All you photoshoppers out there with a desire to help out EB...

[keravnos]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/HaddaTypes.JPG

thanks to some amazing work the previous is done. Right now, if you feel like helping out go to the bottom of this post where all the available statues (which you hopefully bring back to life) are posted. To all thinking of doing this, you will be bringing some people who actually existed back into the living. This will enhance future versions of EB exponentially, if you know that the people who are your family members actually existed.

What you see here are two Indogreeks. Especially the guy on the left. Now, what I want you to do, if you feel like it, is to colour them into resembling real live humans, and I guarantee you they will be included into EB2.

Why do this?

Well, a big effort has been done by the team to gather up most of the rescued Hellenistic statues that have survived to this day. They are 60+ (and possibly more, if you people have some more we have missed). One of the things we would like to do, if possible, is to have those marble statues repainted into the people they originally were modeled after and introduce them into EB2. I personally can't imagine something more REAL than having the heads which did play part into forming the history of that time, back into action so to speak, even if under a different name.

I hope you want to do this, if you have the skills. I guarantee you that if you transform this into something that looks like a human (and 3 more down the line), GREAT THINGS will happen, such as being eligible for a "MEMBER" signature such as my own.

I want to thank you for reading this, and more so for taking the time to re-create a real live person who lived in the past. It would increase the historicity we strive for 100 fold.

If you can't help, well, try to encourage those who can. EB has always been a volunteer effort, and none of us is making a cent out of it. What we thrive on? Paint this picture to look like a real live human (if you can) and find out...
:yes:


--UPDATE--
The link you see in the first part of the page has been done. There are 7 more pics for you to choose from. I will try to organise them in nations/cultures...

Those that are being worked on would have this colour.

1. Romani.

I don't think this thread would be complete if there weren't two Romani around here.

I think the following ones are maybe two of the most influential of our period.

This guy went to Africa... Work has begun
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/PubliusCorneliusScipioAfricanus.jpg

This guy had a month named after him, Work has begun
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/JuliusCaesarinVaticanmuseum.jpg

First post will be updated with all of the pics for ease of use... ( and also to take back the Indogreeks in the first post. They are done, ready to go, so far as I am concerned.


2. Saka


this pointed hat Saka found in Dalverzine Tepe... what the Achaimenid Persians called Tigrakhauda Saka Work has begun on this one

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos2/PointedhatSakaDalverzineTepe.jpg

(leather, with metal studs on it, and an internal hat of some kind probably worn to keep it standing)

and a kushana king (which would double up for a Saka easily) depicted by IndoGreeks in the hellenistic/realistic manner,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/433.jpg




3. Greeks


So far as skin tones, variation is key. Your portraits are a great hallmark if you will of one end of the spectrum, Cmacq. Indeed southern greeks did look darker, but Northern ones were of lighter complexion. Baktrians and consequently IndoGreeks would include Thraikians and Illyrians so they would look more lighter than darker. So far as Thraikians are concerned in Ancient Greeks "Thraikian" was a synonym with "gingerhead". In Baktria proper, as well, Blonde and ginger colours weren't uncommon for the IndoIranians living there. I am not saying that they should all look like Nordic people, just that colour variation is key, I think.

Just to give you an example of how the people looked like, using the few scraps we have left...

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/Romanmummyportraitfayum2-4centCE3.jpg

Found in Fayum 2-4th cent. CE. Still, I am very confident that he is of Makedonian descent. In Fayum there was significant Makedonian/Hellene colonisation.

And the deffinite, Sampul tapestry, depicting a greek soldier found in present day Xinjiang, China, thought to be of Baktrian origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampul_tapestry
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/UrumqiWarrior.jpg

I must say that those guys above are the one end of the spectrum, with the more dark tanned pics of Cmacq being the other. Artists should feel free to wander between those two ends. I just posted them because Ancient greeks back then, whether they were Makedonian, Epeirotes, Athenians, Cretans or what have you, would incorporate many different characteristics, they weren't of one cut cloth, as it were.

---
As I am waiting for more of those statue "revitalisations" I think that 3+1 more statues should be given out.

Parmeneides from Elea, Work has begun on this one
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/PIC_1243.jpg

An unknown statue found in Delos,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/PIC_1108.jpg

Staying on in Gandhara and the IndoGreeks living there, here is another one, depicting either a God or some famous IG of the time, yet even if it was a depiction of a deity, it would have been modelled after a person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PoseidonGandhara.JPG

I think that after reconstructing the languages, music and weaponry, this is a valiant effort to figure out what those guys 2300 years ago actually looked like.

--The king of Pergamon, Attalos I--
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/AttalosofPergamon2160-150BCEBettym.jpg



4. Pahlavan
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue1.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Metalwork/Surena6.JPG

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Parthian_king.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Sanatrrg.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Stolen_Parthian_Statue_from_Hatra3.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Sculpture/Parthian_Head_Nisa.bmp

And last but not least:

http://www.livius.org/a/1/iran/parthian_prince.JPG

[Gebeleisis]

ill give it a try right now :)

[Aranor]

Let me finish off the Arverni for EBCIV and I will take a crack at them. To give me an idea of skin tone, were these men of direct Greek/Makedonian decent or of Iranian, Indian decent?

[Gebeleisis]

wip
https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip.jpg

[Olaf The Great]

I assume this is for family members and ancillaries?

BTW Gebe, good work.

[cmacq]

Let me finish off the Arverni for EBCIV and I will take a crack at them. To give me an idea of skin tone, were these men of direct Greek/Makedonian decent or of Iranian, Indian decent?

I believe that the ancient Dorian Greeks were more of a somewhat Indo-Iranian decent?

[ombudsman]

my WIP so far, i dont know, maybe too much of a western kind of feel? maybe darken him up abit more? what do you think about the hair, black or just darker brown?
https://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5453/haddatypeswipow9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[russia almighty]

he looks like the j-man......


which there is nothing wrong with that. Probably when you start up, you would get an option for instant win.

[Jaume]

I don't want to spoil the topic, but please don't forget that Greek Sculpture is very idealist, I mean they made perfect proportions and beautiful bodies even when the model was not this way.

Of course the artistic sources are the best representation of clasical era we have in the present, and they are the model to continuing for modern representations, but anyway don't ever make anything that is barbarian or illogical being based only in sculpture.

And of course this is not an attack to the EB team...

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well, the second one certainly looks like a (reference to) Zeus-Ammon (hair style) but other than that...

[Obelics]

ah, I tryed one, but it is really amateur...
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5854/ritratto1ej6.png

SHAME:shame:

[ombudsman]

ah, I tryed one, but it is really amateur...
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5854/ritratto1ej6.png

SHAME:shame:


i like it alot Obelics! i like the skin tone, with the red cheeks etc.
I can´t photoshop for sh*t but am still giving it a try, cause it´s fun and maybe, just maybe give something back to the EB team for all their hard work.:beam:

[Digby Tatham Warter]

ah, I tryed one, but it is really amateur...
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5854/ritratto1ej6.png

SHAME:shame:

Looks quite decent to me Obelics. Not to sure about the pink touches on the cheeks and partic the forehead, because wouldn't an Indogreek be slightly darker without the slightly pink from the sun forehead? Although the pink highlights do add some character enhancement.

[Obelics]

ah thanks, sure it was a funny exercise, important thing is to have reached at last the limit of the decency...:laugh4:

im sure there will be someone other who will pop up and completely amaze us!

[keravnos]

wip
https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip.jpg

Now that is certainly a good start. I don't know if you can try to make it look more like Obelics. Also, IndoGreeks didn't have a separate mustache from the rest of the beard. Thanks for that, I hope you stay with it.


my WIP so far, i dont know, maybe too much of a western kind of feel? maybe darken him up abit more? what do you think about the hair, black or just darker brown?
https://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5453/haddatypeswipow9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

No, it is OK. There are evidence that the Greeks and Makedonians who did came and settled in the Indus and the lands leading up to it (Paropamisadae, Gandhara, etc) did marry among themselves and their offspring would look something like that. Besides the climate in N. Indus isn't that different to that of Europe that those people came from. Himalaya (or Mount Imaos as the IG called it isn't that far away, or Hindu Kush or Paropamisos. Keep going on those lines and, if possible try to add some detail in the face. Great start!


ah, I tryed one, but it is really amateur...
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5854/ritratto1ej6.png

SHAME:shame:

Wow, this is something. This guy actually looks alive. A great effort, if I ever saw one. As I wrote earlier, he looks great. I don't know if there is a need to darken him up, as in the winter and spring he would deffinitely look something like that. Besides, the English in India didn't look like the native Indians did they? IndoGreeks would mingle with the local population, true, but that would happen mostly after the fall of the IG kingdoms. I love that pic, I do. :yes:

-Now, can you make an aged version of this guy as well, so that he may be used as a Family member as well?

Thanks a million people, keep working at the portrait, and also, "humanize" the other one as well.

My goal on this thread would be to "bring back to life" as many of the statues we have from the Hellenistic period as possible. Thank you again for your help.

[ombudsman]

ah thanks, sure it was a funny exercise, important thing is to have reached at last the limit of the decency...:laugh4:

im sure there will be someone other who will pop up and completely amaze us!

so true, i will keep trying until i got something close to looking like a real human, will just have to limit my posts with updates so i don´t spam this thread too much. :beam:
anyway, did guy number 2, though i think i went a little overboard with the white hair and wrinkles, not sure:
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1589/haddatypeswipsx1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
so what do you think? should i keep trying or am i just beating a dead cow, should i stop before someone bans me for butchering art?:sweatdrop:

thanks for the encouragement Keravnos!

[keravnos]

First off, you aren't butchering Art. It is a not so known fact that ancient greek statues were painted, Romani too. I am pretty sure when the statue would be created it would look something like that, with the paint and all.

I don't know if you can take it to the next level, aka making it look like a real live person. Unfortunately I am artistically challenged myself, and thus I can't offer some constructive criticism. Obelics seems to be getting there, I must say. Maybe follow his steps?

Great job on that greying hair.

[Gebeleisis]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip2.jpg
wip2

[Obelics]

thanks keranos really didn't hope it was decent, also good tryouts the other submissions too. I will try to make the aged version.:beam:

[Obelics]

here's my "aged" version of the guy:
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2103/vecchioce2.png

[Pezlu]

First try... I know he is WAY too light-toned, I'm going to darken it in next versions :P

Note that this is still a WIP, of course, it's far from finished... but I'd like to know if I'm going in the right direction.

https://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/SunShadow86/My%20WIP/Europa%20Barbarorum/HaddaTypes_v1.png

Any suggestions?

[Obelics]

Any suggestions?
im amateur like you, i think it's good, only problem for me is the eyes, it seems he have 2 jewels incastonated in the eyes. But i like it! (mi piace, continualo!)

[Pezlu]

im amateur like you, i think it's good, only problem for me is the eyes, it seems he have 2 jewels incastonated in the eyes. But i like it! (mi piace, continualo!)
Yes, I made the eyes way brighter than tehy should be, especially his left one :sweatdrop:

Yours is nice too!
Anche il tuo non è male!
(anzi, il colore è sicuramente più azzeccato :laugh4: )

And thanks for the support!

[Obelics]

è divertente a fa ste cose... domani provo con l'altro... può essere che abbiamo trovato una carriera...:laugh4:
(it was funny to do that, we have to try the other one too)

un saluto!

[ombudsman]

Been playing around with their skin tones a bit , will work abit more with number 2 when i get a chance, mostly the bald spot and hair. c&c would be most welcome, since it´s the first time im working with photoshop for something more then just doodling around without a plan.
did not think stuff like this would be so fun:beam:
I really like what you got going there Sunshadow, it´s looking very nice. and Obelics i like the aged version, like the wrinkles alot!

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1012/haddatypeswip2ao8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[M to the A]

Awesome idea, unfortunatelly I can't photoshop at all :shame: Now I'd love for someone to PS this guy!

http://edp.org/Germany/London/Alexander.jpg

[Gaivs]

Been playing around with their skin tones a bit , will work abit more with number 2 when i get a chance, mostly the bald spot and hair. c&c would be most welcome, since it´s the first time im working with photoshop for something more then just doodling around without a plan.
did not think stuff like this would be so fun:beam:
I really like what you got going there Sunshadow, it´s looking very nice. and Obelics i like the aged version, like the wrinkles alot!

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1012/haddatypeswip2ao8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Wow, they look great! Probably the best ones yet.

[cmacq]

Try a slightly darker hair, eye, and skin colour.


http://digital.lib.upenn.edu/women/edwards/pharaohs/99.gif
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Fayum-11.jpg/180px-Fayum-11.jpghttp://digital.lib.upenn.edu/women/edwards/pharaohs/97.gif
http://digital.lib.upenn.edu/women/edwards/pharaohs/103.gif

greek lady another greek lady young greek another young greek

I picked out the greek types.
Again, ancient Dorian Greeks, which to some extent include the Makos, were more of a somewhat Indo-Iranian type. Hellenic Greeks in many cases even more so. If you don't like these try looking at roman period art from southern Italy.

[keravnos]

I think the tones are fine. The one you posted would be a Fayum painting, from lower Egypt. So far as skin tones, variation is key. Your portraits are a great hallmark if you will of one end of the spectrum, Cmacq. Indeed southern greeks did look darker, but Northern ones were of lighter complexion. Baktrians and consequently IndoGreeks would include Thraikians and Illyrians so they would look more lighter than darker. So far as Thraikians are concerned in Ancient Greeks "Thraikian" was a synonym with "gingerhead". In Baktria proper, as well, Blonde and ginger colours weren't uncommon for the IndoIranians living there. I am not saying that they should all look like Nordic people, just that colour variation is key, I think.

Just to give you an example of how the people looked like, using the few scraps we have left...

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/Romanmummyportraitfayum2-4centCE3.jpg

Found in Fayum 2-4th cent. CE. Still, I am very confident that he is of Makedonian descent. In Fayum there was significant Makedonian/Hellene colonisation.

And the deffinite, Sampul tapestry, depicting a greek soldier found in present day Xinjiang, China, thought to be of Baktrian origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampul_tapestry
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/UrumqiWarrior.jpg

I must say that those guys above are the one end of the spectrum, with the more dark tanned pics of Cmacq being the other. Artists should feel free to wander between those two ends. I just posted them because Ancient greeks back then, whether they were Makedonian, Epeirotes, Athenians, Cretans or what have you, would incorporate many different characteristics, they weren't of one cut cloth, as it were.

@Obelics, I think that both your portraits are going in. (Obviously I am not the only one to have an opinion on this, but those are too good to not use, In my opinion). Only one thing missing... the neck. If you can place a neck in both those pictures (and clear up the rest of the pic showing the museum), they are deffinitely EB2 material. The last thing left to do would be the background. Something generic and ancient looking would do.

@Obundsman, I adore your creation. Especially the second one is really something. As with Obelics, a neck, a generic background and in your case an aged version would be needed.

@ Gebeleisis, I like the way you are progressing. However, I can clearly discern that your creation is painted over, whereas for both Obelics and Obundsman everyone looking at that wouldn't necessarily think it is. Maybe the colours in both their faces could have some bigger variation, dunno.

@ Sunshadow, he is "bleached" white. The eyes do look a bit like a jewel, I agree. However, if you can darken him up, give the face some more details (much like Obundsman did) this would look great indeed.

---
As I am waiting for more of those statue "revitalisations" I think that 3+1 more statues should be given out.

Parmeneides from Elea,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/PIC_1243.jpg

An unknown statue found in Delos,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos3/PIC_1108.jpg

and a kushana king (which would double up for a Saka easily) depicted by IndoGreeks in the hellenistic/realistic manner,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/433.jpg

Staying on in Gandhara and the IndoGreeks living there, here is another one, depicting either a God or some famous IG of the time, yet even if it was a depiction of a deity, it would have been modelled after a person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PoseidonGandhara.JPG

I think that after reconstructing the languages, music and weaponry, this is a valiant effort to figure out what those guys 2300 years ago actually looked like.

[Olaf The Great]

Been playing around with their skin tones a bit , will work abit more with number 2 when i get a chance, mostly the bald spot and hair. c&c would be most welcome, since it´s the first time im working with photoshop for something more then just doodling around without a plan.
did not think stuff like this would be so fun:beam:
I really like what you got going there Sunshadow, it´s looking very nice. and Obelics i like the aged version, like the wrinkles alot!

https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1012/haddatypeswip2ao8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
In my opinion, I would say with obelics eyes and your hair(for the left guy) would be perfect.

[Obelics]

@Obelics, I think that both your portraits are going in. (Obviously I am not the only one to have an opinion on this, but those are too good to not use, In my opinion). Only one thing missing... the neck. If you can place a neck in both those pictures (and clear up the rest of the pic showing the museum), they are deffinitely EB2 material. The last thing left to do would be the background. Something generic and ancient looking would do.

that would be great, anyway dont feel obliged, if you change your mind, or you find something better, feel free to discard it, there is really no problem:beam:

i tryed to put it on a neck anyway, as usally it is a completely amateur tryout, and based on a good amount of luck-factor, it's first time i try this:

https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6140/ritrattoig1sq4.png

i used a standard rtw portrait as base.

and this is the standard RTW size portrait (69X96 pixels, i dont know what is the standard size of m2tw portraits):
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4049/ritrattoig1piccolotk3.png

and another version with more hairs:
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7246/ritrattoig1piccolo2yx2.png

it should be converted in TGA format to be put in the game.
Still the neck colour doesn't perfectly match with the colour of the face.:wall:
I gave a golden colour to the ear-ring (thinking it is in the indian ambient) and a golden colour to the boss on the left side too.

[ombudsman]

very nice Obelics, would be interesting to know if that is an earring or not...I thought it was hair....anyway, i like the clothes, looking very good. maybe a slightly darker color on the neck to simulate the shadows? anyways im very impressed!:2thumbsup:
I havent been able to work much on mine, have studying to do, but fiddled around with the eyes and lighting, not sure if i like it though. i guess i could stop working on guy number 1, because of your awesome version of him, but its great fun so i think i´ll continue:beam:
https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7636/haddatypeswip3eyewa7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[Obelics]

ah, i really hope they were some ear-ring, or a sort of neck collar, i dont know, i loved the idea.
For the clothes i just used a standard RTW portrait. So i really didn't do that much...

yours is looking nice too in the latest versions, i thing the eyes are more vivid now, not sure on the light colour, but i like it:)

the second one isn't progressing well, so i will stop it and try could be the apollo of Gandhara for second. Anyway here's a wip picture of the second one:
https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6351/ritrattosecondo1copiazu6.jpg

[keravnos]

Well, for the life of me, I can't understand why you think this doesn't work. I would like to see an older version of it so that it would be included as well.

Anyways, your call.
Now, on that Apollo of Gandhara (or is it Poseidon, don't remember), you can always make the statue smaller, to make painting it easier. I thought that a bigger image would make it easier for you guys (with more details being visible and all), but feel free to make it smaller if you think this would be right.

This is an amazing turn of events, I must say. :smash: I never thought that there were so many talented folks in these boards...(EB has snatched the best ones already... :laugh4: )

[keravnos]

very nice Obelics, would be interesting to know if that is an earring or not...I thought it was hair....anyway, i like the clothes, looking very good. maybe a slightly darker color on the neck to simulate the shadows? anyways im very impressed!:2thumbsup:
I havent been able to work much on mine, have studying to do, but fiddled around with the eyes and lighting, not sure if i like it though. i guess i could stop working on guy number 1, because of your awesome version of him, but its great fun so i think i´ll continue:beam:
https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7636/haddatypeswip3eyewa7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Well, I thought too it was hair. To each his own, I guess. Your own version MUST be included as well. Studying is top priority, no doubt about that, you can finish this when you have time. I just hope you do, though, as the quality of your work would oblige EB to use it.

Magnificent eyes and lighting, if I may say so. Please don't stop working on n. 1, your own version would be a cousin of Obelics! :yes:

Neck for this one, an older version and it would be fantastic!

Right one is great looking as well! ;) (neck, older version, some clothes and background, much like Obelics did, you know the drill!)

Please, don't make them smaller in size than what is posted on the original thread, however, as some unit artists may use it as heads for units - They MAY, or they MAY NOT, it is just that the option has to be there. Thanks again!

[Obelics]

Well, for the life of me, I can't understand why you think this doesn't work. I would like to see an older version of it so that it would be included as well.

ok, thanks, then i will continue to work on the second one too. I have just to adjust the left side, and this night i will do the older version. Thanks for the feedbeack:beam:

So, could i stay with the golden ear-rings thing?

[keravnos]

Don't see why not, Bharrut Stupa shows Indians with big and bright earrings.
Besides, on the basis that Obundsman finishes his, this way the confusion for them would be minimised.

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/SanchiscanofchariotfromHarsha.jpg
(Look at the chariot driver)

Just don't go overboard as those guys are IndoGreeks, not Indian, (at least not quite yet).

[cmacq]

I must say that those guys above are the one end of the spectrum, with the more dark tanned pics of Cmacq being the other. Artists should feel free to wander between those two ends. I just posted them because Ancient greeks back then, whether they were Makedonian, Epeirotes, Athenians, Cretans or what have you, would incorporate many different characteristics, they weren't of one cut cloth, as it were.

You are of course quite correct. I think I was using the above examples as a cautionary note, as to demonstrate the laten Indo-Iranian aspect particularly of some ancient Dorians, as opposed to Ionians for example. I think many might find it surprising how similar some 5th century BC Greeks and Persians may appear.

[Obelics]

ok for the golden ear-rings (or neck collar, or whatever they are), i loved the idea, i think i could have found a good neck base for the second one too, so peraphs this night i will post it, thanks!

also love my guy will get a causin, :laugh4:

here's the aged version of the first guy:
basic one:
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/ritrattoIG1vecchiocopia.jpg

and purpled one (i dont know but i like purple better for easterns than red)
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/ritrattoIG1vecchiocopia2.jpg

and the standard RTW size:
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/piccolovecchio.jpg

[chairman]

Obelics: your older version of the guy is even better than your younger version! He's great. I looked at him and thought that I could see what some Baktrian or Indo-Greek settler must have looked like after a lifetime far from his native Hellas. Beautiful!

Chairman

[Xurr]

that would be great, anyway dont feel obliged, if you change your mind, or you find something better, feel free to discard it, there is really no problem:beam:

i tryed to put it on a neck anyway, as usally it is a completely amateur tryout, and based on a good amount of luck-factor, it's first time i try this:

https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6140/ritrattoig1sq4.png

i used a standard rtw portrait as base.

and this is the standard RTW size portrait (69X96 pixels, i dont know what is the standard size of m2tw portraits):
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4049/ritrattoig1piccolotk3.png

and another version with more hairs:
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7246/ritrattoig1piccolo2yx2.png

it should be converted in TGA format to be put in the game.
Still the neck colour doesn't perfectly match with the colour of the face.:wall:
I gave a golden colour to the ear-ring (thinking it is in the indian ambient) and a golden colour to the boss on the left side too.


If I may make a suggestion. Try down playing the rosy cheeks just a little, make the skin tone a little darker and add some definition to his hair by adding a bunch of single strands.

This video while not exactly an instruction vid, gives a good example of hair placement.
http://www.break.com/index/the-power-of-photoshop.html

[Obelics]

thanks chairman and xurr:beam: (i will try to use the suggestions)

[ombudsman]

have had an hour or two of free time so i tried putting him in a background and started working on the neck, still very much WIP, but my question is, should i go with more of the style of obelics and use the existing rtw stuff instead of this?

https://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1716/number1body2withbackgroyo5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

and i have worked a bit on the older version, mainly thrown wrinkles and Grey hair on.
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9137/number1wiprp7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[Pezlu]

Wow, the competitors here are waaaaay too good... maybe I would be able to do something at least acceptable, but I'm too lazy to do that :P


https://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1716/number1body2withbackgroyo5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

And... uhm... are you sure that's not Jesus? :inquisitive:

[ombudsman]

Wow, the competitors here are waaaaay too good... maybe I would be able to do something at least acceptable, but I'm too lazy to do that :P



And... uhm... are you sure that's not Jesus? :inquisitive:

lol, a not very well known fact is that Jesus in fact was Indo-Greek.:beam:


but yea, maybe at least change the clothes, never realized that it looks just like what Jesus wears in like every picture out there.:wall:

[Obelics]

@ombudsan ok it look a bit like Jesus in all the portraits, but i thing that's not a problem:laugh4: I would be proud to have a Jesus causin...:inquisitive:
bytheway, the clothes at last are more original than the RTW ones, so if you are capable to make clothes, why not to continue? im not capable, so i use the RTW...

here's my second guy:
https://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2267/secondotipodagiovanedb9.png

and in RTW size format:
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6530/secondotipodagiovanepicxc4.png

https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1919/secondotipodagiovanepicyy3.png


i like better the first guy btw:shame:

If it is acceptable, tomorrow i will post the "aged" version.

[keravnos]

lol, a not very well known fact is that Jesus in fact was Indo-Greek.:beam:


but yea, maybe at least change the clothes, never realized that it looks just like what Jesus wears in like every picture out there.:wall:

Yep, some army clothes, a bronze muscle cuirass, a linothorax, those would deffinitely do.
Great aged version...


Now on to the next one, by king Hannibal...

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/idnotest2.jpg

That is a nice start, but the eyes clearly need work. Also the skin looks a bit weird, I think.
If you make the skin more like either Obelics or Obundsman (they have even tones, yours are as if sprayed on the statue) it will be good.

[king hannibal]

hi all nice picturer downloaded photoshop 6 a few days ago as a trial of 30 days anyway I seen this and though I might as well use it while it lasts

here's my try don't know how to use photoshop so it just got colour added to it anyway is it any good?

he's 41 years old he says :laugh4:

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/idnotest2.jpg

[keravnos]

@ombudsan ok it look a bit like Jesus in all the portraits, but i thing that's not a problem:laugh4: I would be proud to have a Jesus causin...:inquisitive:
bytheway, the clothes at last are more original than the RTW ones, so if you are capable to make clothes, why not to continue? im not capable, so i use the RTW...

here's my second guy:
https://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2267/secondotipodagiovanedb9.png

and in RTW size format:
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6530/secondotipodagiovanepicxc4.png

https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1919/secondotipodagiovanepicyy3.png


i like better the first guy btw:shame:

If it is acceptable, tomorrow i will post the "aged" version.

You know what? I like him. He has that "just another joe" look that many "Look at me, I am a Superhero" statues don't have. I think you should finish the aged portrait as well.

So far as the advice Xurr gave, unfortunately I am not well versed in technical matters, and the "rosy cheek" isn't one of my favorite things on the first statue head (the one on the left).

[king hannibal]

Yep, some army clothes, a bronze muscle cuirass, a linothorax, those would deffinitely do.
Great aged version...


Now on to the next one, by king Hannibal...

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/idnotest2.jpg

That is a nice start, but the eyes clearly need work. Also the skin looks a bit weird, I think.
If you make the skin more like either Obelics or Obundsman (they have even tones, yours are as if sprayed on the statue) it will be good.


it is a spray don't know how to work this thing so spray a few colours on him I told him held look better for it :laugh4:

don't know how to polish photos yet guessing that how I get a smooth finish but I'll have to look is the skin to dark?

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/idnotest3-1.jpg see what you mean by sprayed on well think he's to dark I'll try another one

[Makanyane]

https://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1010/haddatypesmak3fw1.th.jpg (https://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haddatypesmak3fw1.jpg)

hmmm, well that was great fun..... but I think about where I give up -
one on left is definitely horrible - and neither of them look like they're indo-greek and style isn't going to go with RTW :embarassed: Gah.

[Xurr]

https://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1010/haddatypesmak3fw1.th.jpg (https://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haddatypesmak3fw1.jpg)

hmmm, well that was great fun..... but I think about where I give up -
one on left is definitely horrible - and neither of them look like they're indo-greek and style isn't going to go with RTW :embarassed: Gah.


Nice work though, in fact the guy on the left looks like Liam Neeson

http://www.liamneeson.info/images/links.jpg

[keravnos]

https://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1010/haddatypesmak3fw1.th.jpg (https://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haddatypesmak3fw1.jpg)

hmmm, well that was great fun..... but I think about where I give up -
one on left is definitely horrible - and neither of them look like they're indo-greek and style isn't going to go with RTW :embarassed: Gah.

You know what, I love it all the same. Reminds me of oil based painting, which I had tried my hand at, a while back. Maybe they can be used as ancillaries, dunno, but they are deffinitely a keeper, at least for me. If you feel like it, how about doing some of the others?

In here,
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1905086&postcount=29

[king hannibal]

https://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1010/haddatypesmak3fw1.th.jpg (https://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haddatypesmak3fw1.jpg)

hmmm, well that was great fun..... but I think about where I give up -
one on left is definitely horrible - and neither of them look like they're indo-greek and style isn't going to go with RTW :embarassed: Gah.

they look the best so far to me here's my secound noob attment


https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/indo-2-try-5JPG.gif

here's him after the sun burn :laugh4:
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/indo-2-try-5JPG-2-1.gif

my old version but I don't think the hair is right sort of ghostly
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/old-indo-alright-old-versio.gif

thanks how do I burn or smooth them of can't find option for it

nice jesus by the way

[ombudsman]

have been able to steal half a hour to work on jesu...eh..number 1, been cleaning up his face, but since i too am new to this its taking a looong time for me to find something i like, but i hope you don´t have too much of a hurry to get them done kervanos? when i do get time i´ll try working on a linothorax and a neck. what do you think btw? too smooth, or fine?

https://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3760/number1wipyoungzv0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

i like what you have done so far king Hannibal, maybe just use the smoothing option and the burn option in ps to get more of a natural feel? but i like the second guy version 1 alot!

thanks for the tips blank! will certainly try thoose out!

[blank]

they look the best so far to me here's my secound noob attment


https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/indo-2-try-5JPG.gif

here's him after the sun burn :laugh4:
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/indo-2-try-5JPG-2-1.gif

my old version but I don't think the hair is right sort of ghostly
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/old-indo-alright-old-versio.gif

Here's a few tips if you want;

1. Use the smudge brush (I assume you use PS?) with opacity set to 10-15%, hardness 0-10% to smooth the texture.

2. Select the skin area and use the brightness/contrast and color balance settings to tune the appearance. I've found that making the skin tanned at first and then using a faint pink brush gives a good result.

3. Use the paint brush with 4-6% opacity and 0% hardness to accentuate the cheekbones/brow bones/wrinkles (black and white colors for different face "heights")

4. If you wish, apply a faint texture filter to the face (sandstone seems to work pretty well)

5. Eyes are tricky, it's easiest to find a suitable picture on Google and then resizing/adjusting it, then copying it to the image.

6. Hair is a real bitch, it would take too much space to correctly describe it, so i'll just say that brightness/contrast, smudge brush for hairlines and faint plastic filter give decent, if not the best, results.

To give an example of what's possible with the above methods, here's a statue of ol' Antiochos that I re-painted

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Antiochos_III.jpg/407px-Antiochos_III.jpg

https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4076/407pxantiochosiiiyx7.png

[king hannibal]

here he is think it in proved in place but not loads

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/old-indo-alright-old-versio-1.gif

thats the first guy with pink added and a featre
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/idno-test-5.gif

[paullus]

holy moly, blank! i've never seen that one before, that's a beaut!

[Xurr]

Blanks pic is awesome. The coloring is great, it just could maybe use a little going over with a blur tool to reduce the slight burn victim blotchiness. :2thumbsup:

The eyes are striking and look great. If you give them a slight oval like a "0" (actually that is too much but you get the idea) it would give the impression that you are viewing them from an angle like the face is being viewed.

[king hannibal]

I think this guy look ok apart from the eye and near his hair
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/indo-2-try-5JPG-3.gif

think I'll try one more see if I can get it as good as that ceaser or how ever it is

don't think so though :sweatdrop:

[Obelics]

here's my second guy "aged" version:
im not satisfacted with him, but since ive not a tecnique, and im based much on luck factor, i think i cant further improve him without ruining it...

https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/secondovecchio2.jpg

and here's the RTW size format:
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/SecondoTipodavecchiopiccolo.jpg

and here's the correspondent young version:
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/SecondoTipodaGiovane2.jpg

rtw format:
https://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn47/Artaserse_LostBorg/portraits/SecondoTipodaGiovane2PICCOLO.jpg

hope they are at last decent...

[king hannibal]

ok ok I think this is my best one yet :beam:

still think something missing on the skin though so I've done 2

the one I think something missing from and the lips are abit pink

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/half-way.gif

the other one
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/parmeneides-from-ELEAdone.gif

think it needs a certain brightness to it
ok here we go have I got what it takes?

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/parmeneides-from-ELEA-EBdon.gif

[keravnos]

I think that the last one is the best looking. :yes:
He looks real, and that is great.

@Obelics, thanks for making the other one as well. It's great. Now, if you feel like it, please go for another one.

[Obelics]

@Obelics, thanks for making the other one as well. It's great. Now, if you feel like it, please go for another one.

ok, thanks, as i have a bit of time i will continue it:beam:
(i will be 2 or 3 days away, and i wont be able to work at the comp)

[king hannibal]

yeah it the last one I'm on about if he looks real that a great sign :2thumbsup:

[keravnos]

King hannibal,

Yes he does look good. Please create an aged version, and do clear the surrounding text if possible. You should also have this guy wear either a linothorax or a muscled bronze cuirass. Do those and I think he will be admitted.

[ombudsman]

yeah it the last one I'm on about if he looks real that a great sign :2thumbsup:

dose he go though if I complete it?

or is it one of there

try again?

give up now good try?

you suck:furious3:?

i think he looks great! and even if he doesn´t get included, you should not stop trying, i think there is room for improvements from all of us, since we are kind of new to this, and as long as it´s fun i don´t see why we shouldn't continue.:beam:
when i get my exams over (tomorrow) i will have more time to work on mine and try some of blanks suggestions and see if i can get mine to look better.

[Jorduan]

i would advise against using Ptolemaic images of dudes as evidence for a model of oversees Greeks: highly stylistic, following generations of Egpytian depiction traditions.. i.e depicted as dark skinned to show that they worked as a man, outside all day.

But more to the point I think that the attempt by Obelisc looks the best... BUT they all look very wierd... :oops:

[king hannibal]

though no one was going to have a sense of slaging in these forums :oops:

:p just joking I didn't really know were elae is so just deside to do a macedion type person guess doing some person from were I know where they come from would help :idea2:

have we got any britions modles that I can try? modle him after me :laugh4:

[keravnos]

Hmm, it seems that not everyone is fond of drawing greeks. That's a-ok. We got more...

For example, this pointed hat Saka found in Dalverzine Tepe... what the Achaimenid Persians called Tigrakhauda Saka

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos2/PointedhatSakaDalverzineTepe.jpg

(leather, with metal studs on it, and an internal hat of some kind probably worn to keep it standing)

[Gebeleisis]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip-1.gif
wip

dont mind the hat color yet :laugh4:

[bovi]

He looks like he's made out of putty. Perhaps if his skin became slightly more grainy?

[Gebeleisis]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip2-1.jpg
wip2
yea sure :D no problem,grain here we come :D

[keravnos]

It is progressing very well, I must say, congrats.

The internal hat you have, is great, but should also be the same from the other side, right now, it is now worn only from the right.

What would be interesting is to see how would this adolescent be when wrinkled and old.

-also there is a small line of bronze beads on the line where the pointed hat finishes. Please paint those too, bronze-

Just a small help, this is how the Achaimenid Persians depicted them, I guess he too would have a beard in some years.
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/TigrakaudaSaka.jpg

[bovi]

I think he's looking better already :2thumbsup:. Only the cheek is looking weird, could you try to smudge that out to counteract the pieces that are chipped off the statue? I like the hat.

[Gebeleisis]

ya sure :)
ill get on that tmorrow:2thumbsup:

[keravnos]

I don't think this thread would be complete if there weren't two Romani around here.

I think the following ones are maybe two of the most influential of our period.

This guy went to Africa...
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/PubliusCorneliusScipioAfricanus.jpg

This guy had a month named after him,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/JuliusCaesarinVaticanmuseum.jpg

First post will be updated with all of the pics for ease of use... ( and also to take back the Indogreeks in the first post. They are done, ready to go, so far as I am concerned.

[Olaf The Great]

I don't think this thread would be complete if there weren't two Romani around here.

I think the following ones are maybe two of the most influential of our period.

This guy went to Africa...


This guy had a month named after him,


First post will be updated with all of the pics for ease of use... ( and also to take back the Indogreeks in the first post. They are done, ready to go, so far as I am concerned.
Obviously Scipio and Caesar (Africanus and July)

[Olaf The Great]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip2-1.jpg
wip2
yea sure :D no problem,grain here we come :D
He needs eyebrows and some hair :P

[king hannibal]

hi though I'lled give it one more go


https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/cearser-done-and-done.gif

[I Am Herenow]

Hi, I'll give this guy a go:

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/433.jpg

But a couple of questions about him:


Is he meant to be wearing a hat? If so, what colour/texture?
What hair colour should he have?
And what skin tone?
Do you want him to be cross-eyed, as he is on the statue?Cheers!

I Am Herenow

[Megalos]

Here is my go at Pubilus Scipio:

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5615/publiuscorneliusscipioadd7.png

[Gebeleisis]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip3.gif
:)

@Megalos: omg very nice dude

[keravnos]

Yep, Publivs Scipio Africanvs is now with us.

Great job Megalos, now if you don't mind making an aged version (which is basically what the statue depicts that guy as) and we will be set to go!

@ Gebeleisis,

we would need an aged version as well.

[Gebeleisis]

sure:)

[Gebeleisis]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip4.gif
a rugged version

oops double post:wall:

[keravnos]

Hi, I'll give this guy a go:

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/433.jpg

But a couple of questions about him:


Is he meant to be wearing a hat? If so, what colour/texture?
What hair colour should he have?
And what skin tone?
Do you want him to be cross-eyed, as he is on the statue?Cheers!

I Am Herenow

Hello there.

-This isn't a hat it is a headband, it should be made of wool and be red, for an example check here,
http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=166146&AucID=207&Lot=48
like the cataphract on the left.
-No, not crosseyed, use discretion here, normal eyes would be best.
-Black hair
-For the skin tone, please use the guy on the left-right has a lot of shadow.
http://photos.igougo.com/images/p331542-Peshawar-Afghani_hats_workshop.JPG

(just to give you an idea of how he was depicted in the art of his time.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PazyrikHorseman.JPG

[keravnos]

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip4.gif
a rugged version

oops double post:wall:

Gotta say I like this one better. Now on for a version where he is old. That would be the difficult part.

[Gebeleisis]

aye,i was thinking about just makeing his hair light grey?

ok update on old guy
https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb147/gebeleisis/wip5.gif

[Megalos]

https://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4237/juliuscaesarinvaticanmuts9.png

[keravnos]

hi though I'lled give it one more go


https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/cearser-done-and-done.gif

I like it, but the eyes look a bit fake to me.

[keravnos]

https://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4237/juliuscaesarinvaticanmuts9.png

That's amazing work, right there! :yes:

[Obelics]

i was working on this guy:
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9186/poseidonhp6.png

it was from the poseidon
dont know if it can go, let me know, i could try to correct him according to my limited skills.

[Gebeleisis]

megalos really has teh skillz0r :D

[Obelics]

yes, i thing i will leave the place to some more professional photoshoppers out here:painting:

[The General]

https://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4237/juliuscaesarinvaticanmuts9.png
*dr00ls, in a totally non-gay manner*

Siriusly tho', that is a pretty damn good piece of art.


i was working on this guy:
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9186/poseidonhp6.png

try to guess who is him...
dont know if it can go, let me know, i could try to correct him according to my limited skills.
I like this one too.

(And several other works have been very impressive, but I didn't want to make a too long post by having all of them here. Nice work artists, I've certainly been impressed. :yes:

[The Persian Cataphract]

Here are a few for the Parthians:

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue1.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Metalwork/Surena6.JPG

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Parthian_king.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Sanatrrg.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Stolen_Parthian_Statue_from_Hatra3.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Sculpture/Parthian_Head_Nisa.bmp

And last but not least:

http://www.livius.org/a/1/iran/parthian_prince.JPG

[Gebeleisis]

ill take the last dude,even dough im not as skilled as megalos,it will be good work and at least ill learn some stuff:2thumbsup:

[keravnos]

@ Obelics,

Poseidon of Gandhara is excellent, but for a small detail.

I checked through all my pic files and on NONE of them do the golden earings exist.

They would be a pure Indian phainomenon, not for the EB.

I am sorry I have said so before, I was wrong. can you maybe remove them?

[Obelics]

@ Obelics,

Poseidon of Gandhara is excellent, but for a small detail.

I checked through all my pic files and on NONE of them do the golden earings exist.

They would be a pure Indian phainomenon, not for the EB.

I am sorry I have said so before, I was wrong. can you maybe remove them?

ah! what a loss, i loved that thing. Anyway i tryed to delete it, i dont know:
https://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7613/xposeidon2gc1.png

RTW size format:
https://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3378/zposeidon2piccolorm1.png

hmmm... really not sure.

[keravnos]

Obelics, I love it.

Can you make the elder one, so that it can be entered ingame?

[Uticensis]

Wow, there are some really impressive photoshop skills out there.

Did anyone else suddenly realize, thanks to Megalos' excellent work, that Scipio Africanus looked like Phil Collins?

[Obelics]

@keranos
ok, thanks, i will try to make an older version, i will post this night or tomorrow)

[king hannibal]

this one any good found him my self but dose he look great!!!

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/me-he-he.gif


just testing the picture above is a joke just trying new stuff out looked fun so I posted it

I know this dosen't really work but dose the background and curiass work as long as I get them right as in not all jagged and stuff

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/back-ground-macedon-with-gu.gif

some thing like that work?

https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/kinghannibal/back-ground-macedon-3.gif

[keravnos]

yes, i thing i will leave the place to some more professional photoshoppers out here:painting:

Please don't. We all have our place, and your models will deffinitely be used for future versions of EB. Besides, it isn't like your pics aren't wonderful!

[Obelics]

ok, thanks again, i will see as i have time, and it would be an honour (even if not truly deserved) to have some one inside:

the old mad prophet (ok when you get old, you become a bit mad we know...)
https://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8229/xposeidon2vecchiocl1.png

rtw size
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3204/poseidon2piccolovecchiolg6.png

and a very very WIP version of Surena, still missing eyes mouth etc. and it is just at the first coloration stage, we will see if it will come out something decent:
https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8600/surenacopiakk9.jpg

[The Persian Cataphract]

Ah, very nice Artaserse! Excellent start it is and it looks very exciting to see how close this actually came to my vision of this man. A few pointers though:

Look at the gaze of his eyes. The larger-than-life statue was meant to be imposing, but that particular photography was taken with one thing in mind: The statue is looking at the unknown, and it looks somewhat upwards, like you stare into the horizon thinking about the future, or pondering on an important decision. The philosopher's fearless stare. Make the eye-lids somewhat heavier and the eyes less screaming. I think you know what I mean, the old prophet is an excellent showcase of your abilities so I'm probably just being annoying =P

Skin complexion and hair is just perfect; I envision for myself a Parthian nobleman with a fair complexion, yet dark hair. Thicker, bushier eye-brows, but clean; Right now Surena's eyebrows appear thin but unnaturally wild-grown (It looks a bit uneven, like spider-legs you know).

I love the moustache, but just a bit thicker and it would be perfect. The mouth could use more fullness and of course be of a slightly red colour (You know this better than I do, but it's just observation).

I love this. Completely. Already I'd switch my current avatar to even that WIP-Surena you've made. It's that good :2thumbsup:

I can't wait to see how Surena will look finished. Besides these pointers, which you are free to take at leisure, you're the artist so you'll know when it's "finished" :bow:

[Ibrahim]

Here are a few for the Parthians:

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue1.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Metalwork/Surena6.JPG

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Hatra_Statue.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Parthian_king.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Sanatrrg.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Hatra/Stolen_Parthian_Statue_from_Hatra3.jpg

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Parthian/Sculpture/Parthian_Head_Nisa.bmp

And last but not least:

http://www.livius.org/a/1/iran/parthian_prince.JPG

is this the Surena gang? I see you're still his biggest fan..:beam:

[I Am Herenow]

Ach, I'm no good at this Photoshopping lark. I'm trying to work on Mr Saka here:

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/433.jpg

...and have so far managed to create a (pretty pants) redrawing:

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/4/5/5/f_Saka2m_bf836fe.gif

But how do I turn that into...

https://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4237/juliuscaesarinvaticanmuts9.png

...that?

Please help!

I Am Herenow

P.S.

Here is the sketch superimposed on the original statue - maybe that's supposed to be the next step:

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/5/5/f_Saka21m_d537873.gif

[keravnos]

@I am here now, I wish I could help, but alas, I am not an artist.

Celebrating Pergamon, here is its king, Attalos I
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/AttalosofPergamon2160-150BCEBettym.jpg

Thans to all for your amazing contributions.

[Jaume]

Here is the sketch superimposed on the original statue - maybe that's supposed to be the next step:

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/5/5/f_Saka21m_d537873.gif

This is mine:

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/5/5/f_433ullsddm_8df68c4.jpg


(the first time I use photoshop...)

[I Am Herenow]

@I am here now, I wish I could help, but alas, I am not an artist.

No problem - if anyone could tell me what I need to do next, that would be very much appreciated. The main problem, of course (other than the fact I can't draw) is that my image looks like a spray-painted statue, rather than a human face; how do I make the paint look like skin but preserve the statue's contours, which I don't think increasing the opacity would do?

Also, I think I should point out that the first post should be updated as work on the statue I'm working on, as well as on the last Pahlavan statue, has begun.

I Am Herenow

[Jaume]

No problem - if anyone could tell me what I need to do next, that would be very much appreciated. The main problem, of course (other than the fact I can't draw) is that my image looks like a spray-painted statue, rather than a human face; how do I make the paint look like skin but preserve the statue's contours, which I don't think increasing the opacity would do?

Also, I think I should point out that the first post should be updated as work on the statue I'm working on, as well as on the last Pahlavan statue, has begun.

I Am Herenow

Hum...

First:

1.- Open the image with Adobe ImageReady (don't know if it works with photoshop too)

2.- Select painting:

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/4/5/5/f_1m_adebbba.png

3.- Right click, select Soft Light:

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/5/5/f_2m_97b6e7a.png

4.- Enjoy the result!

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/5/5/f_3m_fec32ad.png

[king hannibal]

found that use full as I was doing what you were look for blank post near the bottom of the page not to say my pictures got any better and you've got to be careful with smugging but it work well if it's do right

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=102847&page=2hi

hows my guy a few pages above modders?

[Obelics]

i hope to not ruin too much Surena, here's another WIP image, the golden Collar is still messed up, im not sure on the colour of the clothes (i tryied to give to it a "silk" appearence BTW) and i haven't still touched the moustache, and the eye-browns still i dont like, also the eyes should be refined again:

https://img155.imageshack.us/img155/579/surenagy4.jpg

that is a bit more difficult than the indo-greeks for my limited skills, cause the statue of Surena is much more idealized and hieratic, while the IG were more realistic, so they had more particulars, and surena is more stylized, so i had to imagine something... this is the cause im going with all this WIPs, and i dont know if i will ever come to a complete thing... anyway i will try to continue it tomorrow:smash:

@TPC thanks for having called me with my old nickname :2thumbsup: that is always nice... I thought to change to it in the .org too, but i spammed the forum with a lot of obelics posts, so i think it will be very confusing to change it, anyway i liked the old-one better... ah :beam:
(hope to not disappoint you too much with this other image)

[Jaume]

Here is my version with red hat and without earrings.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/5/5/f_definitium_fa03f94.jpg

[keravnos]

@King Hannibal, the image is a bit big and doesn't really mesh well with its backgrounds. I really wish I could give you sounder advice, but you should take it from a graphic artist. Try to follow the advice blank and Jaume have given. There might also be some other posts in this thread offering advice. I suggest you take it.

@Jaume, that Saka doesn't look human. If you could use more natural colours, it would help.

[king hannibal]

k sorry for any advice I gave if it isn't good but though it might be is my ceaser any good if I sort out the eyes they were good before I smude them I think I got a less done version so can make him the same but with out the weird eyes for the othe guy I though if this didn't work I'd try doing one from EB it's self but I'll read back for advice got about 19 days left on photoshop so I'll try and do what I can to complete them

[keravnos]

Mateys, this place needs some womyn! :pirate2:

Demeter,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/Demetra.jpg

and
an Etruscan lady of 4th century BCE,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/Etruscanlady4th-3rdBCE.jpg

[Jaume]

Does it means that will be women in EB2? :D

And, more important: Is it possible that they will be naked infantry?

Just kidding ;)

[keravnos]

Does it means that will be women in EB2? :D

And, more important: Is it possible that they will be naked infantry?

Just kidding ;)

Actually that would be the greatest Anti-Gaesetae weapon, don't you think? :laugh4:
Besides it would be a sight to behold.

Back to EB2, I think Demeter could stand for some of the "wife" pictures that currently exist.
The Etruscan one, maybe an ancilliary or something, but that statue is too good looking not to have. The woman that posed for this statue must have been a real beauty.

[Jaume]

Actually that would be the greatest Anti-Gaesetae weapon, don't you think? :laugh4:
Besides it would be a sight to behold.


Yeah sure :laugh4: .

[Obelics]

ok, at last i cant say ive not tryied it...

https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1814/surenaquasiquasieb3.png
(the background is an edited version of Ctesifon)

anyway if there is someone more good who thing can correct it or another of the things ive posted, feel free to do it, i cant go much far than this level (im not a graphician, and neither a drawer...:shame: )

and heres the rtw size format (they are a bit edited, cause the big one, if resized, look bad, for example the nose lines are almost invisible in small format):

version without lights
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5484/surenaquasiquasipiccoliga6.png

with light:
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1739/surenaquasiquasipiccolixq2.png

with light + contrast:
https://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8392/surenaquasiquasipiccolixl4.png

i think the second version, that with light but without contrast, is the more decent, or peraphs the first one, boh i dont know.

sorry to all the fans of the guy...:shame:

[keravnos]

I think it is great!

We would need an old guy version.

[Obelics]

ok, tomorrow i will try the aged version:smash:, thanks.

[I Am Herenow]

How about this:

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/5/9/f_Saka22m_882234e.gif

I Am Herenow

[The Persian Cataphract]

I think he looks just excellent, Artaserse. Maybe the eyes are a bit too big, but it is very faithful to the statue, and that's all that counts :2thumbsup:

Great work. I can't wait to see the aged version :yes:

[Obelics]

thanks TCP, i tryied also the aged version, i reduced a bit the eyes, He remember me a bit a sort of motocyclist, kind of Dennis Hopper Easy Rider WROOOOOOOOOOM WROOOOOOOM:yes: :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDKAQ2AkIZk

and here's our beat generation Surena (lets go with the smoke...):
https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2531/surenaquasiquasivecchiovz7.png

here's the rtw format size:
https://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2102/surenaquasiquasivecchiojb2.png

here's a young version with smaller eyes and bigger mouth:
https://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2637/surenaocchipiccolixx0.png

and rtw size:
https://img329.imageshack.us/img329/33/surenapiccoloss4.png

[The Persian Cataphract]

Ah, now he looks better :2thumbsup:

This is your best one yet, Artaserse. I think you can rest yourself assured that you have not failed :yes:

Hey, Surena what do you think?

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/5/10/f_parthianprim_3a4bb41.jpg

I think that's a sign of approval... Except, he doesn't know what Ritalin is :smash:

[Obelics]

ahah! our beat-generation-general addicted to "stimulants" eheh, anyway they had not motorbikes back in the times, but sure they had to have fast and reliable horses, and the steppes atmosphere must have been a bit similar of that boundless panoramas of that '70s movie.

thanks, back to the picture he is not polished like the rtw portraits, damn, that is a difficult step to accomplish, mine looks still amateur, and looking again to the original statue, i noticed that the statue has a more "concentrated" eyes, while my eyes look more introspective, also the eye-browns of the statue are more "severe", while in all the modifies if done i have a bit ruined the eye-browns...

so, all this to say, that i could turn back on it again, but after some days, cause now i have so much copyes of the thing, that i loosed the "objectiveness" to judge well what is the thing i should do. So i thing after a day or two without looking at it, I could start to to see if i can adjust the eye-brown and give the eyes a look more "concentrated".

salut!

[Rhipsaspis]

I think you've done an amazing job with that Obelics, nevermind the "polish" of the RTW portraits, your's is brilliant because it has that "Three Dimensional" quality to it as well as being faithful to those people's art at the time! Way better IMO!

[keravnos]

How about this:

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/5/9/f_Saka22m_882234e.gif

I Am Herenow

Perhaps I wasn't clear. This guy is not wearing a hat of ANY sort, This is just a band around the head exactly like Surena is. It is just made of cloth.

[I Am Herenow]

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/5/11/f_Saka24m_089be9e.gif

Is that better?

[The Persian Cataphract]

ahah! our beat-generation-general addicted to "stimulants" eheh, anyway they had not motorbikes back in the times, but sure they had to have fast and reliable horses, and the steppes atmosphere must have been a bit similar of that boundless panoramas of that '70s movie.

thanks, back to the picture he is not polished like the rtw portraits, damn, that is a difficult step to accomplish, mine looks still amateur, and looking again to the original statue, i noticed that the statue has a more "concentrated" eyes, while my eyes look more introspective, also the eye-browns of the statue are more "severe", while in all the modifies if done i have a bit ruined the eye-browns...

so, all this to say, that i could turn back on it again, but after some days, cause now i have so much copyes of the thing, that i loosed the "objectiveness" to judge well what is the thing i should do. So i thing after a day or two without looking at it, I could start to to see if i can adjust the eye-brown and give the eyes a look more "concentrated".

salut!

You're a bit hard on yourself, but I understand. Personally, I think this is perfect, because you've given the statue so many details that I did not earlier notice (The large veins in his throat, and how he actually does look genuinely older... It's just unfortunate that Surena died barely as a 30 year old man :clown:), but if you do feel that you are able to improve it, then hey, you're the artist :2thumbsup:

I'd love it if your stuff was released as an avatar set for the .org; I'd change my dead-beat avatar with this, no doubt. In fact, if you visit TWC and look at my profile, this is what you'll find:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/customavatars/avatar27477_1.gif

A miniature of my line-art for Surena I made two years ago. So really, when I say your stuff is great, take my word for it :wink:

[Obelics]

You're a bit hard on yourself, but I understand. Personally, I think this is perfect, because you've given the statue so many details that I did not earlier notice (The large veins in his throat, and how he actually does look genuinely older... It's just unfortunate that Surena died barely as a 30 year old man :clown:), but if you do feel that you are able to improve it, then hey, you're the artist :2thumbsup:

I'd love it if your stuff was released as an avatar set for the .org; I'd change my dead-beat avatar with this, no doubt. In fact, if you visit TWC and look at my profile, this is what you'll find:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/customavatars/avatar27477_1.gif

A miniature of my line-art for Surena I made two years ago. So really, when I say your stuff is great, take my word for it :wink:

thanks for the encouraging words! If you want use it as avatar in the forum feel free to use the stuff:2thumbsup: also it is completely open to modify, change etc. thanks TPC!
(i still have that problem with his eyebrown, but i think i will leave it for a while, and in the meanwhile do some other things, cause the more i look at the same picture the more i become paranoid, and start to see a new thing i would change, so better to stop for now, I consider all the pictures, this and the previous IG, as WIP, who knows, there is always time for improving, peraphs doing some more of these, i could become more "sure" and be able to improve the old ones too)

PS: I didnt know he died so young, damn, my sincere condolences:clown:

@Im Herenow:
have you tryed to encircle the face of the guy and then change the setting of the colours? that what i do in the start:

https://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4897/immagine1sf5.jpg
try to put all the sliders ahead, make some experiments

then use the levelement penel to make it plain:
https://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4695/saka1copiaij9.png
it was just a tryout, i forgot to make the right ear, and to deselect the eyes/mouth and moustache, also the colour is still too dark, but if you play a little with the colour balancement you can come to a colour you think is satisfacting.

[Maeran]

Thanks to Jaume's little tutorial I have now learned to make ancient statues look like... ancient painted statues!

I've been working on this guy for an AAR (it's supposed to be Appius Claudius Caecus).

https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4097/claudiuscaecuscolxp5.jpg

Has anyone got any advice on making that crown shine?

[king hannibal]

do you still want the ceaser and macediaon guys finishing not had any time to work on them with trying to get MP tornament setup

[keravnos]

Thanks to Jaume's little tutorial I have now learned to make ancient statues look like... ancient painted statues!

I've been working on this guy for an AAR (it's supposed to be Appius Claudius Caecus).

https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4097/claudiuscaecuscolxp5.jpg

Has anyone got any advice on making that crown shine?

Νοw this is a great start. I wish I could offer some advice. Hopefully, some of the others who are more knowledgeable will step in and do so.