View Full Version : Almohad\'s a joke
oZoNeLaYeR
10-13-2002, 18:55
How's this nice eh?
http://www.users.on.net/htsut/meh.jpg
TheViking
10-13-2002, 19:18
r u the danish??? I ask that cuz I c that they have corsico (if it isnt a rebel territory if it is ignore my question).
If u r the danish what have u bn doing for the last 900 yrs.
if u r the english:
what have u bn doing for the last 900 yrs.
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
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el_slapper
10-13-2002, 20:09
Ahem. You're in trouble... Note that is they are peasants and you are mainly chivalric units, you're not dead yet. Otherwise, bye, bye.
BTW, do you have spies in the iberic peninsula, so that you have these provinces on your map?
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War is not about who is right, only about who is left
solypsist
10-13-2002, 20:41
there are no doubt English boats ringing Europe, that's why we're able to see those parts on the map.
Oftentimes the Elmos manage to take over Europe in my GA games. The Hojo of MTW
Coeur De Lion
10-13-2002, 20:42
all im saying is Good luck maybe you shold stick everyone on a boat and migrate to america or face the almohads :d
oZoNeLaYeR
10-13-2002, 20:49
The viking, i'm playing english. my trade is ok, generated 5000 florin(profit) my mod started @ 800, i had a hard time beating crusade from france, germany, and spain for attacking france... flanders exchanged hand for like 20 times, between me, france and germany. yer Lion, nice idea... maybe i should arrange it with the travel agents.
Coeur De Lion
10-13-2002, 21:52
Ozone maybe you can get a good offer this time of years. being winter and everything http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Earl of Sweden
10-13-2002, 22:11
I see that the Byzantines have been busy too..And I agree with Solypsist if you cant stop the Almohads from taking Spain they will horde up like this.
I had huge problems with them when playing the Danes.
insolent1
10-13-2002, 22:35
The almohad horde isn't too hard to beat. First is get ship production up & running quickly as this is key to beating them as it will slow down their troop movments into Europe(get ships into the med). When I faced the horde I relied on 3 units 2 beat them feudal sergeants, arbalests & polish retainers(in your case I would use hobilars). In my Polish camapign I faced 35-40 stacks with a lot more good generals. Remember all his units apart from AUM are lightly armoured so plenty of longbows aswell since you are english. Get your spys into his newly conquered territory & use masses of bishops. He has only got 2-3 unit types that I would consider dangerous AUM's muwhaid foot soldiers & ghulam bodyguards. Anywayz best of luck & if the worst comes to worst send an army into his back. Oh yeah you can produce gallowglasses so you should be ok
oZoNeLaYeR
10-13-2002, 23:18
i'm using ECS no agents mod. hence i cant use anything... grrrr i'll start a new campaign then...
Pachinko
10-13-2002, 23:43
BTW the agents mod is kinda stupid I think! Sorry..who made it. If it was there... use it!
This is i what i do.... Make A WHOLE
BUNCH of your spys.. Then get behind the front line. Like a guerilla Army. I mean ALOT OF 'EM like 10 or 15 spys in every province!! Plus 1 or 2 Bishops. And wait.. Its fun..hehe.. Today your done, your toast! Next time try it, it works.
And like Soly said you need the boats.
P.
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Quote Originally posted by oZoNeLaYeR:
i'm using ECS no agents mod. hence i cant use anything... grrrr i'll start a new campaign then... [/QUOTE]
Ah! Yes, well this is the problem when you start fiddling with the game mechanic's.
Presumably, you only have military options and from the look of the map you've already lost that battle.
I found myself in a similar position ten or twenty years into my campaign and was able to buy myself time by using diplomacy and subversion to break up the enemy stacks and force them to disperse.
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Didz
Fortis balore et armis
ToranagaSama
10-14-2002, 00:45
What's the problem??? :-)
Remember, its just one 16 unit Stact vs. one 16 unit stack.
Get all the enemey on the field to rout (at the same time) and the reserves are NO factor, whasoever.
ATTACK!!!
One stack hit Friesland.
One stack hit Burgundy.
One stack hit Anjou.
One stack hit one of those EMPTY Elmo provinces I see. Take that stack (or stacks and go on a RAMPAGE; destroys Elmos ability to build. Against the AI this relatively simple.
Got any ships? I see one. Take another stack and hit Elmo WAY behind the lines! Rampage again!
NO Agents? NO Wonder!
The Elmo are definitely, the Hojo!
But your situation, seems a combo of the Elmo, No Agents and your playing style.
Oh yea, with the English, ONLY two provinces matter. Wessex and North Umbria, (and to a lesser degree Aquatine as a spillway to Spain) forget the other English provinces. There are better uses for your troops, like Flanders, Sweden, Denmark, etc.
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NO Agents, NO Way!
solypsist
10-14-2002, 01:19
it makes great sense until you realize that invading five provinces with fully stacked banners (of one or more) means fighting that many very long battles, and the AI never gets tired.
it's the fatigue that put the human player at a disadvantage in situations like this.
I have had a similar position when playing Denmark (but with the added problem of no crusades).
I just kept going - tried to keep the peace and built up trade.
Spies and bishops help.
I waited unitl another major faction deveoped in the East.
It happened to be Egypt. Soon they clashed around Poland and I was at peace with both of them for around 100 years building up tech and money.
They blew themelves out and at the point of a civil war grabbed about 10 Elmo provinces dotted all around the map.
Because of the civil war it didn't upset the peace.
20 years later and the same happened again, this time for the Egyptians.
I had enough forces to wipe out the Egyptians but at a key moment the Elmos rallied and took out Denmark and Sweden and I lost in a rather drawn out back and forward chase across Europe as I ran out of money big style. (-30000+ florins at 1452)
Having said that I certainly had chances even though my position looked lost and if war had commenced I'd have lasted about 10 turns back in 1150.
What Solypsist said is true. When I look at the screenie, I don't think about the situation being unbeatable, but about hours and days that I would have to spend fighting the same battle over and over again to resolve it.
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When i play as the English i make it a major priority to help the Spanish fight the Almohads. I forget about France, the HRE, etc and put much of my resources into supporting the Spanish.
You could always hope that they have a civil war...
In one campaign, the Almohads were knocking nastily on my borders in Navarre and Valencia. Then boom, all of a sudden they have a civil war and that certainly quietened them down for a few years... enough to let me concentrate my resources elsewhere on the Italians and HRE. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Don't give in, fight to the death, the one good thing about MTW is that big empires have a habit of crumbling whether it be you or the AI...
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=MizuDoc=
Hi,
I'm playing the 1092 mod without agents also. Since you still have emissaries and a healthy bank ballance, try bribery. Bribe as many stacks as you can, particularly in their back provinces.
I frequently bribe the fort garrisons because they can be cheaper and if you succeed and can invade the turn after you don't have the pillage damage, though in your case, I don't think you'll be holding much ground for a while.
If you have to, raise the drawbridge and retreat to Wessex. Expand by sea to places like Norway, Sweden, Corsica ... If you command the seas you can hold all the islands and build up for a big push when they have faction return revolters.
You're in a bad situation, but you're not dead yet. You might also try cranking out crusades and dumping them on the coastal provinces.
Good luck and good hunting,
V'ger gone
oZoNeLaYeR
10-14-2002, 14:10
I started my second english campaign, today. it was the same, almohads was everywhere, but then civil war came upon them!, i said... this is it... CHARGE!, i currently own half of HRE, France(ALL OF THEM), Portugal and half Italy. just say i own half of europe. DIE ELMOHEADS!! DIE!!
DirtyJoe
10-14-2002, 14:36
One question how do you take a screen shot?
Quote Originally posted by DirtyJoe:
One question how do you take a screen shot?[/QUOTE]
I think it's F2
other question, how do you post it (I have a few nice ones)
by the way, what do you mean it's a joke!?, that's a very fun situation to play, I envy you. My 2 cents :
1/ with a decent defence (the AI is a very poor attacker), you'll never loose the 2 provinces that matter, Ile de France for the income, and flanders for income plus protection of islands. It's only 16 against 16 (as someone rightly pointed out) and you can kill his generals quite easily that to his suicidal tendencies (which means pratically that even with 7000 troops against you only one catapult/arbalester shoot will matter, the one that kills the general). Only worring thing though, you seem to lack good generals.
2/ Sweeden is waiting for you, you have the navy, the available troops (troops in wessex wanking around) so get it.
3/ it's also been said, raid and pillage, send a sacrificial army (that should be large enough, even if only made of peasants, you're not there to fight - and if large enough he will refuse the fight himself) behind his lines thanks to your navy, moving every turn from one province to the other, destroying his buildings. It will siphon his cash. I find the 'terre brulée' policy to be too easy to use against the AI normally but in that precise situation, you should consider it.
Have fun, being the last defender of the true faith in western europe
(in reality of course the almo were a lot more civilised than us english and french, but hey...)
evan3d87
10-14-2002, 22:19
maybe try to divert some of alomads forces?
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