The cheese steak thread.

[HoreTore]

yes, you asked for it, Banqou

First of all: What the hey is it? Where do you get it? How do you make it?

Secondly, does it make you evil if you eat it?

[Fragony]

Had one in Paris was pretty good, it's an instant heart attack though.

[spmetla]

There used to be a guy that ran a great little eatery near my house called "Phillysophical Deli," really great Philly Cheese Sandwiches with the addition of onions and mushrooms. Really greasy food food though and not good for the ol' circulatory system, but damn it tasted good. Not sure whether it would be authentic but it was good regardless. Too bad the guy went out of business, not much call for Philly Cheese in Hawaii I guess.

[Louis VI the Fat]

First of all: What the hey is it? Where do you get it? How do you make it?Dude. Just try Wiki, eh?


Cheesesteak:

Cheesesteak is a Philadelphia specialty. This city was founded by Greek colonists in the 17th century, hence the name. These founders brought the recipe for cheesesteak with them, so that they could daily be remembered of the taste of Ancient Grease.

:book:

[InsaneApache]

Cheesesteak is a Philadelphia specialty. This city was founded by Greek colonists in the 17th century, hence the name. These founders brought the recipe for cheesesteak with them, so that they could daily be remembered of the taste of Ancient Grease.

:laugh4:

[Adrian II]

Dude. Just try Wiki, eh?


Cheesesteak:


:book:OK. Let's be European about this. Just tell me they use Fourme d'Ambert for cheese. Say it now! I will be totally crushed and your revenge on me complete. :shame:

[Tribesman]

Philadelphia Mayor Ed Rendell, cooks outside Philadelphia can't produce an authentic Philly cheesesteak because, "first, they use good meat. You need the fattiest, stringiest meat to get a proper taste... The second mistake is, they use real cheese. Real cheese doesn't melt like Cheez Whiz... And third, when they fry their onions, they actually drain off the grease. You can't do that."[
Says it all .

[seireikhaan]

:beam:

I've only had (true)cheese steaks a couple times(four to be exact, well, kinda), and they were infinitely more delicious in the Philly area than anywhere else.

[Gregoshi]

There is a war in Philly as to who makes the best cheese steak. The two heavyweights are Geno's (http://www.genosteaks.com) and Pat's (http://www.patskingofsteaks.com/Site/Welcome.html). They are literally a stone's throw away from each other, opposite corners of an intersection. Geno's has a much higher public profile (compare websites) as does it's owner, the outspoken Joey Vento. There is a "right" way to order your cheese steak too. I don't know all the details but I do recall that you are supposed to say "wid" if you want it "with onions" and you just say "whiz" for Cheeze Whiz. As I recall, the staff will poke fun at you if you order like a newbie.

I've sampled both Pat's and Geno's cheese steaks. Alas, there were too many years between eating each to compare which is best, but I do recall they were both excellent. :2thumbsup:

[gaelic cowboy]

Could someone please explain what a cheesesteak is it sounds horrendous. on a side note has everyone noticed how everything in America seems to come with cheese. I once had something called a country fried steak in Rapid City truly awful. Steak should be rare to medium depending on quality and always with chips nuff said thread ended.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I hate onions, so I avoid them. I'd rather have a steak steak.

[Adrian II]

On a side note has everyone noticed how everything in America seems to come with cheese.No. And the New York pastrami sandwich - one of God's great gifts to mankind - certainly doesn't. :no:

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8655/newyorkpastramisandwichlc3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[gaelic cowboy]

I hate onions, so I avoid them. I'd rather have a steak steak.

So it's what some steak with cheese and onions this is a crime against nature cheese is not meant for this I say join me in saying down with this sort of thing.

[gaelic cowboy]

No. And the New York pastrami sandwich - one of God's great gifts to mankind - certainly doesn't. :no:

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8655/newyorkpastramisandwichlc3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)


That looks nice bit big though course New York almost counts as France in Texas.

[Rhyfelwyr]

No idea what pastrami is, but that picture sums up why the US is such a fat nation.

Oh wait, we Scots just overtook them for obesity. I suppose thats what we get for spending all our lunch money on sweets and eating Deep Fried Pizzas and Deep Fried Mars Bars.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You know, you can order them without onions. That's what I do.

Gregoshi hit most of the main points, but I will add that there's a certain type of bread that is required to complete the steak. They are known as Amaroso rolls (from the Amaroso Baking Compant). Geno's uses them; Pat's doesn't (one of the reasons why I prefer Geno's).

Also, a lot of the people who eat at those two places are labelled tourists because they only go where it's famous and not where it's actually good. My favorite cheesesteak place is Tony Luke's, which is a short way's off from P&G.

[gaelic cowboy]

No idea what pastrami is, but that picture sums up why the US is such a fat nation.

Oh wait, we Scots just overtook them for obesity. I suppose thats what we get for spending all our lunch money on sweets and eating Deep Fried Pizzas and Deep Fried Mars Bars.


I believe pastrami is some kind of mechanically recovered meat like corn beef or a bog standard sausage people put it in bread never realising what it really is :no:

[Adrian II]

I believe pastrami is some kind of mechanically recovered meat like corn beef or a bog standard sausage people put it in bread never realising what it really is :no::brood:

Peasant!

[gaelic cowboy]

:brood:

Peasant!

Yes I am and were taking over:whip:

[Samurai Waki]

I'd rather have a Rare or Medium Rare Ribeye any day of the week.

[Ice]

I use to eat a bunch of them until I figured out how unhealthy they were (more like started to care).

The school makes a decent one, although many of my coworkers from Philly insist it is crap compared to a "real one".

I usually just get provolone cheese, steak, peppers, and onions. It's damn good if it's put on the correct kind of bread.

Edit:


I'd rather have a Rare or Medium Rare Ribeye any day of the week.

I'd prefer if the cow stopped mooing and was dead as I'm eating it.

[Proletariat]

The best way to make these if you're too far to bother driving to Philly is to call your butcher and have him freeze some ribeye. It has to be frozen so he can slice the meat razor thin. In a pinch though, you can hit the Vietnamese market and grab some of the ribeye they have sliced for pho.

If you can't get the Amaroso rolls, try getting fresh baked Italian sub bread. Something with a very soft inside and a flaky, almost crusty outside.

The biggest thing cheesesteak newbs do outside of Philly is get too fancy. No lettuce, tomato, avacado, or mayo. Leave that fancy stuff for the hoagies. All you need is Cheez Whiz, the right meat, the right rolls, and onions.

I can never finish one, it's really unhealthy. But it's the perfect kind of junk food for football weather with a nice light, unhealthy beer to wash the grease out of your throat between bites.

:2thumbsup:

[Ice]

The biggest thing cheesesteak newbs do outside of Philly is get too fancy. No lettuce, tomato, avacado, or mayo. Leave that fancy stuff for the hoagies. All you need is Cheez Whiz, the right meat, the right rolls, and onions.

I disagree. Lettuce and peppers make it even better. :2thumbsup:


I can never finish one, it's really unhealthy. But it's the perfect kind of junk food for football weather with a nice light, unhealthy beer to wash the grease out of your throat between bites.
:2thumbsup:


Spoken like a true American.

[Proletariat]

Spoken like a true American.

'Bacon up that sausage, boy.'

'But daddy! My heart hurts!'

[Geoffrey S]

Oh, I loved this about the US. On holiday the rest of the family soon gave up a breakfast, lunch and meal (let alone desserts!). All except me. Dear lord I stuffed myself with the delicious steak sandwiches, or whatever else looked good, for breakfast and lunch, and a massive plate full of fresh American produce (I hope!). And the desserts! The Dutch can learn a lot from that, and from simple delicious meals with a minimum of ingredients and a maximum of taste.

Unhealthy, massive and so tasty.

And the best part? Despite four weeks of that, only went from 61 to 63 kilos. :laugh4:

[Ice]

'Bacon up that sausage, boy.'

'But daddy! My heart hurts!'

It's "dad". :2thumbsup:

More great fatherly advice from Homer Simpson.

[Strike For The South]

Galeic Cowboy you had your Chicken fried steak in Iowa. Thats your problem right there. Middle America rarley gets anything right ,food elections not to mention they have some werid thing about being German that just gets under my skin nice looking girls but usually very niave. At true chicken fried steak comes with taters gravy and a gallon of iced tea. Thats some good eats.

[Ice]

Galeic Cowboy you had your Chicken fried steak in Iowa. Thats your problem right there. Middle America rarley gets anything right ,food elections not to mention they have some werid thing about being German that just gets under my skin nice looking girls but usually very niave. At true chicken fried steak comes with taters gravy and a gallon of iced tea. Thats some good eats.

As much as I make fun of Texas, listen to the man here. Texas has some GOOD stuff to eat.

[Husar]

Ugh, it's this sort of thing that spouts fluids into all directions when you bite into it, like hamburgers, döner and the likes, never been into that sort of thing.

Well, today I'm going to have some baked camembert with cowberry sauce and half a pear at the university. Now that's something nice with cheese. :2thumbsup:

[seireikhaan]

Galeic Cowboy you had your Chicken fried steak in Iowa. Thats your problem right there. Middle America rarley gets anything right ,food elections not to mention they have some werid thing about being German that just gets under my skin nice looking girls but usually very niave. At true chicken fried steak comes with taters gravy and a gallon of iced tea. Thats some good eats.
:shifty:

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[LittleGrizzly]

After reading through this thread on an empty stomach i have decided "I WANT ONE!!" it sounds like some glorified cheese burger, only with a steak instead... perfect.

[Andres]

Sorry for my ignorance, but are you guys saying that this cheese steak is like a cheeseburger but with steak (steak as in filet pur or chateaubriand) instead of the burger?

:jawdrop:

I'm speechless...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for my ignorance, but are you guys saying that this cheese steak is like a cheeseburger but with steak (steak as in filet pur or chateaubriand) instead of the burger?

:jawdrop:

I'm speechless...

It's generally round/rump steak, and don't forget about the bigger roll than a cheeseburger.

[InsaneApache]

Sounds nice with a good Stilton or strong Danish blue on top. Can you get Stilton in America?

[Andres]

Well, it sounds like blasphemy, but on the other hand, I'm intrigued.

Maybe I'll try out I'll ask my wife to try out the recipe mentioned in the wiki article.

[KukriKhan]

Sounds nice with a good Stilton or strong Danish blue on top. Can you get Stilton in America?

It's illegal in 47 States:


A 2005 study carried out by the British Cheese Board claimed that when it came to dream types, Stilton cheese seemed to cause odd dreams, with 75% of men and 85% of women experiencing bizarre and vivid dreams after eating a 20 gram serving of the cheese half an hour before going to sleep.

[Gregoshi]

The steak is a top round, top sirloin or rib eye cut of beef - sliced thin and chopped up as it is cooked. Here's a fairly large picture of a cheesesteak so you can see the detail of this delicacy (eating so bad shouldn't taste soooo good). Actually, now that I look at it again, this picture looks like a Pizzasteak (cheesesteak with a pizza sauce). Anyway, same idea.

https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/gbresslr/Org%20Pictures/PatsCheesesteak.jpg

[Beirut]

No. And the New York pastrami sandwich - one of God's great gifts to mankind - certainly doesn't. :no:

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8655/newyorkpastramisandwichlc3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)


A fine looking sandwich, sir. :chef:

But if we are to render our discourse into the realm of absolutes, then I give you...


Schwartz's Smoke Meat in Montreal.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/Montreal-Smoke_Meat.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/schwartz2.jpg

[InsaneApache]

It's illegal in 47 States:

Somehow I don't think your joking. :shame:

I love it, so I reckon there's more for me then. :2thumbsup:

[KukriKhan]

Somehow I don't think your joking. :shame:

I love it, so I reckon there's more for me then. :2thumbsup:

Sorry, old chum - I was poking fun at my country's tendancy to outlaw products that induce any kind of psychotropic effect. My bad :shame:

[InsaneApache]

Sorry, old chum - I was poking fun at my country's tendancy to outlaw products that induce any kind of psychotropic effect. My bad :shame:

No mate, more fool me. :laugh4:

[Adrian II]

Sorry, old chum - I was poking fun at my country's tendancy to outlaw products that induce any kind of psychotropic effect. My bad :shame:On the contrary, a good one!

I was going like 'WHAT? Wait, no, this CAN'T be true...' :computer:

[Ice]

Sorry for my ignorance, but are you guys saying that this cheese steak is like a cheeseburger but with steak (steak as in filet pur or chateaubriand) instead of the burger?

:jawdrop:

I'm speechless...

I knew the cheese steak was an American type food, but I would have assumed they would had some variation in Europe.

[Pannonian]

I knew the cheese steak was an American type food, but I would have assumed they would had some variation in Europe.
There's the fabled deep fried mars bar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar), although that seems to be a joke recipe rather than a cultural fixture. Another notorious item is hakarl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1karl).

[Ronin]

The closest thing you´ll find over here:

Francesinha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesinha)

it´s a sandwich...but you do need to eat it with a knife and fork though...

http://escapadelas.com/files/francesinha.jpg

yummy :yes:

[Ronin]

There's the fabled deep fried mars bar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar), although that seems to be a joke recipe rather than a cultural fixture.

I think I just puked a little bit in my mouth...:fainting:

one would hope that´s just a joke.

[HoreTore]

https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/gbresslr/Org%20Pictures/PatsCheesesteak.jpg

That looks.... really, really awful. I can almost taste the grease in my mouth from here.

Don't really care if it's good or not, that thing won't enter my mouth. Ever. Ditto for the cholesterol with loaf Adrian showed off...

[Kagemusha]

What is this healthy inquisition about? First we have beef with melted cheese on white bread which is sooo disgusting and unhealthy and next Adrian posts a picture of ham with mustard on white bread and because the ham has Italian name, its soo delicious and healthy. Meat is good for you!Your brains also need fat to function properly!:hide:

[Adrian II]

Ditto for the cholesterol with loaf Adrian showed off...We're talking about food here, not chemistry or forensics!

Only 3% of body cholesterol comes from your food, the rest is produced by your own tasteless self, Mr HoreTore. The liver regulates the level; the more cholesterol you take in through your food, the less cholesterol your own body synthezises.

Ridiculing pastrami sandwiches, ha!

Nitwits. :balloon2:

[HoreTore]

What is this healthy inquisition about? First we have beef with melted cheese on white bread which is sooo disgusting and unhealthy and next Adrian posts a picture of ham with mustard on white bread and because the ham has Italian name, its soo delicious and healthy. Meat is good for you!Your brains also need fat to function properly!:hide:

But there is sooooooooooooo much of it... And not even some salad to help.

And the grease. Gah, I shudder when I think about it.

[Ronin]

But there is sooooooooooooo much of it... And not even some salad to help.

And the grease. Gah, I shudder when I think about it.

this kind of food is not to be consumed when you are in your normal state of mind....and so able to worry about the fat content..

no...

this sort of thing is eaten at 5 in the morning on a weekend night...you have been out with the guys, you´re a bit tipsy, you´re eating out of a caravan-bar in a street in the middle of Lisbon, you´re hungry as hell and at the moment who gives a crap about fat content!?!?!?! :laugh4:

speaking from personal experience at least :2thumbsup:

[Vladimir]

this kind of food is not to be consumed when you are in your normal state of mind....and so able to worry about the fat content..

no...

this sort of thing is eaten at 5 in the morning on a weekend night...you have been out with the guys, you´re a bit tipsy, you´re eating out of a caravan-bar in a street in the middle of Lisbon, you´re hungry as hell and at the moment who gives a crap about fat content!?!?!?! :laugh4:

speaking from personal experience at least :2thumbsup:

Hmmm, that reminds me of drunken bacon cheese fries, with hot sauce. ~;p

[HoreTore]

this kind of food is not to be consumed when you are in your normal state of mind....and so able to worry about the fat content..

I never worry about "the fat content" or whether or the food I'm eating is healthy...

But I just don't like the taste of too much grease and fat. It makes the food taste like hell, plain and simple. It's hard to swallow, really.

I'd rather stick with my old and trusty 'bab...

[InsaneApache]

We're talking about food here, not chemistry or forensics!

Only 3% of body cholesterol comes from your food, the rest is produced by your own tasteless self, Mr HoreTore. The liver regulates the level; the more cholesterol you take in through your food, the less cholesterol your own body synthezises.

Ridiculing pastrami sandwiches, ha!

Nitwits. :balloon2:

This is true. I have become very knowledgable about this sort of thing since I discovered that my cholesterol was high. :yes:

[Gregoshi]

But I just don't like the taste of too much grease and fat...

Your taste buds must be dead or deprived HoreTore. :laugh4:

Don't you know FAT = FLAVOUR? The more fat, the more flavour. If you are eating foods with low/no fat, you might as well be eating cardboard - taste-wise, that is. So say I. :yes:

[KukriKhan]

this kind of food is not to be consumed when you are in your normal state of mind....and so able to worry about the fat content..

no...

this sort of thing is eaten at 5 in the morning on a weekend night...you have been out with the guys, you´re a bit tipsy, you´re eating out of a caravan-bar in a street in the middle of Lisbon, you´re hungry as hell and at the moment who gives a crap about fat content!?!?!?! :laugh4:

speaking from personal experience at least :2thumbsup:

I think you've hit it exactly.

0200 bier und wurst, 0500 brewski an' cheez-stake, sunrise cerveza y mariscos - same stuff, I think. Food for the 'lizard brain', more primative, part of us.

I'm a bit surprised that HoreTore, our resident advocate of things proletarian and simple, has such little appreciation for such fare.

[HoreTore]

Your taste buds must be dead or deprived HoreTore. :laugh4:

Don't you know FAT = FLAVOUR? The more fat, the more flavour. If you are eating foods with low/no fat, you might as well be eating cardboard - taste-wise, that is. So say I. :yes:

Look. There's a slight difference between having a shave and cutting your head off. :whip:

I don't eat low-fat stuff, as you say, that is cardboard. But there is such a thing as middle ground.

This is getting rather surreal to me actually, I'm usually being harassed by family, friends and particularly gf for eating way too unhealthy...

I should store this thread and show it to them every time they mention it from now on.. Should shut them up :smash:

EDIT: Also, the thought of using fake cheese really creeps me out... How on earth can that taste good?

[Adrian II]

I'm usually being harassed by family, friends and particularly gf for eating way too unhealthy...Kill them.

[Pannonian]

Kill them.
Then cook them and eat them, with cheese sauce.

[Andres]

It's not just the cheese sauce that made me speechless. But steak on a sandwich? Come on?

If this ever comes to Europe, I can already see it announced by our Dutch neighbours: "Broodje steak", right next to "Broodje Kroket".

"Broodje Kroket" looks like this:

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/broodjekroket-1.jpg

:no:

[Fragony]

Too late bubba it's already being sold at most Subways (not the train the broodjesboer), and I don't apreciate the dedain from the likes that see the snackbar as eating out.

[naut]

But steak on a sandwich? Come on?
Steak on a sandwich is pretty common here in Aus, pretty good too since most beef here is pretty decent quality. Add some bacon, onions, bbq/tomato sauce and some beetroot, and there you go a tasty meal.

[InsaneApache]

What is the Sub [TM] of the day on Friday?

[Adrian II]

What is the Sub [TM] of the day on Friday?It's fish. That stinking fish from Norway, to be precise. We are all going to cry 'Yuk!' and then propose our own favourite stinking fish as a far superior alternative.

Next week it's Irish stew. :yes:

[Gregoshi]

Then cook them and eat them, with cheese sauce.
:laugh4: Brilliant! Don't forget the onions.

[HoreTore]

It's fish. That stinking fish from Norway, to be precise. We are all going to cry 'Yuk!' and then propose our own favourite stinking fish as a far superior alternative.

I have a theory that the fish you're talking about is the greatest practical joke ever conceived.

[CountArach]

Steak on a sandwich is pretty common here in Aus, pretty good too since most beef here is pretty decent quality. Add some bacon, onions, bbq/tomato sauce and some beetroot, and there you go a tasty meal.
How could you not like Beetroot!?! That's it, you're out of the country... ~:wave:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Apparently, 'bacon dogs' are actually sold in LA:
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/29/drew-carey-presents-battle-of-the-bacon-dogs/ (NOTE: libertarian video with social commentary not intended as discussion here, but good shots of hot dogs actually wrapped in bacon. I think one day we'll be able to buy pretty much any meat product in bacon.)

Homer Simpson would be proud.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Aren't there some baseball stadiums where the sell hamburgers with donuts for buns and bacon instead of lettuce?

[Somebody Else]

Just so long as it moos when I prod it, I don't care how it's prepared.

[HoreTore]

Apparently, 'bacon dogs' are actually sold in LA:
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/29/drew-carey-presents-battle-of-the-bacon-dogs/ (NOTE: libertarian video with social commentary not intended as discussion here, but good shots of hot dogs actually wrapped in bacon. I think one day we'll be able to buy pretty much any meat product in bacon.)

Homer Simpson would be proud.

CR

They've been around here for years:

http://www.leiv-vidar.no/prodark/oste.pdf

Cheese sausage with a strip of bacon wrapped around it. Every gas station sells them here. As well as the 7-11 style stores.

Ate a ton of them when I was in the army. Every day the mess served fish, garbage or lasagna*, in fact...


their lasagna tasted so bad I'm no longer able to eat good-tasting lasagna without inducing vomiting.