V&V that don\'t add up and dissapearing Command points?

[Vertigo024]

Well it seems like somethings in this game doesn't add up like 2+2=4.

I have a commander that has 2 V&V that adds up to 4 dread but is only listed as having 1. This is only possible if you can have negative dread, a V&V that doesn't show on the list or it's bugged.

And for some reason my king keep winning battles and losing command points. For some reason I though winning battles would raise your command rating, but this king is going the other way. When he began his reign he started as a 4-star, but now he is a 2-star. Yes admit he lost one star to a vice but the last star is beyond me to understand how he lost.

And just for the record: He has won every battle he has been in, never retreated, routed, auto-resolved etc etc. And as with the V&V issue this can only be explained with a hidden vice or it's bugged

[TenkiSoratoti]

couldbe right about bugs but was your general idle in battle ??

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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."

[barocca]

What are his V&V's??
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

I had a good general giving poor morale in battle, check and double check and he had no bad V&V - turned out another general in his army stack was having an effect!!

It has been suggested that ALL the generals in the army contribute to or detract from the morale/valour of that army!!

and i really hate saying this,
but i cannot find THAT thread !!!

- however here are 2 more on the same topic!!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001417.html
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001666.html

i'll keep looking for the other thread...

[Vertigo024]

OK as for the problem with the V&V's not adding up I reloaded my save game and for some reason it adds up again, must be some glitch in the display of his attributes well well.

But as for my king losing stars. His V&V are as follows Secret Pride(-1 Command, +3 valor) Great Builder.

I can understand him losing 1 star, but 2? He has been leading most of my battles against HRE. And why would my Royal Knights sit idle during a combat? I use them for crushing flanking manouvers and slashing down some routers all the time. After all the King should go in front with a good example http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

And it's quite annoyinghaving spent all this time killing off totally useless 0-Zero rating heirs (I think sent 6-7 other heirs on suicide attacks) to make this 4 star heir King, just to see his stars dissapear for no reason and the fact that this carries over to his heirs *grumble*

[Vertigo024]

And I have moved him away from the army to see if any of the other commanders affect his ratings, but it still stays the same, 1 missing star with no apparent reason to why it's gone.

[barocca]

all i can offer is to watch my heirs and see what happens to them when they become king,

i vaguely remember something similar, i put it down to "user error" - ie my mistake.

[Swoosh So]

barocca can the (second) general have an effect on morale if the first is still in command?

[Vertigo024]

Well I'm 110% sure he was a 4-star when he became king. I wouldn't kill off all those heirs and my king and fail to notice he was a 4-star.

[TheLastEuropean]

Here's a good one! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

I got my King up to 7 stars (6 plus skilled attacker & defender). The influence was maxed out too. He was churning out nice heirs with 4 or 5 command stars and nice V&V's when suddenly, out popper an heir with 8 command stars and a valour of 9! The King was over 60 by now so I 'lost him in battle' along with 2 sons to make the 8-command/9-valour heir the new king. Influence had dropped to 7 or 8. Oh boy, am I going to get some stonking heirs now I thought.

Nope. The next heir was born with zero command. ZERO!!! (well even that's not actually right but I'll come back to that in just a mo) I was astounded to say the least. "Ah well, there is ALWAYS one!" I thought. Nope, next heir came out at zero command. Zero!! That's ZERO!!! Which now makes 2 heirs with zero command from a 8-star, 9-valour, 8-influence king!

But that's not the end. Since the King died soon after with no more heirs I was forced to continue the game using one of these retards for the new king. Resigning myself to that I began seeking some battles to boost his stats. Here's the clincher - It seems they never had zero command at all. It was actually NEGATIVE since after 7 battles I had gained only 1 measly bloody star!

What the hell gives??? I just don't get that at all! Negative command ratings from super-duper mega-kings?????

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[pdoan8]

IIRC, V&V value don't addup correctly will be fixed in the patch.

[barocca]

Quote Originally posted by Swoosh So:
barocca can the (second) general have an effect on morale if the first is still in command?[/QUOTE]

There was a post that raised this discussion, it is the one i cannot find, and i have looked long and hard, (I hate having to quote from memory without being able to point at the actual post),

I think all effects of generals in the stack are cumulative, BUT without confirmation i cannot say so definitavely,
It would explain a few oddities i have seen if this was the case.

[AgentBif]

Just weighing in... I too am annoyed by the F1 order of battle screen apparently not reporting correct unit stats. In particular, the affects of the general seem to be very inconsistent.

bif

[hrvojej]

I get alot of heirs who have tortured/traumatised V&Vs, which is -2/-3 to command. Maybe some of the problems you guys are having could be related to these?
And yes, the general's stats can go into negative, as far as I have noticed (piety and inquisitors, the negative command rating from Shogun). To the best of my knowledge (which is mostly based on the the f1 screen), the V&Vs applying to the valour are in effect for each unit individually, but morale V&V are not. Therefore, cowardly heirs who are not in command of the army will not have a penalty to morale. I posted these several of these questions some time ago here http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001826.html , along with some other ones, but I don't think I ever got an official answer to them (although I did get some info on some of the morale issues from Yuuki's article in Shogun Academy). It would be nice if we could get them, though. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-15-2002).]