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Hi All,
Just want to say I got my pre-ordered Rome game today that I ordered from Paradox and I have played it all morning so far and I can quite honestly say if you enjoy hearts of iron, crusader kings or EU3 this game is an absolute must.
The game is absolutley fantastic, the depth of the game is what I always wanted in RTW. Of course both games are different and EB has much greater depth than RTW vanilla this game by paradox provides a much different experience from EB - although not graphically or action orientated this game by paradox gives you intrigue, diplomacy, espionage plus the usual conquering.
I am currently playing as Rome from 278 BC I already have had a civil war which I won and I have created two vassal states.
I give it a 9/10. Well worth the cost and not any noticeable bugs since I have started.
Cheers
Denbo
Sounds interesting - It seems that I could enjoy this game I will try it, thanks for this recommendation.
Metalstrm
04-19-2008, 14:32
Well, I got it. And I'm quite disappointed to sy the truth. Ping-pong battle and too many minor skirmishes. Lack of supply considerations and reinforcement system also needs work. Plus the generic units. Only 5 units or 6 and they are all the same for all countries. Darn, was I disappointed?
HOI2 imo is much, much, much better.
Emperor Burakuku
04-19-2008, 15:07
Well, I got it. And I'm quite disappointed to sy the truth. Ping-pong battle and too many minor skirmishes. Lack of supply considerations and reinforcement system also needs work. Plus the generic units. Only 5 units or 6 and they are all the same for all countries. Darn, was I disappointed?
HOI2 imo is much, much, much better.
Paradox Games usually get better after modding. I like how they support the modding community.
General Appo
04-19-2008, 15:23
After trying out the demo, I´m waiting to buy EU:Rome until I´m convniced I will actually enjoy it. In the demo I keept having to fight Carthaginian attacks, only that even when I won they lost about 23 men out of 1000, and I lost about 3 men. Ridiculous. I do enjoy the prospect of finally being able to play as Massilia though, but the huge amount of "rebel" regions in the western part of the map kinda puts me off. If I understand right the entire Brittish Isles are "rebel" as well. Plus the map doesn´t expand far enough to the east to my liking. Plus (and yeah, this goes for the entire EU series) I really like being able to influence a battle once it has started.
Paradox games can easily be summed up: good ideas, poor programmers.
I have played their games from EU1 to EU3 and everything in between and I cannot play any more. EU1, released in 2000, was perfect. You can tell they spent a lot of time and energy getting it right. It had no major bugs. Every subsequent title has been of progressively lower quality. They had the engine, so all they did was slap together some new bits and pieces and threw it out the door. By the time Victoria came out in 2003, they were not even completing their games before they were released--and, indeed, Victoria still has not been completed.
They tried to use the system on WWII games and they're a joke. Grand strategy and a ten year time-frame don't mix.
Skip ahead to when the ditched the old engine last year in favor of a "3D" engine that was something out of 1997. They didn't bother to actually see if it worked right before they released EU3, which is an unmitigated piece of trash. Ugly, ungainly, poor mechanics, featureless.
They release a game in a barely-stable state and then complete it with periodical patches. EU2, admittedly the only Pox game I still occasionally play, wasn't "finished" until patch 1.07, two years after it was released.
If you ask for help on their tech support forums, the gist standard response is "shut up, you should be grateful they make games for you".
But they see no reason to reform their methods because they have a legion of "fanbois" who would buy a DVD box full of feces if it had a Paradox label on it and would hail it as the greatest game they ever played. I suppose all game companies that that cadre, but most don't take their only feedback from them.
I see not reason to think that they have reformed themselves in the last year and EB: Rome will be any different. I cannot endorse their poor standards and their poor service by giving them money.
my friend gave me his copy of EU 3, so I played it for a bit before I uninstalled it. I doubt eu rome will be any different. the fact that major fighting doesn't really destroy army stacks is really really annoying. basically you have to chase that stack with your own stack all over the provinces get old really really fast. most province sieges take months to years, I mean my army is 20k while the garrison is only 1k, what a joke. and then to get the province, the only way is to demand for the provinces you have already occupied through the sue for peace option. I mean every single one of a country's provinces is under my control, why the hell would I need to sue for peace + negotiating for? if all EU series plays like this, ppl needs to stop saying how good of a campaign game the EU series provides, if this is all there is to it.
also, modding? have you guys actually seen the mods list? you can count the major mods on a single hand. from what I have read, EU 3 got more hardcoded limits than any total war game.
zzrowgraff
04-19-2008, 20:40
I wasn't fond of the EU series, but the Total Realism Project (http://www.totalrealismproject.com/) mod for Hearts of Iron 2 Doomsday Armageddon is outstanding. I think it is by far the best WW2 strategy game available. Also check out mods at http://www.terranova.dk/.
~:cheers:
ZG
Elmetiacos
04-19-2008, 21:20
They release a game in a barely-stable state and then complete it with periodical patches. EU2, admittedly the only Pox game I still occasionally play, wasn't "finished" until patch 1.07, two years after it was released.
Not really true; EU2 was playable from the start, but several subsequent patches improved gameplay mainly from an exploit prevention and historical accuracy point of view. Same with Crusader Kings, same with EU3. I was never that much into Hearts of Iron.
Not really true; EU2 was playable from the start, but several subsequent patches improved gameplay mainly from an exploit prevention and historical accuracy point of view. Same with Crusader Kings, same with EU3. I was never that much into Hearts of Iron.
I didn't say it wasn't playable. People will play just about anything. But it was quite unstable and CTDs were not appreciably reduced until at least 1.05 and Paradox themselves said that 1.07 was the "complete" version. It's also the version which they re-released packaged with Svea Rike III.
I didn't say it wasn't playable. People will play just about anything. But it was quite unstable and CTDs were not appreciably reduced until at least 1.05 and Paradox themselves said that 1.07 was the "complete" version. It's also the version which they re-released packaged with Svea Rike III.
To be honest, in my HoI: 2 DD, just trying to alter anything in the USA Cabinet makes my game CTD.
EDIT: Plus, it's with the 1.2 patch
Tancredii
04-20-2008, 15:30
Aren't there already threads from the EB volunteering to help make EU-Rome a better game?
It's actually quite boring. Ping pong battles - huge armies, lack of research. In fact I nearly binned it. However I think in time it will be a much better game. So back to EB until someone makes EU-Rome worth bothering with.
I'd also like it to start just a wee bit earlier so i can play as Oscans.
Jayavarman
03-06-2009, 23:08
Ping-pong has been fixed.
HunGeneral
03-07-2009, 00:30
Interresting.
I have been thinking on buying Europe Universalis 3. Although I got mixed news about it. In many ways I heard it was good if you really wanted a primarily "head of the state" camapign than it was great but you shouldn't even dream about battle leading.... What really made me consider was the period it played in and that all nations are playeable...
Ping-pong has been fixed.
Hey Jayavarman, so you registered here just to say that? Welcome to the .org!
A Terribly Harmful Name
03-07-2009, 01:03
Ping Pong "fixed"? LOLLER.
Right now I'm getting a persistent CTD just by clicking at the map in EU3. Let's just say that when compared to EB and the TW series, the only game that doesn't suck straight away is the good old EU2. EU3 is a generic piece of trash that as bonus hurts just to look at and tuned me down in the first instant I played, being barely enjoyable with mods.
But then that's not a subject for the EB forums. Excuse me.
I for one have quite enjoyed trying to make Brunei an Asian superpower, as well as trying to survive the cutthroat politics of the holy roman empire. I'm not very fond of the ping-pong battles either, but I haven't tried any patch since 1.1.
Woreczko
03-08-2009, 08:58
my friend gave me his copy of EU 3, so I played it for a bit before I uninstalled it. I doubt eu rome will be any different. the fact that major fighting doesn't really destroy army stacks is really really annoying. basically you have to chase that stack with your own stack all over the provinces get old really really fast.
Annoying, as it may be, this is quite realistic. Most of the time a loosing army in pre XIX c. did not suffer terrible casualties. Often only a small number of men engaged in the actual combat before general rout started. Paradox games are in this aspect much more realistic, than TW, where player literally destroys whole armies during battle. And as for chasing an enemy army back and forth, just look, how most of the campaigns really looked like. Charles XII in Poland/Russia? English and French during HYW?
most province sieges take months to years, I mean my army is 20k while the garrison is only 1k, what a joke.
A joke? May I recommend a read on siege of Antwerp, of Smolensk, of Constantinople, of Gdansk, of Breda....
and then to get the province, the only way is to demand for the provinces you have already occupied through the sue for peace option. I mean every single one of a country's provinces is under my control, why the hell would I need to sue for peace + negotiating for?
Then why the hell do you need to sue for peace? You can keep these provinces occupied as long as you wish to.... Or perhaps your coffers run dry? Now, ask yourself, why didn`t Swden annex P-L during 1st Northern War? Why nazi Germany could not end the war in the east, despite having occupied such a large swathes of territory? The answer is.... their enemies did not see fit to accept a loss and boy, where they right.
Annexing territory is much more difficult than just capturing a provincial capital. We don`t see much world conquests in reality, do we? Paradox games simulate this in a crude manner, but are still more effective at this aspect than Total Wars.
EU:III+Expansions was quite fun but EU:Rome.
EU:Rome is crud, mainly because of the character system, you have to micro-manage the charactors to hell, namely army controlling ones. If you let a general lead any army more then a month he will get power hungry and rebel, meaning you have to micromanage everything.
I'll admit the main problem I have with the whole series is that nations will not accept peace....ever! I can have somehting like 50% war in my favour and they will not accept peace even if I demand 10% worth of concessions, this can continue for the entire war with me getting more and more in front until I controll every single province of theirs and have god awful amounts of war exhaustion and so I am forced to annex their entire country just to make them accept peace. So THAT is how Pergammon went from a single territory to controlling the entire eastern half of the map and all of africa and the Iberian peninsula with Rome as a single territory tribute paying state and the gaul tribe mess still fighting it out. Fun but just not quite enough ability to effectively roleplay wars.
I'll admit the main problem I have with the whole series is that nations will not accept peace....ever! I can have somehting like 50% war in my favour and they will not accept peace even if I demand 10% worth of concessions, this can continue for the entire war with me getting more and more in front until I controll every single province of theirs and have god awful amounts of war exhaustion and so I am forced to annex their entire country just to make them accept peace. So THAT is how Pergammon went from a single territory to controlling the entire eastern half of the map and all of africa and the Iberian peninsula with Rome as a single territory tribute paying state and the gaul tribe mess still fighting it out. Fun but just not quite enough ability to effectively roleplay wars.
I never had this problem in EUIII, diplomacy always seemed to work in it. Though In that game at least, it tends to penalize you a lot for going to war. Unlike the TW series which war always happens.
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