal unit size

Medium campaign for reasonable diplomacy (reasonable in rtw terms) and hard battles for some challenge, but not unrealistically.


Normal unit size for all peepz who might have a lesser pc.

[eliad91]

I object to the proposal raised by my distinguished colleague Marcus Octavius.

I would recommend to play on the Huge unit size - anything less just make the glorious roman army look as an insignificant bunch of latrones.
I would also plead for either HARD/HARD or VERY HARD/MEDIUM difficulty, because otherwise the AI would be too passive and the pax romana look as an outright agression and imerialism. Glorious republic should face same real challenge and real accomplishment. :2cents:

Ave!
Vibius Tarquinius Barbatus
:ave:
I Senator Claudius Marius say: Aye! :rtwyes:
(hehe that was fun :P)

[woad&fangs]

I object to the use of "normal" size. Most people, I believe, can play on huge size and I can play on large. Anything smaller than large makes the battles look more like skirmishes than real battles.

[goliath88]

I concur. My laptop barely meets minimum specs and I can still play with huge size units. I just have to pause to issue orders :laugh4:

[Maeran]

In the spirit of fairness, perhaps we should see if anyone does have a problem with huge unit size. We would not want to limit my potential supporters, ahem, I do of course mean fellow senatores.

But I do think that most people play on huge anyway. We all love the spectacle, and it does the people good to get out and meet foreigners in as large a group as possible.

[Pezlu]

I play on huge, but I'm playing on a new pc so I don't think it really counts :juggle2:

However, when I was playing on the "old" pc (which isn't actually that old; I bought the new one for myself, while the other is shared by the whole family) I reduced a lot of details just to be able to play on huge, which is faaaaar better IMHO

I second Maeran however, we can just say we'll play on huge UNLESS anyone has personal objections. I mean that if someone actually says he can't handle huge and wants large units, then we change to large unit size; if anyone objects about large, we can play on normal.

If everyone that participates can handle huge, I say we should use that. But we must first wait a bit and see if someone complains.

[eliad91]

I can play on Huge :medievalcheers:

[Lord Bobbins]

I'm ok with huge

Marcellus Arminius, says aye:smash:

[Irishmafia2020]

I would prefer large, but I do not plan on participating in playing the game, rather I want to occassionaly participate in the forum debate (so huge is fine by me!)

[stupac]

I play on huge, but in the spirit of compromise, I feel we should do large; it is, after all, the recommended size for EB and I think most, if not all, player's computers can handle it. This is, of course, assuming mini's comp can handle it. I agree with mini, hard campaign, medium battles is the sweet spot. Very hard will make things waaay to tedious and unrealistic when we have to discuss who get's to combat the massive invasion every other season.

[PersianFire]

" I am the latest to chip in and say 'HUGE' sizes only please......"

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

[QUOTE=stupac]I agree with mini, hard campaign, medium battles is the sweet spot. QUOTE]

Fuzz actually said the opposite, medium diplomacy and hard battles.

And on the huge or large issue. I have to say large. This isn't cause my computer can't handle it(quad core with buckets of RAM!), but because I know its frustrating if interacitve AARs are huge and you have to struggle to fufill your duties. Indeed, the only reason the TWC version doesn't use EB is because it's too slow for some people.

[White_eyes:D]

Go with large, since I notice that it crashes alot on my comp even though it plays VERY smoothly on huge.....:furious3:

Got it Aurelius seems good.

[Maeran]

Better that Aurelius?

It's a good family.

Of course you could pick any gens you like, or indeed make one up.

[CaesarAugustus]

I would be more than willing to tone down the graphics so i can play on Huge, not that I think I will have the time to adopt and play a family member anyway...

[stupac]

[QUOTE=stupac]I agree with mini, hard campaign, medium battles is the sweet spot. QUOTE]

Fuzz actually said the opposite, medium diplomacy and hard battles.

And on the huge or large issue. I have to say large. This isn't cause my computer can't handle it(quad core with buckets of RAM!), but because I know its frustrating if interacitve AARs are huge and you have to struggle to fufill your duties. Indeed, the only reason the TWC version doesn't use EB is because it's too slow for some people.

Quite right sir. Then I will state that my opinion differs, I think hard campaign keeps things interesting (romani don't have too many strong neighbors early on, and actually it's later strength is a nice deterrent causing the AI to leave you alone for good periods of time). I don't like harder difficulty levels in battles personally. On a 1:1 battle I like to leave with no more than 10-20% casualties. In most cases, battles were won with few casualties on the winning side (comparatively, except in the case of Pyrrhos or a few others). Now maybe I just suck, but that's my opinion.

[Caius]

Please do this is medium. I'd like to know which pc can run huge and maybe I could vouch for huge.

[Maion Maroneios]

Guys my previus name was Vincent_Valentine, just wanted to say this to change my name in the list of interested senators. I will probably not play, just debate and vote as senator. I was also wondering, would it be possible that I could have some kind of greek (Kroton - Magna Graecia) roots and rise to a significant political status as to hold a senatorial office?

As for the game, I suggest you play on Hard/Medium with Force Diplomacy (just to make sure the AI behaves like it should). As for unit size, huge causes problems with city population and happiness I think, I always play with 100 men (from the preferences.txt). BI would be even better, but I don't think many have this abillity...

[Maeran]

Historically allied cities, including the Greek cities of the south (and don't forget Naples- far closer to Rome) maintained their own governments. For a long time after the start of the EB period, the Greek cities in Italy maintained their own language and cultures. But that does not preclude someone gaining Roman citizenship and going into politics. Claudius Sabinus supposedly did it and became consul about a decade after becoming a Roman citizen.

[Maion Maroneios]

So theoretically it would be possible you say? Just to have roots from there, I mean like a grandfather from there or something.

EDIT: So I am a Roman citizen with roots from the city of Kroton. My grandfather fought as a mercenary for the Romans then settled in Roma and made lots of gold, married a Roman and Romanised himself while still keeping some of his traditions.

My whole life has been within Roma, my education is very good, having been taught Latin and Ancient Greek, rhetoric, geometry and the like. I'm mostly quiet, I like excersising, dislike money and thus give it freely (hopen handed, not that good). Severvs Acilivs Scaeva (left-handed) will be my name 30 years old. A man of average height, weight and looks. Mostly my fellow Romans make a little fun of my greek roots, but I don't mind. I'm also a big fan of public buildings like baths and gymnasia where I talk a lot with people and know their problems.

That was a little too much maybe, but I guess it's ok.

[V.T. Marvin]

Hey, mini, sorry for prodding, but when is the campaign starting? There is a lot of impatient Senatores around here...:whip:

[Maeran]

29 or 30 senatores, depending on whether True Praetorian was showing interest or just commenting on what .exe he uses:beam:

As the count currently goes; 3 have stated favour for normal size, 6 for huge and 7 for large.
But of course Mini has dictatorial powers for the beginning of the game and so may overrule any vote.

-Claudius Albinus-

[Pezlu]

As the count currently goes; 3 have stated favour for normal size, 6 for huge and 7 for large.

If you counted me in those who would prefer "huge", don't count me. I don't think I'll ever play the battles anyway; I won't be very active.

Hell, I actually think I will almost be absent from the game... real life is in the way :laugh4:

[Korlon]

I would highly prefer using huge unit sizes, though large is fine if we have to use that. But definitely not normal or anything smaller.

[General Appo]

Well, I could always be a non-accomplished Senator that barely participates unless like a pawn for some powerful one that I am indebted to. I certainly won´t play any battles nor play a big role, but I guess there´s always a need for someone that the good orators can convince.

[Maeran]

If you counted me in those who would prefer "huge", don't count me. I don't think I'll ever play the battles anyway; I won't be very active.

Hell, I actually think I will almost be absent from the game... real life is in the way :laugh4:

Real life? I've heard of it, but work and EB get in the way.

I had counted you in favour of huge yes. Korlon keeps the number at 6, so large still wins if we follow the vote.

- Claudius Albinus, son of Appius the builder, all manner of roads and plumbing undertaken for reasonable rates-

[mini]

ok guys

My pc had given way the whole past week

fuck knows what was wrong, all i know is that I suddenly fired it up for the fun of it and it worked again... Strange things pc's are.

Anywayz,We'll be getting started on Tuesday.

I'll pop in my first years as consul, and i'll prolly take another FM.

That still leave a few FM's to be dispersed, and i'm unsure as to how to decide who gets first pick. WHomever I chose, the others might feel left out or anything, as it takes a while for the next FM's to pop up.


Remember that sons and adoptions are to be decided by the person playing the FM, so be nice to the lucky peepz who get first pick, and you'll get your own a bit faster maybe ;)


Anywayz, cya all on Tuesday for kick off :D

[Lord Bobbins]

Where is the actual game being posted, and how can i get a FM

[Maeran]

I don't have a proper answer for you.

Probably it its own thread here in the AAR subforum.

FMs might be handed out first come first served, but I think it's likely that there will be some kind of election.

I only really posted to point out that it is Tuesday. Hopefully Mini's PC hasn't packed in again.