When was Liguria settled by the Romans?

[QuintusSertorius]

This is a question related to my timeline which takes on a significant gameplay aspect: Segesta is vital for getting the Polybian reforms before the end of the Second Punic Wars.

Only problem is with my meagre resources I can't find evidence Liguria was settled until well into the second century BC. I've seen maps for 218BC which don't include Liguria as a Roman holding.

Although I've also seen references to wars fought there against the Ligurian and Celto-Gallic tribes in the 230sBC, and it not being finally pacified until 154BC. Then there's this (http://www.unrv.com/provinces/gallia.php)brief missive:


Genua - Originally Ligurian, Genua had been Roman since 218 BCE, except for a few years when Hannibal captured it.

There must be a reason why it's included among the conditions for an earlier-than-200BC Polybian reform.

Help!

[konny]

The German wikipedia says that the Romans started the subjgation of the Ligurians in the year of the war for Sardinia and Corsica (238 BC).

(Source (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurer)) (Source (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/238_v._Chr.))

[QuintusSertorius]

Which confirms my "230sBC" idea. Perhaps the best thing to do is raid and hold it then, and let it rebel or gift it to another faction before re-taking it later.

[sugacapra]

The German wikipedia says that the Romans started the subjgation of the Ligurians in the year of the war for Sardinia and Corsica (238 BC).

(Source (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurer)) (Source (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/238_v._Chr.))

for what i remember (but this hold in my memory..so please hurt me plenty..)
Romans have many fight with ligurian populations, and the Liguri were strong in combat, they fight almost bare without any kind of protection but some leather shield and were tattoed, but the stamina they have put many time the romans units in scare.

When Hannibal pass on the alps (2nd punic war, and indeed, the first real world war :D) liguri and boi join immediately the punic .
(part of the great project of Hannibal was to set up rebellion in each italic populations that have some "hate" with the invading romans.

It's a pity that this fantastic mod (that i love so much) have no the ability or possibility to emulate the presence of fortified colonies or similar (castrum?) that are not "linked" strictly with map-zone.
(es, piacenza and cremona remain romans for all the 2nd punic war and don't give up to punic siege for all the 16 years.. they are inhabited by roman legionaries becoming colonist and are linked to "rome with bloodsteel")

[lobf]

(2nd punic war, and indeed, the first real world war :D)

:inquisitive:

Two (relatively) small Mediterranean powers duking it out is a world war?

[alatar]

:inquisitive:

Two (relatively) small Mediterranean powers duking it out is a world war?

My thoughts exactly, it is not even a european war.
As for world war, not remotely close.

[CaesarAugustus]

Well maybe the Roman-Macedonian conflict at the same time makes it more of a European war? :shrug: And perhaps the permanent forts in M2TW:K could be used to represent the fortified colonies in EB2...

[alatar]

Well maybe the Roman-Macedonian conflict at the same time makes it more of a European war? :shrug: And perhaps the permanent forts in M2TW:K could be used to represent the fortified colonies in EB2...
However it still doesn't involve most people north of the alps.

[antisocialmunky]

OR most of the world... The Only Reason(TM) that the Great War of 1914-1918 became known as WWI was because it involved most European powers AND their colonies. That's what made it a 'World War' - same with WWII, it drew on the whole world's man powers and resources. I mean, the Fall of the Tang Dynasty that killed around 36 million people was big, but not even THAT was a world war.

Hannibal's walk around the pond was pretty epic but don't exaggerate.

[Lysimachos]

IMHO the first world war is the Seven Years War...

But back to topic: Just another addition: After the carthaginian contingents in Spain had been finally defeated by Scipio, Hannibals youngest brother Mago sailed from the Baleares to Liguria in 205 and took Genua, which he hold until 203, when he was called back to Carthage (on which travel he died because of wounds he took earlier).
Don't know if that helps anyhow.

[Ibrahim]

IMHO the first world war is the Seven Years War...

But back to topic: Just another addition: After the carthaginian contingents in Spain had been finally defeated by Scipio, Hannibals youngest brother Mago sailed from the Baleares to Liguria in 205 and took Genua, which he hold until 203, when he was called back to Carthage (on which travel he died because of wounds he took earlier).
Don't know if that helps anyhow.

a-it was
b-no it ddn't help too much

[Lysimachos]

b-no it ddn't help too much

Well, as he is trying to replay the historical extension of rome, i thought he might consider giving it to carthage in those years or something like that.