View Full Version : VICES and VIRTUES ARE CRAZY
cin.Thrawn
10-16-2002, 19:30
I got a general rank 8. He wins a battle with 800 vs 3000. After that he gets cracked brained.
What the hell did that happen?
FacelessClock
10-16-2002, 19:36
Gotta love it when that happens!
If he is of royal blood, just assassinate him. Seems bad vices have have a chance of passing on.
Plus it would just be funny to kill the psycho.
Fearless
10-16-2002, 19:40
It appears that in medieval times the generals couldn't take the pressure of command. This is another downer to the game. It's acceptable if it's a rarer occurence but that isn't the case. Time and time again decent generals get the tag of cracked brained , good ruuner, coward the list goes on!.......................let's get real and enjoy this masterpiece!!
Pah! it happens, quite often if its a GOOD general the vice doesnt make them totally useless, or even as bad as a lesser general!
After all each 2 stars means the general gives approx. +2 morale to his troops, which in the case of an 8 star, is +8 morale. You've got to pick up some fairly hefty vices to totally counteract that! & even if you did, there are still the bonuses to att & def that each 2 stars give, to feel good about! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Yoko Kono
10-17-2002, 00:32
yep in my game el cid is now a raging alcoholic but he still knows how to drill the men in battle
Quote Originally posted by Yoko Kono:
...el cid ... still knows how to drill the men in battle[/QUOTE]
He has the perversion vice as well? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Gullible enough to believe that there might actually be some foundation in this - http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/002351.html - I got my princess to "kiss" a peasant general. He still remained a frog (peasant) but his social elevation revealed his vices, two of which were a fondness for young men and knocking off a noble's wife.
What with keeping a 17yo princess happy as well no wonder he never became a boyar. He probably didn't have the strength left to mount a horse as well.
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Ten thousand of the Turks were there armed with scimitars, and your father with a small knife for peeling fruit."
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Iron_Chef_Morimoto
10-17-2002, 04:19
ROFL
Hakonarson
10-17-2002, 05:09
what V&V do they get for mounting horses??
Quote Originally posted by Wart:
Pah! it happens, quite often if its a GOOD general the vice doesnt make them totally useless, or even as bad as a lesser general!
After all each 2 stars means the general gives approx. +2 morale to his troops, which in the case of an 8 star, is +8 morale. You've got to pick up some fairly hefty vices to totally counteract that! & even if you did, there are still the bonuses to att & def that each 2 stars give, to feel good about! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif[/QUOTE]
Actually, this is not true. The command rating of the general adds to the attack and defense of the units, but not to the morale. Morale is factored in separately. Check out these threads: http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001666.html
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001417.html
[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-17-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by hrvojej:
Actually, this is not true. The command rating of the general adds to the attack and defense of the units, but not to the morale. Morale is factored in separately. Check out these threads: http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001666.html
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001417.html
[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-17-2002).][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I saw those threads, and have just scanned through them again, but couldnt see anything conclusive about morale boost per valour point. Are you getting the post from Longjohn, where he says valour is calculated seperately, a tad confused, or have I missed a vital post?
Incidently my use of the word approximately in the original post was deliberate, because as I said, i'm aware of the question mark thats hanging over the effects of general rank on troops. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I think it must have some effect though, either that or my belief in it is causing a psychosomatic thing to happen. I use generals with morale decreasing vices as long as their command/virtues are high enough to mostly counteract the penalty, & don't seem to have too many routing problems! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I was under the impression that the "intrinsic" valour, gained through experience/higher level buildings gives +2 to the morale, while the "valour" gained from the command rating of the general does not add to the morale at all, only attack and defense. I might be wrong though, but that's pretty much my experience with it.
An update:
I ran a small test whether there is a morale gain that is due to general's command rating.
A unit of SAP, valour 0, attacks alone. They have 2/9/8/8/0 (att/def/arm/mor/val). They attack with 6 star general (who has no V&Vs that would affect attack, defense, valour or morale), and have 4/11/8/8/3. There apparently is no gain to the morale due to the general's rank. However, you tell me how it's possible thjat they are listed as valour 3 (which they should have according to the 6 stars, right), and have only +2 to both attack and defense... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-17-2002).]
Yep, I think there's definitely something afoot at circle-K!
I suspect we've got all the input we're gonna get from the devs, on this subject though.
Maybe I am just getting a pyschosomatic effect? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
I'll let you know if, having had this conversation, I suddenly start loosing loads of battles! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Wart,
Well, it might not be just a psychosomatic effect. Since there is a bonus to att/def, you will lose less men and kill more, and therefore the morale drop will be less pronounced, since the morale drop is affected by how many men you lose nad how fast you lose them. You will kill more, meaning you'll rout the enemy faster, meaning that there is less chance to lose enough men for the morale to drop sufficiently for your guys to rout. Also, since your units are better in combat, they should move less/fight shorter, and be less fatigued, meaning that the morale penalty due to fatigue will kick in later (when you're better off perhaps). So, there are definitively some benefits to having a high star general that will counter the effects of bad morale modifiers.
I think I'll start a new thread with some of these age-old questions. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
edit: There is a very useful article on morale on http://shogun-academy.tripod.com/ . Definitively worth checking out, assuming that the same things still apply (not the numbers probably, but the situations at least).
[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-17-2002).]
i dont have any problems if my general has a few vices.. no-one was perfect... i mean who realy cares if he is perverted.. it dont affect his command
Fearless
10-17-2002, 17:13
Quote Originally posted by Hakonarson:
what V&V do they get for mounting horses??[/QUOTE]
V&V= Perversion
cin.Thrawn
10-17-2002, 18:12
MMM But still, he was basically perfect until he got the Cracked Brain thing. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
All my other generals which are rank 5-6-7 are all PERVERTS. I don't care about Piety too much, i just keep them away from inquisitors. But no worries now, half the map is own by Muslims and Orthodox. Only me (Demark), Italians, Polish and Silician left in the catholic faith and poland is dying.
Anyway back to the topic. I still don't know how my generals get those VICES, i just press turn and BOOM there it goes. Adulterer or Pevert or Elapanht mother. Who can tell me?
Your general (probably) go to the toilet without asking your permission, so it's not that inconceivable that they'd err, enjoy the company, of some young boys or their own daughter without asking your permission either is it??
In other words, I think it's completely random.
My 17 year old king had secret incest with his DAUGHTER???
This is a truely sick game!
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