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TevashSzat
04-18-2008, 01:33
Well, I saw some people talking about in in the Movie Review thread and guess I should start a thread for it to see if there are lots of people who watch it here.
If you haven't watched it, I highly highly recommend the series. Free complete episodes can be gotten from Here (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/)
Thoughts on the final season so far:
Found the battle in the premiere just great. The CGI was really impressive. The split within the Cylons is bound to be quite interesting too. I don't see how the Cavils/Simons/Dorals can surivive if the Sixes/Eights/Leobens have the Centurions/Raiders on their side. It seems according to the spoiler for the next episode that Cally finds out that the Chief is a Cylon. I wonder how she will reacts considering she shot Boomer and hate Cylons quite alot (there is a rumor going around that Cally might get airlocked in this episode. Hope that doesn't happen)
El Diablo
04-18-2008, 03:49
Some of us remember Battlestar Galatica with face from the A-Team as Starbuck (probably pre- coffee shop franchise) and Apollo as the annoying goody good guy.
That and they mangaed to get the guy of Bonanza to rule them all....
ED (feeling old)
What I wanna know is, what the heck is up with Chip Gaius appearing in Baltar's own head??! Is he separate from Chip Six? Is he the same Chip Gaius that appears to Caprica Six? And just what is the significance of his most recent appearance, anyway? :dizzy2:
Mouzafphaerre
04-18-2008, 13:12
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They're not airing the last season here! ~:mecry: Not yet at any rate. :embarassed:
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Just finished season 1, it needed some time to kick in but now I am hooked. So many quality series lately, a movie just isn't long enough to really get a feel for the characters, perfect mixture of soap & action. Gonna buy season two when I am done with The Shield which is also very entertaining.
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They're not airing the last season here! ~:mecry: Not yet at any rate. :embarassed:
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Gah! That sucks, Mouza. My sympathies. :sad:
TevashSzat
04-19-2008, 01:04
@Martok
IIRC, some people were theorizing that it was because they were too lazy to redo Sixe's hair or makeup or something like that so they used Gaius himself instead.
@Mouzafphaerre
You can get free full episodes from scifi.com which is the network that its airing on in the US. If you click on my link you should be able to see the new episodes. They always have like the 5 latest episodes on there.
@fragony
Keep on watching! I really liked most of the second season. Downloaded which is S02E15 I think is one of my favorites from the whole series.
Tratorix
04-19-2008, 04:05
You can get free full episodes from scifi.com which is the network that its airing on in the US. If you click on my link you should be able to see the new episodes. They always have like the 5 latest episodes on there.
I believe those are only available to viewers in the United States, unfortunately. Luckily The channel I watch it on is showing it as it airs for this season, instead of the few months behind it usually is. :smug:
Seasons one and two were pure genius. After that, well, by the end of season three I felt that a shark had been jumped. Multiple sharks, in fact.
cegorach
04-19-2008, 10:40
I have just watched episode three from season four - so the latest one.
Certainly the best in the latest season (for now of course) - I was totally 'hijacked' the chief's wife pushed to the limits of her sanity.
I enjoy military episodes a lot ( 33, Pegasus, Resurrection Ship etc), but the psychological-political drama in this episode is really something.
Season four seems to promise a lot indeed, let's hope it will continue this way.
Mikeus Caesar
04-19-2008, 11:44
I've always meant to get into BSG, but stuff would always distract me from it.
From what i hear, Season Four has become Baltarstar Galactica. A supposedly disproportionate amount of screentime for him. Then again, i get this info from /tv/ on 4chan...
TevashSzat
04-19-2008, 11:50
@Caesar
Actually, there isn't much Baltar stuff so far. Indeed, there isn't any Baltar in the third episode at all.
Regarding the third episode
It seemed like that the cylon girl whose Roslin's advisor actually is embracing her Cyloness and seems to be less human now than the others. Can't believe she would kill Cally like that.
With the "rebel" Cylons attacked and most likely destroyed, wouldn't that mean that there is going to be a full fledged civil war since the individuals of every model can all communicate between each other? The Sixes can just broadcast Cavil's attack to everyone.
Did anyone notice the 1701D on the weapons locker? That was the serial number on Enterprise from Star Treck which Ron Moore also worked on.
Mouzafphaerre
04-19-2008, 14:04
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You can get free full episodes from scifi.com which is the network that its airing on in the US. If you click on my link you should be able to see the new episodes. They always have like the 5 latest episodes on there.
Thanks for the link mate but I'd like to see them in appropriate order. That site seems to be hosting a few random episodes. :wacko:
Well, I hope the NBC clone that had been airing it for the past couple of years takes it up in a few months. They've always followed it from a while back so I can hope. :yes:
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Gregoshi
04-19-2008, 16:08
I want to like this show and the bits I've seen over the past couple of years intrigues me, but I can't seem to get past the "shaky cam" way the show is filmed. It annoys me more than the storyline interests me.
TevashSzat
04-20-2008, 18:41
I want to like this show and the bits I've seen over the past couple of years intrigues me, but I can't seem to get past the "shaky cam" way the show is filmed. It annoys me more than the storyline interests me.
Really? I personally have never noticed the shaky cam...goes to look at episodes.
I suggest that you just watch the miniseries that starts off everything to get a feel for the show and its style.
BananaBob
04-25-2008, 00:53
The remake of Battlestar Galactica is probably the best show I have seen in years, the plot, camerawork, cgi and acting are all absolutely stellar. I missed the episode before last and the first half of the first season, and other then that Ive seen them all as they air. A true cinematic marvel. :beam:
cegorach
04-26-2008, 18:35
The fourth episode...
Damn, I must say that the season is getting more and more interesting all the way.
I can't help not thinkig if the fleet will indeed fracture, with some notable part from the four 'youngest' Cylons who are (at least three of them) losing their minds or maybe 'only' their humanity.:inquisitive:
TevashSzat
04-26-2008, 19:45
The previews for the next episode seem interesting. Seems like Starbucks is going to do some crazy things
From what I can see, raiders that contain the rebel cylons dock with the Demetrius. Starbucks allies with them, but everyone opposes this.
The previews for the next episode seem interesting. Seems like Starbucks is going to do some crazy things
From what I can see, raiders that contain the rebel cylons dock with the Demetrius. Starbucks allies with them, but everyone opposes this.
Indeed.
It'll be interesting to see how she behaves with Leoben around again.
Also: Caprica Six kissing Colonel Tigh?? :inquisitive: ~:eek:
Next episode starts in only a few hours! 'Twill be....interesting to see how things go between Kara, the Cylons, and the rest of the crew. :sweatdrop:
The bro gave me another series since Battlestar wasn't silly Star-Trek and science fiction as a genre doesn't necesarily suck. ' Firefly', so far I am having a blast.
TevashSzat
05-15-2008, 03:36
I though "Faith" was the best episode of the season. It really moved the story along. The next episode with Athena/Six tensions seem pretty nice too
Thoughts:
Thought the hybrid's babblings are too vague for anything definitive. Kara may be the harbinger of death, but it doesn't specify to WHOM, the humans, the cylons, or both. Furthermore, to the end may mean earth as well as death.
I can't believe that Roslin is starting to believe Baltar's religious talk, but I guess that dream was pretty powerful.
Very relieved to see Athena's character developed since I thought she was being inconsistent in this season so far. When Leoben gets on Demetrius, she doesn't even talk to him or give any opinions that shows she is a Cylon other than when he talks to her on the Raptor right before they leave for the Basestar
You all know, how this is going to end?
I really enjoyed "Faith" as well -- a very interesting episode.
I was actually more intrigued by Anders' actions than anything else, though....especially when he comforts the Eight model that dies from the gunshot wound. I have to wonder what the other characters will think of that.
You all know, how this is going to end?
I assure you, we're in the dark just as much as you are. ~:)
ShadesPanther
05-15-2008, 22:34
I assure you, we're in the dark just as much as you are. ~:)
They will team up with the Rebel Alliance and overthrow the Galactic Empire. (man that would be so awesome. :laugh4: )
But yeah I really enjoyed Faith.
Can't wait for Adama's reaction to the Baseship
TevashSzat
05-15-2008, 23:35
You all know, how this is going to end?
The Humans and the Cylons end up in a huge firefight. The whole fleet is destroyed except for Starbuck in a Viper. Right before she gets killed by a missle, she wakes up and finds herself back in the brig right before the attack. That would be really funny....
Or, they get to Earth and find themselves in the Terminator world. 3 way free for all fight for the planet then
By the by, I still want to know what happened with
the Fleet suddenly losing power simultaneously right after they entered the Ionian Nebula. What the heck caused it? And was it in some way related to Roslyn having that weird reaction right before it happened?
Gah! Need answers! :wall:
Can't wait for Adama's reaction to the Baseship
Heh. Yeah, that'll be a great "WTF??!" moment. :laugh4:
That would be really funny....
Or, they get to Earth and find themselves in the Terminator world. 3 way free for all fight for the planet then
Nice...
Although, they've been shoving it in our face, since day one, do you really want to spoil it? Still, I wonder why the characters seem compelled to profess an esoteric and somewhat psalmic canticle over and over and over. Speaking of esoteric?
HA excellent, just finished season 3. Didn't like it as much as the previous seasons, tbe mystic element feels a bit out of place but still cool as frak.
Geoffrey S
05-16-2008, 09:14
Sod Battlestar Galactica. 'tis fun, but I want more Firefly!
Sod Battlestar Galactica. 'tis fun, but I want more Firefly!
Ya, Battlestar is an extremily slick well produced piece of awesome, but Firefly is a genuine work of love. It was hard saying bye to the characters after all we have been through, feeled kinda empty :shame:
You were right about the movie, the series is much more fun.
Well I just finished watching tonight's episode "Guess What's Coming to Dinner", and all I can say is....
Holy crap!! The :daisy: is well and truly hitting the fan now. ~:eek:
I don't even know where to begin on this one. :dizzy2: All I can think of to say at the moment is that I'm *extremely* annoyed that we now have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode. :furious3:
Gah!! I'll never make it! :wall:
Well I just finished watching tonight's episode "Guess What's Coming to Dinner", and all I can say is....
Holy crap!! The :daisy: is well and truly hitting the fan now. ~:eek:
I don't even know where to begin on this one. :dizzy2: All I can think of to say at the moment is that I'm *extremely* annoyed that we now have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode. :furious3:
Gah!! I'll never make it! :wall:
JUMP!!!
~:eek:
That is all! :2thumbsup:
TevashSzat
05-17-2008, 13:56
Can't believe that we have to wait 2 weeks either and I'm finally starting to have more free time too....
There is just one thing thats bothering me:
When Roslin wanted to find out about the Opera House, why did she call for Helo? Shouldn't she have asked for Athena since Athena was the one actually in her visions?
There is just one thing thats bothering me:
When Roslin wanted to find out about the Opera House, why did she call for Helo? Shouldn't she have asked for Athena since Athena was the one actually in her visions?
I can only speculate as to why, but I would guess that at least one reason is that
Helo is one of the few senior officers in whom she still has some trust. For obvious reasons, Laura's never really gotten along with Colonel Tigh or (especially) Athena, and she no longer trusts Starbuck since she now believes her to be a probable Cylon. Lee is a civilian now, and a member of the Quorum -- not that she particularly trusts him anymore in any case. And she's certainly not going to get Adama himself to act as her errand boy. :laugh4:
So really, Helo is about the only logical choice left.
Of course, knowing this show as we do, I strongly suspect there are deeper reasons for Roslin choosing him as well. I dare not guess what those might be, however; it would probably warp my fragile little mind just thinking about. ~;p
cegorach
05-20-2008, 09:55
2 weeks ? I really hate them for that !!! :furious3:
Anyway I must say it has been a while since any TV show made me so much interested.
Surely I loved the previous seasons, but the last one is just getting better and better. I wasn't sure about the Demetrius plot with the episode with the mutiny being a bit odd, but after the mission was concluded it is even more impressive than before.
And I hate the last cliffhanger, with the Demetrius mission and the civil war happening at the same time I thought I can at least predict something - you know the alliance with the odd Cylon models - but now...
:jawdrop:
Yeah, Athena did a bad, bad thing. :no: I fear to see what the results of her rash actions will be....
Whatever you do, don't look!!!
Right,
WTFrak is up with BSG?
For those of us just barely hanging on, a mini-eppy lost in space, from that 'Happened Before, and Again,' now cut us to the chase...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDOdRDvviS0
...in one drawnout breakaway torn apart...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfxJ0ziQBtk
...as the idols sing on and on their song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xQZkKNPw8
...that once again all over one more time,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cyQd3uq0M0
who's last amist a broken gig, then we think we understand,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BpkqjcN3YA&feature=related
so go ahead again and do it big, and blame us if you can?
they are all cylonesque; from the start every last one...
...they always have been, they always will be.
I told you not to look!!!
...now theres no reason to get excited,
but the hours getting late...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBdtF9wMjaU&feature=related
...so in the end redo a remake,
and do another retake forever once again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv6MIP10j-g&feature=related
Not the way I would have gone as some legends that never ever die...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCXjl66go4
...but always to each their own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdNVxcHBgFk&feature=related
....
best to all
CmacQ
In the immortal words of the Unknown Philosopher: Holy crap!!! ~:eek:
Talk about your bombshells being dropped. I ought to have brought a baseball glove for all the stuff that came out of left field tonight. :dizzy2:
Let's see: Admiral Adama resigning (going on sabbatical?) and turning command of the fleet over to Tigh, Romo freaking out while convincing Lee to be President....sheesh.
Did I forget anything? Oh yeah: Caprica Six is pregnant, and Tigh is the father??!! Definitely did *not* see that one coming at all.... (Although in retrospect, perhaps I should've.) :jawdrop:
TevashSzat
05-31-2008, 13:03
Same reaction here as Martok, tons of surprises this episode.
I just can;t picture Tight impregnating Six. Come on? Doesn't he know better even if he is a Cylon?
Lee Adama I could actually see as President. He has that kind of personality imo.
I was a bit dissapointed at not being able to see what happened in the baseship that jumped this episode, but I guess we will see tons next week in the Hub
I actually saw the whole "President Lee" thing coming a while ago, although I didn't think it was going to happen this soon (even if his position does wind up being only temporary).
As for Tigh knocking up Caprica Six....my mind still boggles at the thought. :dizzy2: There's so many questions there: Is he genuinely attracted to her, or is he consciously/unconsciously superimposing Ellen's face over Six's? Does his attraction extend to genuine feelings, or is it mostly just sex for him? What's different about Tigh that would enable them to impregnate a fellow Cylon (in other words, why can Tigh reproduce with a fellow Cylon when the original 4 male Cylons cannot)? And most of all, what exactly are the implications of a 100% Cylon baby??
GAH!! Can't wait to see what happens next week on the Baseship/Resurrection Hub. :sweatdrop:
ShadesPanther
06-01-2008, 02:44
I actually saw the whole "President Lee" thing coming a while ago, although I didn't think it was going to happen this soon (even if his position does wind up being only temporary).
As for Tigh knocking up Caprica Six....my mind still boggles at the thought. :dizzy2: There's so many questions there: Is he genuinely attracted to her, or is he consciously/unconsciously superimposing Ellen's face over Six's? Does his attraction extend to genuine feelings, or is it mostly just sex for him? What's different about Tigh that would enable them to impregnate a fellow Cylon (in other words, why can Tigh reproduce with a fellow Cylon when the original 4 male Cylons cannot)? And most of all, what exactly are the implications of a 100% Cylon baby??
yeah it was pretty obvious as soon as he quit the military.
Well It had been stated by Ron Moore that the Final Five are "Significantly" different from the others.
I'd say it's important about who the Hybrid Children are.
Hera - Human Father Cylon (7) Mother
Nicky - Cylon (5) Father Human Mother
Saul Jr. - Cylon (5) Father Cylon (7) Mother
While I normally subscribe to the writer's rule of If you've ever considered having someone become pregnant as a plot twist - choke yourself. I have to admit the caprica six thing didn't bother me, in fact it both made sense and shocked the heck right outta me.. a full blooded cylon baby to boot!
Then there's Admiral Adama.. Man where to start? I never saw this coming even after seeing the baseship jump away. I knew he'd be unable to be objective... but to both release power and hanging out all alone in a raptor waiting for signs of Rosilyn? The old man's come a long way.
Perhaps I should just start thinking up the wildest, completely insane thing I can come up with in regards to the BSG plot. Odds are that is where the show is going next week. :laugh4:
TevashSzat
06-01-2008, 11:53
This is kinda spoilery regarding the next episode
According top the previews I saw, in the next episode, D'anna gets unboxed by Cavil and Boomer, but she immedietely breaks Cavil's neck and manages to join up with the rebels.
Once she does, she meets with Roslin and the others and reveals that one of them is the final five. Now, in the previews it shows Roslin shocked right after 3 said that, but it might not necessarily mean her. The problem is, we know that Tigh, the assistant person, and Tyrol are on Galactica. That only leaves Anders who we still don't know yet is on the baseship. That means that we may be able to find out who is the final fifth cylon of the final five
Whatever the previews for next episode indicated/hinted at, I highly doubt we're going to discover the identity of the 12th Cylon already. That's one of the biggest clubs still left in the show's bag, and it just doesn't make much sense that they'd reveal it so soon.
Even if D'anna tells Roslin that she's the 12th Cylon, I don't think I'd believe it -- it's more likely she'd lie to her about something like that.
Also, another thing to consider is that according to Ron Moore, the 12th Cylon does not appear in the Last Supper-style picture on the show's website (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/). Now of course it's possible he could be lying about that just to throw off the fans, but I don't think he is.
As long as the world turns As long as it floats in space.
Ok. Just watched the bonus episode with the pegasus. What they could have done is seperate story's in full series because both commanders are so different in their approach. From what I see here without the spoilers season 4 is good as well. More of this kinda thing please.
TevashSzat
06-02-2008, 02:38
As long as the world turns As long as it floats in space.
Ok. Just watched the bonus episode with the pegasus. What they could have done is seperate story's in full series because both commanders are so different in their approach. From what I see here without the spoilers season 4 is good as well. More of this kinda thing please.
I surprisingly enjoyed Razor alot even though I had my doubts. Its style was pretty different from the normal episodes IMO, but it was nice seeing how another battlestar got through the attacks.
Biggest difference in season 4 here is that every episode is intended to further the main plot along. Whether that happened alot in some of the earlier episodes ie S04E03-E05 is debatable, but there are no stand alone episodes.
cegorach
06-03-2008, 18:17
About the latest episode...
Lee the president of the Colonies - it was predictable, but I never thought it could happen so quickly and in such a way - especially with the 'insane' lawyer stuff... of sourse every lawyer is a bit mad, but this was something which made much jaw dropping to the floor...
The admiral resigning - that was shocking.:inquisitive: Now I can expect everything, I guess...
Caprica Six pregnant adds even more to the puzzle.
And of course I loved the fact there is no viable information what happened with the baseship...
Perhaps I am wrong, but the 4th season is reaching levels of the best from the best. It will be interesting how the first part of the season is finished. A real challenge to keep the show so good and honestly it is the ending which matters most, especially years after the show is over.
TevashSzat
06-04-2008, 01:21
Going through the scifi.com forums, I found a link that has 1:43 minutes of episode 9 on it.
Linky (http://www.hulu.com/watch/21773/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-galactica-ep-the-hub)
Basically, you see Roslin having a hallucination? and see the dead priest on an abandoned Galactica. At the end of the preview, Roslin sees herself apparently dying or in a very dire condition
I just realized that after The Hub, there is only going ot be one episode before the midseason break. I don't know how the heck I am going to be able to wait until 2009 to find out the ending of the show
TevashSzat
06-04-2008, 01:22
Edit: Double post due to the lag from forum backup I think
TevashSzat
06-04-2008, 01:22
Edit: Double post due to the lag from forum backup I think
TevashSzat
06-04-2008, 01:27
Edit: Double post due to the lag from forum backup I think
Sorry about these extra posts, I thought I had a poor connection or something, but it was just the forums. If any moderator could delete these extra posts, it would be appreciated
Well the Roslin-Adama shippers will certainly be happy with last night's episode. (I will admit they are pretty cute together, and I like their chemistry.) It's way past time that she found her heart again.
Also, I totally cracked up at the scene between her and D'anna. The look on Laura's face really was priceless when D'anna told her she was the Final Cylon. :laugh4:
From the previews, next week's episode should be even more interesting (if that's even possible!)....
cegorach
06-07-2008, 23:02
Again I must reapeat - another great episode !
Actually I have just realised only three or so episodes were less than very good or simply superb...
They were not joking saying that the series will end with style and improving its quality.
All right, let's add a word or two about the Hub...
The only thing which left me a bit disappointed was Leoben - it seems his part was not written properly - I guess that was the idea, not to make it even more crowded with plots than it was. Probably for the same reason the previous episode had so little space for Starbuck who should be a bit more concerned about the mission. But again that could be hard to squeeze into the crowd of major plots to follow. Besides I felt similar with earlier episodes - that something was missing - only to notice later that it could hardly be better than it was.
The strenghts of 'the Hub' in no particular order:
- the space battle - amazing, spectacular and made sense on tactical level as usual,
- Roslin and Adama finally reaching the breaking point of the mature relationship between adult, experienced people,
- Balthar - the confession and the 'discussion' with the centurion - excellent !
- the otherwordly, 'mystic' parts of the episode - reminds me the DS9 and no wonder, but this time it is even better,
- Roslin - very well written, very well played, clearly something to remember. A Golden Globe ? Hard to tell, but the 4th series will be difficult to ignore even if some people do not like SF.
- D'anna (corected spelling)- I expected more God fearing, devout cylon - I am glad it is not the case, though I wonder how the entire thing with the Final Five will be played now...
And yes - the part with 'revealing the truth to Roslin ' was great. :)
- several excellent lines - 'you were not married to the entire production line'
or - 'I love you',
- 'About time...'
It seems the series reaches the real maturity combining all aspects of a good show in a single episode - humour, action, religion, death, politics, love and so on.
Most likely a 'must get' DVD when it is released.:2thumbsup:
TevashSzat
06-08-2008, 07:47
I must say that I have agreed with everything said so far.
My only dissapointment with this episode is that Boomer didn't even have any lines. I was half expecting for Helo and Fakethena to bump into her on the Hub.
That being said, do you guys think Boomer made it off the Hub or is the story arc with her and Cavil done?
Well obviously Cavil is done -- that goes without saying. ~;) As for Boomer, my feeling is she made it off the Hub before it blew. I think that if Ron Moore was going to kill her off, he would make sure the audience knew it.
Also, as a completely random aside: Do you realize who the Fleet's second-ranking officer is at the moment (until Adama and Helo return)? That's almost as frightening a thought as Tigh being back in charge. ~:eek:
Also: I wonder what will happen with Lee once Roslin's back. :thinking:
cegorach
06-08-2008, 08:35
I must say that I have agreed with everything said so far.
My only dissapointment with this episode is that Boomer didn't even have any lines. I was half expecting for Helo and Fakethena to bump into her on the Hub.
Err....you meant Fakeathena, didn't you ?
That being said, do you guys think Boomer made it off the Hub or is the story arc with her and Cavil done?
NO chance - she survived for sure and most likely did that with the same Cavil killed by D'anna.
You are not killing so unique character in not this way.
It would be incredibly stupid if it ended in some sort of off screen 'action' - 'BTW guys, Bomer is dead, she slipped on a banana skin while leaving the Hub and didn't make it, but we still have a thousand hot, Cylon women so dodn't worry... :laugh4:
TevashSzat
06-09-2008, 01:57
Here are the Canadian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhBOGoMzn0Q) and US (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXc6LJ5IS4) previews for the mid-season finale, Revelations.
I found it relatively surprising that 3 would out the final five as quickly as she did. It seemed like she would at least try to barter for as much as she could get out of that knowledge.
Towards the end of the canadian promo, Adama says while crying essentially "What have I done? All the people I've sent to die" That seemed extremely emotional and very well acted on EJO's behalf. There is alot of speculation that the fleet may actually find or reach it temporarily in some fashion, only to discover that it is a wasteland or nearly uninhabitable
OverKnight
06-09-2008, 05:49
I've stopped watching the previews for the next episode of BSG. They either give too much away or they're fake outs. It's not worth the tease.
It's sad, I felt I waited so long for new eps, and now here's another long hiatus coming up. Very cruel. I guess I'll just have to get by with Aztec Rex.
TevashSzat
06-09-2008, 21:42
Well, regarding the upcoming hiatus, according to the Canadian preview, Battlestar won't be returning until 2009...
BananaBob
06-14-2008, 04:48
That episode was amazing.
Dang, Lee's got bigger ***** than I realized. Willing (if necessary) nuke the baseship with their people still on it. Facing down D'anna. Ready to airlock Tigh (and the other two) without a second's hesitation. But most of all....basically stating that humanity could (would?) forgive the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, and forging a joint future with them.
I always liked Apollo, but it turns out he's got a lot more guts than I've heretofore given him credit for. I shan't underestimate him again. :sweatdrop:
Also: Clever how they handled landing on Earth. There's still no real way to judge whether it's Earth in the future, or the distant past. :dizzy2:
Gah! How are we supposed to make it another six months before the second half of the season resumes?? :wall:
cegorach
06-14-2008, 15:02
Very clever
I knew it won't be so easy from the moment they revealed the identities of all the Cylons.
Several things I didn't expect - one, huge jump right to Earth ending with...
Actually do we even know it is the right planet - the clouds obscured the surface, there was no recon mission to suggest if it is the right place.
Where is the last Cylon ? On the 'real' Earth or on a planet the last tribe chosen for refuge if this earth was actually destroyed ?
I feel we will see the other half of the Cylon 'nation' in the second half of the series - they will surely have their own part to play in the entire thing.:yes:
Good point, cegorach. We don't really know if it's even the right place or not.
Uff da! So many questions....
TevashSzat
06-14-2008, 21:15
Can't believe we will have to wait till 2009 either.
I remember that the reason for why the midseason finale had everyone land at Earth was that during the writers strike, the writers weren't sure whether it would end quickly enough for an actual full season to be made. As a result, they had the fleet actually find Earth on this midseason ending just in case the season had to end early and this had to be the last episode
OverKnight
06-17-2008, 05:43
Very satisfying. "Everything you want, in the worst possible way."
I'm just glad it wasn't a classic cliffhanger, ie TNG The Best of Both Worlds, part I. Still there's a world of possibilities left even though they are at Earth. In many ways it's comparable to the arrival at New Caprica, a finale with a major location shift and "what the frak do we do now?" vibe.
So if Earth is a Nuclear Winter ruin, who's sending out Bob Dylan signals? Are the Final Five and the shiny Viper part of some advanced automated distress beacon or something? And if the morale of the fleet was in the toilet before, how will it respond to their last hope being less than promised?
Hopefully the final episodes won't have super scouts or any other drek from Battlestar 1980. :laugh4:
The_Doctor
06-17-2008, 22:14
That was interesting.:2thumbsup:
Why do we have to wait 6 months?
It is Earth, before they landed, somebody said that the star signs matched.
I wounder if there are Earth survivors looking for the 12 other tribes?
Maybe everybody meets up on Kobol
The_Doctor
06-17-2008, 22:46
Warning: This is the biggest spoiler you will ever see.
I watched the esipode again and noticed this:
https://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3383/bsglolre3.th.jpg (https://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bsglolre3.jpg)
Thats really sloppy of them to give away the ending like that.
cegorach
06-17-2008, 23:15
That was interesting.:2thumbsup:
Why do we have to wait 6 months?
It is Earth, before they landed, somebody said that the star signs matched.
I wounder if there are Earth survivors looking for the 12 other tribes?
Maybe everybody meets up on Kobol
Actually
They said the coordinates and the rest matched to the point of the signal's origin, nothing else.
I actually think it is most likely the real Earth, but there is a possibility it is something else too.
The_Doctor
06-18-2008, 09:44
They said the coordinates and the rest matched to the point of the signal's origin, nothing else.
I actually think it is most likely the real Earth, but there is a possibility it is something else too.
On the Battlestarwiki Website it says:
The entire Fleet - now including the rebel basestar - successfully jumps. Adama tells Gaeta to take his time with confirming their location. After some seconds, Gaeta announces that the constellations match. The Fleet has jumped into orbit of a blue/white planet - Earth.
cegorach
06-18-2008, 13:16
I was watching it - so I am entitled to have my opinion. For now nothing else can be said that they have arrived to the point of the signal's origin. Wiki or not wiki.
On the Battlestarwiki Website it says:
The entire Fleet - now including the rebel basestar - successfully jumps. Adama tells Gaeta to take his time with confirming their location. After some seconds, Gaeta announces that the constellations match. The Fleet has jumped into orbit of a blue/white planet - Earth.
I absolutely do not trust this show's Wiki. :no: Too many people have different opinions, perspectives, and interpretations. ~;)
In any case, I (like cegorach) remain unconvinced.
Whereas the 3rd season finale clearly showed Earth (you could discern part of North America's outline, including Florida), all we saw in this episode was a water-blue planet with white clouds. It felt like the show was being very careful to not let us see whether or not this was Earth specifically....and I think there may be a reason for that.
Don't get me wrong. It may very well still be Earth; the evidence is admittedly compelling. I won't be at all surprised, however, if it turns out that it's not.
The_Doctor
06-18-2008, 20:54
I absolutely do not trust this show's Wiki. Too many people have different opinions, perspectives, and interpretations.
I found the last bit of the episode on youtube, and Gaeta Clearly says "Visable constellations are a match".
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMMjvL2AmI
He says it about 1:21.
Personally, I don't think that all the people we think are supposed to be among the final 5 cylons really aren't cylons. Tigh is a perfect example- he allegedly got a Six pregnant. Don't we know that cylons can't breed with each other? I think the current slate of 'final fivers' is a fakeout. I still wouldn't be surprised to learn Baltar is a cylon either. :shrug:
cegorach
06-18-2008, 21:34
I found the last bit of the episode on youtube, and Gaeta Clearly says "Visable constellations are a match".
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMMjvL2AmI
He says it about 1:21.
The question is
is it to visable constellations in the shrine on Cobol or to the constellations on the map - I think the second is the case.
I think the scriptwriters are still working on that anyway and the open ending of the series is supposed to give them more options to use or not.
I hope they will not waste this time they have, but the fourth series was a pleasant suprise to me s I believe they will do it properly.
TevashSzat
06-18-2008, 23:26
I think it really was Earth. As I said before, this episode could have potentially been the last of season four so the writers were kinda forced to give at least some sort of potential ending even if it would have been a horrible ending to an awesome series
I found the last bit of the episode on youtube, and Gaeta Clearly says "Visable constellations are a match".
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMMjvL2AmI
He says it about 1:21.
That's not what I'm disputing, though. The part of the Wiki I don't trust is this:
"The Fleet has jumped into orbit of a blue/white planet - Earth."
I think it really was Earth. As I said before, this episode could have potentially been the last of season four so the writers were kinda forced to give at least some sort of potential ending even if it would have been a horrible ending to an awesome series
Right. But since the writers' strike is now ended, they can continue with the rest of the season. Meaning that the Fleet may or may not have reached Earth.
Again, I'm not saying that they *haven't* reached it. I'm only saying there's a reasonable possibility they're not where they think they are.
OverKnight
06-19-2008, 05:52
Visually, we didn't get any confirmation that it was 100% Earth: Views from orbit had cloud cover so we didn't see any continents we'd recognize. My first impression from what we saw groundside had me thinking New York City, but it could be any coastal ruin.
Also, the constellations match up with those in the Tomb of Athena, but those aren't neccesarily for Earth. We assume it was for Earth, but there's wiggle room, this could be another waypoint like the Algae planet.
Basically, I think the show is being intentionally vague to give us something to talk about for the next 6 months. :laugh4: I think it is Earth, but they could always pull the carpet out from under our feet again.
Still having the myth and shining promise of Earth turn out to be a post-nuclear wasteland is the kind of dark reveal that I've come to expect from BSG. It explains why the 13th tribe never stopped by Caprica to borrow a cup of sugar.
Visually, we didn't get any confirmation that it was 100% Earth: Views from orbit had cloud cover so we didn't see any continents we'd recognize. My first impression from what we saw groundside had me thinking New York City, but it could be any coastal ruin.
Also, the constellations match up with those in the Tomb of Athena, but those aren't neccesarily for Earth. We assume it was for Earth, but there's wiggle room, this could be another waypoint like the Algae planet.
Basically, I think the show is being intentionally vague to give us something to talk about for the next 6 months. :laugh4: I think it is Earth, but they could always pull the carpet out from under our feet again.
Still having the myth and shining promise of Earth turn out to be a post-nuclear wasteland is the kind of dark reveal that I've come to expect from BSG. It explains why the 13th tribe never stopped by Caprica to borrow a cup of sugar.
I think you guys are reading too much into this...
The survivors of the 12 colonies have found Earth... only to discover that it is a wasteland, period. This has the effect of 1) lending credence to the Pythian prophesy which states "All this has happened before. All this will happen again." Since Pythia is an ancient oracle in the BSG universe this phrase obviously refers to the destruction of Earth (has happened before) and the subsequent destruction of the 12 colonies (will happen again). The idea that humans and cylons are participating in a cyclical turn of events has also been hinted at repeatedly; 2) finding Earth in ruins makes sense since the Cylons (via the 'final five') have known about it for some time and; 3) arriving at Earth to find it in ruins makes for one helluva 1/2 season cliff-hanger (i.e. it makes for good theater).
Introducing another sideshow planet like New Caprica or the Algae planet wouldn't make much sense since we're down the final stretch of the last season.
The purpose/destiny/fulfillment of bearing and raising children theme has also been beaten over our heads since the mini-series and was recently reinforced with Kara Thrace's line "The only way a child can fulfill its potential is for its parents to die" (or something like that). Given all this I think it's safe to say that the Cylons were responsible for attempting to exterminate humanity on Earth during a war in the distant past.
I desperately hope they don't opt for some wacky, cheeseball, 'abstract' conclusion to the series (i.e Sopranos finale). BSG is still quite enjoyable and compelling but it has taken a series of oddball turns and questionable plot developments since the second season. Basically I don't put it past this generation of writers to ruin everything in favor of some modern art ending that leaves everyone scratching their heads going WTF?!?
TevashSzat
06-19-2008, 20:32
I think you guys are reading too much into this...
The survivors of the 12 colonies have found Earth... only to discover that it is a wasteland, period. This has the effect of 1) lending credence to the Pythian prophesy which states "All this has happened before. All this will happen again." Since Pythia is an ancient oracle in the BSG universe this phrase obviously refers to the destruction of Earth (has happened before) and the subsequent destruction of the 12 colonies (will happen again). The idea that humans and cylons are participating in a cyclical turn of events has also been hinted at repeatedly; 2) finding Earth in ruins makes sense since the Cylons (via the 'final five') have known about it for some time and; 3) arriving at Earth to find it in ruins makes for one helluva 1/2 season cliff-hanger (i.e. it makes for good theater).
Introducing another sideshow planet like New Caprica or the Algae planet wouldn't make much sense since we're down the final stretch of the last season.
The purpose/destiny/fulfillment of bearing and raising children theme has also been beaten over our heads since the mini-series and was recently reinforced with Kara Thrace's line "The only way a child can fulfill its potential is for its parents to die" (or something like that). Given all this I think it's safe to say that the Cylons were responsible for attempting to exterminate humanity on Earth during a war in the distant past.
I desperately hope they don't opt for some wacky, cheeseball, 'abstract' conclusion to the series (i.e Sopranos finale). BSG is still quite enjoyable and compelling but it has taken a series of oddball turns and questionable plot developments since the second season. Basically I don't put it past this generation of writers to ruin everything in favor of some modern art ending that leaves everyone scratching their heads going WTF?!?
Well, that basically sums up my view entirely
Right, Spino and TevashSzat I came to the same conclusion mid way through season 1. Again I suggest you not look at my spoiler if you don't want to know how BSG will end.
This is why I also deduced that the humans and cylons had interbred after leaving Earth as they seem to be doing under the present circumstances (season 1). Thus, all or nearly all of the BSG humans are at least part cylon. Otherwise said, 'We have met the enemy... and he is us,' a pacifist Vietnam Era twist of Perry’s words: 'We have met the enemy, and they are ours.' Personally, I had expected to see a Charlton Heston like Statue of Liberty moment. Although, the BSG view of a city's ruins seems like the Brooklyn Bridge on the Manhattan side just south of the bridge and the Fulton Ferry State Park looking over the East River towards the city (see the very last 10 sec) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2dHLB9y510). Check it out on 3D google earth. My family will not watch a movie with me because I normally can provide the ending after 5 min. It’s a curse.
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/548997.jpg
http://www.igopogo.com/Wehavemet01.jpg
later people
CmacQ
Right, Spino and TevashSzat I came to the same conclusion mid way through season 1. Again I suggest you not look at my spoiler if you don't want to know how BSG will end.
This is why I also deduced that the humans and cylons had interbred after leaving Earth as they seem to be doing under the present circumstances (season 1). Thus, all or nearly all of the BSG humans are at least part cylon. Otherwise said, 'We have met the enemy... and he is us,' a pacifist Vietnam Era twist of Perry’s words: 'We have met the enemy, and they are ours.' Personally, I had expected to see a Charlton Heston like Statue of Liberty scene. Although, the BSG view of a city's ruins seems like the Brooklyn Bridge on the Manhattan side just south of the bridge and the Fulton Ferry State Park looking over the East River towards the city (see the very last 10 sec) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2dHLB9y510). Check it out on 3D google earth. My family will not watch a movie with me because I normally can provide the ending after 5 min. It’s a curse.
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/548997.jpg
http://www.igopogo.com/Wehavemet01.jpg
later people
CmacQ
I don't want to burst your bubble but you're not the only one who saw that coming. By the way, love the Pogo reference... :thumbsup:
The similarity to the Brooklyn/Manhattan skyline was a bit obvious (especially to a Brooklyn native like myself) and perhaps the producers & director were having a bit of fun at the expense of NY'ers (when isn't NY being attacked, bombed & destroyed by Hollyweird?). Also, I don't know if anyone noticed but if you listen very carefully to the final scene you may notice that they increased the volume of the surf effects once the camera began to reveal the ruined city's skyline. This practically mirrors the sound mix of the final scene in Planet of the Apes when the surf sound becomes overwhelming when the Statue of Liberty is revealed. In the very least BSG's sound mixer may have been instructed to jack up the levels a bit to inspire a subconcious sense of deja-vu. Clearly the producers are having fun at our expense... :laugh4:
Listen carefully now...
The final scene in BSG Episode 10. The sound of the surf quickly dominates the scene around 1:35, just prior to the reveal of the destroyed skyline...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6Leg7MGQE&feature=related
The final scene in Planet of the Apes. The sound of the surf begins to dominates the scene around 2:40, just as the camera pans up to reveal the Statue of Liberty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw6Jne0tAQ
Intentional? I think so. :yes:
I don't want to burst your bubble but you're not the only one who saw that coming. By the way, love the Pogo reference... :thumbsup:
The similarity to the Brooklyn/Manhattan skyline was a bit obvious (especially to a Brooklyn native like myself) and perhaps the producers & director were having a bit of fun at the expense of NY'ers (when isn't NY being attacked, bombed & destroyed by Hollyweird?). Also, I don't know if anyone noticed but if you listen very carefully to the final scene you may notice that they increased the volume of the surf effects once the camera began to reveal the ruined city's skyline. This practically mirrors the sound mix of the final scene in Planet of the Apes when the surf sound becomes overwhelming when the Statue of Liberty is revealed. In the very least BSG's sound mixer may have been instructed to jack up the levels a bit to inspire a subconcious sense of deja-vu. Clearly the producers are having fun at our expense... :laugh4:
Listen carefully now...
The final scene in BSG Episode 10. The sound of the surf quickly dominates the scene around 1:35, just prior to the reveal of the destroyed skyline...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6Leg7MGQE&feature=related
The final scene in Planet of the Apes. The sound of the surf begins to dominates the scene around 2:40, just as the camera pans up to reveal the Statue of Liberty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw6Jne0tAQ
Intentional? I think so. :yes:
Spino a very good point there. So you agree with the location?
A mater of fact, at 1:50 of your BSG Episode 10, isn't that the foundations of the Manhattan Bridge ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6Leg7MGQE&feature=related) followed by a quick pan of its collapsed superstructure?
Spino a very good point there. So you agree with the location?
A mater of fact, at 1:50 of your BSG Episode 10, isn't that the foundations of the Manhattan Bridge ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6Leg7MGQE&feature=related) followed by a quick pan of its collapsed superstructure?
Yes. Provided they're having a bit of fun by having the BSG crew land in NYC. I'd definitely put my money on the Brooklyn Bridge which is just south of the Manhattan bridge. If it was the Manhattan bridge the ruins of the Brooklyn bridge would have been in plain sight when the camera panned to the right. Furthermore the Manhattan bridge is made entirely of steel whereas the Brooklyn bridge sports stone towers which better match the ruined bridge tower in the episode...
https://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2838/brooklynbridge1arw3.th.jpg (https://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brooklynbridge1arw3.jpg)
https://img131.imageshack.us/img131/190/bsgbklynbridgecg0.th.jpg (https://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bsgbklynbridgecg0.jpg)
Now here's a cool bit of trivia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge
2006 bunker discovery
In 2006, a Cold War era bunker was found by city workers near the East River shoreline of Manhattan's Lower East Side. The bunker, hidden within one of the masonry towers, still contains the emergency supplies that were being stored for a potential nuclear attack by the Soviet Union.[14]
Wouldn't it be funny if they found that bunker in BSG, complete with some powerful transmitter that was tuned into Starbuck's Viper and was cranking that cover of "All Along the Watchtower" into the brains of the Final Five Cylons? :laugh4:
TevashSzat
07-09-2008, 16:33
So...I just got around to downloading all of the podcasts for BSG. There are a ton of intersting things to learn there. I'm still on 204 right now....its gonna take a while to listen to all 67ish
Personally, I don't think that all the people we think are supposed to be among the final 5 cylons really aren't cylons. Tigh is a perfect example- he allegedly got a Six pregnant. Don't we know that cylons can't breed with each other? I think the current slate of 'final fivers' is a fakeout. I still wouldn't be surprised to learn Baltar is a cylon either. :shrug:
The shows EP's have said that the final 5 are "very different" than the known 7.
With "very different" meaning much more human. Thier males aren't shooting blanks, and don't resurect.
TevashSzat
11-19-2008, 21:37
I guess this is kinda thread necromancy, but I suppose this is better than posting another topic.
Anyways, some Battlestar Galactica Season 4.5 Webside News (http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-coming-out-party.html)
Basically, they will air on January 15th, 2009 which is just a day before the 4.5 season premier on January 16th.
I don't like how they're hinting that 2 gay characters will come out. I just picture any of the main or recurring cast be gay. Gaeta would be okay, I suppose, but who else???
Cool. Thanks for the update; I didn't even know when 4.5 was going to premier until now. ~:)
I don't like how they're hinting that 2 gay characters will come out. I just picture any of the main or recurring cast be gay. Gaeta would be okay, I suppose, but who else???
It's been painfully obvious almost from the beginning that Gaeta's been in the closet. I'd have been shocked if he turned out to be straight.
As for the other gay character, it's apparently
Seriously, don't look if you don't want to know.
I mean it! Don't look!
Lt. Hoshi, the Pegasus' former communications officer.
Mouzafphaerre
11-21-2008, 09:17
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It's been on air for a few months finally and I'm on it every Sunday. :jumping:
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TevashSzat
12-14-2008, 04:04
Alot of BSG news updates here:
Okay, my previous information was wrong and the first webisode has already been released.
You can watch it here for those in the US (http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861) or here on Youtube if you're elsewhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fROCdL3oX0I).
Not too much going on in the first one except that the whole gay characters thing seem to not be as flamboyant as what I pictured before.
The scifi link also has a commentary version which has some nice insights.
Sadly, it seems as if the BSG set is now completely torn down which means that there would be very little chance of any more TV movies after The Plan. Who, knows, I hope Caprica is good.
Also, some new teasers for the second half of season 4 is up too.
Finally, it seems that Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) was recently diagnosed with cancer (http://community.livejournal.com/ksackhoff_fans/34064.html) after BSG shooting finished. Luckily, she had surgery and everything seems to be fine now.
Hmm. Just finished watching the third webisode. Not really sure where they're going with this....
TevashSzat
01-19-2009, 18:48
Okay, the 4.5 opener was aired last Friday and boy were a lot of things revealed
First of all, I did not see DUalla's suicide coming at all. I suppose I found it a bit wierd how she changed from being really depressed and crying to happy all of a sudden, but didn't think too much of it. Gaeta must really be shaken
Okay, the 13th tribe is cylon. This raises up so many questions, I don't even know where to begin. How did the 7 current models come to be? How did they nuke themselves? How did the final five get ressurected? Etc......
Ellen as the last of the final five. Again, really came out of nowhere. I was like meh, episode was going to end and then BOOM theres ellen with tigh during the 13th tribe's destruction.
I love how Kara isn't telling anyone about what she saw with Leoben. I suppose Leoben will reveal her secret and then there will be a big uproar about it in one of the upcoming episodes.
Thats it for now, I'll post more of my thoughts later
The_Doctor
01-19-2009, 21:32
It is not on until tomorrow in the UK.
I want to click that spoiler, thats it I'm doing it, no I have to be strong.:sweatdrop:
Kekvit Irae
01-20-2009, 01:53
Number Six is not a number, SHE IS A FREE MAN!
If you catch where this comes from, you truly are among the cultured of the forum.
GeneralHankerchief
01-20-2009, 01:56
Four posts into the new season and I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out the fact that we're all robots.
Of course, the Prisoner.
You can do better ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwWfU18boOI) than that.
CmacQ
Kekvit Irae
01-20-2009, 02:50
Of course, the Prisoner.
http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner-1960s-series/
:loveg:
TevashSzat
01-21-2009, 04:07
Some more thoughts:
I can already see what The Plan is probably going to be about. Its going to be an in depth overview of the Final Five's actions that led up to the destruction of th 13th tribe. I'm going to be kinda dissapointed if this comes true since that means many of my favorite chars (Lee, Boomer/Athena, etc...) will either the left out or given little screen time
I thought the whole fleet's mood was captured beautifully. Roslin's burning of her "bible," Adama's attempted suicide through Tigh, the Frak Earth graffitti, the random crew just in the cooridors of the Galactica. The whole episodes, IMO, was just masterfully done.
Ron Moore's official podcast just came out and I downloaded it. I'm positive their is going to be a wealth of knowledge as always.
For now, I don't really see how the webisodes connect the second half of season four. The teasers for the next episodes, however, hint at the upcoming confrontation with Zarek and perhaps more tensions with the Cylongs.
Edit: Something else I forgot to add
Fridays this Winter/Spring are going to be exciting. I'm bit of a SciFi fan so I'll be getting Terminators: The Sarah Connor Chronicles at 8PM on FOX, Dollhouse (Tahmoh Peniket, ie Helo is a main character) at 9PM on FOX, and of course BSG at 10 PM on the SciFi channel.
Virtuality, which is Ron Moore's next project now that BSG is done, is to appear of FOX as well. I don't know when exactly, but I am guessing this upcoming Fall season
For once in my life, I'm actually kinda happy with the FOX executives right now (still cant believe they canceled Dark Angel.....). I bet, though, that Dollhouse and Virtuality are going to somehow never make it pass season 2.....
You really don't think that the so-called BSG humans were actually the descendents of the tin-man artefacts found on earth, that begot their breed of look-alike-bots who nuked the so-called look-alike-bots that lived on earth, that were actually us, or aka the current humans, and who for their wont of revenge created another kind of tin-man, from where the current look-alike-bots descended, that were designed only to nuke the future so-called BSG humans, who again were just the kinder of just another type of look-alike-bots?
Right, a wee bit convoluted, I will admit, but it seems to explain nearly everything, don't you think? Of course, that is everything but the so-called divine intervention thingy, as even they’re just so bloody sick of watching this endless remake/loop run on and on and on.
CmacQ
The_Doctor
01-21-2009, 12:10
That was an interesting episode.:yes:
I think that the 12 tribes of Kobol created the cylons(the 13th tribe), who then rebelled and left Kobol and then settled on Earth. It seems that Earth was nuked and the 12 tribes left Kobol at a similar time(about 2000 years before the fall of 12 colonies), I am thinking that the cylons attacked Kobol(maybe with a probe with a virus in, like the one the Galactica found) and then the kobolains nuked Earth in revenge and then left Kobol and founded the 12 colonies. Some of the 13th tribe survived and found the 12 colonies and lived among them or maybe they switched off for 2000 years until the new Cylons where created(maybe then created the human form cylons?).
I have no idea what Starbuck is.
I just finished watching the entire series. I have to say I was satisfied with the entire thing (except maybe that tedious boxing episode). I'm glad I completely avoided reading anything about it online while I was in the midst of it or I might've been influenced by the nerd rage group think.
CGI was movie quality, action was exciting, plot developments were shocking and epic, and most importantly the characters had very interesting arcs. Col. Tigh's stock went up and down like the tides for most of the show's run, but after the end of season 3 he really showed his true colors as a stand up guy that I really liked.
Gaius Baltar was the best though. In the confines of a TV show he's a sniveling coward but he's really the most human character on the show. It's easy to demand that he act like a selfless superhero in countless situations, but no one knows how far they'll go in order to stay alive. Pretty damn far I'll bet.
They ended the Baltar arc perfectly with probably my favorite moment of the entire series
https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpl6f78pqB1ql4n3ko2_250.gif
https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpl6f78pqB1ql4n3ko4_250.gif
I also loved the allusions to the war on terror. At one point Roslin was the spitting image of George W. where any criticism was met with the name dropping of a disaster "Aren't you forgetting about 9/11 NEW CAPRICA!?," and New Caprica itself was pretty obvious with what they were trying to do there but I still thought it was interesting. It kind of makes me want to see a movie from an al-Qaeda terrorist's perspective (it can be done without glorifying or condoning, kind of like Downfall).
I just wish the Leobens and D'Anna's didn't completely disappear from the last several episodes. Leoben was my favorite Cylon besides Athena and Caprica Six. Speaking of, I was very surprised when I read she didn't have much acting experience before tanking the job. She has very emotive eyes.
Blah blah blah. Probably my favorite show ever.
Greyblades
06-21-2012, 13:33
Opinion on the ending?
Opinion on the ending?
Train wreck. A flaming, horrible train wreck. Any show where the ending says,
"They were ANGELS all along!"has well and truly soiled itself in bed.
Look, BSG gave us two years of excellent TV. After that ...
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/indiagun985.jpg
Lost interest halfway season 3, first season was really something though, second was ok
Opinion on the ending?
After three entire series of Star Trek (everything but TOS and ENT), it was nice to have an explanation that wasn't "They're alien Flecktards from the Teetari nebula living between dimension who need to keep humans alive in order to harvest their cellular peptides with molecular decompilers." Brain chips, schizophrenia, Cylon Kara copy, etc. are too mundane of explanations as well.
The show had strong religious inclinations from the start so it was to be expected really. And I don't mean the character's religions being part of their motivation and the plot, but Roslin having premonitions that came true in the very first season.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-21-2012, 23:04
Train wreck. A flaming, horrible train wreck. Any show where the ending says,
"They were ANGELS all along!"has well and truly soiled itself in bed.
Look, BSG gave us two years of excellent TV. After that ...
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Yeah - but not just Angles, full on YHWH-obeying ones to boot!
I always felt BSG was trying too hard - all that time spent on cutting all the corners off those books and then they just pick up the Civilian clothes from Seers?
Yeah - noooo.
I recently re-watched the original BSG (the first episode) and, you know what? It was just as gritty and the plight of the people was just as heart-rending, for all that it was "soft" 70's Sci-fi.
BSG was ok, but not enough thought was put into it beyond the Galactica itself and her crew.
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-21-2012, 23:16
When the explosions/Baltar ratio dipped below 1:1 it was time to abandon ship.
Major Robert Dump
06-22-2012, 09:22
I only watched it for Boomer. Stopped at season 3 when it got overly corny, but caught bits and pieces until the end. didn't know about the angels thing
Greyblades
06-22-2012, 11:36
Well I watched it all in one go over the course of several weeks and I liked all of it up to the point when head baltar+six appear to both Baltar and caprica six, then it started to tumble downhill. Then apollo said "hey guys, lets be cavemen" and it landed headfirst onto a sharp spike. After that I couldn't watch it anymore and just skipped to the end just to rage at the "god is real and humanity's just restarted itself" end scene.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-22-2012, 11:40
Well I watched it all in one go over the course of several weeks and I liked all of it up to the point when head baltar+six appear to both Baltar and caprica six, then it started to tumble downhill. Then apollo said "hey guys, lets be cavemen" and it landed headfirst onto a sharp spike. After that I couldn't watch it anymore and just skipped to the end just to rage at the "god is real and humanity's just restarted itself" end scene.
Well, to be fair the original BSG was pseudo-Mormon, the reboot was just pseudo-Evangelical.
Greyblades
06-22-2012, 11:53
I don't mind the god is real part to be honest, though it seems like they wasted an opportunity by making it a standard Christianity god.
It's the really stupid "50,000 people all agree to throw away technology and become hunter gatherers" bit that infuriates me.
It's not really the Christian god IMO because:
- First, it doesn't think of itself as a god. When Head Baltar says "he doesn't like that name," I don't take it as the being not liking the way it sounds, but rejecting that identity altogether.
- Following from that, it has no desire to be worshiped. It only used Head Six to get Baltar to believe in it as a means to motivate him. Someone as selfish, arrogant and narcissistic as Baltar needs a something greater than himself to get him to do anything but ensure his own survival, and someone that vain would only accept a bona fide God as being greater than him.
- There's no evidence to indicate that it ever used prophets in order to create religions dedicated to it's worship. The 12 Colonies have believed in "the gods" for millennia without harming it's desire to protect them from extinction. If it didn't attempt to make the 12 Colonies into a monotheistic theocracy, it stands to follow that it's not responsible for Abraham, Jesus, Mohammad or whatever. Baltar's cult was used by it as a buffer simply to protect Baltar from those who wanted to harm him, in order to make sure he survives and stays on his journey, not a genuine ministry of God with the aim to turn humanity to it's worship. Cylon monotheism, the human monotheistic cults of the 12 Colonies and now of "new Earth" therefore were just natural evolutions of theology.
- There's nothing to suggest that it meddles in the affairs of humanity at all except to protect it from annihilation. Each time it LETS the Cylon holocaust "happen again," only stepping in to protect the remnants. The final scene in NYC pretty clearly indicated to me that it stands by and just watches humanity progress each time (Head Six's lines about math and probability and letting things "play out," as well as Head Baltar's question of if it "has to happen again" suggests that the "god" entity takes no part in human affairs.
- It doesn't value Christian morality. It's living agents are a Cylon responsible for murdering countless billions and her sociopathic accomplice.
The thing with gods in science fiction is, they're really just the most advanced aliens, and this one has decided to make humanity it's pet project and keep it going at all costs. This might be due to the fact that there are no aliens in BSG in spite of the countless worlds they've visited in their long history, so perhaps humans are the only intelligent life in the universe besides the Cylons they inevitably create and the omniscient entity itself.
Vladimir
06-22-2012, 13:57
I only watched it for Boomer. Stopped at season 3 when it got overly corny, but caught bits and pieces until the end. didn't know about the angels thing
After seeing that 8 became my favorite number.
Even though she redeemed herself a bit in the very end of her life, Boomer turned out to be a real idiot and an asshole after coming to grips with her Cylon identity.
Athena, on the other hand, was awesome and I really liked her.
Greyblades
06-22-2012, 14:12
It's not really the Christian god IMO because:
Sorry I meant a generic god, one who loves you and everyone yet doesn't interfere much etc, etc. We don't really get much characterization beyond what the cylons believe and the chatterings of two of it's angels
I don't know about that either. I'd think I would help a stranger in public who was in danger of dying but that doesn't mean that I love them. I'd help save someone I hate even.
The impression I get from the show is the BSG "god" is...interested in the outcome of their doings, perhaps as a form of entertainment. It's desire to not see humanity end may be nothing more than a selfish desire to not see it's favorite show get canceled. If there's nothing else in the universe that'd make us the only show running.
Greyblades
06-22-2012, 14:27
No, I'm pretty sure I heard head six say god loves you a few times.
Means to an end. Or if Head Six is an agent of "god" with its own sentience (as opposed to being an avatar of it), it could be it's very own personal belief. Anyone who believes god exists wants to believe that it is kind, benevolent and loving.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-22-2012, 23:09
I don't know about that either. I'd think I would help a stranger in public who was in danger of dying but that doesn't mean that I love them. I'd help save someone I hate even.
The impression I get from the show is the BSG "god" is...interested in the outcome of their doings, perhaps as a form of entertainment. It's desire to not see humanity end may be nothing more than a selfish desire to not see it's favorite show get canceled. If there's nothing else in the universe that'd make us the only show running.
You're stretching the dishonesty/faalbility of the characters to make a point.
What we know is that this Supreme Being has intervened multiple times to preserve humanity, but all it ever gives humanity is a chance, if the show's characters had just spent the series going "la la la, we can't hear you" they would all be toast. The Baltar-Avatar says "He doesn't like that name" - that statement is very pregnant from the point of view of the current monotheistic religions - God's names are descriptive, "The Lord Who Comes Down From the High Mountain" (El Saddai) and "[My name is] I Am" (Yahweh). In fact, God is a pagan descriptor which is not really appropriate, not least because it has a plural and is gendered.
I'm not saying it's the "Christian" God, but the presentation comes out of Christian and later Judaic and Muslim mystical writings, an essentially unknowable but benevolent Divine Being.
Then if you look at the Agnels and their highly empathic charactarisation, both positive and negative, that implies something about the being they serve. The Avatars do appear to care about their charges, but they treat them like adolescents - in need of guidence but also expected to make their own decision. Again - that's a charactarisation common to Christianity in particular, but which is present in other religions as well.
I'm not "stretching" anything nor am I trying to "make a point." I'm simply articulating my personal interpretation of the finale.
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