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ATPG's 'Open Challenge' thread got me thinking that it might be fun to run a Hotseat Tournament in here. All games would be 1 v 1. The person whose faction is eliminated first (either by AI or the other player) loses the match and the other person moves on to the next round. Essentially, all that matters is making sure the other guy is eliminated, no matter how it is accomplished.
Mod/map selection would be done by mutual consensus. If both players agree on a particular mod/map, they can play on anything they like. If they cannot agree, the vanilla campaign map is used. Once the mod/map is chosen, I will flip a coin to determine who gets to pick their faction first. Any faction in the mod/map may be chosen, unless it is disabled from the start. The tournament would proceed as a single-game elimination bracket, until only one player is left.
Would there be any interest in this?
Potential players: (14.5)
Askthepizzaguy
Monk
Ramses II CP
Elite Ferret
Ichigo
rossahh
Ignoramus
cassu (Cannot play during summer)
Ibn-Khaldun
Byblos
00jebus
The Lemongate
TriforceV
turcoman
AndyNgFL
FactionHeir
05-20-2008, 13:50
This might take over a year to finish.
Askthepizzaguy
05-20-2008, 14:02
Darn tootin' I'd be interested. I'm glad that my idea has sparked so much attention.
Count me in on the tournament.
This might take over a year to finish.
It could, but I'm patient. Some games might also go quickly, depending on the factions chosen. On a vanilla map, France vs HRE would be over much faster than England vs. Turks.
Ramses II CP
05-20-2008, 14:22
Yeah, I'd be in as well. Hopefully people will be cooperative about picking relatively nearby factions and such.
:egypt:
I'll do it.
As Ramses said, there should be a few limits to what factions the players can choose. Perhaps having a single AI faction in between the players would be best - for example England v HRE (AI France in between) or ERE vs KoJ (BC, with Armenia in between) - as both players will have a little bit of time to build up some military forces but the games won't go for too long. Can you imagine how long a game would take if it was something like Egypt v Scotland? However, it would probably be too short if the players were direct neighbors from the off - eg. Spain v Portugal.
What do the others think?
I have no experience in hotseat game and would just be organizing the tournament, not playing it, so I will defer to the opinion of those who know what they are talking about. However, as I see it, the situation could balance itself out with careful choices of factions. The first player to pick will have an advantage because they can choose any faction they want, allowing them to claim a very powerful faction (e.g. France) or an easily defensible spot (e.g. England). However, the first player won't know which faction the second player will take. While the second player will have fewer options, he will be able to react to the first player however he wants. He can choose to take a faction right next to the first player, or far away. He can pick a faction which can easily Crusade/Jihad against the first player as a 'rush' tactic. He can pick a rich faction which can spam assassins early on, seeking to win via elimination of the family members. He can pick a faction that starts as a powerhouse, or a smaller one that can easily expand into rebel or AI held provinces. Thus the first player has to keep all these options in mind while picking his faction and the very selection of factions itself becomes a major part of the strategy.
Also, we need at least 8 players for this, preferrably 16.
Not if you turned it into a league sort of thing, rather than rely on rounds.
I'd prefer a league, that way I wouldn't be knocked out in the first round :laugh4:
Ignoramus
05-21-2008, 13:15
I'm in, but I hope I don't get paired with ATPG.
I'm in, but I hope I don't get paired with ATPG.
Who does? That guy is ruthless! :help:
The league idea is interesting. Let's see how many players we get first, though.
Galain_Ironhide
05-21-2008, 15:42
No time to do it myself unfortunately (insert comment about work, whinging wife blah,blah,blah..) But an excellent idea. :yes:
If a league was to be implemented, You would need to impose a time limit for each game, otherwise a lot of players could be waiting a very long time between rounds because of other gamers taking too long in their conquest. (ie, two turtlers going at it.)
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2008, 15:48
No time to do it myself unfortunately (insert comment about work, whinging wife blah,blah,blah..) But an excellent idea. :yes:
If a league was to be implemented, You would need to impose a time limit for each game, otherwise a lot of players could be waiting a very long time between rounds because of other gamers taking too long in their conquest. (ie, two turtlers going at it.)
Thats a very good suggestion, Galain... very wise. I hadn't considered two turtles gumming up the works...
I'm in, but I hope I don't get paired with ATPG.
You're already paired with me in an exhibition match... :laugh2:
Who does? That guy is ruthless! :help:
Not too ruthless to be fun to play against, I hope. Truthfully I could have invaded a few turns back, but I wanted to give you more time.
Uh... time's up?
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2008, 20:42
Pardon the double post (last three replies were merged into one post)
I've been thinking that there should be certain rules for each faction, agreed to by the majority of players.
Examples:
Scotland players should never have to face an England player, because it's entirely possible to just zip north and annihilate them.
English players should not face Denmark, because it is entirely possible to zip east and annihilate them in a single shot. England versus France games should be discouraged.
No France versus Portugal games
No France versus Spain games
No France versus Milan games.... etc. Basically, no faction versus neighbor games, as someone else suggested.
Games between factions across the map from one another should agree not to turtle beyond a certain turn number (say, turn 15), then they must go after one another somewhat blitz style.
It's just a bad idea to turtle too much in a duel environment anyway because of lost initiative. An attempt to take a settlement needs to be made.
There should be 5 (?) turns before either player calls a jihad or crusade, for competition purposes. This is because all Islamic factions can jihad from turn one, and only Italian factions can call a crusade from turn one.
I believe Turks versus Egypt should be allowed, because they have too many rebels between them to be afraid of a rush.
Games versus Orthodox factions should not use the Crusade/Jihad function, as thats an unfair advantage against ERE or Russia.
Player controlled battles needs to be enabled so that factions with Horse Archers won't simply die because auto-resolve cheats them so horribly.
No merchant forts, agent stomps, no reloads.
EDIT: New idea:
Maximum turn number: (to keep the game moving) Turn 75.
Reasons: Discourages unneccessary turtling past the first 15 turns, for competitions this means games will have a firm end date, because players will also be expected to complete their turns within... well, maybe not 48 hours, but 100 hours should do it. That way it won't be so necessary to have substitute players. Subs should still be allowed, but no more than one or two turns. Players should also be encouraged to complete their turns in 48 hours or give a good reason why they need the full 100. (4 days and a final 4 hour warning)
If at the end of turn 75 both players remain, then there should be some overall score which ranks them. I believe there is even an overall ranking score already in-game which should be impartial enough to settle this.
If players want a longer game, they should agree to get their turns done quickly.
Again, I'm just offering to be the umpire, so I'll go along with whatever you want, but I don't understand the point of the faction-specific rules. If the first player picks Scotland as their faction, then they should rightly expect to get stomped when the second player picks England. Lesson? In a competative tournament, don't pick a weak faction if you're choosing first. If the first player picks England and the second player picks Scotland, the second player has no one but himself to blame if he loses. The faction choice at the beginning of the game is equivalent to the selection of your starting lineup in a sporting match. If you use all of your worst players, you shouldn't expect to win.
The same for adjacent factions. I can imagine many very interesting games arising from adjacent factions, such as France/HRE, England/France, Venice/Milan, Poland/Hungary, etc. Banning faction selection removes a lot of the strategy from the start of the game.
The bug exploit and turn number rules I like, though.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2008, 21:56
Makes sense. It would just be a shame to see a player eliminated easily because of a faction selection choice.
If I wanted to be Scotland, I'd never win the game. The English player could simply mass all thier forces north, sink all navies, and force the Scottish player to defend their capital and do nothing else. Then, a few spies or a ballista later, it's all over.
I believe as a general guideline at the very least, Rossahh's suggestion of no adjacent empires is a valid one. But if we dont want to make it a rule, thats also fine.
Not too ruthless to be fun to play against, I hope. Truthfully I could have invaded a few turns back, but I wanted to give you more time.
Uh... time's up?
Consider it a compliment :thumbsup:
I had (and am having) a lot of fun in the 1v1 Georgia vs Ayyubid, i knew i'd likely lose you just took be by surprise how effectively you blitzed my defenses. Next time i'll be prepared for that kinda speed! :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2008, 14:44
I probably shouldn't do this, but:
Here's my advice:
Watch your shorelines, be sure to have spies in all your cities ASAP, forts if possible, and don't leave your family members so exposed, even if they are hiding, unless you want to take a big risk. Spies can easily locate any forces hiding in wait. I've already located your King again.
I could have picked off your King a few times, but I didn't have the forces to finish you off and I didn't want you to be able to recover your forces while weakening mine.
You can mount a defense of your territory with spies, forts, forces prepared to move. Also, all your eggs in one basket should be avoided; huge stacks under AI control can be wiped out. Spread them out, so that on your turn you can re-organize them and assault me.
If you put forces in several forts, seperately, with spies in them, I'd have to seige and defeat 2-4 spy-defended forts. That's not simple. It would take INSANE forces to attack that and expect to survive.
Did everyone hear that? Good. When you guys repel my invasion, be sure to thank me. :yes:
I probably shouldn't do this, but:
Here's my advice:
Watch your shorelines, be sure to have spies in all your cities ASAP, forts if possible, and don't leave your family members so exposed, even if they are hiding, unless you want to take a big risk. Spies can easily locate any forces hiding in wait. I've already located your King again.
I could have picked off your King a few times, but I didn't have the forces to finish you off and I didn't want you to be able to recover your forces while weakening mine.
You can mount a defense of your territory with spies, forts, forces prepared to move. Also, all your eggs in one basket should be avoided; huge stacks under AI control can be wiped out. Spread them out, so that on your turn you can re-organize them and assault me.
If you put forces in several forts, seperately, with spies in them, I'd have to seige and defeat 2-4 spy-defended forts. That's not simple. It would take INSANE forces to attack that and expect to survive.
Did everyone hear that? Good. When you guys repel my invasion, be sure to thank me. :yes:
You can't build forts if you're in the red! But I see, makes sense now why you kept your forces divided and bottled up in forts, I could never pin you down and fight you. If nothing else the game showed me turtling is a completely worthless tactic for hotseat games. It just won't do when your opponent is hellbent on your destruction.
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2008, 00:40
Slow turtling, perhaps...
However, I think a moderate expansionist could easily deflect the horde, if they prepare thier defenses from turn one. Remember, I'm attempting to kill you and only you....
(well... in MY case I'm attempting to kill others too, because I am Askthepizzaguy the Most Merciless)
...from turn one. Makes sense that I'm the only one on the board that you should be worried about that you prepare defenses against an assault by me from the beginning of the game.
There needs to be at least an immediate blitz to give your empire some more space, and some sacking florins. Then if you want you can focus on quality instead of quantity. I believe Elite Ferret and his minions in Khwarezm have used the opening blitz to secure an area larger than my own already, which means he should be able to prepare good defenses.
It will be no easy challenge to take anyone down now that pandora's box has been opened and most of my tactics have been revealed. Now you can prepare.
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2008, 18:51
:bump:
We are going to need more players, so I posted in the Hotseat General Recruitment thread.
I'm going to do some friendly, Andres-style advertising using my signature line and through various posts in other forums that are on-topic in order to spread the word.
I also envision creating a Jousting Guild for those interested in Duels, Just-for-fun, Exhibition-style (competitive), League (Official Record for Tournament), and the official Tournaments themselves.
Would the moderator be interested in creating such a sub-forum, if we get enough interest?
The Throne room is great for AARs and for hosting most hotseats, but since duels are going to be more numerous and more personal (one versus one is a great spectator sport, but having dozens of them on the front page of the Throne room will make it harder to find what you want) I recommend having it's own sub-forum within the Throne Room, just like KoTR/LoTR.
:charge:
I'm open to hearing ideas from others about the proposed Jousting Guild. Some of the stickied threads there might include:
1. Basic Training (non-competitive, friendly play where the results don't matter and the rules are agreed on by the players)
2. Duelists' Guild (exhibition-style matches, where rules are more strict, games are more competitive, and records are kept of wins and losses)
3. Jousting League (Where seasons are held before the main tournament. Players will qualify for the tournament so long as their Jousting League record qualifies them in the top 8, 16, or 32 players, depending on how many join the Jousting League)
All Matches here must be moderated by neutral party, with passwords.
4. The Courtyard (Arena where the official League tournaments are held)
All Matches here must be moderated by neutral party, with passwords.
---------------
The non-stickied threads could be AARs for the duels in progress or story threads for the duel games. That way Duelist AAR's and story threads can have their own seperate forum. Also, this would be a great place to host on-topic threads specifically revolving around duels. Debates, hints, tips, FAQ's, strategies... etc.
The Winner of the Tournament should be granted some kind of Org badge to signify their victory. There should be no more than one tournament at a time.
I'll come up with more ideas... what does everyone think?
Sounds great, you should PM this post to Tosa to see if he is interested in creating it. "The moderator" as you call him has been absent for a very long time now and I don't think TinCow has the power to create subforums.
As for the different ides though, they sound good and I would love to participate :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2008, 19:27
I already spoke to TC, but we need more interest. I'd pm everyone that you know who might be interested and see if they would like to join now or in the future.
I hope to get at least 50 participants. I'm head-hunting as we speak.
You can add my name to the list of those who think that's a good idea, it's already a bit crowded in the Throne room, and a tournament would just further complicate the space in here so A sub-forum might be just what the doctor ordered in regards to keeping things nice and tidy. However the interest has to be there first. :yes:
Also, TinCow is on the ball around here. If there's enough interest he can arrange for a new sub-forum to be made in the TR. :thumbsup:
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to leave before ATPG finds out i'm here but not playing my turn.
I'll get it done soon :laugh2:
you could put me on the list but when the summer comes (that would be in 2 weeks) ill be traveling and not able to play but if that is not a problem i could join
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2008, 21:37
not a problem! We have no tournament going atm, so time is no object.
Ibn-Khaldun
05-27-2008, 00:26
I could participate ...
Sounds good idea :2thumbsup:
I'm in, what a cracking idea.
Good to see some renewed interest in this. Keep pushing it and hopefully we'll get enough people. Keep in mind that we really need dependable long-term people for this, though, as it could take many months to finish. It would be annoying to have a semi-final match decided by forfeit. People should not sign up if they are not committed over the long-term.
Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2008, 14:50
Just in case anyone cares, I'm still available for duels. Those I've been duelling with have either all suddenly come down with the flu, or I dunno perhaps they have real life issues that are taking up their time... or maybe they have what I hear is called a "life"...
:clown:
...but the point is I'm super available to take on the entire world. If you would like to try out a quick duel, it would be my pleasure to destroy you
show you the ropes
teach you a lesson
give you a nice, friendly game.
In
my recomendation for quick matchs
LTC's custom campaigns (all factions start off relativly evenly, and there arn't that many)
autoresolve battles
and try and match players based on location, so they could play a few turns per day.
with a max turn limit of course (winner is then one who has highest rating)
oh, and I'll be up for passing on my e-mail to anyone I play so we can move this along faster, so long as nobody passes it on to spammers and the like.
The Lemongate
05-28-2008, 01:28
I'd participate!
And I will insist on using Lord of the Rings mods!
Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2008, 06:41
So... now there are 12.
But there can only be one Highlander.
Ps... I'm the Highlander.
:quiet:
12 is workable. 16 would be better. Go out and recruit!
Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2008, 21:21
Oh believe me I am trying.
I've gotten a lot of "I'm too busy"s though. And maybe I'm a bad spokesman for this because.... well... I've also gotten a lot of "Nah, you'll beat me"s.
Maybe someone less bloodthirsty? I'm hopefully not the only one who's going to be playing these duels. Lets have the other participants snag some people.
:yes:
I'll shoot a mass PM to some reliable hotseat players at TWC, some of them will probably join :yes:
Oh believe me I am trying.
I've gotten a lot of "I'm too busy"s though. And maybe I'm a bad spokesman for this because.... well... I've also gotten a lot of "Nah, you'll beat me"s.
Maybe someone less bloodthirsty? I'm hopefully not the only one who's going to be playing these duels. Lets have the other participants snag some people.
:yes:
It's your dread rating Askthepizzaguy, it scares away the troops!
TriforceV
05-28-2008, 23:12
hmmm..
I guess I could always give this a try,
not terribly good thought, but love a chalellenge
count me in:whip:
Ibn-Khaldun
05-29-2008, 00:16
It's your dread rating Askthepizzaguy, it scares away the troops!
:yes: That's right.. :laugh4:
He scares even me :beam:
phonicsmonkey
05-29-2008, 02:42
:yes: That's right.. :laugh4:
He scares even me :beam:
aw, don't be fooled by his harsh metal exterior
he's a soft and fluffy little kitten underneath
:beam:
miaow!
Askthepizzaguy
05-29-2008, 02:49
I'm not such a bad guy. I get all my frustrations out on the poor computer.
That way I can be my usual cheery self.
turcoman
05-29-2008, 18:12
I wanna join too,please count me in
Wow someone I PMed actually joined! :clown:
welcome turcoman
TriforceV
05-29-2008, 20:08
Wow someone I PMed actually joined! :clown:
welcome turcoman
hey!!
you pmed me too and I joined :furious3:
Oh yeah so I did :embarassed:
Askthepizzaguy
05-30-2008, 00:38
Elite Ferret gets two command stars for his recruiting ability.
Does he get the forgetful trait as well. :bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
05-30-2008, 00:50
And you both get the "abandons duels" trait. :no:
Just kidding!!! :clown: :laugh4:
AndyNgFL
05-30-2008, 03:08
Count me in.
sooooo what's happening? I don't think we're gonna get any more players just letting this thread fall backwards down the page...maybe I should try and get more command stars...
How about asking Tosa to put up a link in an announcement now that Mafia VIII has started?
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2008, 18:21
I've tried. I announced at TW center, and no one ever replied.
I feel that because I am personally duelling 90% of the people who have already joined, and that I've started spam-lite threads all over the place requesting players, and having bothered everyone I know (including Zim, TinCow, Tristan de Castelreng...) regarding duels, I've done all I can.
I don't exactly have a large networking circle. It's the BC crew or bust, basically, plus Monk. So those of you with uh... "friends" might want to keep at it!
:wink:
:Cheering:
Go EF, go EF, go EF.... recruit, recruit, recruit!
:cheerleader:
And that is the last time I wear a pink bow and shake my pom-poms for you. Five is enough.
Well, there is a decent group of core players. We could run it with just this number if you want.
If we are going to have a league type set up then players can be added as we go along if interest increases. Has the method of playing been fully sorted out yet? Ie: ladder, league, knock out or what?
Nope, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm just helping organize this, so I think it's up to you guys. If you want a league, we can do a league. If you want an elimination bracket, we can do an elimination bracket.
There are currently 14 people signed up, not counting cassu, who should probably be excluded because he can't play during the summer. For a league format, we could do two groups of 7 or 4 groups with 4, 4, 3, and 3 respectively. The winners of the groups would then play each other in an elimination format. If the groups of 7 are chosen, I would recommend not having everyone play everyone else, as that's an absurdly large number of games. 3-4 per player would be my recommendation.
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2008, 18:43
We still have less than 16, correct? Basically 14 players.
Here's my proposal.
We begin a 14 player tournament, with all the players here qualifying, and if Cassu wants to join he can be seeded. Forgive my awful artwork.
One player has a Bye round which can be substituted for a round against Cassu who may or may not be playing. Don't know if he's available in the short or long term.
Here's the idea:
https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/ATPG-3/14tournament.jpg
It's a four round elimination tournament with 14 players, possibly a 15th to eliminate the Bye round.
We could do a double-elimination tournament, if you're interested. Same setup, except those who are eliminated will have their own tournament and the winner will face the undefeated champion.
I'd be happy with the small groupings followed by elimination, so long as I'm not with ATPG :clown:
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2008, 18:47
Someone's going to have to get paired with me. :yes: That's why I recommend double elimination.
I don't mind the league idea either. Anything that gets us more games is fine!
14 people should be enough, right?
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2008, 03:44
Yes I think so. Let's get things started.
TinCow, as you're entirely neutral and an effective umpire and moderator, I would leave it to you to pair us all up or form our groups of three/four.
We can do the season games first or skip right to a 14 player double elimination tournament.
The Lemongate
06-04-2008, 03:44
I don't mind being paired with you ATPG!
I'd rather be bashed in the game by you, then in OOC posts by... ok, so I'll just drop that subject... if I manage to get over it...
Highly unlikely as I'm not a real nice guy... but sometimes I make an effort :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2008, 03:45
By who?
send me a pm
All I have is vanilla M2TW patched to 1.3 and SS 4.1 and Kingdoms.
dling another mod is not an option.
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2008, 03:50
Thats not an issue, Ichigo. Everyone should have 1.3 installed on their system, so that if it comes down to it we can duel using that.
I'm utterly sick of 1.3, so if there is an option to take BC or LTC, I want to take it, if my sparring partners wouldn't mind. But again, I'll use 1.3 if necessary.
You should have SS 4.1 as well for LotR.
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2008, 03:58
Yes, but until I play it more, (I've not even done a single campaign) I would feel quite out of my element.
I would need an entirely new strategy, as blitzing as most factions looks enormously difficult/impossible.
The Lemongate
06-04-2008, 04:04
SS 6.1 is so much neater anyways. But you need Kingdoms bwahahahaha!
I agree with ATPG's bracket. I'll pair people up and draw up the draft rules, which can be discussed before the tournament begins. For the record, I will put ATPG and one other person in the 'bye' bracket. So, whoever has to play him will get the benefit of skipping a round if they win. Seems fair, since you're all so afraid of him.
The Lemongate
06-04-2008, 04:12
Afraid? Bah! I remember a certain Indestructible Turkish Sultan who didn't quite make it :smash: :smash: :smash:
But I agree this wasn't the full BlitzMaster trying to crushinate me.
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2008, 04:27
Yes, well, it was my first major battle in a player v player game, I was computer controlled, and you did have overwhelming forces.
That aside, I've done quite well since then.
EDIT: And I WILL crushinate you. All of you. Under my boot. :clown:
I volunteer The Lemongate to face me in the first round. I have a certain friendly score to settle with him for obliterating my Sultan Kilij Arslan.
i hate when parents think its good with a "active" vacation :furious3: i could play if someone knows how i can set a remote connection from my laptop to my stationary comp.
next 2 weeks ill be away but after that i should be able to play a couple games
TriforceV
06-05-2008, 06:53
i hate when parents think its good with a "active" vacation :furious3: i could play if someone knows how i can set a remote connection from my laptop to my stationary comp.
next 2 weeks ill be away but after that i should be able to play a couple games
Ohh yeah, I remember those Active vacations,
My parents dragged me camping!, how I missed my computer on those treacherous trips... :cry:
FactionHeir
06-05-2008, 20:17
I agree with ATPG's bracket. I'll pair people up and draw up the draft rules, which can be discussed before the tournament begins. For the record, I will put ATPG and one other person in the 'bye' bracket. So, whoever has to play him will get the benefit of skipping a round if they win. Seems fair, since you're all so afraid of him.
Meh, I'll take him on without those preconditions.
Askthepizzaguy
06-05-2008, 20:25
Oooh intrigue!
Lemongate already challenged me, but I can let you guys decide who faces me first.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?groupid=6
The Jousting Guild.... social group!
All those engaged in the Tournament to the Death or are currently battling in a Duel to the Death are invited to this group!
Ramses II CP
06-06-2008, 02:25
Well, I make no special claim to skill, but I'm not afraid to take on anyone in a fair fight. I mean, really, what's at stake here except fun? :book:
ooooh, I just noticed I can edit my favorite smilies now! Like I didn't already spend too much time here...
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
06-06-2008, 03:13
Dont be so modest Ramses... You are the only one who has completed my War for Independence Challenge. I still havent found the time to complete it.
You seem to do very well in hotseats as well... I respect you very much as an opponent and I believe you could beat me.
But the only one I truly fear is....... :quiet:
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2008, 18:00
So when is this tournament going to start up anyways? I'm looking forward to it.
If Tincow is busy, I could pair people up myselfs and draw up the roolz.
EDIT: All those interested in entering the Duel to the Death Tournament, might I suggest a little light reading?
Visit my Userpage to read Askthepizzaguy's Duel to the Death Guide (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?do=main&userid=23872)
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 12:54
Loosely based upon the order in which Tincow posted them in the first post:
Seed One
Monk
Ramses II CP
Seed Two
Elite Ferret
Ichigo
Seed Three
rossahh
Ignoramus
Seed Four
Ibn-Khaldun
Byblos
Seed Five
00jebus
TriforceV
Seed Six
turcoman
AndyNgFL
Bye Bracket (Seed Seven)
Askthepizzaguy
The Lemongate
Optional Bracket (Seed Eight?)
Are you guys joining the tournament?
FactionHeir- expressed interest
Cassu- cannot play during summer
________________________
Round Two:
First Division
Seed one winner versus Seed two winner
Second Division
Seed three versus Seed four
Third Division
Seed five versus Seed six
Fourth Division
Seed seven BYE or versus Seed eight winner (or default player)
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Round Three:
Semifinal One
First Division versus Second Division
Semifinal Two
Third Division versus Fourth Division
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Final round:
Semifinal winner One versus Semifinal winner Two
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Main rules:
Vanilla 1.3, LTC 3.1, or Broken Crescent 1.5 with hotfixes (same version must be agreed upon by both players, Vanilla 1.3 is default.
Console must be disabled, passwords must be given to TinCow.
No Crusades or Jihads launched against a human player's province within the first 10 turns. If a human player takes the target city, tough luck for them.
No hacking or modifying the game files.
Reloading prohibited, except when opponent agrees for sportsmanship reasons. (Your starting army goes rebel for no reason, for example)
While choosing neighboring factions is not prohibited, I'd prefer that you get permission from your opponent to choose a neighboring faction. If you insist on that faction, your opponent has a chance to pick again or stand pat.
Also, if both agree to be neighboring factions, crossing into each other's borders or declaring war on turn one is not allowed (due to unfairness of attacking your opponent before he gets any chance whatsoever to defend).
Additional:
1. Two human players enter a hotseat game, forced autoresolve off, console disabled, password enabled.
2. The challenger picks the first faction, his opponent picks the second faction. Who goes first is determined automatically by the game (usually the faction on the player select screen furthest to the left… England in Vanilla, however it’s the Turks in Broken Crescent).
3. In tournament play, a simple game of rock, paper, scissors or a random coin toss can determine who the “challenger” is (who picks first).
4. The game’s version, mod, and factions must be agreed to by both players prior to the game.
5. In tournament or official game play, the console must be disabled.
6. Reloading is discouraged. If you can’t beat your opponent the first time, too bad. However, since reloading cannot be policed, we are forced to go by the honor system.
There may be extenuating circumstances, such as your largest army going rebel on you against all odds. Ask your opponent permission to redo a turn, and if they value sportsmanlike conduct, they will likely allow you to take back one turn in a match.
7. General honesty, sportsmanship, and integrity is valued highly. If you dishonour your opponent, you can expect no one else will be willing to face you at a later date.
8. It is considered bad form to abuse the crusade/jihad system in the following way: Directing a turn 1 (or turn two or three, etc) jihad against a player-controlled faction. If they do not have access to crusades or jihads, it is an unfair tactic. However, if both challengers agree to use crusades or jihads, there are no other restrictions, for example:
Turn 1 crusades/jihads against AI factions are acceptable.
Launching a jihad or crusade against the opposing player is acceptable IF they have called a crusade or jihad against either you or the computer-controlled factions.
In short, if you use crusades or jihads, use them honourably or expect to be counterattacked! Using them against factions who cannot crusade is acceptable only if the opponent agrees.
9. Only well-known and tested mods can be used for official duels. If you and your friends modified the game in your basement, that is not an acceptable mod for duels unless your opponent agrees to it. It will not be used as part of any official tournaments.
If the tournament bracket and the tournament rules are agreed upon by those participating, I suggest we begin. I'll wait a few days so everyone gets a chance to read this, and if TinCow has time he can modify the bracket or the rules and resume his volunteer umpire duties at his convenience.
Apologies, I've been very busy in RL and haven't been able to devote much time to the Org. All my free time goes to reading the LotR threads, since that's my major responsibility, and playing GH's latest Mafia game. I have no problems with ATPG taking over organization of this thing. I am still available to act as a neutral umpire of sorts, if one is needed. Just send me a PM, and I'll make sure I deal with whatever needs to be dealt with.
FactionHeir
06-10-2008, 13:20
Hmm I thought I was the first to sign up. :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 13:39
Drat.... drat drat drat.
I was hoping my 2,000th post would be more momentous... but... I had things to add to the rules.
First of all, happy 5,000th post, TinCow :balloon:
Second, some suggested additions to the rules:
While choosing neighboring factions is not prohibited, I'd prefer that you get permission from your opponent to choose a neighboring faction. If you insist on that faction, your opponent has a chance to pick again or stand pat.
Also, if both agree to be neighboring factions, crossing into each other's borders or declaring war on turn one is not allowed (due to unfairness of attacking your opponent before he gets any chance whatsoever to defend).
Also, FactionHeir is in the tournament, and I'm putting him wherever an empty slot is if someone drops out, OR, he's facing the winner of ATPG versus Lemongate, and we'll go from there. If Cassu is available he will face him first though.
Is everyone ok with this?
:balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon:
FactionHeir
06-10-2008, 13:44
TC made his 5000th at the LotR forum btw :tongue2:
Sounds good to me overall.
Any prohibited factions?
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 13:49
I'm tempted to name a couple of prohibited factions. Basically all the ones I've used so far... :laugh2:
I have to admit I think the Seljuks in Broken Crescent are overpowered enough to make the game unfair in a duel environment. They can claim Baghdad very easily and expand in any direction against all the AI's at once, have the largest starting empire, huge starting forces, have weak neighbors... need I go on?
I don't want to unilaterally eliminate the Seljuks as a faction without everyone's consent. I think they are fine for a handicap match in a friendly game, but honestly in tournament play I think they are too cheap.
I'd personally vow not to use them, as that would be patently unfair to my opponent.
FactionHeir
06-10-2008, 14:03
I was more thinking along the lines of papal states actually :grin:
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 14:15
If you want to use the Papal States, that's fine. Just be warned, you can't call a crusade, and a Jihad will likely annihilate you rather swiftly, after the 10 turn limit.
I think it would be... how does that song go? Suicidal... Suicidal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydvQH-teImk
:wink:
Tomorrow ill play my turn but after that ill be on the road for x amount of days (1 - 2 weeks). i might be able to come back when this tournament thingy is ending but cant join you now but hopefully fore the next one or the ending of this one. :(
FactionHeir
06-10-2008, 23:31
If you want to use the Papal States, that's fine. Just be warned, you can't call a crusade, and a Jihad will likely annihilate you rather swiftly, after the 10 turn limit.
I think it would be... how does that song go? Suicidal... Suicidal...
It would more or less force your opponent to play a non catholic faction though lest they wish to be excommed for the rest of their lives :grin:
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 23:35
I don't know. The HRE does pretty well even while excommunicated. They could easily storm south and hand the Pope his own head on a platter. All those castles... knights... peasant archers... spearmen... generals... whew... Easy KO of Milan and taking Venice...
But yes, any Muslim faction versus the papacy, and the Pope might as well pack up his little pointy hat and go back to Germany.
EF I'm ready to go whenever you are. I'd prefer using the LotR mod if possible. :grin:
Ignoramus I'll play either BC 1.5 or Vanilla 1.3 as I don't LTC. I would prefer BC because it is way better than Vanilla though.
I take it that it would be easier if the competitons were played by email rather than use the org uploader.
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 07:29
MUCH easier.
Using that uploader is a pain in the Rumpelstiltskin.
And its better because you dont have to clog up the server with unnecessary files or each other's PM box which is limited in size
Ignoramus, your inbox is full but I'll go Georgia. So we have:
BC 1.05
Abassid Caliphate (Ignoramus) vs Kingdom of Georgia (rossahh).
I'll set it up later tonight and pass the first save along.
EF I'm ready to go whenever you are. I'd prefer using the LotR mod if possible. :grin:
okay....but wont the hordes of almost free GBs make it a little easy?
Besides that's not on the official mod list :tongue3:
edit:and ATPG, if all goes well I'll play my Duel turn today, at last!!
Well it's either that or vanilla. Take your pick
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 10:37
and ATPG, if all goes well I'll play my Duel turn today, at last!!
Good, ever since our last conversation I've just been aching to go one-on-one with you. Last time you just kind of ditched me halfway through and you know how frustrated that makes me.
:clown:
We should really confine that to the LoTR threads, though...
Of course ATPG, I'll go one on one any time you want :wink:
Gonna have to drop out. Computer doesn't load anymore.
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2008, 05:53
I recommend EF become paired with FactionHeir now, since they are both available and unpartnered.
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2008, 09:54
Meh, dont worry, he could always take Sicily again and he will be a pushover. A pussycat. A soft, adorable plush toy. No army of assassins whatsoever. What are you worried about?
:laugh2:
FactionHeir
06-13-2008, 11:05
I don't mind either way, but I only play unmodded 1.3 or my own mod :yes:
Ibn-Khaldun
06-13-2008, 13:28
Seed Four
Ibn-Khaldun
Byblos
So where is Byblos??
Too scared to meet me?? :clown:
Does this mean that I win and go to the next round?? :clown::beam:
Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2008, 00:41
I've left the pairing arrangements up for a while, I would like everyone who is participating to contact their partner within the week.
Send a polite pm asking if they are ready. In a week's time, I will personally contact all the stragglers.
Good luck, and show no mercy.
Askthepizzaguy
06-16-2008, 00:36
Seed One
Monk
Ramses II CP
Seed Two
Elite Ferret
FactionHeir
Seed Three
rossahh
Ignoramus
Seed Four
Ibn-Khaldun
Byblos
Seed Five
00jebus
TriforceV
Seed Six
turcoman
AndyNgFL
Seed Seven
Askthepizzaguy
The Lemongate
Updated the tournament list. In a couple days I will send pm's prompting everyone to contact their partners and begin play.
This is a fairly informal tournament, so there's no rush.
Askthepizzaguy
06-21-2008, 05:22
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Lemon-1.zip
The Lemongate, our official tournament duel has begun. This is admin disabled, password enabled, BC 1.5 with hotfixes, Ayyubids versus Khwarezm as agreed.
To all:
Please post all tournament saves here, in this format. Also, please send passwords to TinCow, assuming he's still willing to umpire.
Should there be any disruptive or suspicious behavior, TinCow has permission to look at the saves. Sorry, we've had cheaters before. Not here, but elsewhere.
Play fair, and fight well!
EDIT: ALL PLAYERS HAVE BEEN PAIRED UP AND CONTACTED. Please acknowledge your participation in the duel or drop out now.
Ramses II CP
06-21-2008, 14:54
Okay Monk, I'm not particular about which mod or what-not, but I don't currently have LTC installed and I don't have Kingdoms. Vanilla, SS 4.1, and BC 1.05 with hotfixes are what I have installed. What I propose is whichever one of us picks the mod then has to pick their country first (Presuming picking second is an advantage, as it generally would be).
Does that sound reasonable? Which one do you want to do?
:egypt:
Hm. Well I haven't done a vanilla hotseat game, but i'll need to install that again as I don't have a fresh vanilla install. I'd rather steer clear of BC 1.05 for this go so I really don't mind the install. patch 1.3 i'm guessing, or is it 1.2 for non-kingdoms? Blegh, i have forgotten.
If we go vanilla then i'll take England, the classic.
Ramses II CP
06-22-2008, 20:55
Yeah, vanilla is fine with me. England eh? IIRC we weren't going to do too close together, like England/France? If not France, I'll have to go Muslim, in which case it has to be Egypt. :yes:
Since England is the first in the turn order I believe you'll have to create the initial save with the hotseat settings turned on. GL!
:egypt:
FactionHeir
06-22-2008, 20:59
Waiting for EF to accept and create the game still.
Only 7 starting seats, at the next round, some body is going to sit with out a game! May I vs the odd man in the next spot please? (To make it all interesting ofcourse, :smash:)
Waiting for EF to accept and create the game still.
I have accepted, no one told me I had to start the game...
Askthepizzaguy
06-23-2008, 01:06
it honestly doesnt matter who starts the game.
I could start all of your games for you and send you the save files. Just tell me what version, faction, etc.
Whomever goes first gets the first save is all. No biggie.
FactionHeir
06-23-2008, 01:15
I have accepted, no one told me I had to start the game...
Didn't any PM saying you are alright with my choice :grin:
Since you are England, you are player1, so I figure you should create :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
06-23-2008, 01:48
^Like I said, it doesnt matter who creates. My brother could create it... :grin:
So long as you've both agreed, and you have, whoever is online could easily create the game, and as soon as England's turn pops up, either play it or save the file and ship it off.
:bow:
:whip:
Well can someone point me at the hotseat code at least, I can't actually remember how to start one :sweatdrop:
If you can do it ATPG, we're being England and France on vanilla.
Ibn-Khaldun
06-24-2008, 11:50
I'm back from my vacation so I am ready to start this duel ...
I pm-d Byblos but no responses from him :no:
It begins. England vs Egypt for Monk vs Ramses II CP. If you wanted France more I'll remake the game, it's only turn 1! ~D
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MnkEgypt-1.rar
Ramses II CP
06-24-2008, 17:19
I altered the naming convention to try to make it unique 'HDMvR' for Hotseat Duel Monk vs Ramses II then the first three letters of the nation and the turn number. It probably doesn't matter, but since files can't overwrite in the uploader the more specific the better so as not to interfere with future duels, etc. Egypt is off!
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/HDMvREng2.zip
Do you want me to send a pm every round? I figure we're both probably checking in about as often as we'd get pms anyway. :laugh4:
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2008, 19:03
ATPG versus Lemongate, Turn 2
Ayyubids versus Khwarezm
Jerusalem was annihilated, and two more settlements are under seige.
All other information is classified. Org uploader has been hijacked by someone, so I cant post the save here. Sent to Lemongate via email.
Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 05:44
Byblos, Turcoman, and TriforceV have all not read my reminder email about the tournament. In my opinion, they are inactive.
Those who were their partners should seek new partners. Not much progress on the tournament has been posted. Who has been waiting a while for their partner to move/respond?
Has anyone actually started yet...
Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 14:57
some have, but I dont think anyone else is as active as I have been in their duels. Perhaps people have lost interest.
Ramses II CP
07-03-2008, 15:30
I believe Monk has withdrawn due to time commitments.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 16:44
Everything has fallen apart... sigh.
Seems I'm the only one so without a personal life that I can devote myself entirely to the org.
Just make me an assistant moderator and be done with it. :laugh2:
Ibn-Khaldun
07-03-2008, 17:21
I am still here and I was ready to start .. but my opponent :no:
He is still missing i guess ..
Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 18:14
those who still want to participate will be paired together and we can do double elimination or something.
Ibn-Khaldun
07-03-2008, 18:21
How many players are still in this tournament?? :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 18:22
I'm not sure. I'd like to take roll call.
Everyone who is still in this thing, please say aye.
FactionHeir
07-03-2008, 18:29
:gah2:
Ibn-Khaldun
07-03-2008, 19:09
Aye
Ramses II CP
07-03-2008, 20:57
Aye.
:egypt:
I guess I'll play too, if you're accepting new players in the tourney. Can't say if I'll last the first round..
Ibn-Khaldun
07-05-2008, 23:56
I guess I'll play too, if you're accepting new players in the tourney. Can't say if I'll last the first round..
New faces are always welcomed :2thumbsup:
Perhaps a small "Duel to the Death" before the Tournament?:clown:
Askthepizzaguy
07-06-2008, 00:27
Whoever is still willing to duel, definitley continue duelling and find a partner.
If you need help starting a game, contact me. (read this whole thread first)
And if you're partnerless and still want to battle, for God's sakes.... CHALLENGE ME!!!
New faces are always welcomed :2thumbsup:
Perhaps a small "Duel to the Death" before the Tournament?:clown:
Maybe, after I finish my duel with Merlox. Has this tourney already started or not?
Askthepizzaguy
07-06-2008, 00:52
It started, but most of you ABANDONED me...
:laugh2:
I don't even know how to start a hotseat game anymore...
turcoman
07-19-2008, 10:13
I wanna join as turks.I am aslanamca in twcenter.Thanks barcamartin as he made me familiar about this hotseat.:)
I have questions
1-Will we autoresolve battles?
2-Shall i modify bc.cfg file?
3-When will we start?
turcoman
07-19-2008, 10:55
I wanna join as turks.I am aslanamca in twcenter.Thanks barcamartin as he made me familiar about this hotseat.:)
I have questions
1-Will we autoresolve battles?
2-Shall i modify bc.cfg file?
3-When will we start?
sorry i sent this message accidentally due to a problem in my internet explorer.
Sorry i was completely forget this tournament after i applied.SO what happened to the tournament?
Askthepizzaguy
07-20-2008, 01:00
lack of interest I think.
Just remember, ANYONE who wants to die may challenge me.
Well, After 4 rounds, ATPG wins!
Askthepizzaguy
07-20-2008, 01:09
Did you want to finish our duel, Merlox, leader of the Ayyubid infidels, or surrender to the mighty hordes of Sindh?
-Caliph Umer the Cunning of the Sindh Caliphate
Well, I wish to Re do that duel same sides, same stuffs, And i promise i wont rush you with a navy at turn 5.
Askthepizzaguy
07-21-2008, 01:00
And I promise I won't rush you with an even larger navy as a response.
:medievalcheers:
You never killed my larger navy, you juts killed the boats taht carried my general... XD
You have never ran into my battle navy.. XD
You built a navy at turn 18. or something, i coulda rushed you before you could even build any units. XD
Askthepizzaguy
07-21-2008, 01:47
I spied on your larger navy, though, and the reinforcements you sent. My two full stacks of ships could have destroyed them, had they not sailed away in abject terror!
My combing of the indian ocean was complete. I had you boxed back into the red sea.
As for killing Sindh right off the bat, yes, you could have tried. But not very sporting, is it?
LOL
Oh please, =p 4 boats = a full stack for me XD
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