Machimoi Epilektoi ?

[Barry Soteiro]

They are mentioned somewhere in the descriptions but they do not appear to be recruitable why ?????

Also why the machimoi aren't bearing the traditional egyptian headgear ? Will this be changed for EB2 ?

Would Machimoi revolted kingdom in Thebes had re-installed old egyptian military practices like chariotry ?

[Watchman]

Would Machimoi revolted kingdom in Thebes had re-installed old egyptian military practices like chariotry ?Why the **** would they re-introduce something that grossly archaic and pointless ? It's not like the old charioteer aristocracy had been around for centuries anymore anyway.

[Barry Soteiro]

Why the **** would they re-introduce something that grossly archaic and pointless ? It's not like the old charioteer aristocracy had been around for centuries anymore anyway.

Because they wanted to resurect all the aspects of "true" Egypt before the decline ?

[Hax]

Didn't have any effect, whatsoever I believe.

Besides, why take up an entire unit slot just to represent one rebellion.

[Watchman]

Because they wanted to resurect all the aspects of "true" Egypt before the decline ?Their problem. In any case they would have been direly lacking the entire rather large, complex and specialised infrastructure the raising and maintaining of the great chariot fleets of olden times required - nevermind now that cavalry was by far more cost-effective, so that contemporary armies in the East wielded easily ten times the number of horsemen compared to the chariotry the Late Bronze Age empires could mobilize at their heydays.

[Barry Soteiro]

So what the army of the revolted egyptians of the ptolemaic would have looked like ? what would have been their elites ?

[Hax]

..what elites?

[Barry Soteiro]

..what elites?

each army had some kind of elites so I assume the egyptian who revolted in thebes during the ptolemaic period had also some elite kind of soldier, I want to know how they looked like ?

[Aranor]

So what the army of the revolted egyptians of the ptolemaic would have looked like ? what would have been their elites ?

I think what Hax and Watchman are trying to say is that the any Egyptian natives that rebelled against the Ptolemaic Dynasty would have been poor farmers and the pesantry of the countryside ( correct me if Im wrong here guys) so they would not have had any "elite" troops as you put it. That means no elite infantry, heavy cavalry or Chariotieers (Egyptology is not a strong point of mine so anyone with a better understanding of what he is asking please feel free to correct me!:grin: ).

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Egyptian revolts were peasant revolts, not an organized nation rising from the ashes.

What do you mean by traditional Egyptian headwear? Those silly pharoah hats that the vanilla guys wore?

[Barry Soteiro]

Egyptian revolts were peasant revolts, not an organized nation rising from the ashes.

What do you mean by traditional Egyptian headwear? Those silly pharoah hats that the vanilla guys wore?

I think the theban revolt managed to live for some kind like 20 years so they may have developped some kind of elites ?

for the headwear i'm not talking about the pharaonic ones but you konw the thig the peasants wore ,in EB machimoi have an helmet in EB2 maybe some of them czn have this typical headwear dunno the name sorry

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Most likely those that were the "warriors" after the revolt simply armed themselves with Ptolemaic weapons and armor that they took off of those they killed. Plus, Alexander and those after him had proven that the Hellenistic way of fighting could win battles. That is why factions like Pontos, who weren't really Hellenistic, Hellenized themselves. Why would you revert to the ancient style of combat that you know your enemies could and did defeat many times?

[paullus]

the machimoi of the phalanx were in fact the machimoi epilektoi. they held estates much larger than those of other machimoi, the rest of whom served as local policemen/guard units, in the navy, or in various light capacities. What we need to understand about Egyptian native revolts was that military training and capacity frequently precedes revolt. Men with military experience are frequently the men of action needed to instigate and fight a revolt, even if they may not have been the planners or "leaders." The Egyptian native armies would have consisted of men from the Ptolemaic machimoi phalanx and other machimoi roles. They sometimes had allies or auxiliaries from Nubia as well. If they had an elite, we don't know much about them. Its possible, though, given Hellenization processes, that Greeks, Hellenizing barbarians and Hellenizing Egyptians participated in some of these revolts, and they, with larger land allotments, may have occupied some higher positions in the military. The vast majority of the rebels would have been Egyptians though, and most of--perhaps all--the soldiers would have been actual machimoi, not peasant rabble.