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Osbot
10-06-2002, 12:11
I've played several campaigns. English, Spanish, Danes, Turks, all went pretty much the same, a little fighting while I built a huge trade empire, and then I rampaged.

Few days ago, I started my second HRE campaign, my first was on normal difficulty, and was my first campaign, I had no idea on tech trees and while I carved out a large empire, I ran into the almo horde with no real answer.

This campaign, has blown me away.

Background, im playing with the early 1092 patch, on expert with HRE.

My first objective was to increase my crop income, and turn Franconia and Bohemia, both with iron into my main troop producers. I also drove hard and fast to Province to get a southern medi port.

Everything was going along nicely, Saxony was lightly garrisoned as the danes have never before really shown themselves to be all too ballsy.

Mid 1100, the danes launch an attack on me, I barely managed to repel it, however the result was a near catastrophe.

First the Italians, suddenly mobalized, they struck most of my southern empire, I was smiling, knowing the Italians were NO match for me whatsoever.

A year later, the Polish attacked. Now I have a bit of a problem, I should be ok, I still have the numberical superiority to fight them both, as the Danes are NOT much of a problem.

Then, the French attacked. They had destroyed the English, and were a force to be reckoned with.

I spent a few years TRYING to fight at my front lines, slowly losing provinces as the numberically superior enemies picked off my weakily garrisoned territories.

I then decided, I've got nothing to lose, I had the Italians bottled up, I'd taken Venice, from them, while they continued to attack me, my MAIN problem were the all too numerous French armies. So I retreated, I fell back letting the French occupy the territories I retreated from. My hope was that they would over extend.

I continued to strengthen my eastern front, to make the Poles think twice about trying to take anymore territory.

I rushed as many units to my new western line as possible, while Franconia and Bohemia merged a large Fuedal MAA and Fuedal Sgt army to delay the French while I dealt with the Italians.

Ten years later, the last Italian garrison on the mainland was about to fall to a 4 year siege. My fleets surrounded Corsica and Sardinia, while I left only token garrisons to hold the newly conquered land Italian lands.

France was now my target, and I intended to make them pay.

I launched 2 more battle hardened armies at the french, the french however, ran, and did not fight. So while I was filling my coffers, I was not inflicting damages on the French Armies. Fate had another card up her sleeve for me, rebellion, mass FRENCH rebellion. The french populace, obviously disheartened by her armies in a full retreat from me began to waver and rebel. Normady, Brittany, and several others broke away. I quickly occupied Brittany and Normandy, and the French broke off attacks against me to lick her wounds and reconsolidate the remaining territories lost to rebellion.

Over the next few years, I finished off the Italians, and then eyed a Glorious Achievement, restoring the Roman Empire. I descended on Rome and installed a Puppet Pope, leaving the majority of my MAIN armies as garrisons to maintain that the Pope did NOT come back.

Fate it seems, is not without its irony...

The spanish, whom were now without a doubt THE super power, having control of the Entire Iberian Peninsula over to Constantinople, began launching crusades against the Turks.

I was happy to allow the Spanish Crusaders passage through my less defended territories, however the Spanish Crusaders eyed my massed armies in Franconia...This was unacceptable, my puppet pope, had given permission to the Spanish to pillage my lands, I put my foot down on the back of the Spaniards as we stamped that crusade out...

Again, things tumbled out of control. It was the second dominoe effect in 50 years, Spain, France, Poland, Byzantine, Hungary, Novogod, ALL declared war.

Under attack from nearly all sides, I had to pull out of the papal states, and marshal my most elite armies to the East. France was not yet fully recovered, or so I thought...

I reclaimed Austria, pushed to Prussia, hammered the hapless Poles out of existance. The French however, were determined to give a better account of themselves than last time.

A back and forth battle ensued between France and I, while Novogod, Byzantine and Hungary continued to whittle away my eastern defences, incurring terrible losses against my veteran armies. I was able to stave off MAJOR disaster by amphibiously landed a large army on the lightly defended Iberian Peninsula and incurring terrible infrastucture damage to the Spanish, whom shortly there after sued for peace.

That is how things stand right now. I have a bridge head to normady and brittany via illes de france, which is hotly contended. The fighting in the west is extemely desperate. Where once the forces facing each other numbered in the thousands, they are now in the low hundreds.

I believe that France is on the brink of total defeat, however they continue to land troops from the isles. Italy is ripe for a papal return, and the eastern front is holding fast, but for how long? I don't know. I am unsure of the Byz and Novogod strength. At this point, I think only the arrival of the Mongals will pull enough resources away from my battle lines with the Novogod to stave off a major offensive into my territory.

All in all, almost every turn of this campaign has been fought for tooth and nail, several times i've had the weight of the world thrown at me, and so far it appears that I MIGHT just stave off this latest attempt to keep the mighty HRE down ;p

10-06-2002, 13:48
Hi,

Thank you for your post. I love reading campaign reports and yours was quite enjoyable.

I have been finishing up my English campaign and I was going to try Turkey on hard next. Good fortune in your campaign.

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Forest Gump,
V'ger gone

spmetla
10-06-2002, 14:30
Same here. I only play HRE now, except when testing out my mods because it is the most chalenging faction to play.

It's a much more satisfying victory. And the HRE has a lot of money potential but most of it goes right out the door building troops, upgrading you thousands of provinces and funding your lastet war. Not to mention seeing as your the biggest you'll always be the one that gets excommunicated for warring with other catholics.

I love the HRE, and consider myself Holy Roman Emperor.

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Arcsim
10-06-2002, 19:42
Same thing happened to me as Byzantines. Even though I was the strongest militarily, Egypt, Russia, Sicily, Italy, and the Poles all declared war on me and everyone else canceled their alliances with me. This wouldn't be that big of a problem except that as soon as the italians declared war on me I lost a huge portion of my income because of the trade blockade and started running a defecit to pay for my army.

Grifman
10-06-2002, 20:19
Yeah, thanks for posting. I don't want to play anymore until the patch comes out so these AAR's feed me until then. And I had recently decided the HRE is going to be my next faction to play so it sounds fun.

Grifman

Jo_Beare
10-06-2002, 23:27
Osbot,
Sounds like fun.

Is the HRE more prone to civil wars? I had it to happen to me as the HRE. It also happened to the computer when I was playing as the Italians. I wonder if HRE generals are bit more disloyal.

The Spanish were also a serious problem in my campaign. The French kicked the English and then the Swiss kicked the French and now Spain is kicking the Swiss along with me. Then the game crashed and now I have to wait for the patch to come out before I can finish it.


JoBeare

martin4444
10-07-2002, 04:32
Hmmm, I got inspiried by your post. Tried it out on Expert. It's now 1200 and still nobody has attacked me, quite disappointing, I'm now at the point where I had 6 strong countries with tech savy production sites, and I'm pretty sure it will be the same old conquer everyone without much hassle. I used to play Danish exclusivly, but it got boring, by the time I went to war with everyone I was hopelessy outmatching everyone http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif. The best game I had however was with Byzantine, the Turks attacked very early, and the Egyptians joined in together with the Hungarians.. boy was the fun! I was actually giving up terriotory, and it was a real challange to get back on track. Much fun.

In my current game as HRE france has everything to the west including the isles and down to the spanish border, The spanish has contained the Almonds and are busy with them While I have middle europe, obviously since that is my starting position, France took care of the italians and the pope as well. And to the east we have Byzantium and Hungary exclusivly, all whom I've been allied with since turn 3.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Walk in the park.. and uh so boring..

Mr Durian
10-07-2002, 16:30
"Over the next few years, I finished off the Italians, and then eyed a Glorious Achievement, restoring the Roman Empire."

Only Byzantines could restore the roman empire. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Osbot
10-10-2002, 04:04
The HRE has a GA to restore the Roman Empire, I presume it is probably the same as the Byz. Take Papal States, Rome, Venice and Tuscany I believe.

I don't think that every campaign this will happen, as there are too many variables, however, I think the potential for a very challenging game is there, especially for the HRE and Byz. Being surrounded on all sides as opposed to some factions where they face at most 1 or 2 factions on all fronts can really cause a scramble if everyone allies against you ;p

Maybe I just got lucky.

My campaign is on the down swing now. France is all but defeated, only the pope is letting them hang on. Novogod and Hungary are dealing with the Golden Horde, and I am about to invade the Iberian Peninsula.

My next campaign, im eyeing the Byzantines, maybe the spanish, or perhaps the Poles. If I play the Poles, I will limit myself to how much of the rebel lands I pickup.

Cyricist
10-10-2002, 04:27
Quote Originally posted by Mr Durian:
"Over the next few years, I finished off the Italians, and then eyed a Glorious Achievement, restoring the Roman Empire."

Only Byzantines could restore the roman empire. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Umm.. actually.. only the Byzantines AND the HRE could do that.. since they were seperated at the 'end' of antiquity, leaving the world with a largely scattered and defeated 'western' Roman empire and a still intact 'eastern' Roman empire.. the Byzantine empire of you will..

Negative
10-10-2002, 05:04
I've played HRE quite a bit. I've noticed that they are a little more prone to revolts. They also seem to have low ranking commanders. I can't remeber ever getting one that had more than 4 stars. Meanwhile all of the countries around HRE were getting 6 star or more generals. I still kicked butt though. I love the HRE!

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sidhe
10-10-2002, 06:01
I have tried the HRE once, this last game in fact, and I've had my arse handed to me by the French. This is on hard setting.

I was not looking for it since I had been having very peacable relations with the French when I played the English. I kinda thought it was the English they wanted to fight. Guess it's the HRE.

Osbot
10-10-2002, 06:28
Maybe I got lucky with a rare line of the family tree. I had my ruler popping out command 5 heirs for awhile, they didn't have great V&V's but still they were decent.

I also got lucky with some off the production line fuedal sgts that were 4 command, which are 7 and 8 command now.

Swoosh So
10-10-2002, 17:27
Whats the 1092 patch????

Pellinor
10-10-2002, 18:42
I'm playing HRE as my first campaign (been going a few weeks, but I don't have much spare time).

Early start, Expert. It's 1211 and I have everything west of the Adriatic, plus the Balkans. I found no-one ever declared war on me, except the Italians once (briefly), but then again no-one will accept or sue for a ceasefire.

The campaign has basically been: a few years of build-up, then France got steamrollered. The King died in the Isle de France, leaving Brittany as rebels. A pause, then the English on the continent died. I got carried away and ended up in Northumbria, but this took some slogging as I wasn't really prepared to go so far and didn't have the troops at first. I also discovered the joys of bribing a rebel army only to have the province revolt against it (D'oh).

Denmark came next - unsupported knights don't last long against spears - and then Italy attacked, for no apparent reason. They retreated too much, though, and were reduced to Corsica and Sardinia *very* quickly.

The Almohads were next on my list, but seemed too strong so I waited to build up troops and reduce Sicily and the remains of Italy. The Pope also got in the way, so Rome ended up with a spear-heavy reception commitee on permanent guard.

The Almohads caused some trouble - the first time I met AUM was in Valencia, attacking across the bridge - but the Caliph died early on. This prompted a resurgence of Spain among the rebels, but I "accidentally" didn't notice that half of the Iberian peninsula was Christian until too late. Mopping up the rebels took me to Tunisia, where I sat and glared at the Egyptians for a bit.

After a long build-up, punctuated by beating up the Pope (who was eventually allowed to occupy the Papal states with 100 archers and 40 spears, just to shut him up) I decided to attack Greece (Turkish, the Byzantines being Ukrainian now). I made it to Constantinople with no opposition, but am now being attacked by combined Turkish and Egytian forces in huge numbers. Well, not so huge now *cougharbalests*. Give it a few years and they'll have nothing left.

You'll notice that Eastern Europe hasn't been mentioned. I basically haven't moved there at all. My spies tell me that Novgorod is big, but Poland and the Byzantines seem happy to sit where they are. I'd upgrade my border garrisons, which have been there since 1087, but I have better uses for the troops. Oh, Hungary jumped in to the Greek campaign, but is about to expire. I may have to kill the Pope because of it, though.

For the future: the Holy land is mine within 20 years, barring accidents, then Novgorod should be a piece of cake. World domination by 1250 seems on the cards, although I keep hearing disturbing rumours of Mongols - when will they turn up, I wonder?

I do like having the wide range of strategic options HRE gives you - one can go anywhere, which has led to lots of deliberating. The enemies are very different, too. I've been dealing with one or two enemies at a time, but I've gotten so used to smashing the Pope's heavy cavalry that the Egyptian and Hungarian lights have left my spears floundering. Time to redraft the doctrines.

I don't find agents too useful, but that's probably because I haven't the patience to micromanage them. Assassins are irrelevant if you have 1600 troops to take out the general, spies do little that a garrison or emissary can't, bishops seemingly less. Emissaries are nice for recce and bribing, but that's about the only use I find for agents.

I have found that my heirs are poor. A few were good early on, and one of the old ones is now my 8 star spearhead, but most now are 1 or 2 stars.

I had an interesting battle last night, BTW. I attacked Cyrenaica, against superior forces, basically in order to distract the Egyptians and wear them down a bit. The sailed in reinforcements, so I was outnumbered rather more than I thought. I therefore occupied an nice hill and decided to see if I could get the enemy to attack, but the entire army retreated. The reinforcements came on and stood for a bit, so I advanced slowly, and they vanished too. Result: a victory with no blood shed.

The particularly nice thing was that I captured 433 men, presumably the ones who sailed in, and got no ransom. Add that to the ones now cooped up in the castle, and it looks like I've taken out 1000 Egyptians for no loss. Attrition was never so easy!

Sorry for the long post. Hope some of it was of interest.

Cheetah
10-18-2002, 09:51
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