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kyodai-britishbeef
10-11-2002, 21:48
yes thats right i am totally gutted.why ??
i have been playing a single played campaign as the turks . to begin with i took out the egyptians , it took while but i did it and had control of most of the middle east on the map as well as n.e africa i was allies with the alomhads so did not go any further into africa. all was fine i was kickin the eurpeans butts when the where crusading against me (nearly every year goddamn them).So my plan now was to move against the byzantines who had the lands around constantinople so i built up a huge force to strike hard and fast and gain as many provinces as i could in 1-2 years. so i made my move 1174 it was (ah wot a year http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif )gained 8 new provences so was very happy . this had taken me 10 hoursof play over 2 days . so what happens now GODDAMN CIVIL WAR !!! omg wots this im thinking , so i had to choose between 2 sides , so i pick the stronger one hmm . i go back to the strategic map and half my provences r now rebels....argh.. ok stay calm im thinking i can take them back quick enough OH NO I CANT ... the rebels attack and so do the byzantines i lose more provences as the men i have left r rubbish and r fighting against my old high valour gens (ARGH) so i go back to the strategic map an as it stands now i have 1 provence left...... gutted . totally gutted http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
sucks man. better keep an eye on the loyalty in your dominions...
not only the province loyalty but also your generals' loyalty.
Wolfgrin
10-12-2002, 02:10
This brings up a good question. If you have no heirs, does your realm collapse into civil war regardless of any other factors? Or, is there something you can do to ensure a smooth succession (e.g., purge low loyalty generals or marry them to princesses, put spies in provinces with low loyalty, etc)?
Pragmatic
10-12-2002, 02:30
Quote Originally posted by Wolfgrin:
This brings up a good question. If you have no heirs, does your realm collapse into civil war regardless of any other factors? Or, is there something you can do to ensure a smooth succession (e.g., purge low loyalty generals or marry them to princesses, put spies in provinces with low loyalty, etc)?[/QUOTE]
If you, as the player, have no heirs when your king dies (or the heirs haven't come of age yet), you lose. Period. End of sentence.
ToranagaSama
10-12-2002, 10:21
Isn't this a GREAT game!!
The game will PUNISH you if you don't play smart.
Just wondering, what difficulty are you plaing at?
kyodai-britishbeef
10-12-2002, 13:45
i was playing on hard ..... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
solypsist
10-12-2002, 20:36
it's often a good idea to simply buy back your rebel armies (which are pretty cheap compared to the same army belonging to a faction) and get back your best provinces quickly.
el_slapper
10-13-2002, 00:10
and don't forget to plant priests/bishops/alims, spies & assassins everywhere. It REALLY helps preventing rebellions.
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War is not about who is right, only about who is left
kyodai-britishbeef,
did you quit the game?
or are you still trying to win?
do you, by chance, have the save file from the turn the rebellion happened?
could you upload it, and let us have a look,
i love a challenge,
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
perhaps we could make it a challenge to see who can recover best from the position,
- without cheating
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
(upload here - http://www.totalwar.org/site/MTWupload.php3
[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 10-13-2002).]
Lord Romulous
10-13-2002, 18:18
Quote Originally posted by Pragmatic:
If you, as the player, have no heirs when your king dies (or the heirs haven't come of age yet), you lose. Period. End of sentence.[/QUOTE]
this just happened to me playing the italians but it was really strange.
my king had no heirs he just kept on producing females. i had all the daughters going off to marry some prince or what ever but no males were born in time.
anyway my king dies. and i get this message saying civil war.
it gives me the two leaders of each side accept these two leaders have no men or proviences aligned to them. once i click which one i want to side with i go back to the strat map and all my proviences are gone replaced by grey (minor faction) proviencs. i have no armies or generals under my control. they are all grey. the two civil war leaders are no where to be seen.
funny thing is all my ships and bishops, spies etc are still there under my control.
the next turn half of my spies get killed cause of the defences i have in my ex proviences.
i have one diplomat left and send him to the nearst grey army (eg ex my army) and he is currently trying to bribe the army to come back into my now dead faction.
i dont understand, did i lose the game and now im getting the chance to rebuild again ? or is this some kind of bug.
what i dont get is if all my armies and proviences slip from my control why dont i lose my ships or strategic agents ?
anyone offer any insight ?
and what happend to those two generals who were the civil war leaders
wtf happened to them ?
[This message has been edited by Lord Romulous (edited 10-13-2002).]
Lord Romulous
10-14-2002, 07:33
bump.
please read my post above this one.
could someone tell me whether what happened to me when i ran out of heir is supposed to happen. the other thing i dont get is what happened to my general of royal decent ?
Hakonarson
10-14-2002, 09:22
It sounds like what's supposed to happen, except that the 2 leaders of teh sides are supposed to have some troops!! Maybe the elader you chose was the admiral of the fleet and only commanded a ship??!!
It sounds like you didn't have any generals of royal decent left - perhaps they all got killed?
are you certain you don't have an army holed up in a fort somewhere?
the rebels control the province, but your army still has the fort?
if you truly have Zero Troops - never seen it happen to me, sorry.
Mr Durian
10-14-2002, 13:34
too bad buddy...
Pragmatic
10-14-2002, 13:39
I'm assuming you've tried this, but it's worth a shot. If you have, please don't assume I'm being condescending.
In the lower left-hand corner of the screen, there are five buttons. The first button lists all generals. I'm assuming you've hit that, because you say you have no generals. The last (unless you're playing GA) lists all heirs/princesses.
I'd check those to make sure you're not missing something. Assuming you haven't already.
Quote Originally posted by Hakonarson:
It sounds like what's supposed to happen, except that the 2 leaders of teh sides are supposed to have some troops!! [/QUOTE]
Yes, this has happened to me once when my king died with no heirs. I had no generals and no heirs listed, but the full complement of strategic agents. It was fully weird - I could watch the game but not take any part in it .. I quit and then kicked myself for not saving the game first ..
kyodai-britishbeef
10-14-2002, 16:15
sorry barroca i dont have a save file near the event, i ws playing about 1 hour from my nearest save (i was so caught up in it) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Quote Originally posted by barocca:
kyodai-britishbeef,
did you quit the game?
or are you still trying to win?
do you, by chance, have the save file from the turn the rebellion happened?
could you upload it, and let us have a look,
i love a challenge,
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
perhaps we could make it a challenge to see who can recover best from the position,
- without cheating
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
(upload here - http://www.totalwar.org/site/MTWupload.php3
[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 10-13-2002).][/QUOTE]
I though the same : I would love to get saved games from really desperate positions and try to see how I fare. This precise situation looked to have potential. Any possibility to do that now or in the near future?
Ulug Beg
10-14-2002, 21:11
Strange thing happened to me playing Russia on Normal in the middle period. After about 100 years there is a change of ruling Prince (they don't have Tsars)and he is about 40 so I was a little concerned about him having time to reproduce. He was the youngest brother of the previous Prince, who had no sons, so the list of heirs was now empty.
He marries the following year, and in TWENTY years produces 1 daughter!! Then a son comes along when he is 61 and I think maybe there is a chance of the line continuing, as I have seen some rulers last into their 70s (Shogun rulers regularly did).
It is not to be. He pops his cloggs while his one and only son is 3 years old, and there is a civil war. The two sides are roughly even and both led by what appeared to be the now dead leader's older brothers, who since they were no longer heirs had been given titles and governorships.
I was fully expecting that having no heirs it would be the end of the game for me, and I was a bit miffed after having played for so long. As it happened, my new ruler, who had the same name as one of the dead prince's older brothers, was only 21! It took him 10 years to re-unite the empire and was rather fun. It is now 1387 and Mother Russia is doing rather well, thank-you very much.
There was a thread a while back about Generals not ageing and a responce from one of the developers was to think of the Generals as being families rather than individuals. That would make sense if Prince "Boris", or whatever, was the previous ruler's nephew rather than brother.
Quote Originally posted by kyodai-britishbeef:
sorry barroca i dont have a save file near the event, i ws playing about 1 hour from my nearest save (i was so caught up in it) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif[/QUOTE]
Sigh,
I will watch for similar events in my own campaigns, and try to save when it happens...
Save Files can be uploaded to the beta/test section, include a note describing which mods you have installed, and a little history leading up to the event - http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Lord Romulous
10-15-2002, 18:52
sorry for not replying sooner.
baroc i checked no i have no armies or generals that i can control.
and i have generals who used to be heirs but since turned into ordinary generals on the map, but they have all turned grey and i cant control them.
this sounds like a bug.
i have a saved game.
i saved it just after i picked the side to align with in the civil war. So it shows the strat map as all my proviences and armies as rebels but all my strategic agents and ships are under my control and in italian green.
(wished i had saved just before the king died and civil war declared.
[This message has been edited by Lord Romulous (edited 10-15-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by Lord Romulous:
sorry for not replying sooner.
baroc i checked no i have no armies or generals that i can control.
...i have a saved game.
i saved it just after i picked the side to align with in the civil war. So it shows the strat map as all my proviences and armies as rebels but all my strategic agents and ships are under my control and in italian green.
(wished i had saved just before the king died and civil war declared.
[This message has been edited by Lord Romulous (edited 10-15-2002).][/QUOTE]
could you please zip the save game and upload here http://www.totalwar.org/site/MTWbeta.php3
thanks
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B.
I uploaded a mass rebellion saved game call mass rebel.zip. Feel free to give it a shot.
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