Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[Mithrandir]

What would happen if the prostitute would protect a mafia member?

If he/she spends the night with him/her, he/she can't go out killing, right?

[GeneralHankerchief]

What would happen if the prostitute would protect a mafia member?

If he/she spends the night with him/her, he/she can't go out killing, right?

Indeedy-do.

[shlin28]

Havn't read through the last 2 pages yet, but 2 votes just for voting abstain...? What do you want me to do? Pick names out of a hat?


...


Fine then... :no:

Vote BananaBob

Voted without reason.

[The Stranger]

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

unvote: vote: privateerkev

[The Stranger]

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

unvote: vote: privateerkev

[Privateerkev]

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

I agree a detective wouldn't reveal. But I did not want to be accused of trying to "flush out" the detective so I wanted to make it clear that he should be quiet if I'm innocent.

Boy, this game is just one long series of "darned if you do, darned if you don't."

:beam:

[Csargo]

Vote:Sasaki

I don't like the fact that he revealed that he was blocked by the prostitute.

Edit:Tally

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)
Privateerkev: 2 (Omanes,TS)

Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

[Proletariat]

Then we have a deal. :D

What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

Unvote: Caius Vote: Privateerkev

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)
Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Prole)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

[Privateerkev]

What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

You had my vote because you were the most suspicious person. But someone has just taken that role from you.

unvote: Proletariat; vote: The Stranger

First, TS votes abstain very early on. Then he accuses me of trying to draw out the detective when I made provisions to prevent exactly that. I suspect it is because he got nervous being on someone's suspicion list. So I think he is trying to bandwagon a newbie to throw the scent off of himself.


Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)

Proletariat: 2 (Sasaki, Husar)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 3 (TS, shlin, NN)

[shlin28]

Correct tally:

Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)

Proletariat: 2 (Sasaki, Husar)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

[Privateerkev]

OOC: crap, sorry... :embarassed:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:shlin

shlin rarely posts except to vote and kev has tons of posts.


edit: tally


Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)
shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)

Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

[woad&fangs]

I'm going to keep my vote on Shlin28 for now. I don't have a strong feeling that he is guilty but I think that Pkev is innocent. He is definately a talkative person. We both joined in the same month and he has 1k more posts than me.

Now, if he was mafia then his partner would have probably told him to lay low and not draw attention too much. The only way I think Pkev could be mafia is if...

1. His partner is also from KotR and knew a less talkative Pkev would draw suspicion from the other KotR players.

or

2. His partner is also new and they haven't done much discussion of strategy.

[Redleg]

To bad my real life has me traveling to much - looks like I am missing a few good games.

Interesting reading so far -

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote: Privateerkev

Privatekev's defence response(s) were, from my perspective, rational and sensible. Mafia are usually much more violent in their responses - especially when a bandwagon is building up against them. He doesn't have my full trust, but, for now my vote is removed.

On another note, The Stranger, might I ask why you can up with that misinformed reason for a vote:
there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

Vote: PrivateerkevAlthough I would understand voting based on something comparable to what I voted for Privateerkev based on would be rational, that reasoning is simply poorly devised and based on something I haven't actually read. I didn't see where Privateerkev even mentioned detective reveals - quite to the contrary in fact. I've searched the thread three times for "detective" by the user "Privateerkev" and nothing of any significance cropped up. Due to this:

Vote: The Stranger

[Privateerkev]

What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

I could ask you the same thing... o_O

updated tally:



shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)

The Stranger: 2 (Privateerkev, Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Privateerkev: 2 (TS, Proletariat)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)

Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

UnVote:Saratos

Vote:The Stranger


Also Will Argee with Omanes on this also.Saratos really doesn't sound suspicous to me...yet.

[Csargo]

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:

[Yaropolk]

Vote Abstain - I'm not convinced yet

[Sigurd]

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:
That and being the third ...
I am tempted :yes:

[00jebus]

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:

I may be new but that sounds very defensive;

Unvote, Vote Ichigo

[Privateerkev]

new page, new tally:

shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)
The Stranger: 3 (Privateerkev, Omanes Alexandrapolites, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)

Privateerkev: 2 (TS, Proletariat)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)
Ichigo: 2 (makaikhaan, 00jebus)

Sarathos: 1 (Beefy)
Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

Abstain: 2 ( NN, Yaropolk)

[Andres]

The day has ended.

Votes will be count. Stand by for execution.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's still a tie though. Bit of a toss up but I think shlin is a better lynch then the stranger.

[Andres]

It's still a tie though. Bit of a toss up but I think shlin is a better lynch then the stranger.

Random.org will decide who is going to be lynched.

Bets are on :devil:

[shlin28]

I bet I will be lynched... :thumbsdown:

[Husar]

OH great!

Now I hope it's the Stranger, doesn't shlin get lynched all the time anyway?
You bunch of cruel bastards...

[Andres]

Day 1 - Conclusion.

Theotro Greco 10.00 pm

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/TeatroGrecoTaormina.jpg

After Pino's speech, the tourists and villagers of Taormina were upset.

As the day continued and the sun kept burning, the discussion also got more heated.

The voices went crescendo, the paranoid people casting votes, switching votes, acting like they didn't have a clue.

After a long and heated debate, the good people of Taormina decided that either The Stranger or shlin28 had to be scum.

"Is this your final decision?", Pino asked.

Some of them screamed "Yes, get it over with, maybe I'll be the one who gets a visit of the prostitute!" Most of them just nodded.

"Ok, then," Pino sighed, "Time to use that ancient coin I found a while ago in this theatre."

Pino flipped the coin.

"It seems like shlin28 is our lynch for today. Any last words?"

"What? Why me? You are all crazy! First I vote for nobody, then you complain, then I vote a random guy and now I'm getting lynched! This is outrageous! And I want my money back from the travel agency. Nobody told me I was going to get lynched! I want my lawyer! I..."

BANG !

Everybody stared at Pino's smoking gun. "That's enough words, my friend."

shlin28's blood colored the ground of the theatre, the bullet between his eyes ended his life quickly.

"Well, we only had one murder last night. Let's hope shlin28 was the only criminal who survived the eruption and the nightmare is now over. Since it's so hot these days, I suggest we meet each other tomorrow morning in the park. Good night all."

The crowd left the theatre and went back to their hotel rooms or remnants of their homes.


***

Hosts' tally:

shlin28 : 3 (w&f, Gaius Sribonius Curio, Sasaki) :skull:

The Stranger : 3 (Omanes, Warman, Privateerkev)

GH: 2 (CR, Bananabob)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, LittleGrizzly)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pevergreen)
Privateerkev: 2 (The Stranger, Proletariat)

Sarathos : 1 (Beefy187)
Proletariat: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (00jebus)
woad&fangs: 1 (makaikhaan)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Gaius Sribunius Curio : 1 (TinCow)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
CR: 1 (Glenn)
Bananabob: 1 (shlin28)
Warman: 1 (Caius)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
Husar : 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
axel: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)

Abstain: 2 (Yaropolk, Northnovas)

Not voting : 6 (Sarathos, Zorg, axel, Haudegen, TwilightBlade, Hiji)


Alive (36)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (1)
Seamus Fermanagh

Lynched (1)
shlin28

WoG'ed (0)


It's now night. PM's please.

OOC: Due to real life (family reunion tomorrow + visit of my father and mother in law on Sunday), the coming night phase will last for 48 hours and will end on Sunday +/- 22h00 (GMT +2)

Don't forget: Sunday is mother's day!

[shlin28]

~:mecry:

When will I ever survive the first night/day phase???

[TinCow]

FoS: Everyone who jumped on the, admittedly small, PK bandwagon at various points in time. This was his very first voting phase of his very first mafia game and he always posts with this exact same frequency in the Throne Room. I have not seen a single post that would be out of the ordinary for him. I see no legitimate reason to go after him at this point in the game. Hanging your vote on a verbose n00b is scummy.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hm, This will be intersted!

[Csargo]

I may be new but that sounds very defensive;

Unvote, Vote Ichigo

Why? I was just pointing it out.

[Privateerkev]

FoS: Everyone who jumped on the, admittedly small, PK bandwagon at various points in time. This was his very first voting phase of his very first mafia game and he always posts with this exact same frequency in the Throne Room. I have not seen a single post that would be out of the ordinary for him. I see no legitimate reason to go after him at this point in the game. Hanging your vote on a verbose n00b is scummy.

FoS: TinCow

You could have said that at any time the past two days but you didn't. While I appreciate the words of support now, they were strangely lacking when I needed them most. I came very close to being band-wagoned out during the first voting phase. The above post from you could have put that whole affair to bed in an instant. But you waited until it became clear that I was safe and only now you post something you could have posted yesterday or earlier today.

:no:

Now, the above is not meant to imply in any way that you had some sort of duty to speak out. You certainly didn't. But the fact that you waited showed that your move was quite strategic. Hence it raises my suspicion.

[TinCow]

I intentionally said nothing about your posting pattern because I wanted to see who would go after you. You are an obvious target for lazy mafia and thus it was useful to see who would take the bait. In any case, it's not my job to bail you out of your own mess.

And for the record, I'm not supporting you, I'm simply suspicious of the people who went after you. Just because I see no reason to distrust you doesn't mean I trust you. In these games, you are guilty until proven innocent.

[Privateerkev]

I intentionally said nothing about your posting pattern because I wanted to see who would go after you. You are an obvious target for lazy mafia and thus it was useful to see who would take the bait. In any case, it's not my job to bail you out of your own mess.

No it is not (and I think I said that) but it is telling. If you were planning on using me as bait for Mafia, you could have told me at any time. Instead you sat by and attempted to quietly defend Proletariat. Now that Proletariat and I have come to something of an understanding, you come out with a supportive statement for me well after I actually needed it.

It is your timing I question, not your lack of help. It is early but I am already noticing the two of you acting in concert. I see I will need to continue keeping an eye on both of you.

[PershsNhpios]

Well now Proletariat - that was cold-blooded and malicious of you.

That was so nasty it could not even be put down to a matter of survival, seeing as there were so many people in the tie.

So you're not a townie, Proletariat, I didn't think that at all, I thought you would be a pro-town role - perhaps you are the assassin.
Although I admit the last is baseless.

Apart from Prole, my other suspicion is the obvious one - Stranger, who was equally malnourished when he joined the sudden bandwagon.

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void..

---


Sasaki has my support for being one of the most well-intentioned and sensible voters this entire round.
And he is the only player I have confidence in due to his behaviour and lack of aggression this game. Although perhaps we will need aggression.

I had no particular suspicion of Shlin28, but far better he than GeneralHankerchief. I don't think we killed any criminals this round.

[Privateerkev]

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

But I suspect he is working with Proletariat. They both attacked Sasaki at the same time. Then TC came to Prole's defense when I first suspected her. Then when her and I seemed to mend fences in a PM, TC spoke out against those who band-wagoned me.

But maybe those are all just coincidences. But with little else to go on, they are at least something.

[Csargo]

Well now Proletariat - that was cold-blooded and malicious of you.

That was so nasty it could not even be put down to a matter of survival, seeing as there were so many people in the tie.

So you're not a townie, Proletariat, I didn't think that at all, I thought you would be a pro-town role - perhaps you are the assassin.
Although I admit the last is baseless.

Apart from Prole, my other suspicion is the obvious one - Stranger, who was equally malnourished when he joined the sudden bandwagon.

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void..

---


Sasaki has my support for being one of the most well-intentioned and sensible voters this entire round.
And he is the only player I have confidence in due to his behaviour and lack of aggression this game. Although perhaps we will need aggression.

I had no particular suspicion of Shlin28, but far better he than GeneralHankerchief. I don't think we killed any criminals this round.

Why are you suspicious of Khan?

What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?


But I suspect he is working with Proletariat. They both attacked Sasaki at the same time. Then TC came to Prole's defense when I first suspected her. Then when her and I seemed to mend fences in a PM, TC spoke out against those who band-wagoned me.

But maybe those are all just coincidences. But with little else to go on, they are at least something.

PM you say. Also, to your TC and Prole partnership, do you really believe they would be so obvious about it? Two experienced players doing it is unlikely.

[Caius]

Warman, its a welcome to mafia. Its not intended to make you lynched. Its a common tradition we have here.

[Privateerkev]

Why are you suspicious of Khan?

He isn't. He said his suspicion toward Khan is now "null and void".


What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?

I think it has to do with the fact that Sasaki is less aggressive towards a noob like me. :D



PM you say. Also, to your TC and Prole partnership, do you really believe they would be so obvious about it? Two experienced players doing it is unlikely.

I don't think they are obvious about it. Those three things might be nothing. They might be total coincidences. Or, it could be that they are two townies who happen to have a good rapport with each other due to their working together in Netherworld. In fact, I find it quite ironic that you are now speaking out in defense of your old Team Hades. :beam:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Warman, its a welcome to mafia. Its not intended to make you lynched. Its a common tradition we have here.


Ah ok, You had me for a minute :yes: :laugh4:

[Csargo]

He isn't. He said his suspicion toward Khan is now "null and void".

No, he said his suspicion of CR was null and void.


I think it has to do with the fact that Sasaki is less aggressive towards a noob like me. :D

Maybe, but I'd rather hear if from him.


I don't think they are obvious about it. Those three things might be nothing. They might be total coincidences. Or, it could be that they are two townies who happen to have a good rapport with each other due to their working together in Netherworld. In fact, I find it quite ironic that you are now speaking out in defense of your old Team Hades. :beam:

I speak out in defense of those I think are innocent based on an analysis of their posts. Just because they were my teammates before doesn't make me biased towards thinking they are innocent and defending them, which seems to be what you're getting at.

[Privateerkev]

No, he said his suspicion of CR was null and void.

Here is his full sentence: "I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void."

I read that as him saying he does not suspect either man. Of course, he probably knows what he is saying better than I do so I'll let him take it from here.


I speak out in defense of those I think are innocent based on an analysis of their posts. Just because they were my teammates before doesn't make me biased towards thinking they are innocent and defending them, which seems to be what you're getting at.

Good to hear it. All I've said about them is that I have found actions of both people to be suspicious. I don't pretend to have anything solid. I'm not standing on a box pointing at them and screaming that they are mafia. I'm simply suspicious of the both of them due to things they have said and done. So, I'll keep an eye on them.

As for your link to them in another game, I merely found it "ironic". You've given me no reason to think your working with them nor have I found anything you have done to be suspicious.

I simply believe in answering point for point because that is what I feel we should be doing right now. Which is talking and getting to the bottom of all of this.

[Csargo]

I read that as him saying he does not suspect either man. Of course, he probably knows what he is saying better than I do so I'll let him take it from here.

After rereading you're probably right. Sorry, if my tone seemed angry. :bow:


Good to hear it. All I've said about them is that I have found actions of both people to be suspicious. I don't pretend to have anything solid. I'm not standing on a box pointing at them and screaming that they are mafia. I'm simply suspicious of the both of them due to things they have said and done. So, I'll keep an eye on them.

As for your link to them in another game, I merely found it "ironic". You've given me no reason to think your working with them nor have I found anything you have done to be suspicious.

I simply believe in answering point for point because that is what I feel we should be doing right now. Which is talking and getting to the bottom of all of this.

Talking is always a good thing in these games. I believe you I was just curious about what you thought. You seem to be acting normally from what I've seen from the Test Game at least.

[Privateerkev]

OOC: It's all good. :beam:

I'm still getting used to being inquisitive without being overly aggressive.

We're basically trapped in a big room with 30 something people and we know a few of them are cold-blooded killers. It would put anyone on edge. ^_^

[PershsNhpios]

I will return soon to speak more;

But for now I simply wish to confirm that I do not have any suspicion of either Kukri or CrazedRabbit any longer.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Zorg]

Wow... this game went exceedingly quickly, I put it off for a few days and it grows to 10 pages...

I must say I find myself quite hopeless at really seeing guilt in players, but I can tell you what my gut instinct is saying.

Personally Glenn seems suspicious to me. His whole "I was standing back and observing" at the start excuse seems suspicious to me.

Also as stated before (don't have time to find the quote) Sasaki's prostitute reveal seems odd to me, and I don't think this has been addressed.

[PershsNhpios]

So then Zorg, except for a perverse three or four players, you would suspect everyone in this game so far?

How many players here stand back and observe, and read the thread before posting their ideas and suspicions?

Without it one's accusations are groundless, and where have you been all this time - to suddenly come forward and accuse me, and then claim that something which has been addressed in detail especially by Andres has not in fact in your eyes been discussed at all?

You did not have this same blindness in Capo II Zorg.

[Privateerkev]

Also as stated before (don't have time to find the quote) Sasaki's prostitute reveal seems odd to me, and I don't think this has been addressed.

Andres confirmed that he gives prostitute pm's to everyone the prostitute sleeps with, regardless of the person's role. After that, it pretty much died and others started suspecting others. I think that is why it hasn't been addressed lately.

*edit*

sorry, Glenn has just addressed this. That is what I get for watching a movie while posting. ^_^

[Husar]

I don't really get why you bastards lynched shlin again, you always come up with some stupid nonsensical reason to lynch him early, I'm considering suicide or to just stop playing because this is retarded and doesn't give me a lot of hope for the rest of the game... :thumbsdown:

[PershsNhpios]

Well, it may be a tragedy for him, that his fortune is so harsh - but surely it does not give you sufficient grief to attack and abuse the other members here - especially in such a broad manner.

This is of course, unless you required Shlin in order to play the game more effectively. Then your threats and anger may be justified.

[Husar]

I was just looking for some attention. ~D

I could've said it nicer but I always feel like noone listens then so I tried a different approach.
And I don't really buy that people actually suspect shlin in almost every first round, despite that I saw a lot more reasons to vote for other people like prole who IMO is still acting weird or maybe I'm just mean and stupid and will destroy the game for all of you, which would also make me proud. ~:pissed:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Well Husar, as is the case with just about everyone, my first-round vote was semi-random. I didn't know that Shlin always gets lynched! Plus I haven't checked the thread in a while, so while TS actually in retrospect seems to be a better lynch... I was too late!


This is of course, unless you required Shlin in order to play the game more effectively. Then your threats and anger may be justified.

Insinuating that they are both suspicious? From my limited understanding of other peoples personalities, I'd say not so much as to be sufficiently above the norm. I mean everyone's suspicious atm.

I'd back your opinion that Sasaki seems to be among the most sensible voters atm. I'd also say that you seem to be very well-reasoned, even if I don't necessarily agree with you.

FOS:The Stranger


very suspicious... reminds me of me

:laugh4: But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty. So he provides the reasoning behind his arguments and gets jumped on for something he's already refuted! Either you were genuinely confused (tired maybe) or you were delibrately trying to confuse things, and lynch, currently the best contributor to the thread, at least in terms of volume and enthusiasm.

Explanation please.

[Caius]

doesn't mean that hes guilty
How do you know that? are you two in something?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Its a figure of speech... lol.

Edit: I'll expand on that. You may (or may not) have noticed that I type/talk in a very incoherent and crazy way. Pretty much I type exactly how I'd say something in real life. Hence, exaggeration, overreaction, irony, sarcasm, literalism... etc. are all present in my posts.

...I didn't say that I knew anything. Its called musing/asking a question. IMO, atm The Stranger is more suspicious than PK. Soooo, its up to The Stranger to adequately answer it.

Btw: I'm tired and cranky, so apologies for any offence, I didn't mean it...

[Csargo]

What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?

Glenn you never answered my question.

I'll be gone for probably most of today and part of tomorrow.

[naut]

Hmmm, some of the roles Andres has cooked up will pose interesting in the course of this game. Namely the Prostitute and Juliette.

Wading through the first couple pages of WIFOMs was fairly, um ... useless (:laugh4:). But, it does pose some valuable info into how certain players are approaching this game, and will act as a good means to cross-reference later on.

So far Seamus was a American tourist(?) thus likely a townie. And from the kill write-up

The experienced killer
Who smothered him, and used a knife.
- I'm guessing that Manfredo would have been investigating last night, trying to find Juliette, so I'd rule him out.
- Taketsi was probably also investigating, rather than making hits, (unless of course he/she felt very lucky :laugh4:).
- Gianluca and Luciano would likely be the suspects, depending on the secret role of course.
>>>> So one hit, last night. Two (three?) possibilities:
-- One of them was afraid of being investigated night one, thus didn't kill, indicating experience or believing themselves to be a prime suspect.
-- One of them was AFK, thus indicating a lurker or potential WOG victim.
-- One of them was role blocked, unlikely though if we look at Sasaki's PM from Andres:

You were watching television that night, feeling a bit bored.
Indicating Sasaki was indeed doing nothing, most likely a townie. But, Sasaki is a wily fellow, wouldn't take my eye off him just yet.

Most of this is probably useless/obvious. :shrug:

[Privateerkev]

I don't really get why you bastards lynched shlin again, you always come up with some stupid nonsensical reason to lynch him early, I'm considering suicide or to just stop playing because this is retarded and doesn't give me a lot of hope for the rest of the game... :thumbsdown:

I didn't see him as being very suspicious but I'm new and don't know people well enough to tell if someone is acting differently from how they normally act. To me, most of you simply don't talk a lot and I just assume it is the norm for you until a veteran brings up that it is not the norm for that particular player.

I was trying to get The Stranger lynched but he ended up tying with Shlin and lucking out at random.org.


FOS:The Stranger

:laugh4: But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty. So he provides the reasoning behind his arguments and gets jumped on for something he's already refuted! Either you were genuinely confused (tired maybe) or you were delibrately trying to confuse things, and lynch, currently the best contributor to the thread, at least in terms of volume and enthusiasm.

Well, if I don't always bring quality with my posts, at least I bring enthusiasm. I always thought a good stream of conversation and banter was good for a game. And since we don't have an OOC thread, this thread serves multiple purposes. Hence, it is going to fill up relatively fast.


How do you know that? are you two in something?

I think he meant that me talking a lot does not automatically make me guilty. Gabby yes, guilty no. I would talk like this no matter what role I had. Because it is me. I struggled before the game to figure out how much I should post because I noticed those who post too little/too much get suspected. But it would be too much work to manufacture posting habits so I will just post like I always do.


Hmmm, some of the roles Andres has cooked up will pose interesting in the course of this game. Namely the Prostitute and Juliette.

Wading through the first couple pages of WIFOMs was fairly, um ... useless (:laugh4:). But, it does pose some valuable info into how certain players are approaching this game, and will act as a good means to cross-reference later on.

So far Seamus was a American tourist(?) thus likely a townie. And from the kill write-up

Who smothered him, and used a knife.
- I'm guessing that Manfredo would have been investigating last night, trying to find Juliette, so I'd rule him out.
- Taketsi was probably also investigating, rather than making hits, (unless of course he/she felt very lucky :laugh4:).
- Gianluca and Luciano would likely be the suspects, depending on the secret role of course.
>>>> So one hit, last night. Two (three?) possibilities:
-- One of them was afraid of being investigated night one, thus didn't kill, indicating experience or believing themselves to be a prime suspect.
-- One of them was AFK, thus indicating a lurker or potential WOG victim.
-- One of them was role blocked, unlikely though if we look at Sasaki's PM from Andres:

Indicating Sasaki was indeed doing nothing, most likely a townie. But, Sasaki is a wily fellow, wouldn't take my eye off him just yet.

Most of this is probably useless/obvious. :shrug:

I like your analysis. I do hope that we have no non-townie roles going to WoG's or inactive/semi-active players. I want competition, not winning because a role is inactive.

I don't think Sasaki was one of the Gianluca/Luciana killers. It just doesn't seem right from what I know. So, I suspect one Carelli killer struck while one laid low. Or one struck while one was logged off and inactive.

I'm also assuming Taketsi and Manfredo investigated. It just seems like what they'd do. Mr trench coat (or black cloak if you prefer) is a mystery. The prostitute was obviously busy beating one of the players with a wooden pole. And Julliette and the Detective were hiding and most likely doing their own investigations. I think that covers every special role I know of.

I guess this post is just one long "I agree with you" post but I'd like to see discussion continue.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What, why was Glenn suspicious of me in the first place?

CR

[PershsNhpios]

Because at one stage there seemed to be weak, (Admittedly weak), traces of a conspiracy against GeneralHankerchief.

This has been subsided by other things now.

Ichigo, though you are away I will answer your question, I'm sorry I thought it was obvious already;
PrivateerKev was in a position where players like Sasaki and Omanes Alexandrapolites had ample power to have him lynched.

Instead, both of them made logical replies and changed their votes - and this was most surprising coming from Sasaki - as he is usually quite willing to ramp up any bandwagon, but this time showed self-control.

For this reason, and for reasons of his inactivity and lack of word-twisting posts, I feel that he does not have a major role in this game, and could even be content just to watch.
Especially if he hasn't time due to outside circumstances.

I hope that clarifies my confidence in him.


When players like Caius come forth with frivolous one-liners, attempting to cause dissent amongst players in the most careless style - they aren't really deserving of any reply.



But I am in agreement with Rythmic, in that he has shown a more concrete approach to gathering evidence, and is not succumbing to simple speculation.
I won't comment on anyone again for that reason until we have some proper evidence from the host, (High time we did!).

[KukriKhan]

So, night time. And a long one, at that. This townie can only hope that the Prostitute visits his miserable shack tonight, and forgets the wooden board (splinters, ouch!), and instead brings her healing, fragrant oils and balms, and female mysteries, and intimate murmurs, and swirling fantasies :belly:, and intriguing stories...

... and that she can cook a decent breakfast. :)

Happy Mother's Day to any Mothers out there (Mama-waio and Mrs. Kukri the only two I am aware of)! :DAISeY::balloon2: :DAISeY:

[Caius]

When players like Caius come forth with frivolous one-liners, attempting to cause dissent amongst players in the most careless style - they aren't really deserving of any reply.
I can't say a lot at the moment. I saw the first vote to GH from CR, and I think there could be something, must reread the whole thing. There could be two things happening, but those are my theories.

[PershsNhpios]

1.. 2.. 3...

Come on, breathe, BREATHE!

[The Stranger]

to my defence.

I realize, after re-reading the thread I made a mistake. I was short on time and slightly distracted by other worldly beauties, so when I read

Prole: Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.

PK: Then we have a deal. :D

I immediatly jumped conclusions and voted for PK. I hadn't read the posts before that one, but now I have and I realise I was wrong. About the bandwagon, I hadn't seen a tally so I didnt know I was third, nor that there was a bandwagon.

To andres, I'm short on time and considering withdrawing due exams. Is there any possibility you could arange a replacement?

[Andres]

Night 2- Conclusion.


The tourists and villagers went back to their respective shelters, most of them shocked by the scene of shlin28's lynching.

GeneralHankerchief was at the bar in his hotel, having a drink with several other villagers. As the night continued, and more alcohol was being consumed, the general mood changed and people started to party. While dancing with a local beauty, GeneralHankerchief spilled his Wodka-Martini all over his shirt.

He apologised to the lady and quickly went to his room, to use the bathroom and get another shirt. While he was looking in his closet for a shirt, a well dressed man, a fibre wire in his hand, grabbed the General, aimed under his adam's apple and garrotted him. GeneralHankerchief didn't make a sound while slowly dieing, his last thoughts going to the local beauty he just met a couple of minutes ago...

***
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makaikhaan went out for a walk in the village of Taormina.

While thinking about what happened the last few days, he came near the funivia.

All of the sudden, he fell down, after having received a hard knock on his head. A bit later, he woke up, finding himself tied up on one of the funivia's cabines, hanging upside down, twenty meters above the ground.

"Why do you hate my family?"

"Huh? Hey man, come on, untie me, this is dangerous! Are you crazy?" makaikhaan screamed.

"Well, some people indeed call me crazy. But I'll untie you, makaikhaan."

The strange man cut the ropes and makaikhaan fell down. makaikhaan died on impact. His killer grinned.

***

Hiji was in his hotelroom. Last night, the nightmares came back. The former marine didn't want to go through this hell. He grabbed his pistol and shot himself in the head.

***

In another hotel, strange sounds could be heard, coming out of a locked room.

"Aw! That hurts!"

The voice of an angel could be heard. "Come on honey, you wanted to look female. All body hear has to go... Ah, now you look female, darling. Just let me attach these thingies on your nostrils and we can start."

"Crazy woman! I said no electric shocks! Please!"

"You'll like it."

The buzzing sound and the screams for more, more, more,... kept going for several hours.

"I told you you would like it!"

"Hey, come back! I want more electro shocks! Please!"

"Bye sweetheart!"

***

Day 2

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Taormina - Giardino Publico - 7 a.m.

"Good morning ladies and gentleman," an unshaven Pino greeted the crowd. "I have some bad news."

"We found the body of GeneralHankerchief in his room. It seems like he was strangled. Nobody heard or saw the assasination, probably because of the big party that was going on in the bar. Also, we found makaikhaan's body, at least, what was left of it. Also, we found Hiji's body. The little note we found next to him suggests that he couldn't take the stress anymore and thus he decided to end his life. It seems like we still have some individuals with bad intentions among us, so I suggest you all start voting again."

***

Alive (33)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (3)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan

Lynched (1)
shlin28

WoG'ed (0)

Suicide (1)

Hiji

***

It's now day, so you can start voting. No RL obligations the common day, so we're back on normal 24 hour phases. Voting will end on Monday +/- 22h00 (GMT +2)

[Csargo]

Vote:00jebus

His reason for voting me last round seemed like something he just pulled out his hat to vote someone.

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
I have a feeling that at least one of the mafiosi is a veteran player.

[shlin28]

Would whoever got blocked reveal themselves please?

From the kills it seems the two mafias made kills, so that leaves Manfred, Juliette and the black clocked man, which means if you speak up, we know at least you won't be one of the three mafia :yes:

[Northnovas]

I have a feeling that at least one of the mafiosi is a veteran player.

I would have to agree at least one veteran player. GH is always a target in the early round and a threat to any mafia. A definite town loss.
No vote yet.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I would have to agree at least one veteran player. GH is always a target in the early round and a threat to any mafia. A definite town loss.
No vote yet.


Same, I'll wait for a moment before I actually vote.

[seireikhaan]

Lynch Ichigo.

First he stayed in the shadows at the beginning, not lodging his usual vote:sasaki. Then, he starts acting overtly analytical and helpful. His behavior's off, I say take him out.

[00jebus]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit


As I have to trust 2 assesments on GH's value, he is an experienced player who voted for him (first I think) last round.

[TinCow]

All three deaths so far have been experienced players who have also been major game hosts. I personally believe that it is better for the mafia to leave veterans alive, as experienced players tend to be viewed with more suspicion than newbies. It is easier to hide when there are many possible suspects. I therefore think it is more likely that the mafia are newer or less experienced players... at least whichever of the mafia have been killing so far.

I will reserve my vote until I hear more.

[Csargo]

Lynch Ichigo.

First he stayed in the shadows at the beginning, not lodging his usual vote:sasaki. Then, he starts acting overtly analytical and helpful. His behavior's off, I say take him out.

I've been active the entire game. I did vote Sasaki, just because I didn't do it how you expected isn't my fault. I don't know how that's bad, could you explain it to me?

[PershsNhpios]

Vote: CrazedRabbit

I want to know why, seeing as GeneralHankerchief failed to be lynched yesterday - that he was a priority for death last night - considering he hasn't even been active.

That simply reeks of the people who bandwagoned him having the same opinion as the Mafia.

FOS: KukriKhan

On the other hand, there is the argument it may be a set-up.

(As for the bit about the electro shocks and body-shaving - Andres has a wil imagination - we can't believe all the things he puts up for truth!)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Most people haven't done enough for me to have an opinion on them yet. Most of the day 1 votes were simple random choice votes. The following have posted enough to merit comment:

Glenn gives me an innocent feel because he talks so much and puts his opinion out there. He is playing just like he did when he was a townie. I haven't seen him play as mafia though.

Privateerkev has posted a lot but I don't have any feeling on him. I think he makes mistakes in judgement but can't tell if that's new-town player or new-mafia player.

TinCow is too cautious for my liking and backed off a shade too strongly.


Vote:Sasaki

I don't like the fact that he revealed that he was blocked by the prostitute.

I don't like Ichigo's vote here. His post count seems up from pre school mafia and his posts also seem cautious. I don't like his going after glenn in post 288. Glenn's posts are easy to pick on and a tempting target for mafia.


PM you say. Also, to your TC and Prole partnership, do you really believe they would be so obvious about it? Two experienced players doing it is unlikely.

In fact, I find it quite ironic that you are now speaking out in defense of your old Team Hades.


I speak out in defense of those I think are innocent based on an analysis of their posts. Just because they were my teammates before doesn't make me biased towards thinking they are innocent and defending them, which seems to be what you're getting at.

I don't like that Ichigo is saying he thinks Prole and TinCow are innocent based on analysis of their posts. The number of posts is small so far and neither of them has done anything that strikes me as innocent. He also makes no mention of thinking they are innocent in his initial post where he merely went after glenn's reasoning. If he defends those he thinks are innocent why didn't he defend prole from her other voters? His post strikes me as an overly defensive reaction to PK (who only said it was ironic not suspicious).

Vote:Ichigo


I'm not willing to draw conclusions based on the deaths of experienced players. It's happened in several games and I don't believe any correlation has been found. Not a fan of people making claims about it since that's the kind of things I used to do in my first couple games as mafia.


All three deaths so far have been experienced players who have also been major game hosts. I personally believe that it is better for the mafia to leave veterans alive, as experienced players tend to be viewed with more suspicion than newbies. It is easier to hide when there are many possible suspects. I therefore think it is more likely that the mafia are newer or less experienced players... at least whichever of the mafia have been killing so far.

I will reserve my vote until I hear more.

So you think the kills point to someone other than yourself, because you believe it's bad for the mafia to kill experienced players? As I said I don't like this reasoning.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Damn, not even a visit from the prostitute before I went. :laugh4:

I'll still be around, don't worry town.

[PershsNhpios]

You are quite correct Sasaki - lynching solely on the evidence of night actions is not enough - however my vote remains on CrazedRabbit until he can explain the coincedence.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:Ichigo


Been acted very defensive lately, and been defending people I believed may be wise to watch out for.

[PershsNhpios]

Wait.. I have reread the last few pages.
I should have more faith in the strategic ability of the Mafia - killing GH would have been to obvious a move - especially if CR was a criminal.
For now I change my vote in favour of the greatest and most sensible evidence.

Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Ichigo

[BananaBob]

Woohoo for 100 posts:laugh4:

I was not aware that I band wagoned GeneralHankercheif, I just wanted get more game related discussion's.

Vote:Abstain for now

[TinCow]

So you think the kills point to someone other than yourself, because you believe it's bad for the mafia to kill experienced players? As I said I don't like this reasoning.

As I said, I thought it more likely, not that it's absolutely the case. It's quite possible that it's an experienced player doing exactly that to confuse us. However, I prefer to stick to the simpler explanation until I see evidence to the contrary. It's just a hunch, though at this point in the game, I see no reason to count anyone out.

[Csargo]

I don't like Ichigo's vote here. His post count seems up from pre school mafia and his posts also seem cautious. I don't like his going after glenn in post 288. Glenn's posts are easy to pick on and a tempting target for mafia.

Why not? I was a detective in preschool mafia, so I tried to stay under the radar, and as far as my posts being cautious I have nothing to say to that because I'm not being cautious, maybe some examples Sasaki? I didn't pick on Glenn, never did I accuse him of anything or vote for him. It wouldn't make sense for me to go after Glenn and then not use that against him.



I don't like that Ichigo is saying he thinks Prole and TinCow are innocent based on analysis of their posts. The number of posts is small so far and neither of them has done anything that strikes me as innocent. He also makes no mention of thinking they are innocent in his initial post where he merely went after glenn's reasoning. If he defends those he thinks are innocent why didn't he defend prole from her other voters? His post strikes me as an overly defensive reaction to PK (who only said it was ironic not suspicious).

Vote:Ichigo

It's a gut feeling based on how I perceive their posts. The feel I get from their posts doesn't make me suspicious of them, but that doesn't mean I'm completely convinced they're clean. Why would I? The only reason Prole and TC were brought up was because PK hinted at them working together, so why would I waste space saying the same thing twice. Easy, I probably wasn't around then. He says one thing and means another, it's not a far jump from being ironic to him becoming suspicious of that fact.


Vote:Ichigo


Been acted very defensive lately, and been defending people I believed may be wise to watch out for.

Where have I been defensive? Why don't you point out a couple of posts? That may be your opinion, but I'm an entirely different person with different thoughts. ~;)


Wait.. I have reread the last few pages.
I should have more faith in the strategic ability of the Mafia - killing GH would have been to obvious a move - especially if CR was a criminal.
For now I change my vote in favour of the greatest and most sensible evidence.

Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Ichigo

What evidence? You've failed to point anything out. You're just bandwagoning claiming to be supporting "evidence". I think you and 00jebus are mafia.

[PershsNhpios]

Based on the evidence that you have been acting strangely, even to me - and that so many - not just two - but a number of experienced players have noticed the oddity of your behaviour.

I will prove I am not bandwagoning by two things;

First, to speak in your defense, I say to Sasaki that I don't recall Ichigo attacking my posts, but he was instead attacking PrivateerKev. In any case - it should be known that he wasn't as aggressive to me as was shown.

Secondly, I have the promise that the vote will be changed as soon as I have reason to believe I had something worthy of investigation in CrazedRabbit and KukriKhan.

[Caius]

Since when KukriKhan is a suspect? I think he hasn't post yet?

[PershsNhpios]

Kukri voted GH, and said also that he was going to jump on the bandwagon without a reason.

He later changed his vote.

[KukriKhan]

Since when KukriKhan is a suspect? I think he hasn't post yet?

Merely 9 (make that 10, now) posts to your 8. :beam:

[Csargo]

Based on the evidence that you have been acting strangely, even to me - and that so many - not just two - but a number of experienced players have noticed the oddity of your behaviour.

I will prove I am not bandwagoning by two things;

First, to speak in your defense, I say to Sasaki that I don't recall Ichigo attacking my posts, but he was instead attacking PrivateerKev. In any case - it should be known that he wasn't as aggressive to me as was shown.

Secondly, I have the promise that the vote will be changed as soon as I have reason to believe I had something worthy of investigation in CrazedRabbit and KukriKhan.

Could you quote some posts and explain why they're strange and oddity in my previous behavior?

This is strange. Seems like just an attempt to make you seem innocent. No one would defend someone they thought was guilty and worth voting for. It doesn't make sense.

I wasn't attacking PK, I was pointing out the fact that prole and TC working together so obviously, would be highly unlikely.

[KukriKhan]

Kukri voted GH, and said also that he was going to jump on the bandwagon without a reason.

He later changed his vote.

I change the tense to make that a correct statement: " Kukri voted GH, and later explained that he jumped on the bandwagon without real reason [to stimulate conversation]

He later (hours before the lynch deadline) changed his vote."

There ya go. Fixed. No charge. :2thumbsup:

[TinCow]

I'm sure this will just raise more eyebrows from people who think that I'm somehow working with Prole and Ichigo, but I've got to agree with Ichigo here. Glenn is has been going after people pretty aggressively, considering there's almost nothing to go on. His reasoning has been poor and he's acting like there's more to it than there really is.

[PershsNhpios]

(To Ichigo)

If you mention that it seems to make me appear innocent, then there must be some proof of my innocence therein - because I attempted only to use moderation in how I view the different players.

Especially in matters concerning whether they live or die.

Tell me, then - and I will remove my vote so long as you are willing to keep yourself out in the open - why Prole and TC are so obviously working together.

You have then seen evidence of them working as a team also - but think it too obvious?

I didn't defend you - in the words of most American idealists - I was defending truth. You didn't attack me, and I wanted to make that clear.

Else you could end up lynched for false reasons.

And on that note, until I am more convinced. Unvote: Ichigo Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm sure this will just raise more eyebrows from people who think that I'm somehow working with Prole and Ichigo, but I've got to agree with Ichigo here. Glenn is has been going after people pretty aggressively, considering there's almost nothing to go on. His reasoning has been poor and he's acting like there's more to it than there really is.

Don't you recall last game where Glenn hounded prole near incessantly with some rather preposterous claims? :dizzy2:

[Tratorix]

I'm finding it a bit odd that Glenn and Sasaki seem to be so chummy. They both seem to believe each other innocent based on nothing, now their ganging up on Ichigo.

Also, Sasaki, why did you reveal that you were blocked by the prostitute? I can't really see the reasoning for this and would like it if you could enlighten me.

[naut]

I'm getting some really bad vibes from some players. But, when only a few people take the spotlight many of the others (guilty or not) can slink around in the shadows, which is never good. More thoughts coming soon.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why not? I was a detective in preschool mafia, so I tried to stay under the radar, and as far as my posts being cautious I have nothing to say to that because I'm not being cautious, maybe some examples Sasaki? I didn't pick on Glenn, never did I accuse him of anything or vote for him. It wouldn't make sense for me to go after Glenn and then not use that against him.

Your post count has been down in general in recent games (capo etc). Your posts this game have an air of someone trying avoid a negative reaction. It is easy for mafia to make a pro-town appearance by pointing out mistakes in one of glenn's posts. Everyone makes mistakes, pointing them out is easy. Actual analysis is much harder to fake.



It's a gut feeling based on how I perceive their posts. The feel I get from their posts doesn't make me suspicious of them, but that doesn't mean I'm completely convinced they're clean. Why would I? The only reason Prole and TC were brought up was because PK hinted at them working together, so why would I waste space saying the same thing twice. Easy, I probably wasn't around then. He says one thing and means another, it's not a far jump from being ironic to him becoming suspicious of that fact.


None of this is particularly significant. It was clear that this was your claimed reasoning from your original posts.

[Privateerkev]

Wow, seems like a lot happened last night. Let's look at what details we do have.

First, here are the mafia roles in Andres's first post:

Gianluca and Luciano : two made gangsters of the Carelli family. They have a stash of illegal nuclear weapons hidden in Taormina. They have to get it out of the place, without witnesses. Since the stash is big and they'll have to use a truck, they won't be able to leave unnoticed under the current circumstances. So, they'll have to kill every inhabitant of the town. Only guilty on investigation when performing a kill.

Taketsi : one of the most cruel killers wandering around this earth. He's a member of an important yakuza family. His job is to take out Gianluca and Luciano and to get the nuclear weapons out of the place. He is able investigate 2 players each night or to kill 1 player. When killing, he'll turn out guilty upon investigation by the Carabinieri or Juliette. If he doesn't kill at night, he'll turn up innocent.

GH was garroted and not smothered with a pillow. I don't know if that is significant and we won't know if killers have a signature style unless there are more killings. But regardless, I believe GH was killed by one of the Carelli's.

Now, makaikhaan's death seemed strange to me. The reference to family makes me wonder if makaikhaan was a Carelli mobster and was killed by Taketsi. Now, this would mean that Taketsi would have had to have gotten very lucky in his investigation on night one but it is possible.

Not long ago, makaikhaan made this post:


Lynch Ichigo.

First he stayed in the shadows at the beginning, not lodging his usual vote:sasaki. Then, he starts acting overtly analytical and helpful. His behavior's off, I say take him out.

Therefore, I wonder if Ichigo is Taketsi and makaikhaan is trying to get revenge by getting us to lynch him.

I want to know what the rest of you think of this theory.

Since The Stranger is seeming to be having OOC real life issues with time, he is no longer my number one suspect. But with this new information, Ichigo has now moved into that spot.

vote: Ichigo

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

@ The Stranger: I'm satisfied for now, my FOS shall be removed.

For now Vote:Abstain

In addition, I believe that PK has a point about MakaiKhaan's death.

Edit: Upon rereading Andres' update, this could be the case. As, afaik, there is only the three 'mafia' characters, it makes sense to be one of them killing another. With regard to Khaan's comment though PK, I don't believe that that is the case. ie: I think Khaan is just giving his opion.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm finding it a bit odd that Glenn and Sasaki seem to be so chummy. They both seem to believe each other innocent based on nothing, now their ganging up on Ichigo.

This isn't true.


Also, Sasaki, why did you reveal that you were blocked by the prostitute? I can't really see the reasoning for this and would like it if you could enlighten me.

Two mafia groups and one kill. If I was the prostitute and had blocked someone I would wonder if I had stopped a kill and if that meant my target was guilty. It's possible the prostitute would have revealed themselves to make that accusation. It was best to avoid that as we would have lost a pro town role.

[woad&fangs]

PKev, you have a decent theory but I see a problem with it. I don't believe there is any way that makaikhaan could have known who Taketsi was.

[Privateerkev]

PKev, you have a decent theory but I see a problem with it. I don't believe there is any way that makaikhaan could have known who Taketsi was.

I admit it is a big hole. But if makaikhaan is indeed mafia, why would he be trying to get us to lynch Ichigo? I guess it could be because he's just trying to help his Carelli buddy. Or my hunch could be right and it could be for revenge. Perhaps Andres gave a clue in his night response PM to makaikhaan.

Of course, the person who killed khaan could be the strange black cloak figure. We have no idea what that person's motivations are.

Or, there could be a role out there that we know nothing about. A serial killer perhaps?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

It could be the black-cloaked figure I suppose but I'd then be confused by the family reference.

[Tratorix]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
I'm finding it a bit odd that Glenn and Sasaki seem to be so chummy. They both seem to believe each other innocent based on nothing, now their ganging up on Ichigo.



This isn't true.

Maybe it was a bit of an exageration, but I still find it odd that you both seem to have posted that you believe the other to be innocent( at least on first impressions) while you were at each others throats for most of Capo.

[TinCow]

Don't you recall last game where Glenn hounded prole near incessantly with some rather preposterous claims? :dizzy2:

Actually, no. I'm sure you're right, but I don't recall what Glenn did in Netherworld. All I can remember of him is from Capo II, where he threw around accusations like buckshot, most of which ended up being completely off the mark. This feels similar to his behavior in Capo II, where Glenn had a special role. However, I really do not have enough game time to make judgments based on peoples usual behavior. At this point, I'm frankly not buying any argument against any of the potential lynchees. I feel like the mafia are just sitting back and letting us rip into each other. I think they'll join in as bandwagons, so I will wait and see who that turns out to be.

[PershsNhpios]

I was new in Capo, nobody understood my writing style or why I sometimes made stupid conclusions due to how I often have to rush through my statements.

I am trying to remedy this, and this game I think I am more sensible in my reasoning.

I am reading through everyone's post history, especially TC's.

One thing I can note, but can not as yet analyse - is that apart from Ichigo's self-defense - every attack, or vote made by him have absolutely no sensible reason behind them.

An example is how he voted for 00Jebus because he voted randomly on the first round for Ichigo. Strange?

Another example is how he then linked 00Jebus to me because we voted for Ichigo at the same time, I can say honestly this was coincedental - look at the posting times and you will see I was writing my message when 00Jebus was voting.

It seems to be an under-the-radar case of simple retaliation, the kind of thing one would expect from pevergreen.

But I'm not voting again yet - I want to stand back for a moment while all these posters come in with their theories.

TC I was not in Netherworld, I was absent from the forums.

[KukriKhan]

It's too bad townies only have teh Lynch for a weapon. If we could form vig teams, it'd give us something to do while we wait for detective results to get revealed, if they ever do.

[naut]

Ok, so from what you guys are saying, "strange" indicates two things, the different or the unknown. So either the black-cloak guy or Taketsi.

The family reference could be: Taketsi killing the Carelli, the black cloak guy killing the Carelli or Taketsi, or the Carelli killing the Taketsi.

Now, 'khaan's reply to the "family" quip was, "Huh?". Maybe Taketsi, attacked the wrong person? I would have thought that if any of the Mafioso roles attacked each other there would have been a fight, or at least more resistance that 'khaan put up.

[Privateerkev]

I think I need to make it more clear that my vote towards Ichigo is because I think he is acting suspicious and defensive. It's not just because khaan made a comment.

Perhaps Ichigo is not mafia. But I believe he is being defensive for some reason. Maybe some lynch votes will convince him to come clean with us.

I still suspect that khaan is mafia but that could be quite separate from Ichigo. Khaan commenting on Ichigo could just be him giving his opinion like Gaius said.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually, no. I'm sure you're right, but I don't recall what Glenn did in Netherworld. All I can remember of him is from Capo II, where he threw around accusations like buckshot, most of which ended up being completely off the mark. This feels similar to his behavior in Capo II, where Glenn had a special role. However, I really do not have enough game time to make judgments based on peoples usual behavior. At this point, I'm frankly not buying any argument against any of the potential lynchees. I feel like the mafia are just sitting back and letting us rip into each other. I think they'll join in as bandwagons, so I will wait and see who that turns out to be.

I was referring to capo.

As for mafia sitting back, this is often cited. But you certainly wouldn't expect me to sit back as mafia--it's really dependent on the person, usually the have to maintain their style. And even if they wanted to sit back, they don't always have that choice. It's also really simple to not join a bandwagon and I doubt that they will be found by that.

:no:

[PershsNhpios]

The reason I have removed my vote of Ichigo is because I believe he is being defensive for the reason that he is on the short list for being lynched.

Really, we all have a right to defend ourselves, especially when a bandwagon forms against us - well-reasoned or not.

We would all be defensive in Ichigo's case, so that is by far not enough to kill him.

That is why I am looking for foolish or disregarding behaviour which is not signature of his playing style.

Can anyone here give a testimony of Ichigo's playing style, and the differences he is making from his norm?
More than one would be good.

[Privateerkev]

Ok, so from what you guys are saying, "strange" indicates two things, the different or the unknown. So either the black-cloak guy or Taketsi.

The family reference could be: Taketsi killing the Carelli, the black cloak guy killing the Carelli or Taketsi, or the Carelli killing the Taketsi.

Now, 'khaan's reply to the "family" quip was, "Huh?". Maybe Taketsi, attacked the wrong person? I would have thought that if any of the Mafioso roles attacked each other there would have been a fight, or at least more resistance that 'khaan put up.

I get the feeling that khaan's killer knew him or knew of him. Where khaan did not seem to know his killer.

Taketsi can investigate people to find out if they are Carellis. Therefore, I think he would only kill a Carelli if he investigated him first. And if Taketsi is just killing random townies, I don't think he would make the comment about "family". Also, Taketsi is famous for being "cruel". Stringing the guy up and letting him hang for a bit before dropping him sounds cruel to me.

Since the Carelli's can't investigate, I don't think they would target Taketsi directly. If they hit him, it would just be because they assumed he's another townie. So I don't see them saying the "family" comment.

As for the black cloak guy, we don't know anything about him so we have no was of knowing if this was him.

Because of all of this, I believe that the killer was Taketsi and was acting on an investigation he did the night before.

It is just a guess but it's the best I got right now.

[TinCow]

I was referring to capo.

As for mafia sitting back, this is often cited. But you certainly wouldn't expect me to sit back as mafia--it's really dependent on the person, usually the have to maintain their style. And even if they wanted to sit back, they don't always have that choice. It's also really simple to not join a bandwagon and I doubt that they will be found by that.

:no:

No, I wouldn't expect you to sit back, but you're at the bottom of my list of suspects at the moment. Contrary to some of the others, I very much approved of you posting about the prostitute PM you received. It was a pro-town thing to do, and it's a big positive in your favor now that Andres has confirmed that he is sending those PMs.

I wouldn't sit back either, but I just don't get enough of a mafia vibe from any of the major posters at this point. At this point in the game, I'm just trying to avoid lynching townies while I wait for the pro-town roles to do their jobs.

[PershsNhpios]

Well, at the risk of looking like a fabricating criminal - and at the risk of someone drawing lines between me and Sasaki once more - I quote the PM I received from Andres last night..

"Night 2 - a sweet night

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You were alone in your room, reading an old newspaper.

The smell of perfume caught your attention.

A voice, the sound of an angel, said to you: "Hi honey, shall I make your night a bit more interesting?"

Angelica came near. She was H-O-T.

You begged her to shave off all your body hair. You also begged her not to give you electro shocks, secretly hoping that she would ignore that last request.

A night without body hair and electro shocks going through your nostrils was all you ever dreamt of.

Andres."

------------------------

I am not proud of the fantasies he discovered for me!
Wait a moment - when did Andres post that he was looking forward to what he could write up as my fantasies?
If he wrote that at night - it could well be proof that I am innocent!

In any case - those of you who assume this quote as truth - will know that I cannot possibly have taken part in the three maximum killings.

There is a prostitute out there who can prove that, though I don't expect them to come forth yet - they can prove I am innocent.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Just to clarify the 'family' comment was:


'Why do you hate my family?'

The Carellis would have no idea what Taketsi was on about as I think they are merely lackeys in the power structure of their family. On the other hand Taketsi knows exactly what hes doing in Taormina, removing a threat to the prestige of his family.

Also, as mentioned, the Carellis have no way of investigating to find Taketsi, all they can do is kill everyone... right?

On the evidence we have it would seem that MaKaiKhann was a Carelli. However apart from confirming that one possible killer is down, how does this help?

[Privateerkev]

On the evidence we have it would seem that MaKaiKhann was a Carelli. However apart from confirming that one possible killer is down, how does this help?

Well, we need to keep this in mind when Khaan comments. After his death, he posted a very strong post against Ichigo telling us to lynch him.

This could be for a few reasons.

1.) Ichigo could have been the yakuza and Khaan was getting revenge.

2.) Khaan is just helping his Carelli buddy by throwing suspicion on a townie.

3.) It could mean nothing and khaan just could have been a townie.

I'm leaning towards 2 without discounting 1. But I do think Ichigo is hiding something. He has been lurking for almost an hour since I first posted my vote. And he is online and reading this thread right now.

[PershsNhpios]

For all this speculation on who was what in the killing;

It all depends on one thing.

That the Mafia and the Assassin and all the bad guys knew exactly who was who and took to each other with amazing skill very early in the game.

I doubt very much everything will occur so neatly for them.

In the same way nobody takes all their evidence from the reasonings of another player - nobody should take all their evidence from the host's reports either.

[naut]

I get the feeling that khaan's killer knew him or knew of him. Where khaan did not seem to know his killer.

Taketsi can investigate people to find out if they are Carellis. Therefore, I think he would only kill a Carelli if he investigated him first. And if Taketsi is just killing random townies, I don't think he would make the comment about "family". Also, Taketsi is famous for being "cruel". Stringing the guy up and letting him hang for a bit before dropping him sounds cruel to me.

Since the Carelli's can't investigate, I don't think they would target Taketsi directly. If they hit him, it would just be because they assumed he's another townie. So I don't see them saying the "family" comment.
Alright, that makes sense, Taketsi killed a Carelli. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


It's too bad townies only have teh Lynch for a weapon. If we could form vig teams, it'd give us something to do while we wait for detective results to get revealed, if they ever do.
I must say, I don't envy the detective. Seems like a tough job.

[pevergreen]

It seems to be an under-the-radar case of simple retaliation, the kind of thing one would expect from pevergreen.
I love how highly you think of me.

I vote OMGUS votes early, as I have nothing to go on.

Continual *****ing about me will just make me vote you again and again or just quit mafia.

:bow:

[Privateerkev]

For all this speculation on who was what in the killing;

It all depends on one thing.

That the Mafia and the Assassin and all the bad guys knew exactly who was who and took to each other with amazing skill very early in the game.

Not all of them. For my theory on Taketsi killing a Carelli to be correct, just requires one thing. And that is for Taketsi to have investigated Khaan in Night 1. Maybe something Khaan said tipped him off. Maybe he got lucky. Maybe he is a veteran who knows Khaan is a veteran. Either way, if he did investigate Khaan, and found out he was a Carelli, it would make sense to whack him as soon a possible. Taketsi wouldn't want the Carelli's taking him out by accident by assuming he is just another townie. Plus he has to kill the Carelli's for his victory requirement. Of course he could just leave Carelli's alive so they kill more of us for him. But that still risks them killing him by accident.

[Csargo]

(To Ichigo)

If you mention that it seems to make me appear innocent, then there must be some proof of my innocence therein - because I attempted only to use moderation in how I view the different players.

No, it means I think you're trying to fabricate an air of innocence to make yourself seem innocent.


Your post count has been down in general in recent games (capo etc). Your posts this game have an air of someone trying avoid a negative reaction. It is easy for mafia to make a pro-town appearance by pointing out mistakes in one of glenn's posts. Everyone makes mistakes, pointing them out is easy. Actual analysis is much harder to fake.

Yet again I ask you what posts you're referring too.

I did not point out mistakes in Glenn's posts, I asked him questions.

As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer.

[PershsNhpios]

Of course, but with a great many players, and not alot of posts from Khaan, it would still require alot of luck.

But let's not speculate on this too much, or we will be accused of WIFOM.

PK, have we in your opinion enough evidence to lynch Ichigo?

[Privateerkev]

As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer.

I believe you.

unvote Ichigo; vote Abstain

I still think Khaan is mafia. But I think he is trying to get us to lynch Ichigo to cover his comrade.

I voted to get you talking. And to start conversation on my theory. I still don't know what is going on but I am convinced for now you are not Mafia.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

CR

[pevergreen]

Vote: Glenn
Never trust anyone when they say that, everyone will always say that.

With one or two exceptions.

[Privateerkev]

Is Glenn the next verbose player that is going to get band-wagoned on?

I have seen nothing in his posts that lead me to believe he is mafia.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: Sigurd; Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Both Carellis and Taketsi were active last night. Glenn was blocked by the prostitute(unless he has the IQ of a chickpea and felt the need to fabricate an alibi that is ridiculously easy to disprove). So, annoying as Glenn may be, he is innocent and it is silly to vote for innocents.

And O my :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: I'm internally narrating everything I think or read in the voice of Yahtzee the game reviewer. :freak:

[PershsNhpios]

Ichigo, what is the difference between someone with an air of innocence and someone with a fabricated air of innocence.

When the latter has innocence fabricated by his nature, and the one has his nature fabricated by innocence?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

CR

And quite frankly sir, your reasoning is non-existent. W&F, raises an excellent point, atm Glenn is innocent. Do you have proof to the contrary?

FOS: Crazed Rabbit

[Privateerkev]

CR's posting history:

Curses! I am doomed not to live as an interesting person in this interesting time.

CR

Hilarious!

And on that note,
vote: GeneralHankerchief

I've seen your whilings and connivings and I won't stand for you to ruin this recently catastrophically devastated town.

What, why was Glenn suspicious of me in the first place?

vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

Your acting suspicious...

vote: Crazed Rabbit

[Csargo]

Ichigo, what is the difference between someone with an air of innocence and someone with a fabricated air of innocence.

When the latter has innocence fabricated by his nature, and the one has his nature fabricated by innocence?

Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I'm convinced.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

I await your defence with interest.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Can't say I didn't see this coming...

Okay, it's simple - I would never post like this if I was guilty. It's not WIFOM because what I've done can only really make me look guilty; it can only increase (significantly) the chance of myself being lynched. I win often when I am mafia, because I don't do this sort of stuff. Even making this argument that no mafioso would post these things does not make this WIFOM - I am still much more likely to get lynched than if I hadn't written those oddball posts (I'd estimate 1/3 to 1/2 chance of me getting lynched this round, but that might be lowballing it. If I hadn't put that last post up I would be nearly completely safe).

CR

PS- What's funny is everyone ignoring pever's quick (11 minute) bandwagon on my obviously without substance vote on Glenn.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: CR; Vote: Curio

You're third on a fairly weak bandwagon. Could you please explain what has caused you to change your opinion of CR?

[PershsNhpios]

??!

What kind of defense was that CR?!

That was terrible, I have respect for you as a Mafia player!

Pevergreen was ignored because he is like those little fish that scavenge off the backs of Whales, and in this case, Bandwagons.

There is substantial evidence conclusive enough that suspicion should at least be raised against CrazedRabbit, especially considering everyone was happy to kill off Ichigo for far less.

FOS: W&F and CrazedRabbit

Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites

A player whom seems to be involved thoroughly in most games, and is extremely good at playing the criminal - I have a nasty vibe coming from him - and instead of leaping on all the bandwagons that come my way, I would prefer to seek out those who deserve attention.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Tut tut, my suspicion of CR, whilst it hasn't been announced in thread has been persisting for a while, and while I was searching the forum for CR's previous posts, looks like PK beat me to it. Theres no point in posting the same (albeit fairly weak) evidence twice. If you'll turn your attention to the thread, I had an FOS on him before I went of searching. What's this third on a bandwagon thing anyway (I'm new).

Edit: In other words, I was trying to put pressure on CR to explain himself. As of yet I'm still not satisfied, so my vote shall remain. Honestly,

I can't be guilty because I'd put more effort in avoiding suspicion if I was...

I don't buy it... I'm sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So CR, is there an explanation for your posting history then? Or is just strictly to not get lynched?

[Privateerkev]

Can't say I didn't see this coming...

Okay, it's simple - I would never post like this if I was guilty. It's not WIFOM because what I've done can only really make me look guilty; it can only increase (significantly) the chance of myself being lynched. I win often when I am mafia, because I don't do this sort of stuff. Even making this argument that no mafioso would post these things does not make this WIFOM - I am still much more likely to get lynched than if I hadn't written those oddball posts (I'd estimate 1/3 to 1/2 chance of me getting lynched this round, but that might be lowballing it. If I hadn't put that last post up I would be nearly completely safe).

CR

PS- What's funny is everyone ignoring pever's quick (11 minute) bandwagon on my obviously without substance vote on Glenn.

I don't know how you post in other games. But, when I made my vote, you had made only 4 short posts since the game started. Two of those were votes for little reason. Or at a least poorly explained reason. Hence, my suspicion.

As for pever, there seems to be some OOC tension between the two of them. I didn't want to make it worse. I hope that we can all ~:grouphug:

It's just a game. :yes:

[Caius]

Tut tut, my suspicion of CR, whilst it hasn't been announced in thread has been persisting for a while, and while I was searching the forum for CR's previous posts, looks like PK beat me to it. Theres no point in posting the same (albeit fairly weak) evidence twice. If you'll turn your attention to the thread, I had an FOS on him before I went of searching. What's this third on a bandwagon thing anyway (I'm new).
The third is guilty.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CR hasn't done anything incriminating in my book.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

The third is guilty.

Thanks for the enlightenment!

On what pretext?

[PershsNhpios]

I want to explain further my vote on OA, so that it is neither ignored or taken as my wish for him to die.

I have no evidence linking him to guilt, however Omanes, when I PMed him asking advice and his opinion on players in the thread, responded in a manner that I found disjointed.

What I am saying is he is either not interested in this game, or he is lurking.

And in every game Omanes lurks within, he is a Mafioso, when he plays a townie he always comes forth with large analysis and opinions.
He is too good a player to do otherwise, and I think more attention should be paid to Omanes and the other lurkers like him.

FOS: Omanes Alexandrapolites

Unvote: Omanes Alexandrapolites Vote: CrazedRabbit

It is doubtful I will change my vote again, especially if things remain as they are and no great events occur.

(Where have all the tallies gone... long time.. ago?

[Csargo]

As for pever, there seems to be some OOC tension between the two of them. I didn't want to make it worse. I hope that we can all ~:grouphug:

It's just a game. :yes:

This has been going on since Glenn started playing mafia. No idea how or why it started, but they've been at each other's throats ever since.

[pevergreen]

As for pever, there seems to be some OOC tension between the two of them. I didn't want to make it worse. I hope that we can all ~:grouphug:
Nothing I'm aware of.

[Privateerkev]

vote tally:

Crazed Rabbit: 4 (00jebus, Glenn, Privateerkev, Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Ichigo: 2 (Sasaki, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)
Glenn: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, pevergreen)

Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (woad&fangs)
00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)

Abstain: BananaBob

Someone please double check this. There have been a lot of vote changes. :dizzy2:

[naut]

Well from my experience, this is how CR often plays.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Really what's the point of the wagon on CR? Seems to have sprung out of nowhere. You guys should switch to Ichigo.

[PershsNhpios]

:daisy: Large mistake.

Correction pending.

[Csargo]

You guys should switch to Ichigo.

Why?

[Privateerkev]

Has anyone noticed the animosity between CrazedRabbit and 00Jebus?

Hold a moment..

CR voted 00Jebus for voting randomly in the first round, by coincedence or not, 00Jebus voted CR in the first round.

00Jebus then voted Ichigo as soon as chance permitted, and was again attacked by CR, who was recently attacked for voting me, partly on the grounds that he thought I was in conjunction with 00Jebus, and as soon as a couple of people voted CR - 00Jebus immediately jumped on the bandwagon.



Are there any vendetta roles....??!

Actually, 00jebus's vote on CR this turn was one of the first votes since the summary post was put up. It quickly got buried and then we voted for CR later partly because of his vote on you.

[seireikhaan]

FoS: Ichigo

I was just a simple townie, with nothing to hide. I have been given no PM by Andres with any kind of information about my death. I think Ichigo should by lynched because I genuinely think he's mafia and hiding something, and I'm gonna keep hounding him until this game is over or else he's proven innocent. His actions starting this game off were severely off character, in my opinion, as he does not generally try to be 'analytical' so early on, and being so 'helpful'. He's been more active than usual, even when you take out his defensive posts. He only voted Sasaki after I pointed out the fault in his posting style, indicating he did it purely to try and get me off his tail. Someone please investigate Ichigo tonight if he's not lynched here. If he's innocent, he'll have nothing to hide.

[seireikhaan]

Why?
Because you ordinarily wouldn't even bother asking why.

[Csargo]

Because you ordinarily wouldn't even bother asking why.

The only reason I ask is because he refuses to answer any of the questions in my posts. I've answered all of his questions and he has totally ignored mine.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The only reason I ask is because he refuses to answer any of the questions in my posts. I've answered all of his questions and he has totally ignored mine.

It's pretty simple Ichigo, I looked over your posts and they struck me as suspicious for the reasons mentioned in my original post. Your explanation didn't change anything. Let me make an example:


Person A votes third on a bandwagon, putting the guy in the lead :smash:
Person B: I think A is suspicious, he's bandwagoning :inquisitive:
Person A: No see, I actually think that person is suspicious. :sweatdrop:
Person B: oh ok. Nevermind then haha! :laugh4:

It doesn't work like that.

[naut]

Alright I'm tempted to vote a lurker, but the lurkers are mostly, known lurkers. My poor analytical skills are as poor as ever.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Has anyone noticed the animosity between CrazedRabbit and 00Jebus?

Hold a moment..

CR voted 00Jebus for voting randomly in the first round, by coincedence or not, 00Jebus voted CR in the first round.

00Jebus then voted Ichigo as soon as chance permitted, and was again attacked by CR, who was recently attacked for voting me, partly on the grounds that he thought I was in conjunction with 00Jebus, and as soon as a couple of people voted CR - 00Jebus immediately jumped on the bandwagon.

WHAT?

Kindly see the summary of my posts before my defense. Your post is false in summary and in the particulars.


Two of those were votes for little reason. Or at a least poorly explained reason.

No, they had no reason. I did not make up any ill-contrived reasons or use slim evidence to try and lynch someone.


So CR, is there an explanation for your posting history then? Or is just strictly to not get lynched?

Oh, I'm just having a little fun with my posts.


I don't buy it... I'm sorry.

But of course, you misunderstand. It's not that I'm not putting enough effort into not being suspicious, it's that I'm putting effort into being suspicious. Remaining not suspicious would require less effort. And you leaped on a bandwagon by copying other's reasons to lynch me.

For now,
unvote: Glenn
vote: Ichigo

Nothing personal.

CR

[PershsNhpios]

Rythmic, do you agree with me on players such as Omanes Alexandrapolites - in that it is dangerous to let them submerge unchecked?

The problem is it becomes so hard to turn the spotlight on them after a while, the longer you wait - the more difficult.

I would like to hear someone speak more about the lurkers. Please continue.

[Csargo]

It's pretty simple Ichigo, I looked over your posts and they struck me as suspicious for the reasons mentioned in my original post. Your explanation didn't change anything. Let me make an example:

haha. I've given an explanation for everything to accused me of. You're so stuck in one mindset it would have been impossible to convince of my innocence.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

But of course, you misunderstand. It's not that I'm not putting enough effort into not being suspicious, it's that I'm putting effort into being suspicious. Remaining not suspicious would require less effort. And you leaped on a bandwagon by copying other's reasons to lynch me.

No I don't understand. I can see that remaining not suspicious would be less effort for you than what you've done, but what is your motive in drawing suspicion? By drawing suspicion on yourself you are drawing it away from actual criminals/mafia. Ergo the only people benefiting from your continued, and strange, behaviour are the mafia. So my vote remains on you until you explain your motives.

And you insinuate that I'm using others reasoning. If I stumble across evidence independently, but post after them then thats going to be said of me. So be it.

[PershsNhpios]

CrazedRabbit, nothing you are saying in your absolutely insane defense is rendering you either any safer from death - or any more innocent in my eyes.

As for you saying I spoke garbage when I accused you of a vengeful role-connection with 00Jebus, it is actually plain evidence, available to every player who reads through both of your posting histories.

You are both very interested in the death of each other, and have been since role PMs were assigned.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You, [Gaius SC] good sir, are the one foisting suspicion on me. I never asked for it. But it generates discussion, and it discussion that reveals the mafia. Plus it's fun as well, I admit.


CrazedRabbit, nothing you are saying in your absolutely insane defense is rendering you either any safer from death - or any more innocent in my eyes.

As for you saying I spoke garbage when I accused you of a vengeful role-connection with 00Jebus, it is actually plain evidence, available to every player who reads through both of your posting histories.

Good grief. Plain evidence? I never voted for 00Jebus!

How can people be suspicious of me when this is what my accusers say? He's saying up is down and nobody cares? I have sold my soul to the devil, and found out he is an idiot.

CR

[PershsNhpios]

CrazedRabbit - I am an idiot - I have made a mistake, and though it is only a small one and does not remove my suspicions from you, I must unvote while I sort out this mess - someone is tied to 00Jebus, and because I foolishly relied on my memory alone I remembered it as you.

Please accept my apology, dear foe, while I correct this sidetrack - but I render no other suspicions against you obsolete, only that suspicion of a vendetta.

For the moment: Unvote: CR Vote: Abstain.
Sorry everyone.

[PershsNhpios]

I have to go now, and so I will be inactive for a while.

I would like to summarise that my posts accusing a link between CR and 00Jebus are simply unfounded, I have deleted them - and they should be ignored.

However, all accusations shown that CR is erratic, unbelievable and scummy are endorsed and believed by me - and therefore I apologise to the players for making a groundless accusation - but replace my vote on CR because nothing else has changed.

Good luck town! Back soon.

Unvote ------ Vote: CrazedRabbit

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

You, good sir, are the one foisting suspicion on me. I never asked for it. But it generates discussion, and it discussion that reveals the mafia. Plus it's fun as well, I admit.


How can people be suspicious of me when this is what my accusers say? He's saying up is down and nobody cares? I have sold my soul to the devil, and found out he is an idiot.

CR

Well, I'll agree that I have applied a fair amount of argument against you, I'll contend that the suspicion you have thus far accrued has been down to your own actions and arguments. While I get the fact that you may consider it 'fun' to be under suspicion, the fact remains, as I've said, that even if you are innocent then only the mafia benefit. And you are yet to provide compelling evidence to support your case.

And applause for the refutal of Glenn (Bolded), it was very well done. :whip:

[Makanyane]

aargh not making any sense out of the conversation about others so far...

vote: The Stranger
after near miss in first round voting he said he was probably dropping out - but apparently didn't actually suicide - although Hiji did so its clearly allowed by host.

Could just be a clever ploy to continue as lurking mafioso....

and if I'm wrong at least I'm not killing actively useful townie.

[PershsNhpios]

Gaius is very right CrazedRabbit, I am quite unsure of how to deal with you - which makes your death the only truly safe option.

I'm asking you, if you're innocent, and can help the town - to try and show some logic in your defense.

Have you been in contact with anyone? Quote some PMs, think, because I don't want this day's vote to be wasted.

Now the only thing you appear to be in my eyes is a meatshield for the Mafia - but I don't believe any townie would do that - they would have to have an incentive - which means you would be tied to the criminals.

Yes, WIFOM - I know - but your responses are admittedly weird and confusing CrazedRabbit, and purposefully so I believe.

So I ask again, make a defense that is worthy and I will argue in favour of you myself if it will mean a Mafioso getting lynched.

[Tratorix]

Very interesting how people are demanding Crazed Rabbit somehow prove his innocence. Honestly, the only thing i've seen levelled against him is that his posts seem a bit off from his usual style. A bit suspicious, maybe, but it isn't exactly the damning evidence some people seem to be claiming.

[seireikhaan]

haha. I've given an explanation for everything to accused me of. You're so stuck in one mindset it would have been impossible to convince of my innocence.
Explanation? I see nothing of substance. Here's your posts since my death:


Vote:00jebus

His reason for voting me last round seemed like something he just pulled out his hat to vote someone.
Well of course he just pulled it out, its the first round.:inquisitive: How many first round votes have any actual substance to them? This was (to me)clearly an attempt to try and appear analytical with a vote, without any actual kind of analysis. Pure phony.


I've been active the entire game. I did vote Sasaki, just because I didn't do it how you expected isn't my fault. I don't know how that's bad, could you explain it to me?
Its exactly because you've been 'trying' to be 'active' that I'm suspicious of you. You only lodged your vote for Sasaki after I'd called you on the inconsistency in your game playing style, which disqualifies it for any kind of real consideration for innocence.



In response to this,
I don't like Ichigo's vote here. His post count seems up from pre school mafia and his posts also seem cautious. I don't like his going after glenn in post 288. Glenn's posts are easy to pick on and a tempting target for mafia.you wrote this:
Why not? I was a detective in preschool mafia, so I tried to stay under the radar, and as far as my posts being cautious I have nothing to say to that because I'm not being cautious, maybe some examples Sasaki? I didn't pick on Glenn, never did I accuse him of anything or vote for him. It wouldn't make sense for me to go after Glenn and then not use that against him.
Point is here, is that you're more active in this game than you EVER are in any game you've been innocent, this early on. You're trying to act as though you're very helpful, but you've not posted anything of real substance, only half effort posts that don't really help figure out who the mafia is. Your vote against 00jebus is a perfect example of this.



In response to this,
I don't like that Ichigo is saying he thinks Prole and TinCow are innocent based on analysis of their posts. The number of posts is small so far and neither of them has done anything that strikes me as innocent. He also makes no mention of thinking they are innocent in his initial post where he merely went after glenn's reasoning. If he defends those he thinks are innocent why didn't he defend prole from her other voters? His post strikes me as an overly defensive reaction to PK (who only said it was ironic not suspicious).

Vote:Ichigoyou posted this:
It's a gut feeling based on how I perceive their posts. The feel I get from their posts doesn't make me suspicious of them, but that doesn't mean I'm completely convinced they're clean. Why would I? The only reason Prole and TC were brought up was because PK hinted at them working together, so why would I waste space saying the same thing twice. Easy, I probably wasn't around then. He says one thing and means another, it's not a far jump from being ironic to him becoming suspicious of that fact.
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I posted it for the sake of thoroughness.



In response to this,
Vote:Ichigo


Been acted very defensive lately, and been defending people I believed may be wise to watch out for.you posted this:
Where have I been defensive? Why don't you point out a couple of posts? That may be your opinion, but I'm an entirely different person with different thoughts.:wink:
Might I point out that you're actually sorta proving his point. You've generally defended yourself against nearly every person who's voted for you, which is a bit different from your normal style, which is more aloof than this. You seem to be taking each vote against you much more seriously than you normally do, by attempting to address each one.



In response to this,
Wait.. I have reread the last few pages.
I should have more faith in the strategic ability of the Mafia - killing GH would have been to obvious a move - especially if CR was a criminal.
For now I change my vote in favour of the greatest and most sensible evidence.

Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Ichigoyou posted this:
What evidence? You've failed to point anything out. You're just bandwagoning claiming to be supporting "evidence". I think you and 00jebus are mafia.
Once again, going back to the last point I made, you're going out of your way to attack each vote that's been lodged against you, knowing that the average person either doesn't have the time to look up every example of evidence, or simply doesn't care quite that much about mafia to spend that much time if they did have it. I repeat: your regular playing style has been much more aloof than this, and you're really trying to make sure that every vote against you really have 'good reason'. Your vote against 00jebus for him not providing 'evidence' was total crap, to be honest, and you're apparent desperation for 'evidence' is contradictory to your usual playing style, which has accepted that most often, votes in the first round don't have any real reason for them, highlighted by the fact that you always open every round with a vote: Sasaki.



In response to this,
Based on the evidence that you have been acting strangely, even to me - and that so many - not just two - but a number of experienced players have noticed the oddity of your behaviour.

I will prove I am not bandwagoning by two things;

First, to speak in your defense, I say to Sasaki that I don't recall Ichigo attacking my posts, but he was instead attacking PrivateerKev. In any case - it should be known that he wasn't as aggressive to me as was shown.

Secondly, I have the promise that the vote will be changed as soon as I have reason to believe I had something worthy of investigation in CrazedRabbit and KukriKhan.you posted this:
Could you quote some posts and explain why they're strange and oddity in my previous behavior?

This is strange. Seems like just an attempt to make you seem innocent. No one would defend someone they thought was guilty and worth voting for. It doesn't make sense.

I wasn't attacking PK, I was pointing out the fact that prole and TC working together so obviously, would be highly unlikely.
Once again, you seem determined to have 'evidence' against you for any kind of pressure to be legit. I've now pointed out several examples of how your behavior in this game is off.



In response to this,
(To Ichigo)

If you mention that it seems to make me appear innocent, then there must be some proof of my innocence therein - because I attempted only to use moderation in how I view the different players.you posted this:
No, it means I think you're trying to fabricate an air of innocence to make yourself seem innocent.
Of course, in all this, you never actually state how exactly he was trying to 'fabricate an air innocence', only stating that he is. This directly defies your own apparent quest for 'evidence'. Hypocrisy.



In response to this,
Your post count has been down in general in recent games (capo etc). Your posts this game have an air of someone trying avoid a negative reaction. It is easy for mafia to make a pro-town appearance by pointing out mistakes in one of glenn's posts. Everyone makes mistakes, pointing them out is easy. Actual analysis is much harder to fake.you post this:
Yet again I ask you what posts you're referring too.

I did not point out mistakes in Glenn's posts, I asked him questions.

As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer.
Once more, you demand for evidence against you, making it clear your very 'defensive' posture in this game. Much more defensive than you ordinarily are, and thus, I believe you have something to hide. Of course, you kindly ignore the fact that he pointed out that your post count has been down over the course of many recent games, not just preschool mafia. And lastly, you remain incredibly non-committal about PK's theory, even though there's very big and blatant holes in it, something I know you're smart enough to spot. You'd like to keep that theory open, just to cast suspicion on me, one of the main people's who've been coming after you. But in this method, you can cleanly avoid suspicion for this, something you are indeed skilled enough to try to pull off.



In response to this,
Ichigo, what is the difference between someone with an air of innocence and someone with a fabricated air of innocence.

When the latter has innocence fabricated by his nature, and the one has his nature fabricated by innocence?you post this: [/QUOTE]Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive[/QUOTE]
Here, you have a golden opportunity to show how you thought Glenn was 'fabricating an air of innocence', but instead, decide to define 'fabricate' for him. Once again, you show you're own hypocrisy by refusing to show evidence or reasoning for your suspicion.



In response to this,
As for pever, there seems to be some OOC tension between the two of them. I didn't want to make it worse. I hope that we can all ~:grouphug:

It's just a game.:yes:you post this:
This has been going on since Glenn started playing mafia. No idea how or why it started, but they've been at each other's throats ever since.
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I included it for the sake of thoroughness.



In response to this,
You guys should switch to Ichigo.you post this:
Why?
Once again, we see the them of you requesting some kind of hard evidence, despite when you ignore half the evidence presented against you, or else circumvent evidence with a strawman, as evidenced by your earlier remark about your Pre-School mafia post count being down, when in actuality, your post count has been down as of late with many games, not just Pre-School. In response to your "Why?", I posted this:
Because you ordinarily wouldn't even bother asking why.My point here was that you ordinarily don't address each and every vote and suspicion lodged your way, and in that way, you're acting overly defensive in this game. Your response was:
The only reason I ask is because he refuses to answer any of the questions in my posts. I've answered all of his questions and he has totally ignored mine. By this point, this is a red herring argument. Much has been presented against you, and your responses have been irrelevant, incomplete, misleading, or hypocritical.



In response to this,
t's pretty simple Ichigo, I looked over your posts and they struck me as suspicious for the reasons mentioned in my original post. Your explanation didn't change anything. Let me make an example:you posted this:
haha. I've given an explanation for everything to accused me of. You're so stuck in one mindset it would have been impossible to convince of my innocence.
Once again, you throw out an incomplete, misleading red herring. You claim no evidence has been brought against you; this is wrong. But what strikes me most suspicious is that you wouldn't even quote Sasaki's whole post. Conveniently, you decided to ignore the part where Sasaki explained some of his logic. Why? Well, now that might be detrimental to your whole argument that no actual evidence or logic has been brought against you, now wouldn't it?


ALL IN ALL, ICHIGO'S GUILTY, GUILTY AS HECK. I've explained in as great a detail as possible why he's been incredibly scummy, inconsistent, and misleading this entire game. Townie's, please lynch Ichigo now.

[PershsNhpios]

One must admit Ichigo, this is perhaps the most substantial evidence presented so far - especially coming from a dead man.

I am tempted to follow through with this - but there are three things I want to see;

A solid, straight defense from Ichigo.

A comment from Sasaki as to why Ichigo is suspicious, incomplete, and moreso in these two things than CrazedRabbit.

And I want to know why Makaikhaan has it in for Ichigo.

Where did this all start Makai? Right after Night 1 - you can help me by explaining if there is a reason for this - how would you possibly know if it was Ichigo who killed you?

And for the record: I don't buy the fact Makai was a townie.

But I congratulate you on a fine presentation Khann, I have thoroughly read it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

However, all accusations shown that CR is erratic, unbelievable and scummy are endorsed and believed by me -

They show nothing of the sort. I have posted off-kilter posts, yes. But nothing unbelievable and nothing scummy. My post in defense of myself was thoroughly logical, whether or not you think so.
I find it amusing you, who gathered so much suspicion in Capo II for your posts, should be so convinced that I am somehow related to the criminal element solely because you do not find my posts to be 'orthodox'.

Indeed, it seems you don't really get what I'm saying.

How, in detail, am I suspicious? All any of my accusers can say that my posts are odd. Not scummy, but odd.

CR

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Sorry Glenn if the PM were a little "disjointed" as you put it. For the public record I'll post the PM:
I think you may be right about Zorg - I didn't really like the way he barged in and instantaneously went on the attack against you. He did have a point, I suppose, but I'm weary of him regardless.

As for Prole, well, she placed the third vote on Privateerkev which accelerated him to the top of the voting tables. This indicates that she may have been trying to save somebody. This could be either herself (through forming a tie), Tratorix, shlin28, Sarathos, GeneralHankerchief or Sasaki Kojiro.

For now I sort of trust Sasaki, considering the confirmed prostitute claim.

~:)As for now, Ichigo seems to be quite scummy - when reading the thread, his reactions seemed a little violent. Several mafia players, including myself, used to/still do go into a bit of a rage when accusations are thrown at them if they are a mafioso. Combine this with makikhaan's analysis of all his postings, I consider this a fairly solid level of evidence.

I still dislike Proletariat for the same reasons shown in the PM. Zorg I'm less suspicious of after having time to think about him, but he's still not considered completely off the list of players I am weary of yet.

The Stranger is another player whose behaviour I dislike. He seems to be acting naive, as demonstrated in his first post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1914644#post1914644) in the thread, and, most of the time, rather than being constructive, he simply gives of an array of random almost off-topic comments as demonstrated here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1915038#post1915038) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1914983#post1914983). He also seems to enjoy pointing unreasoned blame at others, as demonstrated in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1914644#post1914644).

I suppose this could be attributed to it being his normal playing style, but I'm sure I don't remember him being quite like this the last time I played with him. This was a considerable time ago though.

From my perceptive, it's between Ichigo and The Stranger. The choice, to me, is quite obvious:

Vote: The Stranger

I understand that Ichigo is probably a better vote, but we mustn't allow new evidence to hide the old - remember what happened in Capo with scottishranger.

[PershsNhpios]

You understand of course, Omanes - why I called your reply disjointed and shed attention on you.

It was to bring you into the discussion, and I am glad you have arrived!

I feel that The Stranger, because of his well-known style, is not acting any differently to how he normally would - and for this reason anyone who finds that particularly suspicious is apt to be thought of as a criminal using his documented-but-strange behaviour as a scapegoat to their own guilt.

Considering there are far better options available for accusation.

Omanes, do you find anything worthy of a lynch in CrazedRabbit?

[Csargo]

Well of course he just pulled it out, its the first round.:inquisitive: How many first round votes have any actual substance to them? This was (to me)clearly an attempt to try and appear analytical with a vote, without any actual kind of analysis. Pure phony.

I didn't go after him for his first vote as you can see since you've quoted every post I've made in this thread. I went after because of his vote on me, which like I've stated before makes absolutely no sense imho.

I give you his posts:


this is based on no in game evidence, I just think he may want more time to iron out the rules to KotR's sucessor...

Vote:TinCow

also, he's on sigurds list, which I have to trust for now....



Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning.

I may be new but that sounds very defensive;

Unvote, Vote Ichigo


Vote: Crazed Rabbit

As I have to trust 2 assesments on GH's value, he is an experienced player who voted for him (first I think) last round.

You had to have noticed the complete lack of any opinions in his posts. He's been bandwagoning and I'm the only one that notices? Not to mention the fact that he's made only four posts, two of which lack anything that is helpful, and one that I don't even understand how he came to that conclusion.


Its exactly because you've been 'trying' to be 'active' that I'm suspicious of you. You only lodged your vote for Sasaki after I'd called you on the inconsistency in your game playing style, which disqualifies it for any kind of real consideration for innocence.

There was no reason for Sasaki to post that he was with the prostitute the first night. So, then why did he do it? I figure he did it because he figured that everyone would assume: "he's being open and honest, there was no reason for him to reveal that information, so he must be being truthful and have nothing to hide" It's possible that I was over thinking things at the time, but one thing I've learned is never to trust Sasaki. He's a manipulator and he'll do whatever is necessary to win.


In response to this, you wrote this:
Point is here, is that you're more active in this game than you EVER are in any game you've been innocent, this early on. You're trying to act as though you're very helpful, but you've not posted anything of real substance, only half effort posts that don't really help figure out who the mafia is. Your vote against 00jebus is a perfect example of this.

Go back and look through the games I've played. You'll find I'm overly active throughout all of them. I'm just pointing out what I find interesting.


In response to this, you posted this:
Might I point out that you're actually sorta proving his point. You've generally defended yourself against nearly every person who's voted for you, which is a bit different from your normal style, which is more aloof than this. You seem to be taking each vote against you much more seriously than you normally do, by attempting to address each one.

Yet again I point to past games. I like to defend myself and post. The only reason that would decrease is if I'm busy, which I have been for the last couple of months. The last two weeks or so I've been off of work more than I have worked and that means more time on the computer and an increase in the amount of posts. I know what you're gonna say "two weeks ago Pre School mafia was still running, but you still hadn't posted much" Whenever I have a role I tend to lurk. You can go back and look at games from two or so months ago if you don't remember how I played before.


In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, going back to the last point I made, you're going out of your way to attack each vote that's been lodged against you, knowing that the average person either doesn't have the time to look up every example of evidence, or simply doesn't care quite that much about mafia to spend that much time if they did have it. I repeat: your regular playing style has been much more aloof than this, and you're really trying to make sure that every vote against you really have 'good reason'. Your vote against 00jebus for him not providing 'evidence' was total crap, to be honest, and you're apparent desperation for 'evidence' is contradictory to your usual playing style, which has accepted that most often, votes in the first round don't have any real reason for them, highlighted by the fact that you always open every round with a vote: Sasaki.

The only reason I ask is to try to explain what I was thinking when I made said post, but it is hypocritical that I wouldn't explain my own accusations. I tend to assume they're blatantly obvious and not worthy of in depth explanations.


In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, you seem determined to have 'evidence' against you for any kind of pressure to be legit. I've now pointed out several examples of how your behavior in this game is off.

He said "based on the evidence". If you're going to accuse someone of something then you should be able to back it up if they ask about it. Anyone can say:"Based on the evidence, you are a turtle" but are you a turtle? I'm pretty sure that's not true.


In response to this, you posted this:
Of course, in all this, you never actually state how exactly he was trying to 'fabricate an air innocence', only stating that he is. This directly defies your own apparent quest for 'evidence'. Hypocrisy.

I thought it was clear from this line in my post:


This is strange. Seems like just an attempt to make you seem innocent. No one would defend someone they thought was guilty and worth voting for. It doesn't make sense.

If you accuse and vote someone. You don't try to defend that person you just voted for. It's not logical.


In response to this, you post this:
Once more, you demand for evidence against you, making it clear your very 'defensive' posture in this game. Much more defensive than you ordinarily are, and thus, I believe you have something to hide. Of course, you kindly ignore the fact that he pointed out that your post count has been down over the course of many recent games, not just preschool mafia. And lastly, you remain incredibly non-committal about PK's theory, even though there's very big and blatant holes in it, something I know you're smart enough to spot. You'd like to keep that theory open, just to cast suspicion on me, one of the main people's who've been coming after you. But in this method, you can cleanly avoid suspicion for this, something you are indeed skilled enough to try to pull off.

I have explained this somewhere above. If you want me to point something out fine.


Now, makaikhaan's death seemed strange to me. The reference to family makes me wonder if makaikhaan was a Carelli mobster and was killed by Taketsi. Now, this would mean that Taketsi would have had to have gotten very lucky in his investigation on night one but it is possible.

Therefore, I wonder if Ichigo is Taketsi and makaikhaan is trying to get revenge by getting us to lynch him.

How would he know if I was the Taketsi gangster? I didn't see where the Carelli could investigate someone unless I missed it. Which makes the theory impossible. Not to mention the fact that I had a 2/38 chance of picking the right person. And the likelihood of that person voting for me the round before is probably a bit lower.


In response to this, you post this: Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive[/QUOTE]
Here, you have a golden opportunity to show how you thought Glenn was 'fabricating an air of innocence', but instead, decide to define 'fabricate' for him. Once again, you show you're own hypocrisy by refusing to show evidence or reasoning for your suspicion.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was obvious from the post where I initially said I thought he was trying to fabricate an air of innocence. I'm not going to play silly games because he doesn't like what I'm saying, which is what I think he was trying to do.


In response to this, you post this:
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I included it for the sake of thoroughness.

I was telling him about pever and Glenn.


In response to this, you post this:
Once again, we see the them of you requesting some kind of hard evidence, despite when you ignore half the evidence presented against you, or else circumvent evidence with a strawman, as evidenced by your earlier remark about your Pre-School mafia post count being down, when in actuality, your post count has been down as of late with many games, not just Pre-School. In response to your "Why?", I posted this: My point here was that you ordinarily don't address each and every vote and suspicion lodged your way, and in that way, you're acting overly defensive in this game. Your response was: By this point, this is a red herring argument. Much has been presented against you, and your responses have been irrelevant, incomplete, misleading, or hypocritical.

If you can point out what I didn't address I'll be happy to do so. I've already explained why my post count has been down.


In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, you throw out an incomplete, misleading red herring. You claim no evidence has been brought against you; this is wrong. But what strikes me most suspicious is that you wouldn't even quote Sasaki's whole post. Conveniently, you decided to ignore the part where Sasaki explained some of his logic. Why? Well, now that might be detrimental to your whole argument that no actual evidence or logic has been brought against you, now wouldn't it?

I said I explained it or at least tried to. Why would I need too? It's not like a little diagram is damning evidence. It just tells the tale of person A and B. Whoever they are, could be anybody.


Person A votes third on a bandwagon, putting the guy in the lead
Person B: I think A is suspicious, he's bandwagoning
Person A: No see, I actually think that person is suspicious.
Person B: oh ok. Nevermind then haha!

Look, it's the damning evidence OH NOEZ. :end:


ALL IN ALL, ICHIGO'S GUILTY, GUILTY AS HECK. I've explained in as great a detail as possible why he's been incredibly scummy, inconsistent, and misleading this entire game. Townie's, please lynch Ichigo now.

Forgive me for any mistakes, I'm a little tired.

[Beefy187]

Vote: Abstain

Just to avoid WoG. Been very busy in the past few weeks and atm I dont have time to read through all the posts. Sorry for inactivity and will be more active from wednesday onwards hopefully

[pevergreen]

Vote: Ichigo

I've played with you a lot, and you are never like this when you are townie. You are either mafia, or something has happened IRL.

[Sarathos]

or something has happened IRL
And what if it did, are you just going to lynch him...:no:

[TinCow]

Yikes, those were some massive posts. I'm not convinced that Ichigo is mafia, but several people who know him well are saying that he is not posting in a normal manner. That's definitely more credible evidence than there is against anyone else, especially CR. For lack of a better candidate...

Vote: Ichigo

This is probably yet another townie lynch, but at least it will remove a controversial figure and help us focus better in future rounds.

[TinCow]

There was no reason for Sasaki to post that he was with the prostitute the first night. So, then why did he do it? I figure he did it because he figured that everyone would assume: "he's being open and honest, there was no reason for him to reveal that information, so he must be being truthful and have nothing to hide" It's possible that I was over thinking things at the time, but one thing I've learned is never to trust Sasaki. He's a manipulator and he'll do whatever is necessary to win.

For the record, I think this is accurate. I very much encourage the detectives to investigate Sasaki in future nights. Sasaki is almost certainly telling the truth about being blocked, simply because it would be certain death to lie about it. If he had fabricated that PM, then there would be two people who would be able to finger him, the prostitute and the person she blocked the first night. It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM, so it is almost certainly real.

At the same time, it is too easy to let Sasaki off based on his admission. The fact stands that he was blocked on a night when there were fewer hits than we expected. That poses a significant risk that he was mafia and was blocked. Detective(s), please investigate Sasaki in future nights. Alternatively, the prostitute may want to revisit him and see if that reduces the number of kills a second time.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Omanes, do you find anything worthy of a lynch in CrazedRabbit?I rushed off earlier and didn't quite have time to mention him, sorry about that. I started making that post at about 8:00 and, due to that, I've only just noticed his post immediately prior to mine.

Rather than his initial actions, I find his defence to be scummy more than anything. It's got that mafia style violent sort of tone to it, responding to questions with questions and the such like. He probably would be a good choice for the lynch.

I see your point about The Stranger, I've looked at an older thread and it appears I was wrong about him. I'm still not certain, however, but am willing to drop my vote for now.

Unvote: The Stranger ; Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[naut]

Christ, we need a tally. Will vote after I've found one/made one.

[TinCow]

Tally:
Ichigo: 4 (Sasaki, warman, CR, TinCow)
Crazed Rabbit: 3 (00jebus, Glenn, Omanes)
00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)
Glenn: 1 (pever)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (w&f)
The Stranger: 1 (Makanyane)

Abstain: 4 (BananaBob, Curio, PK, Beefy187)

PK and Curio's votes for CR are invalid, because they did not unvote.
pever's vote for Ichigo is invalid, because he did not unvote.

Glenn wins the award for most vote changes I've ever seen in a single round.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Glenn, Vote: TinCow
For pointing that out.

Unvote: Tincow, Vote: Ichigo
Already given reasons.

[Privateerkev]

First off, I am not convinced by CR's if-I-was-really-mafia-I-would-play-better defense. Second he tries to head off WIFOM's ahead of time instead of letting others bring them up. And third, he is being contradictory.


It's not that I'm not putting enough effort into not being suspicious, it's that I'm putting effort into being suspicious. Remaining not suspicious would require less effort. And you leaped on a bandwagon by copying other's reasons to lynch me.

Why on earth would you be trying to be suspicious if you were a townie?


You, [Gaius SC] good sir, are the one foisting suspicion on me. I never asked for it. But it generates discussion, and it discussion that reveals the mafia. Plus it's fun as well, I admit.

Yes you did. You just said you were "putting effort into being suspicious."


They show nothing of the sort. I have posted off-kilter posts, yes. But nothing unbelievable and nothing scummy. My post in defense of myself was thoroughly logical, whether or not you think so.
I find it amusing you, who gathered so much suspicion in Capo II for your posts, should be so convinced that I am somehow related to the criminal element solely because you do not find my posts to be 'orthodox'.

Indeed, it seems you don't really get what I'm saying.

How, in detail, am I suspicious? All any of my accusers can say that my posts are odd. Not scummy, but odd.

CR

You are suspisious because you said it would be fun to be suspisious. If your not mafia, your cetainly not being a helpful townie.


Tally:
Ichigo: 4 (Sasaki, warman, CR, TinCow)
Crazed Rabbit: 3 (00jebus, Glenn, Omanes)
00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)
Glenn: 1 (pever)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (w&f)
The Stranger: 1 (Makanyane)

Abstain: 4 (BananaBob, Curio, PK, Beefy187)

PK and Curio's votes for CR are invalid, because they did not unvote.
pever's vote for Ichigo is invalid, because he did not unvote.

Glenn wins the award for most vote changes I've ever seen in a single round.

Sorry, I didn't know I had to unvote abstains. :bow:

unvote abstain; vote Crazed Rabbit

As for The Stranger, I am giving him a turn to see if he is going to suicide or rejoin the game. If he rejoins, my suspicion of him will remain in full force. I've only given him a pass this turn because I thought he might be quitting due to real-life busyness.

[KukriKhan]

For the record, I think this is accurate. I very much encourage the detectives to investigate Sasaki in future nights. Sasaki is almost certainly telling the truth about being blocked, simply because it would be certain death to lie about it. If he had fabricated that PM, then there would be two people who would be able to finger him, the prostitute and the person she blocked the first night. It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM, so it is almost certainly real.

At the same time, it is too easy to let Sasaki off based on his admission. The fact stands that he was blocked on a night when there were fewer hits than we expected. That poses a significant risk that he was mafia and was blocked. Detective(s), please investigate Sasaki in future nights. Alternatively, the prostitute may want to revisit him and see if that reduces the number of kills a second time.

(My bolding and underlining)

Very good point, there. Looking at the spelling, punctuation and grammar of Sasaki's 'blocking' PM, and comparing it to his usual writing style, then cross-referencing Glenn's 'blocking' PM, and comparing it to his (Glenn's) usual writing style, I'd declare them both authentic, to a 90% surety - they're both most likely written by the same person (Andres), and NOT the revealers (Sasaki and Glenn).

Given the logic that "...It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM...", with which I agree, Mssrs. Kojiro, S and Glenn are off my list of suspects.

Following Makanyane's lead and strategy, which seem sound, I:

vote: The Stranger

[PershsNhpios]

Why do you completely ignore CrazedRabbit and Ichigo, and follow the weakest possibility?

[Husar]

Hah, Ichigo is being quite, well, IIRC his defense is a bit more aggressive when he is guilty, he tries to ridicule his accusers. I could remember this wrongly but he does seem like a good lynch for round two, so:

Vote: Ichigo

I'm also still suspicious of Proletariat who is also rather quiet this round so far.

[TinCow]

Given the logic that "...It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM...", with which I agree, Mssrs. Kojiro, S and Glenn are off my list of suspects.

I don't like you clearing both Sasaki and Glenn with this. Even if we assume that both PMs are real, which I agree with, there is still a major difference between Sasaki and Glenn. Glenn was not blocked on the first night, when only one kill occurred, and he was blocked on the second night when two kills occurred. This makes it very unlikely that he is a killer. In contrast, Sasaki was blocked on the first night when there was only one kill and not blocked on night two when there were two kills. That should significantly increase our caution over him.

As far as I am aware, the ONLY evidence that Sasaki is innocent is the wording of the PM, which indicates that he wasn't doing anything. However, the wording of that PM came exclusively from Sasaki. It would be very, very easy for him to post a real PM with 95% of the real wording from Andres, only changing a small portion of it to make him look more innocent than he really is.

Sasaki is very, very far from cleared in my book. He needs to be a top target for the detectives and prostitute in the coming nights. Ignoring him would be a fatal error under the circumstances. I think even Sasaki would agree with this given the situation.

[Mithrandir]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'll vote for Sarathos.

Merely because of a hunch I had when I saw the list of players.

If I've got more time and catch up to the thread, I may change my vote (unless someone voted for me, then it'll be an automatic self-defense vote).

[naut]

Makanyane, seems to play the same way whether she's Mafioso or innocent. She went undetected that way in Netherworld, so for now I'm going to vote her, (mostly so I don't forget this reasoning later on).

Vote: Makanyane.

[Haudegen]

vote: Ichigo

Looks like there is a pretty solid case against him.

[Privateerkev]

while others, like Sasaki, are making reasoned arguments against Ichigo, others seem to just be bandwagoning. Haudegen doesn't post at all this whole game and then he comes out of the shadows to cast a quick bandwagon vote.

I still think Ichigo is not mafia. But I see why some are voting against him. But I am concerned that others seem to be using Ichigo to throw the trail off of them.

I see the same happening to The Stranger. Now I had planned on voting for him this round. But he said he is having real life issues and might leave. I am therefore content to give him a one day "pass" and see if he suicides, or can come back full-time.

But others are using the oppurtunity to vote for him when he might leave anyways. Are they doing it because TS seems like an "easy target" right now?

As for Khaan, I am still not convinced he is a townie. Therefore his massive assault on Ichigo makes me question his motive.

And I agree that Prole's total absence lately is supsicious.

That is all I have for now.

tally:

Ichigo: 7 (Sasaki, warman, CR, TinCow, pevergreen, Husar, Haudegen)

Crazed Rabbit: 4 (00jebus, Glenn, Omanes, privateerkev)

The Stranger: 2 (Makanyane, KukriKhan)

00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (w&f)
Makanyane: 1 (Rythmic)

Abstain: 3 (BananaBob, Curio, Beefy187)

[Csargo]

Might as well not waste anymore of you guys time. I'll be lynched by tomorrow if I don't reveal.


Juliette.

You are a secret agent.

Your fiancee got unfortunately killed.

You have the ability to investigate one player each night.

If you discover the hitman, you have two options: 1) kill him the next night. You have a 50 % chance to succeed. If you fail, you'll die. You can only try to kill him the first night after you discovered him; 2) trie to get him lynched.

Your night orders have to reach me before the night phase ends.

There's also a delicate problem. Your psychopatic brother is in town. He followed you. He won't harm you, because he is obsessively in love with you. However, people who vote you during the day, risk getting killed by your maniac brother.

If you happen to discover him, you are not allowed to kill him. Since he is your brother, you have to see that he survives the game.

Your brother knows your identity, but he is not allowed to contact you.

Any questions, feel free to pm me.

Good luck!

Andres.

After I got my role I decided to investigate *********

My results:


You entered ********* room.

You found lipstick, dildo's, condoms, chains, leather and latex suits.

********* is innocent.

Andres

The dots are so as not to reveal the prostitutes identity.

My next investigation was 00jebus


While you were picking the lock of 00jebus' room, you heard the sound of footsteps.

You quickly hide in the shadows and you see 00jebus calmly looking around him.

You notice that he has a blooded fibre wire in his hands. He puts the murder weapon in his pocket, grabs his key and quickly enters his room.

00jebus is guilty.

Andres

That's it.

I think khaan was the hitman that's the only reason I'm doing this.

[TinCow]

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: 00jebus

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right, well that solves that.

[Andres]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'll vote for Sarathos.



Reminder : votes have to be bolded to be counted as valid, like this :

Vote : Sarathos

I'll count this vote as valid, but from now on, unbolded votes will be ignored and not counted by me.


PK and Curio's votes for CR are invalid, because they did not unvote.

I'll consider those votes as valid, but please, for future reference: if you switch your vote, unvote first.

And allthough unvoting is not required when your previous vote was an "abstain", I still appreciate it, since it makes my life easier.

[00jebus]

Thats a fake Im afraid gentlemen, night one write up said the well dressed killer was experienced, if that was the case why didn't he whipe the fibre wire on something?
why is he even holding it? instead of say pocketing it?
and since its a wire, how could he see it anyway?

I know Andres wouldn't bother with such detailed discriptions elsewhere, and leave such obvious continuity errors.

Unvote
OMGUS Vote Ichigo

[Haudegen]

Hmm, you were quite lucky, Ichigo. Two nights, two investigations and you found two special roles ...

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: Curio; vote: 00jebus
I don't really understand your logic but Ichigo's reveal makes sense.

[TinCow]

Yes, he was lucky, but that role PM is almost certainly real. First of all, it is in the same style as all other PMs Andres has sent out. Second, it includes this tidbit:


There's also a delicate problem. Your psychopatic brother is in town. He followed you. He won't harm you, because he is obsessively in love with you. However, people who vote you during the day, risk getting killed by your maniac brother.

This is referring to another role that has not previously been discussed in detail, almost certainly the man in black. I do not think that Ichigo would have inserted information like that in the role PM if he had made the whole thing up. Since I believe the role PM to be real, his accusation of 00jebus must also be believed until evidence shows that Ichigo faked the role PM. As for luck, I got far, far luckier by randomly killing the real vigilante in Netherworld on Night 1. Two successful investigations on the first two nights is unlikely, but not sufficient grounds by itself to overturn a role PM that seems real.

[00jebus]

unless of course he's the psychopath, then he'd have all the info he needs to forge a role pm

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well :daisy:, that's the problem with judging people on a comparison to their past behavior.

Unvote,Vote:00Jebus


However, people who vote you during the day, risk getting killed by your maniac brother.

Doh!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

This is a odd thing, and I'm was debating this, but the thing that makesm ost sense is to do this

UnVote;Icihgo, Vote:00jebus

[Privateerkev]

In light of Ichigo's reveal, I now have a new theory on Khaan's death.

I think Khaan was killed by Julliette's brother. That was what "family" meant. Khaan did vote for Ichigo in the first turn. (as strawberry) So, Khaan may not be mafia afterall. Sorry Khaan but we didn't know about Julliette's psycho brother stalking people who vote against her.

I believed that Ichigo was not mafia. As for Khaan being the hitman, we'll find out if Julliette survives the night. Now that "she" has revealed, I expect the hitman to take her out as soon as possible so she can't investigate anymore.

In light of all of this, I am inclined to believe Ichigo's claim against 00jebus.

unvote: Crazed Rabbit; vote: 00jebus

[TinCow]

unless of course he's the psychopath, then he'd have all the info he needs to forge a role pm

Unfortunately for you, the past events corroborate his claim. makaikhaan voted for Ichigo during the first round. makaikhaan when then killed by a "crazy" man who asked "Why do you hate my family?" This fits with the powers and background given for the Man in Black.

Plus there's also the inconvenient fact that the Man in Black, as described here, isn't mafia. He's a serial killer who isn't a threat to the town unless we vote for Juliette. If Ichigo is the Man in Black, he's not a danger to the town.

[Ferret]

dang, I would have joined this game if I knew PK was going to be in it :beam:

[Privateerkev]

dang, I would have joined this game if I knew PK was going to be in it :beam:

I'll just have to join your starwars mafia once it gets going. :yes:

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote: Ichigo
vote: 00Jebus

Like I said, nothing personal Ichigo (looks quickly around).

That would mean we still only had one mafia kill, as khann was killed by Juliette's brother. So Glenn could well be some sort of killer, using his percieved innocence to establish the town's trust in him.

CR

[Tratorix]

Vote: 00Jebus

Ichigo's role pm looks real enough.


aww, Im basically dead now.... remember... a vote for me is a vote for throwing cute little kitten in woodchippers....

I hate kittens. :grin:

[00jebus]

aww, Im basically dead now.... remember... a vote for me is a vote for throwing cute little kittens in woodchippers....

[Andres]

I have to leave now.

Just posting this to tell you that this round ends within 45 minutes from this post on. Any votes made after this deadline will not be valid.

:bow:

[Caius]

Vote:00jebus

[Husar]

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: 00jebus

Ichigo's reveal seems genuine.

[Yaropolk]

I have a very busy week ahead of me, will not be able to post for a few days, i have to take myself out of the game

[Sigurd]

vote:00Jebus

[Sigurd]

Damn.. the org was hanging when I was about to make my post.

I believe Ichigo has struck gold with his investigations.
Time will tell if he hit the jackpot...:beam:

[Northnovas]

Damn.. the org was hanging when I was about to make my post.

I believe Ichigo has struck gold with his investigations.
Time will tell if he hit the jackpot...:beam:


Ditto and for the record

vote:00Jebus

[Andres]

Day 2 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Taormina_GiardinoPublico.jpg

Taormina - Giardino Publico - 10.20 p.m.

After Pino had told the villagers the disturbing news, the discussion started. A heated debate followed.

Some of them were almost certainly lawyers on a holiday and started long, elaborated monologues. Ichigo's name was frequently mentioned, but after a lenghty discussion and an unexpected event, democracy decided that 00jebus was guilty.

"Ok," Pino said. "Bring Mister 00jebus to me."

"Oh please, no need to push me", 00jebus said, walking calmy towards Pino.

"Got any last words, Mister 00jebus?"

"Well, it seems like fate is inevitable, eh?"

"So it seems indeed."

"Can I have a last cigar and a glass of cognac, please?"

"I don't see no harm in that. Can someone bring this gentleman what he asked for? Make sure it's the finest cognac we have," Pino added, nodding respectfully to 00jebus.

00jebus lit the cigar and nipped from his cognac. "Life is beautiful, isn't it? Just a pity that it has to end this way. Oh well, do what you have to do. Thanks for the outstanding cognac and the good cigar, by the way."

Pino drew his gun, and pointed it at 00jebus' head.

The bullet between the eyes ended 00jebus' life mercifully.

Pino sighed. "Let's hope we were right this time and that the killings will finally stop now. Good night ladies and gentlemen, we'll meet again tomorrow, same time, same place."

The crowd left the public garden of Taormina.

***

Tally:

00jebus : 10 :skull: (Ichigo, woad&fangs, Caius, Crazed Rabbit, Sasaki Kojiro, Husar, TinCow, AntiWarmanCake, Tratorix, Privateerkev)


Ichigo: 3 (pevergreen, 00jebus, Haudegen)
Crazed Rabbit : 3 (Omanes, Glenn, Gaius Sribonius Curio)
The Stranger : 2 (Makanyane, Kukrikhan)

Makanyane: 1 (Rythmic)
Sarathos: 1 (Mithrandir)

Abstain: 2 (Beefy187, Bananabob)

Not voting: 11 (Tiberius, Yaropolk, Sarathos, Zorg, The Stranger, Northnovas, LittleGrizzly, Sigurd, axel, TwilightBlade, Proletariat.)

Alive (32)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger Elite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (3)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan

Lynched (2)
shlin28
00jebus

WoG'ed (0)

Suicide (1)

Hiji

***

NOTE : The Stranger has been replaced by Elite Ferret.

It's now night. PM's please. This night will last for 24 hours and will end tomorrow, at 22.00 (GMT +2)

[Ferret]

Hello people of Taormina!

[Privateerkev]

Hello people of Taormina!

:jumping:

[seireikhaan]

Oww... my pride... :bigcry:

Sorry, Ichi.

[woad&fangs]

I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.

[Privateerkev]

I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.

I think half of the guys in here would buy that video...

:laugh4:

[Andres]

I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.

:sweatdrop:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Half?

[TinCow]

I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.

Definitely. I very much hope that Ichigo and the prostitute are now in contact via PM. Since Ichigo knows who the prostitute is and both are pro-town, they should be working together.

Good luck to pevergreen and Haudegen, who failed to change their votes in time. Looks like the Man in Black will have more targets tonight.

[Csargo]

Definitely. I very much hope that Ichigo and the prostitute are now in contact via PM. Since Ichigo knows who the prostitute is and both are pro-town, they should be working together.

Good luck to pevergreen and Haudegen, who failed to change their votes in time. Looks like the Man in Black will have more targets tonight.

He can only kill one person, and it'll probably be the first person who voted for me so either Sasaki or pever.


I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.

If I can't investigate anyone then I'm useless.

[pevergreen]

I cant help it, I was asleep!

I voted Ichigo because he wasnt in his townie playstyle. I could tell it was a role, I just said mafia because It was more likely.

[TinCow]

If I can't investigate anyone then I'm useless.

Urg, that's true, and if the prostitute protects you, she might get killed as well. I think the odds of you living through the night without protection are essentially nil. At least you've done a lot of good by helping us lynch one of the three mafia and you've essentially neutered the Man in Black, since he won't be killing anymore once there are no more votes on you. That just leaves two mafia and the assassin, who can apparently go either pro-town or pro-mafia after you're dead. Not bad odds, all considered.

[Csargo]

Urg, that's true, and if the prostitute protects you, she might get killed as well. I think the odds of you living through the night without protection are essentially nil. At least you've done a lot of good by helping us lynch one of the three mafia and you've essentially neutered the Man in Black, since he won't be killing anymore once there are no more votes on you. That just leaves two mafia and the assassin, who can apparently go either pro-town or pro-mafia after you're dead. Not bad odds, all considered.

My brother might just go insane after my death and start killing off everyone.

[TinCow]

I don't suppose there's a secret therapist role around, is there?

[Caius]

My brother might just go insane after my death and start killing off everyone.
Your brotha? What da hell?

[Privateerkev]

Half?

Ok ok, I didn't think you were into that stuff but I guess it's half +1. :laugh4:

I dunno, I pulled the amount out of thin air. I won't dare try to analyze this group and try to figure out what their preferences are. (i'll let andres do that when he writes prostitute pm's.) :beam:

[naut]

Wow, that's quite the turn-around, I'm glad I didn't vote for Ichi. :sweatdrop:

[Privateerkev]

Alright, time for another attempt at a theory. I have been looking into Juliette's brother and here is what I have found.

1.) It seems that her brother will go after you if you vote for Ichigo at all. Khaan voted for Ichigo but was not on Andres's final vote tally for day 1. So everyone who thinks they are safe, probably isn't.

2.) I am going out on a limb with this next one but bare with me. I do not believe Juliette's brother will ever vote for her. One, it could cause harm to come to her which is against his "role" from what Ichigo's reveal shows. And two, he would basically have to attack himself.

So, I have made a couple of lists. Here are all of the people that have ever voted for Ichigo.

makaikhaan: dead
Glenn
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
00jebus: dead
Haudegen
AntiWarmanCake
Privateerkev

The nine of us left alive are all possible victims of the serial killer.

Now here is a list of everyone who never voted for Ichigo.

shlin28: dead
Ichigo: I seriously doubt Juliette is her own brother... :dizzy2:
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief: dead
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Gaius Sribonius Curio
The Stranger: (now Elite Ferret)
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
Hiji: dead
Bananabob
Tratorix
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh: dead

So that leaves 22 possible suspects once you cut out the dead and Ichigo himself. Any of them could be Juliette's brother if my theory is correct.

[Csargo]

Ichigo's Suspect List:

Glenn- His initial lurking until someone pointed out the fact that he was lurking is what first pointed at Glenn. He also seems to be restraining his accusations and how much actual detail is in his posts. I'm not sure if he has a pro-town role or mafia role, but I am pretty sure he has some sort of role.

CR- His posting just seems weird, he doesn't normally act in this way. I think he's operating off the assumption that it would be crazy for someone who has a role to act that way. It's a good idea, but it nearly got him lynched last round. I think he has a role of some sort.

More to come later...

[Mithrandir]

If it's legit, would that mean that even if the 3 mobsters are dead, you'd have to go after who juliette's brother is to save who voted for her?

That could end up lynching more people than saving ~:laugh4:.

Don't you get to know if a lynched person is in the maffia?

[pevergreen]

No, all dead people have hidden roles, we just guess off the death write-ups.

[Ferret]

There is still a possibility that Ichigo's reveal was wrong, I don't think it is but after what TC did in the Netherworld mafia I'm suspicious of everone. I also agree that CR's style seems different from normal, he seems very quiet and sarcastic.

[TinCow]

If Ichigo's reveal was fake, it was a very bad idea. Juliette would be a top priority target for all three mafia plus the assassin. By revealing as Juliette, whether real or fake, Ichigo has essentially doomed himself. Even if he was mafia and faked it, the other mafia family wouldn't know that his reveal was faked, and thus they would target him, as would the assassin. Not exactly the best method to play as mafia. Ichigo is almost certainly legit.

[Ferret]

good point, Ichigo is too much of a veteran to make a mistake like that, he has my trust.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Alright, time for another attempt at a theory. I have been looking into Juliette's brother and here is what I have found.

1.) It seems that her brother will go after you if you vote for Ichigo at all. Khaan voted for Ichigo but was not on Andres's final vote tally for day 1. So everyone who thinks they are safe, probably isn't.

2.) I am going out on a limb with this next one but bare with me. I do not believe Juliette's brother will ever vote for her. One, it could cause harm to come to her which is against his "role" from what Ichigo's reveal shows. And two, he would basically have to attack himself.

So, I have made a couple of lists. Here are all of the people that have ever voted for Ichigo.

makaikhaan: dead
Glenn
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
00jebus: dead
Haudegen
AntiWarmanCake
Privateerkev

The nine of us left alive are all possible victims of the serial killer.

Now here is a list of everyone who never voted for Ichigo.

shlin28: dead
Ichigo: I seriously doubt Juliette is her own brother... :dizzy2:
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief: dead
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Gaius Sribonius Curio
The Stranger: (now Elite Ferret)
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
Hiji: dead
Bananabob
Tratorix
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh: dead

So that leaves 22 possible suspects once you cut out the dead and Ichigo himself. Any of them could be Juliette's brother if my theory is correct.





No! I'm in touble! It makes sense though, I think anyone could be kill by Juliette's brother, not just us 9, but us 9 people who voted for him got a better chance.

[Crazed Rabbit]

There is still a possibility that Ichigo's reveal was wrong, I don't think it is but after what TC did in the Netherworld mafia I'm suspicious of everone. I also agree that CR's style seems different from normal, he seems very quiet and sarcastic.

Wow, what an insightful theory. I am completely blown away by your powers of observation.

~;p


Glenn- His initial lurking until someone pointed out the fact that he was lurking is what first pointed at Glenn. He also seems to be restraining his accusations and how much actual detail is in his posts. I'm not sure if he has a pro-town role or mafia role, but I am pretty sure he has some sort of role.

I knew something was off with the cut of his jib.


CR- His posting just seems weird, he doesn't normally act in this way. I think he's operating off the assumption that it would be crazy for someone who has a role to act that way. It's a good idea, but it nearly got him lynched last round. I think he has a role of some sort.

*shifty eyes*

CR

[TinCow]

1.) It seems that her brother will go after you if you vote for Ichigo at all. Khaan voted for Ichigo but was not on Andres's final vote tally for day 1. So everyone who thinks they are safe, probably isn't.

I'm a little bit more optimistic than you. makaikhaan did indeed vote for Ichigo on Day 1. Andres made an error in his final vote tally which put makaikhaan's vote on w&f, but that missed makaikhaan's post which unvoted w&f and re-voted Ichigo. So, at the end of the day makaikhaan's vote actually was on Ichigo. I am hopeful that Andres noticed this error when he was figuring out who the Man in Black would go after. If so it's still possible that the MiB can only kill people who had 'final' votes on Ichigo. For tonight that would be limited to pevergreen and Haudegen.

Emphasis on the hopeful. :juggle2:

[Privateerkev]

FoS: Crazed Rabbit

While one reason I voted for you was to keep Ichigo from getting lynched, your certainly acting suspicious in your own right.

Is Glenn the next person your going to use to keep the suspicion off of yourself?

And can you give us any better defense than, If-I-was-really-mafia-I-would-play-better?

TC: I guess we'll see in a couple hours when we see who Juliette's brother kills. I'm on that list too... o_O

[Mithrandir]

TC: I guess we'll see in a couple hours when we see who Juliette's brother kills. I'm on that list too... o_O
I'm not :2thumbsup: .

And if no one is killed, we'll know Ichigo was lying.


I haven't checked, but there are quite a lot of players who haven't posted yet, right? Will they be kicked out of the game? Of does it still count as playing if they don't vote but do kill (if they're maffia)?

[Privateerkev]

And if no one is killed, we'll know Ichigo was lying.


I haven't checked, but there are quite a lot of players who haven't posted yet, right? Will they be kicked out of the game? Of does it still count as playing if they don't vote but do kill (if they're maffia)?

The part about Juliette's brother seems too elaborate to be made up. That and it does jive with what we know about Khaan's death.

As for inactive players, I'm assuming there will be some WoG's in a few turns if people don't get more active.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

The part about Juliette's brother seems too elaborate to be made up. That and it does jive with what we know about Khaan's death.

As for inactive players, I'm assuming there will be some WoG's in a few turns if people don't get more active.


We will see if it jives or not. Hopefully Ichi wasn't lying, I doubt he would be though.


Me Not inactive I think

[Crazed Rabbit]

And can you give us any better defense than, If-I-was-really-mafia-I-would-play-better?

Why fix it if it ain't broke?

CR

[Privateerkev]

Why fix it if it ain't broke?

CR

Because your not being very helpful. If your not mafia then your at least being a "bad" townie.

Unless something happens in the night report that sheds new light on someone else, you seem to be the best candidate for the next lynch.

[Andres]

Night 3 - Conclusion

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Crazed Rabbit had a bad feeling about what happened during that last day.

He almost got himself lynched! Apparently, being drunk during these meetings wasn't such a good idea after all. Next time, he would pay more attention and, if necessary, just keep his mouth shut.

While he was walking down one of the narrow streets of Taormina, very early in the morning, a man jumped out of the shadows and punched him in the face. Crazed Rabbit fell down, his nose heavily bleeding. The man started to kick him in the stomach, on his back, on his head, knees, ... without saying a word. Crazed Rabbit tried to call for help, but the streets were still empty at this time of the day.

When the beating stopped, Crazed Rabbit tried to get up, not able to speak a word.

Crazed Rabbit finally managed to get on his knees, only to get his head chopped off by a sword.

His murderer kicked the mutilated body a few more times before leaving the scene.

***

Earlier, during the night, in a hotel, a bit further down the same narrow street...

A man entered his room. Another man pushed the first one and punched him in his face. While the first man was recovering from the blow, the agressor took a piano fibre, ready to strangle his victim. Somehow, the first man managed to roll on his side. He pulled his gun and pointed it at his attacker. The shot, aimed at the attacker's head, missed.

Both men stopped their fight, because of the screams of another man further down the hall.

***

A stunning beauty entered the hotel.

A man noticed the beauty entering one of the hotel rooms. It was rumored that this room was occupied by a lovely woman on holiday. He ran down the stairs, to the hall, yelling "It's going to happen! It's going to happen! Two women in one room! Two women in one room! Oh my, oh my!"

Within minutes all remaining male inhabitants were standing in front of the hotel room. Unfortunately, the women were in one of the more expensive rooms of the hotel...

Sound proof walls...

The drooling crowd took turns trying to peek through the keyhole, but they only saw a few dolls and a pair of glasses.

Heavily disappointed, the men went back to their rooms...

***

After the disappointing experience, Glenn decided to take a walk outside.

Something hit him on the head and he fell down unconscious.

When he woke up, he was tied and blindfolded. He groaned, he had an awful headache.

"I have a spoon", a voice whispered in his ear.

"Huh? Please, whoever you are, stop this. Untie me."

"Why did you insult my family?"

"I don't know what you are talking about man, please, untie me!"

"You disappoint me, Glenn. You're usually more talkative and elaborate then that. Let me tell you more about this spoon. It's edges are very sharp. It's a sharp spoon. Are you also a sharp spoon?"

"Untie me! Now! I'm not interested in your spoon!"

"But it's sharp! Sharper then you are... I'll show you how sharp it is."

The man pulled Glenn's tongue out of his mouth.

"Mmwa, huha, ggrlgl", Glenn said.

The spoon cut through Glenn's tongue. Blood filled his mouth. He wanted to scream, but the blood almost suffocated him.

"Let me help you with that," the man said.

Sarcasm being his favourite type of humour, he put the tongue in Glenn's throat, thus helping him to suffocate to dead.

The man grinned.

***


Day 3

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Taormina - Giardino Publico - 7.00 a.m.

Pino saw the crowd gathering before him.

He noticed with regret that today they were fewer in numbers than yesterday.

"Ladies and gentlemen, this morning I found the bodies of Crazed Rabbit and Glenn. Both bodies were severly mutilated. Crazed Rabbit lost his head and Glenn lost his tongue. I also found a bullet and the signs of a struggle in one of the hotel rooms. I don't know for sure what happened, but it seems like somebody picked the wrong target. The supposed victim apparently knows how to handle himself. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything about the identities of the people involved in the struggle. Well, you know what to do. Start voting!"


The remaining survivors looked at each other. Paranoia was slowly getting Taormina in its' grasp. Would they survive these horrible events?

***

Alive (30)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (5)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit

Lynched (2)
shlin28
00jebus

WoG'ed (0)

Suicide (1)

Hiji

***


It's now day 3. You can start voting. Day will end within +/- 24 hours (around 22.00 (GMT +2)).

WoG will happen as I see fit :evil:

[Privateerkev]

Someone killed Glenn?

:furious3:

Seems like it was Juliette's brother. Which means there are still 8 of us that could be potential victims.

And it looks like I might have been wrong about CR...

But what happened in the one room with the two guys?

[shlin28]

Hmmm... too many (attempted) kills... did Ichigo lie? or is one of the guy attacked by Ichigo's brother (Haudegen/pever) mafia???

:inquisitive: